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grizzly02
12-20-2008, 12:52 AM
Front stage CDT ES-07 w/US-200 DRT 25/26 upstage (changed from th M6 mid)
Rear Stage ES-06 w/memphis mclass silk domes (changed form HD6)

Both stages run off JL 300/2

HypnoticCure
12-20-2008, 12:54 AM
is this a question or statement ?

WillyG4444
12-20-2008, 12:54 AM
um k cool? Maybe say how they sound, or pics or something so there's some substance to this thread :D

grizzly02
12-20-2008, 01:04 AM
Sorry guys will post install pics and everything very soon, car got rear ended today, **** Jersey Snow and sleet! I was asking for some time on how to upgrade, so went this route stuck with cdt

WillyG4444
12-21-2008, 11:55 AM
Sorry guys will post install pics and everything very soon, car got rear ended today, **** Jersey Snow and sleet! I was asking for some time on how to upgrade, so went this route stuck with cdt

Nice upgrade! Where in Jersey? I'd love to hear that setup if you're close

grizzly02
12-21-2008, 08:45 PM
I am in Central Jersey Edison area (sayreville) I should have everything in a few weeks.

grizzly02
01-01-2009, 10:39 PM
Well did it, the ES07's sound amazing the extended midbass and midrage make my front stage sound amazing now, well refined, no harsness etc, in combination with the rear HD6 and the Boston G12 the sound is increadable, my wife even commented

okiedokie
01-01-2009, 11:06 PM
do have any pics?

James Bang
01-02-2009, 10:43 AM
Front stage CDT ES-07 w/US-200 DRT 25/26 upstage (changed from th M6 mid)
Rear Stage ES-06 w/memphis mclass silk domes (changed form HD6)

Both stages run off JL 300/2

WTF

I'm glad you're happy, but i bet it sounds like ****.

:)

Louisiana_CRX
01-02-2009, 10:47 AM
save your money on rear stage....unless you want your system to sound like total crap :crap:

James Bang
01-02-2009, 10:51 AM
save your money on rear stage....unless you want your system to sound like total crap :crap:

too late.

Louisiana_CRX
01-02-2009, 10:54 AM
so hes gonna put a single 300/2 on both sets of speakers ...so no control over either?

okiedokie
01-02-2009, 03:51 PM
are you saying that you have two different amps running the front from the rears?
or just one amp running both sets?
it might sound better if you just focus on your front stage, of of your two channel amp.

grizzly02
01-04-2009, 12:41 AM
I have 2-JL 300/2's one on the front stage and one on the rear, I have a JL-500/1 running the G5GTR 12 combo and an Xtant 100/1 running the center channel.

I love you guys on here, it "sounds like ****"! The all knowing if you have a rear stage it sounds like ****!

Alpine D106/H701 combo as source. I like the rear fill, not just a front stage, but I know only the "front-Stage" only guys know all "s__t Heads.

What is important to me is tat is a complete upgrade and i a happy.

gunz4me
01-04-2009, 12:52 AM
I guess when grizzly02 goes to concerts, he turns his back to the stage?

pjhabit
01-04-2009, 04:46 AM
How do the ES-07 compare to the ES-06? Details please?

Dak446
01-04-2009, 04:58 AM
:handclap:
I guess when grizzly02 goes to concerts, he turns his back to the stage?

grizzly02
01-04-2009, 09:17 AM
I said i like rear fill, Duh just my liking. I am running 5.1 for my video, i guess that would be a little difficult without rear fill huh (Oh do you front stage guys know what Dolby 5.1 with rear fill sounds like? or rear mix?) I guess you guys at home only run front stage and no center? My rear fill is set so low, it is basically that just a rear fill for the rear passengers.

To be constructive which the other comments are not, the ES-07 sound more refined the the ES-06 and more extended. There does not seem to be any holes anywhere, it can handle more midbass as well.

gunz4me
01-04-2009, 01:36 PM
You are starting to sound like Jon Lovitz on Saturday night live.

First it was one 300/2, then it became two. Next you go from needing rear fill for music to needing it for 5.1 Dolby. All I got to say is WOW....

