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Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 12:52 AM
I listened to 5 x 7's , 6's, and 6.5's and the 5 x 7's deifinitely kicked out more bass. So why do so many of you say they don't ??

timaishu
11-29-2008, 04:30 PM
Who says they dont?

I think it depends on how the speaker is made really.

My 6x8s sound decent.

JimJ
11-29-2008, 04:46 PM
I listened to 5 x 7's , 6's, and 6.5's and the 5 x 7's deifinitely kicked out more bass. So why do so many of you say they don't ??

And I assume these were in proper installations, with deadened doors, MDF rings, modelling clay, all holes sealed, proper amplifier power, etc?

The problem is, there are so much more choices available for quality speakers in "round" sizes that it's really not worth dealing with ovals unless price is the #1 concern.

bdawson72
11-29-2008, 04:49 PM
****. my 4x6's kicked the **** out of my componets in the midbass dept and that with the 4x6's running of HU power.


Needless to say I was a bit sad.

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 05:43 PM
And I assume these were in proper installations, with deadened doors, MDF rings, modelling clay, all holes sealed, proper amplifier power, etc?

The problem is, there are so much more choices available for quality speakers in "round" sizes that it's really not worth dealing with ovals unless price is the #1 concern.


I've got an 05 ford taurus and 5 x 7 is all you can fit in the doors with out major surgery. I could go 5.25 with a bracket but I didn't want to sacrifice the loss off bass, although sq would be better.

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 05:48 PM
I've got an 05 ford taurus and 5 x 7 is all you can fit in the doors with out major surgery. I could go 5.25 with a bracket but I didn't want to sacrifice the loss off bass, although sq would be better.

If you want bass, get a sub, not a 5x7.

01 S 10
11-29-2008, 05:50 PM
If you want bass, get a sub, not a 5x7.

x2

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 05:55 PM
If you want bass, get a sub, not a 5x7.

point well made, thanx.

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 05:57 PM
point well made, thanx.

I think you could easily fit a 6.5 in your door if you just use a drimmel or a jigsaw to cut some of the metal out of the skinny section of the speaker hole. I have stock 6x9's and all I needed was a little MDF spacer, so I'm sure you could do it if you don't mind a little cutting...

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 06:12 PM
I think you could easily fit a 6.5 in your door if you just use a drimmel or a jigsaw to cut some of the metal out of the skinny section of the speaker hole. I have stock 6x9's and all I needed was a little MDF spacer, so I'm sure you could do it if you don't mind a little cutting...

what do you do about filling in the edges? I'm sure there would be a gap at the horizontal edges

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 06:13 PM
what do you do about filling in the edges? I'm sure there would be a gap at the horizontal edges

Just make a MDF spacer that'll fit nicely all the way around.

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 06:15 PM
Just make a MDF spacer that'll fit nicely all the way around.

guess I ought to pull my door panel off and see what can be done. I've got a high power dremel and a jig saw so this could be fun

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 06:16 PM
guess I ought to pull my door panel off and see what can be done. I've got a high power dremel and a jig saw so this could be fun

You'll be surprised how easy it is.

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 06:20 PM
so which brand to buy???????hhmmmmmmm.

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 06:20 PM
so which brand to buy???????hhmmmmmmm.

Are you just going for a set of components, coaxials, or are you running active?

Worlddre
11-29-2008, 06:23 PM
6.5s can fit easly with no modification to the door :fyi:

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 06:24 PM
Are you just going for a set of components, coaxials, or are you running active?

can't afford more than $150 a pair and want to stay coaxial, and I want to hear jl audio's before I buy anything just to satisfy my curiosity. Infinity reference sounded decent, boston was okay too but I need to hear em first

joshualittle
11-29-2008, 06:24 PM
Get the image dynamics I recommended in ur other thread. My friend can do them for $85 shipped. Woofersetc.com wants $129.

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 06:24 PM
6.5s can fit easly with no modification to the door :fyi:

I had to use a 3/4" spacer where my 6x9's used to go...I assume it'd be harder with stock 5x7's.

joshualittle
11-29-2008, 06:25 PM
I meant to say plus shipping, not shipped.

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 06:27 PM
Get the image dynamics I recommended in ur other thread. My friend can do them for $85 shipped. Woofersetc.com wants $129.

I'm a little apprehensive about buying stuff I can't hear first especially after people said kappas were the best and I ended up not liking them and liked the ref's better.

Worlddre
11-29-2008, 06:28 PM
the space size depends on the depth but a simple properly mdf baffle will cover the hole and have space for the mounting diameter of the average 6.5" woofer...ive done it plenty of times

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 06:32 PM
the space size depends on the depth but a simple properly mdf baffle will cover the hole and have space for the mounting diameter of the average 6.5" woofer...ive done it plenty of times

I didn't have any issues with the depth, but the hole just wasn't big enough for my RS180's. But you're right, a MDF space by itself may work...it really depends on how quickly the basket goes inwards towards the magnet.

Worlddre
11-29-2008, 06:34 PM
not to mention the rs180s are 7"

joshualittle
11-29-2008, 06:40 PM
Yea I understand what your saying about not hearing them first. I'm getting a set for my brothers truck just because of image dynamics reputation and because they have silk tweeters and I'm a big fan of the silks.

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 06:44 PM
not to mention the rs180s are 7"

Meh, they have an overly large flange on them(which I hate...feel like I'm getting robbed of midbass)...they have the pretty much the same cone area as a 6.5.

JimJ
11-29-2008, 06:44 PM
I've got an 05 ford taurus and 5 x 7 is all you can fit in the doors with out major surgery. I could go 5.25 with a bracket but I didn't want to sacrifice the loss off bass, although sq would be better.