Also, video while in motion is HIGHLY illegal here. The cops will nail you to the cross if they catch you running video and it is visible to the driver!

jerseyboy
01-04-2009, 02:06 PM
here in NJ cops dont mess with you too much for tv's on..even if its the HU..they have better things to do (murders scenes and other things)...rear fill is good or bad for different people..it all the depends on the person's preference..

Insupasmomsom01
01-04-2009, 02:10 PM
more sound in the back is the best, as long as it's loud who cares right?

eharri3
01-04-2009, 05:09 PM
It's a psychological thing I guess. Some people just don't feel like it's a system unless everything is upgraded big time and everything is amplified. As always, sound is subjective. Ive always had rear fill and still do. Before I used to actually care about what was back there and I wasted amplifier power on it. Now run 80 dollar Infinity Ref. Coaxes back there. They get head unit power and the fader is 5 to the front. If I bring them any further into the mix than that my soundstage wavers. I only need enough to get that fake 'reverb' effect to give me a sense of space, no more.

My general rules for rear fill from here on in are, whatever it is, it shouldn't cost more than 100 bucks, there will be no amplifier power wasted on it that could be better used for the front stage, and if I can tell where its coming from from the driver's seat it still needs to be attenuated.

What I don't get is all the people who buy a 50 watt/channel 4 channel, use the front two channels for comps that can take 120, the rears for rear fill.

grizzly02
01-04-2009, 07:20 PM
Thanks, constructive people. I agree with the rear fill theory, possibly i have never had an audiophile front stage or correct front stage however I have always liked rear fill to an extent, maybe my understanding is off to, never proclaimed to be the all knowing staging guy! Just like my music clear and clean, so for everyone that is having a problem understanding what I am now running:

Alpine D106R
Alpine C701/CUX 5.1 EQ/parametric DSP
Alpine Sirius Tuner
Alpine CHA-635
Alpine PBD-100 (new software awesome) Alpine DOK-1
Alpine KCE-900 Navi Mix add-on
JL 300/2 front stage CDT ES-07 DRT 25/26 upstage US-200 passive X-over
JL 300/2 rear stage CDT ES-06 Memphis M-class silk domes (old front stage) memphis passive x-over
Xtant 100/1 Alpine SBC-center channel
JL 500/1 Boston G5 12" / GTR 12" passive radiator 1 CuFT

okiedokie
01-04-2009, 10:03 PM
sounds like you have a really nice set up.
I have a friend that has surround sound in his jeep,wow.watching & listen to a movie in your car is nice.
I wish i had bought me a dvd player for my car, I think the processor in the dvd player sounds so much better than most cd players on the market

eharri3
01-05-2009, 06:16 AM
Thanks, constructive people. I agree with the rear fill theory, possibly i have never had an audiophile front stage or correct front stage however I have always liked rear fill to an extent, maybe my understanding is off to, never proclaimed to be the all knowing staging guy!



It ain't hard. The best, highest power-handling 2 or 3 way passive or active front components you can get being fed as much power as they can safeley take and you can afford, positioned as best as you can within the constraints of your car. OTOH I have read of people creating 'rear front stages' but this was in a customized crew cab Kentworth with a humongous interior and as much time into positioning and aiming the rear components as there was in the fronts.

As for the TVs in motion thing: All good if it's for the kiddies in back watching movies. However I nearly got into a road rage incident the other night being stuck behind a guy who was too busy watching TV to do things like go when his turn came at the stop sign or drive at more than 15 mph. I could actually see his head turning to glance at the in-dash DVD.

James Bang
01-05-2009, 11:02 AM
what a waste of the h701

grizzly02
01-05-2009, 06:37 PM
James, I have asked you and sent PM's to you on how to make my H701 work. I have an extra JL 300/4, actually i could get another for cheap.

Soooo, do I use the JL 300/4 for the front mids and the fron tweats and the second JL 300/4 for the rear mids and the rear tweats all active or, jL 300/2 for the front mids and my extra JL 2150 for the fron tweets-active and run the rear stage off the second JL 300/2 non-active?

James Bang
01-05-2009, 06:48 PM
James, I have asked you and sent PM's to you on how to make my H701 work. I have an extra JL 300/4, actually i could get another for cheap.

Soooo, do I use the JL 300/4 for the front mids and the fron tweats and the second JL 300/4 for the rear mids and the rear tweats all active or, jL 300/2 for the front mids and my extra JL 2150 for the fron tweets-active and run the rear stage off the second JL 300/2 non-active?

you really ought to do a lot of reading on what the h701 can and cannot do. I don't plan to spoon feed anybody on how to use that processor.

grizzly02
01-05-2009, 10:03 PM
wow ur a wealth of information and very helpul too bot, thanks. If you do not paln on helping people maybe you should reframe from your comments,

James Bang
01-05-2009, 11:19 PM
LOL, you're one of those fucks that talk **** after being denied. That just makes me glad I did not helping your ***.

Good luck trying to make me refrain from my comments.

James Bang
01-05-2009, 11:31 PM
:wave:

grizzly02
01-06-2009, 01:23 PM
Wow an internet tuff guy!!!

James Bang
01-06-2009, 02:03 PM
It doesn't seem like I was trying to be tuff, but oh well. An internet tuff guy sure beats an internet *******.

gunz4me
01-06-2009, 02:18 PM
I still think grizzly02 is a pathological liar....

Vestax
01-06-2009, 02:20 PM
I still think grizzly02 is a pathological liar....

I think it was my travel and tourism teacher in high school said that you're not suppose to believe everything you read on the internet.

This is further proof.

gunz4me
01-06-2009, 02:23 PM
I think it was my travel and tourism teacher in high school said that you're not suppose to believe everything you read on the internet.

This is further proof.

Well, before the internet, it was believe NOTHING you hear and only half of what you see!

James Bang
01-06-2009, 02:41 PM
I still think grizzly02 is a pathological liar....

upstage kit AND an alpine center channel unit. this guy is serious about his sound. no lie.

Vestax
01-06-2009, 02:45 PM
upstage kit AND an alpine center channel unit. this guy is serious about his sound. no lie.

James have you seen the list of equipment?


Alpine D106R
Alpine C701/CUX 5.1 EQ/parametric DSP
Alpine Sirius Tuner
Alpine CHA-635
Alpine PBD-100 (new software awesome) Alpine DOK-1
Alpine KCE-900 Navi Mix add-on
JL 300/2 front stage CDT ES-07 DRT 25/26 upstage US-200 passive X-over
JL 300/2 rear stage CDT ES-06 Memphis M-class silk domes (old front stage) memphis passive x-over
Xtant 100/1 Alpine SBC-center channel
JL 500/1 Boston G5 12" / GTR 12" passive radiator 1 CuFT

It must be pretty amazing with running just the Alpine Controller. And wtf is a CUX?

James Bang
01-06-2009, 02:48 PM
CUX to be him

donpisto
01-06-2009, 03:14 PM
more sound in the back is the best, as long as it's loud who cares right?

I have noticed that you are one of the following.

A. Completey stupid and have no idea what you're talking about.
B. A troll
C. All of the above.

Take your pick

James Bang
01-06-2009, 03:23 PM
I have noticed that you are one of the following.

A. Completey stupid and have no idea what you're talking about.
B. A troll
C. All of the above.

Take your pick

http://www.wallpaper4me.com/images/wallpapers/darkknight-7-780525.jpeg

donpisto
01-06-2009, 03:29 PM
http://www.wallpaper4me.com/images/wallpapers/darkknight-7-780525.jpeg

I'll take whats behind door #1

FoxPro5
01-06-2009, 03:48 PM
How do the ES-07 compare to the ES-06? Details please?

01 better.

Nothing wrong with having a rear stage as long as you turn it off when you listen to your front stage.

okiedokie
01-06-2009, 04:07 PM
this forum is getting crazy,

grizzly02
01-06-2009, 05:32 PM
I did not know that a rear stage would spark soo much attention. I guess people have nothing better to do. I was meerly commenting on my upgrade and how i thought it sounded and then everyone else went off the deep end. I have the sound I want and happy with it, i guess that just makes everyone else upset!