What have you done to the door?

'Dre's right, 6.5's will fit without any modifications, but even a 5.25" will extend down to the subbass range given proper installation.

Once you've heard it done, the "loss of bass" argument really doesn't hold any water :)

Worlddre
11-29-2008, 06:45 PM
What have you done to the door?

'Dre's right, 6.5's will fit without any modifications, but even a 5.25" will extend down to the subbass range given proper installation.

Once you've heard it done, the "loss of bass" argument really doesn't hold any water :)

i was unaware you still had a keyboard havent seen you in a while

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 06:52 PM
What have you done to the door?

'Dre's right, 6.5's will fit without any modifications, but even a 5.25" will extend down to the subbass range given proper installation.

Once you've heard it done, the "loss of bass" argument really doesn't hold any water :)

I havn't done anything yet, but i read on polk audio's website that an adapter bracket is available to convert from 5 x 7 to 5.25. I've got the tools to make the modifications too if need be but i'm debating on how much money and effort I want to put into it. I would definitely rather have 6.5's as they do sound better

timaishu
11-29-2008, 06:54 PM
What have you done to the door?

'Dre's right, 6.5's will fit without any modifications, but even a 5.25" will extend down to the subbass range given proper installation.

Once you've heard it done, the "loss of bass" argument really doesn't hold any water :)

I installed 6x8 speakers in my 97 ford taurus. You say 6.5's will fit? As in, I would just have to drill my own screw holes and it would work? No mdf baffle or anything?

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 06:56 PM
I installed 6x8 speakers in my 97 ford taurus. You say 6.5's will fit? As in, I would just have to drill my own screw holes and it would work? No mdf baffle or anything?

I would think you would need to seal the exposed opening around the edges too

RAM_Designs
11-29-2008, 06:59 PM
I would think you would need to seal the exposed opening around the edges too
Yep, just make a MDF spacer that'll cover the entire hole, and just mount your 6.5" or whatever sized mid to that baffle.

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 07:00 PM
Yep, just make a MDF spacer that'll cover the entire hole, and just mount your 6.5" or whatever sized mid to that baffle.

this is a joyous day now that I can have what I really want :veryhapp:

IDSkoT
11-29-2008, 07:02 PM
I listened to 5 x 7's , 6's, and 6.5's and the 5 x 7's deifinitely kicked out more bass. So why do so many of you say they don't ??


5x7 = Pi(2.5)(3.5) = 27.475 Cone Area

6" = Pi(3)^2 = 28.26 Cone Area


Because people have hard on's for cone area around here.

But, like EVERYTHING, it depends on the application, installation, quality of the driver, design of the driver, amount of power it's seeing, etc.


I've seen some 3" drivers that have midbass that drops my jaw, and I've seen 6.5"s that make my farts sound like an Opera.

But as previous posts have stated, there are a lot more options when going with the regular 6.5" drivers... there are hundreds of component sets to pick from in the 6.5" range... however there are very few (that I've seen) that are oval... in fact, I've only seen Coaxial ovals... but I never looked for oval comps.

timaishu
11-29-2008, 07:03 PM
You say you drive an 05 taurus?

Not that it makes any real difference. But Im pretty sure all ford taurus's have 6x8 sized speakers. Not 5x7

Racerx250
11-29-2008, 07:04 PM
You say you drive an 05 taurus?

Not that it makes any real difference. But Im pretty sure all ford taurus's have 6x8 sized speakers. Not 5x7

a 5x7 and 6x8 fits in the same hole....


Does it not?

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 07:07 PM
You say you drive an 05 taurus?

Not that it makes any real difference. But Im pretty sure all ford taurus's have 6x8 sized speakers. Not 5x7

yep, they havn't changed. except the if you have a 2004-2006 taurus the passenger airbag module is built into the factory headunit assembly which means up until last year you could not change out the deck with out killing the passenger airbag and voiding the warranty. metra finally made a kit that re-routes the sensor but at 120 bucks and no garuntees

timaishu
11-29-2008, 07:08 PM
Im quite sure they are interchangeable. My 6x8's say they will fit in 5x7 openings.

Im just saying..

timaishu
11-29-2008, 07:14 PM
Does your taurus have separate tweeters?

Im sure you could get a cheap 6.5 component set and mount the tweeters in the sails.

Will give you better imaging that way.

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 07:21 PM
Does your taurus have separate tweeters?

Im sure you could get a cheap 6.5 component set and mount the tweeters in the sails.

Will give you better imaging that way.

no tweets,and I'm not as picky about it as others as far as the highs. I'm satisfied with what some of the good coaxials will do, like references or bostons. plus I don't know how long I'm keeping this car. my next car I will go all out with some components and 2 subs.

timaishu
11-29-2008, 07:24 PM
Im sure those image dynamics mentioned earlier would be nice. And I can tell you that the 6822cfs sound great too considering I ride with them everyday.

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 07:29 PM
Im sure those image dynamics mentioned earlier would be nice. And I can tell you that the 6822cfs sound great too considering I ride with them everyday.

i heard the 6822cfs today at circuit city and they sounded pretty nice. I'm going to another place tomarrow to listen to the jl audio 5 x 7's , But I've gotta listen before I buy.

Steveopevo
11-29-2008, 08:13 PM
19mm Liquid-Cooled Silk/Polymer composite Dome Tweeter with Neodymium magnet for clear, detailed highs

sounds really tough......... the new polk db series.

timaishu
11-29-2008, 08:33 PM
What I choose to buy is based off reviews, not buzzwords.

:)