The CUX meant RUX is the H701 controller as seen in the picture below the D106
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8cc20b3127ccec5971b49283400000040O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
The amps, there are two more under the 2JL's
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8cc20b3127ccec5979382a98b00000040O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
the xtant 100/1
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8cc20b3127ccec597f753285800000040O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
the xovers under the drivers seat
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7ce06b3127ccec222ba5740f000000010O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

okiedokie
01-06-2009, 06:36 PM
i guess most of these guys have never been to a movie or don;t have surround sound in there house!
If your'e just listen to music i would better to turn you rears off, but if your'e hanging out with some friends watching a movie from your car PARKED, then by all means have your rears on.
You have the best of both world, maybe some of these guys are jealous.
It's your car do what you like.
I see that you have a cap?
did you do the big three yet?
are those passive xover under your seat for your rear speakers?
do you have pics of your speaker installs?
If you need any help setting up or useing your h701, the guys over at diyma would gladdly help you.
this forum i think is more for newer guys that need help starting out.
good luck

grizzly02
01-06-2009, 06:57 PM
Thanks Oikiedokie, do you have a link to the DYima (Thing/site)? I just installed the ES-07's and forgot to take pics, but I will post pics of there the twets are and the door panels, thanks for your help man.

okiedokie
01-06-2009, 07:05 PM
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/
over @ diyma you can display your pics in there gallery which is more based on sound quality & placement ,etc......

grizzly02
01-06-2009, 07:06 PM
Rear doors ES-06 w/memphis mclass silk domes
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7ce06b3127ccec222992b813500000010O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
Front doors ES-07, DRT/25 kicks, DRT 26 upstage a-pillar low facing windshield
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7ce06b3127ccec222e3f881db00000010O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7ce06b3127ccec222f30d001600000010O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
CH634 in glove box
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7ce06b3127ccec223f3c6a1a100000010O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
PMB-100 new download map, DOK-1
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9df27b3127ccec65801fae46900000040O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

okiedokie
01-06-2009, 07:12 PM
I will tell you most people on diyma use processors, so you may get a little negative fed back about running passives which is still all good, by some.
but it all comes down to useing what you have & making it sound the best you can.
diyma ugys are very helpful. good luck
remember caraudio.com is more for the SPL bass heads which i at times need my bass fix as well.

grizzly02
01-06-2009, 07:19 PM
Thank you for the info.

okiedokie
01-06-2009, 07:22 PM
nice pics, If i where you i would place my rear speakers in my rear deck for rear channel imaging, so that when your'e watching movies you will have a better stage height.
I think you would change the angle on your tweeters.
it looks like your tweeters are aiming @ your winshield?
you might want to play with them more on axis or off axis at you.

okiedokie
01-06-2009, 07:26 PM
do you have a pic of your center channel?
have you tried to use just one set of tweeters up front?
i use to the upstage kit from cdt but i found i just like the tweeters in my pillars.
you have a lot processing at you finger tips to play, have you thought about going active?

budahbuddy803
01-06-2009, 07:26 PM
I guess when grizzly02 goes to concerts, he turns his back to the stage?

i am sorry, but does a concert really have good SQ? I understand the whole imaging thing a little bit, but IMO when i went to see DMB the SQ was awful no matter which way you were standing.

When i listen to music anywhere except for my car, i listen to it all different sorts of ways. Right, left, up, down all four of them.

I think it can easily still sound good and IMO have nice SQ, just terrible imaging.

James Bang
01-06-2009, 07:30 PM
i guess most of these guys have never been to a movie or don;t have surround sound in there house!
If your'e just listen to music i would better to turn you rears off, but if your'e hanging out with some friends watching a movie from your car PARKED, then by all means have your rears on.
You have the best of both world, maybe some of these guys are jealous.
It's your car do what you like.
I see that you have a cap?
did you do the big three yet?
are those passive xover under your seat for your rear speakers?
do you have pics of your speaker installs?
If you need any help setting up or useing your h701, the guys over at diyma would gladdly help you.
this forum i think is more for newer guys that need help starting out.
good luck
Stop referring people over to diyma, please.

Jealousy my just be the problem here.
Passive fronts (w/ H701),
rear fill
upstage kit & center channel at the same time...
mixed match speakers/xover all around...
Plenty to be jealous of.



Thanks Oikiedokie, do you have a link to the DYima (Thing/site)? I just installed the ES-07's and forgot to take pics, but I will post pics of there the twets are and the door panels, thanks for your help man.

diyma isn't the place for you. half of the people ragging on you hear is from there. it's kind of more of a place for people for people who already knows their ****.


I'll be nice and give some suggestions, which you probably won't take, but i don't give a ****, i'm bored.

lose the upstage kit, get some real tweets.
run the fronts actively of a 300/4
you can keep the rears passive, but i'd suggest using the same speakers as you have in the front... so they can voice the same.

mcsoul
01-06-2009, 07:34 PM
Why are you now selling all this ish in the classifieds section?

okiedokie
01-06-2009, 07:46 PM
i agree with you james bang, but it's his gear & he may have to learn the hard like the most of us have.
It seems like some people on hear can be *** when tring to help someone out.
diyma is a great place to learn from some of those older kats.
some people really want to learn.
to me both sites great,

James Bang
01-06-2009, 07:55 PM
i agree with you james bang, but it's his gear & he may have to learn the hard like the most of us have.
It seems like some people on hear can be *** when tring to help someone out.
diyma is a great place to learn from some of those older kats.
some people really want to learn.
to me both sites great,

yes, and some people act like an *** when others don't want to spoon feed them.
and yes diyma is a great place to learn... from reading and not by posting stupid questions before searching.

I guess this place can be good for that too, if you know how to sort through all the BS and horrible suggestions.

Bigrick31
01-06-2009, 08:08 PM
I did not know that a rear stage would spark soo much attention. I guess people have nothing better to do. I was meerly commenting on my upgrade and how i thought it sounded and then everyone else went off the deep end. I have the sound I want and happy with it, i guess that just makes everyone else upset!

The CUX meant RUX is the H701 controller as seen in the picture below the D106
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8cc20b3127ccec5971b49283400000040O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
The amps, there are two more under the 2JL's
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8cc20b3127ccec5979382a98b00000040O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
the xtant 100/1
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8cc20b3127ccec597f753285800000040O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
the xovers under the drivers seat
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7ce06b3127ccec222ba5740f000000010O00CZMWTFoxcMQ e3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

I see messy wires:crap:

grizzly02
01-06-2009, 10:55 PM
Alright james now we are getting somewhere, i do agree that some questions may seem stupid to you when you know your craft!!! I am going to take your advice and see what I can do to go active with the H701, however I have much reading and decifering to do prior to making any changes at this point.

Question(s):

So you are saying if I am going to use the CDT ES-07 upfront, use the same exact in the rear correct? Can i use tht 300/2 for the mids (front) and my JL A2150 for the tweets? (front stage)

Also what tweets do you recomend for this type setup and at what location?

I know you are going to flame me for this one,but what would the starting x-over points be on the H701 for the front stage, mids and tweets?

FYI, the wires have been cleaned up. That were the spare tire used to be.

The stuff for sale is the D106 just got the W505, and the M6's used to be in the front stage.

Thanks all.

jluv
01-07-2009, 10:22 AM
Ha! I love it when people call bullsh*t on somebody's setup and then that person posts pics for proof. Reminds me of thse people who think everything's a photoshop.

What kind of vehicle is it? Rear speakers are not automatically a bad idea for every vehicle.

In some applications, it's a bad idea. Somebody got ahold of that theory one day and now a lot of close-minded sheeple just regurgitate it over and over without any consideration to different situations and obviously without hearing the difference in every vehicle and setup.

In the end, to each his/her own. In car audio, there are way too many variables to apply one idea to every situation.

grizzly02
01-07-2009, 12:36 PM
Mazda3 hatchback, thanks. I am not hating James, he is going by what he knows and has experienced. I was a little upset at first because I was just like what the hell, i was just stating how i heard the improvement, but just as you said to each his own.

I was going to post install pics of the ES-07 just got so excited to get them in I forgot!! Anyway I think it sounds very well detailed and not harsh at all, I am going to try an activ setup though as James had sugested, I can imagine it sounding so much better!


Thanks for the kind words though!

Vestax
01-07-2009, 02:08 PM
Ha! I love it when people call bullsh*t on somebody's setup and then that person posts pics for proof. Reminds me of thse people who think everything's a photoshop.

What kind of vehicle is it? Rear speakers are not automatically a bad idea for every vehicle.

In some applications, it's a bad idea. Somebody got ahold of that theory one day and now a lot of close-minded sheeple just regurgitate it over and over without any consideration to different situations and obviously without hearing the difference in every vehicle and setup.

In the end, to each his/her own. In car audio, there are way too many variables to apply one idea to every situation.


You can't blame people for being skeptical of someone who owns high end equipment and don't know how to use it, yet alone describe it. Never give a teenage kid a Ferrari I say.

gunz4me
01-07-2009, 02:13 PM
You can't blame people for being skeptical of someone who owns high end equipment and don't know how to use it, yet alone describe it. Never give a teenage kid a Ferrari I say.

Or better yet, owning all this high end gear and still running passive crossovers:wow:

jluv
01-07-2009, 02:35 PM
You can't blame people for being skeptical of someone who owns high end equipment and don't know how to use it, yet alone describe it.


Eh, I disagree. There are plenty of inexperienced car audio guys that still have the means to obtain quality stuff. As I was reading the guy's posts, I was thinking he just needed guidance, which he was very open and honest about and clearly asking for. I didn't assume he made a thread to lie about his setup. But whatever. My point is that even if you doubt what someone says, if you actually call them out on it, it's pretty humorous when they back up what they've said.

It's equally amusing (and at the same time almost concerning) that people will be so quick to criticize someone and flame the crap out of them and dogpile them as a group when all they are doing is asking for advice, and then to find out half of the people being a$$holes may not be qualified to be giving advice in the first place. Pack mentality is in full effect on the internet. Good stuff! Carry on!

Vestax
01-07-2009, 02:51 PM
Eh, I disagree. There are plenty of inexperienced car audio guys that still have the means to obtain quality stuff. As I was reading the guy's posts, I was thinking he just needed guidance, which he was very open and honest about and clearly asking for. I didn't assume he made a thread to lie about his setup. But whatever. My point is that even if you doubt what someone says, if you actually call them out on it, it's pretty humorous when they back up what they've said.

It's equally amusing (and at the same time almost concerning) that people will be so quick to criticize someone and flame the crap out of them and dogpile them as a group when all they are doing is asking for advice, and then to find out half of the people being a$$holes may not be qualified to be giving advice in the first place. Pack mentality is in full effect on the internet. Good stuff! Carry on!


Well, this was an ongoing adventure as it did not start with just this thread. Many people here have given the OP advice outside of this thread, and many of the good points listed, were simply ignored.

I'm all about guidance, suggestions, and advice, only when it comes to willingness to learn and grasp concepts given to them. So speak for yourself chief, don't be so quick to criticize the flaming party.

jluv
01-07-2009, 02:56 PM
Well, this was an ongoing adventure as it did not start with just this thread. Many people here have given the OP advice outside of this thread, and many of the good points listed, were simply ignored.

I'm all about guidance, suggestions, and advice, only when it comes to willingness to learn and grasp concepts given to them. So speak for yourself chief, don't be so quick to criticize the flaming party.

Chief? lol

Okay, buckeroo!

Vestax
01-07-2009, 02:56 PM
Chief? lol

Okay, buckeroo!

Sure thing Peggy Sue!

okiedokie
01-07-2009, 03:03 PM
Isn't it nice when we all get along!!!!

pjhabit
01-07-2009, 03:19 PM
Or better yet, owning all this high end gear and still running passive crossovers:wow:
I can agree there are some poor passive x-overs. & I'm sure you can see an obvious improvement going active over these designs. But how can you generalise all passives? Alot of time & effort goes into finding the right x-over point to achieve a smooth transition & flat response. If its of high quality design/parts, I don't see an advantage in going active.

grizzly02
01-07-2009, 06:10 PM
Guys guys, I am by no means an audiophile and wanted to keep things as simple as possible using (i guess) as stated "high-end" equipment. I never considered the D106 or H701 "high-end" for that matter. The F1 status equipment to me is "high-end" My old Mcintosh Amps I condsidered "high-end". I wanted to keep it simple in my new car!

DVD HU w/IPOD/SAT Ready / DSP w/5.1 and nice colorful readout / Simple navigation intergration, CD-Changer, Comps (CDT fit the bill) with x-overs (simple wiring), amps JL seem to be a decent choice (I thought). The Boston G5/GTR fit the bill becuase of space. Guys that was how i made my decision, sorry to let everyone down. I Like the Alpine stuff because of the Ai-Net daisy chain capabilities. There were no hey man need to go active or need the right front stage, I though 2-sets of comps should sound nice and a decent SQ sub!

James Bang
01-07-2009, 06:15 PM
keepin' it simple w/ 5.1 in the car. :)

grizzly02
01-07-2009, 06:18 PM
Well Ok James, I have a 7-year old daughter so i thoguht the DVD plus the Headrest montiros would be cool and the stuff that was offered made it easy Ie: the alpine single Din center channel, the 5.1 DSP made it easy to control and save settings, so yes I guess the Alpine stuff did make it easy to do. Hell my wife cut in the head rest monitors!

grizzly02
01-07-2009, 06:19 PM
James you willl be happy i have been doing some reading and will soon have a propsed sytem change that I am going to need some help with, so hopefully i can find that here.

James Bang
01-07-2009, 06:37 PM
You didn't need that center channel speaker. the h701 can make a phantom center channel... I don't think your 7 yr old even cares for that center channel you have :)

James Bang
01-07-2009, 07:10 PM
another thing, w/ the w505, you can get an adapter (shown here: http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/member-product-reviews/35852-alpine-iva-w505.html) and run your signal via optical cable, and control your h701 via w505. then you can sell your c701.

grizzly02
01-07-2009, 07:40 PM
The D106 will do that, but there are options on the RUX that can not be doen through the D106, for instance when i go to Processor, i can then go through all the menus, be frank, i like the dancing display.

grizzly02
01-07-2009, 07:43 PM
point well made, i have used the phantom before without a center. Thanks

James Bang
01-07-2009, 07:43 PM
The D106 will do that, but there are options on the RUX that can not be doen through the D106, for instance when i go to Processor, i can then go through all the menus, be frank, i like the dancing display.

and i like boobs. to each their own i guess.

jluv
01-08-2009, 09:17 AM
another thing, w/ the w505, you can get an adapter (shown here: http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/member-product-reviews/35852-alpine-iva-w505.html) and run your signal via optical cable, and control your h701 via w505. then you can sell your c701.

Or you can just get the Alpine cable that's made for this.

donpisto
01-08-2009, 10:47 AM
Or you can just get the Alpine cable that's made for this.

And spend a ridiculous 80 plus dollars right? But I guess it's ok to charge a customer a hefty load more than what it actually costs to make the cable just because it may be unique and come with a different name or have a different type of end to it. Take for example the Zapco Symbilinks as well. An 18 ft. Symbilink cable will cost you around 60 - 80 IIRC. However, you can get a standard PS/2 (keyborad or mouse) male to male cable that is 25 ft long for about $6. I guess it's fair to do that right?

jluv
01-08-2009, 11:14 AM
And spend a ridiculous 80 plus dollars right? But I guess it's ok to charge a customer a hefty load more than what it actually costs to make the cable just because it may be unique and come with a different name or have a different type of end to it. Take for example the Zapco Symbilinks as well. An 18 ft. Symbilink cable will cost you around 60 - 80 IIRC. However, you can get a standard PS/2 (keyborad or mouse) male to male cable that is 25 ft long for about $6. I guess it's fair to do that right?

Heck no it's not fair. You're preaching to the choir. It ***** that Alpine pulled that move. The W200 and W205 use a standard optical cable, and then they go and change it up on the 505. I think I paid around $50 for the Alpine cable from the local shop, though.

Looking closer at that link, I believe that Panasonic version is the exact same cable anyway. I was thrown off originally when he posted that it was an adapter (which suggests that you'd still need an optical cable in addition). There's really no adapter, as the odd connector is part of the cable itself.

All of this is a moot point considering the guys has a head unit he likes and the separate controller already in his dash.

James Bang
01-08-2009, 02:19 PM
Or you can just get the Alpine cable that's made for this.

do you have a link for this said cable?

jluv
01-08-2009, 04:28 PM
do you have a link for this said cable?

Link? No. I have the part number for you though.

KWE-610A

Judging by the picture of that Panasonic cable, they are identical.

Holy crap! Crutchfield and Sonic Electronix have it for $129. That's crazy.

I'd have to dig out my receipt to see exactly what I paid for it, but it definitely wasn't $129, or even $100. I waited forever for it instead of just buying the Panny cable. Now I know better.