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joshualittle
11-21-2008, 02:56 PM
I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the helpfull advice that datboiroy has given me in planning my new system.

GlocksRock
11-21-2008, 02:58 PM
so did you ever decide on what subs you are going to run?

joshualittle
11-21-2008, 03:02 PM
Yea 2 15" hertz mille ml 3800

GlocksRock
11-21-2008, 03:13 PM
awesome... let us know your opinions when you get them installed and have some listening time in.

joshualittle
11-21-2008, 03:27 PM
I will, it'll still be a while I'm waiting on a payment before I can buy my equipment. It's gonna be fun. Those subs look sick as hell.

craigzter
11-21-2008, 03:29 PM
I as well can vouche for roy...he is a good guy. and has some **** good prices for sure.

p.s. Roy, be expecting a pm in a few days for some new comps!!

joshualittle
11-21-2008, 04:09 PM
Yea I agree he's a d a m n good guy. He's been extremely patient with me. Cause when I get paid he's gonna get paid!

joshualittle
11-21-2008, 05:43 PM
Bump

joshualittle
11-22-2008, 12:47 AM
Bump

Ken448
11-22-2008, 12:48 AM
why are we bumping a feedback thread in the wrong forum?

speedfreak28
11-23-2008, 08:45 PM
and i wouldnt advertise that he is offering warranty on some of those products that frown on online sale;), you may want to edit those brands out.

joshualittle
11-23-2008, 08:49 PM
Alright

6spdcoupe
11-23-2008, 10:58 PM
I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the helpfull advice that datboiroy has given me in planning my new system. His prices are unbeatable and he can get many brands and prices include warranty and shipping. Brands include audison, hertz, image dynamics, jl, rockford, diamond, digital designs,and zapco as well as a few others. Just pm him if interested and he'll give you a quote.

Interesting. How bout this ... call the manufacturers and ask if this is permitted. I promise you it will be a different story. However believe what you like.

ngsm13
11-23-2008, 11:35 PM
I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the helpfull advice that datboiroy has given me in planning my new system. His prices are unbeatable and he can get many brands and prices include warranty and shipping. Brands include audison, hertz, image dynamics, jl, rockford, diamond, digital designs,and zapco as well as a few others. Just pm him if interested and he'll give you a quote.

Transhipping FTL...

nG

audioholic
11-23-2008, 11:42 PM
It would be a bummer to have JL, ID, etc find out about this, shut him down, and void all warranties. Anyone considering buying from him might want to consider that first.

I think this sales pitch/feedback thread kinda backfired.

ngsm13
11-23-2008, 11:47 PM
Ooops....

And what REALLY helped it out was the PM from him alerting me to this thread...


hey can i get this thread deleted, i really dont know why this guy made this thread. ive only sold my used products that i had or extras that i had. i dont want people to think im a dealer and have my pm box full, cuz ive gotten a few already wit pm's. thanks

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5468678#post5468678

:emb:

nG

6spdcoupe
11-23-2008, 11:48 PM
Oooh thats bad.

ngsm13
11-23-2008, 11:50 PM
Nothing like revealing yourself to a moderator who doesn't like shady ****...

kthnxbi.

nG

6spdcoupe
11-23-2008, 11:53 PM
'tis true.

speedfreak28
11-23-2008, 11:54 PM
woops

audioholic
11-23-2008, 11:55 PM
Nothing like revealing yourself to a moderator who doesn't like shady ****...

kthnxbi.

nGI thought you were the moderator who doesn't like Slim Shady.

ngsm13
11-23-2008, 11:56 PM
Add me to that list as well...

nG

datboiroy
11-24-2008, 12:24 AM
I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the helpfull advice that datboiroy has given me in planning my new system. His prices are unbeatable and he can get many brands and prices include warranty and shipping. Brands include audison, hertz, image dynamics, jl, rockford, diamond, digital designs,and zapco as well as a few others. Just pm him if interested and he'll give you a quote.

yeah dude, dunno why you wrote this, i was only parting out my system that i had which was the mlk165's, hcx 690, and the eclipse cd7200mkii.

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 12:28 AM
yeah dude, dunno why you wrote this, i was only parting out my system that i had which was the mlk165's, hcx 690, and the eclipse cd7200mkii.

So ...those are the only things you sold? Are you sure Roy? How will all the people you sold other things to react to this?

Are you claiming that you do not work for a shop? You did not give numerous quotes on products? Again, how will the people that you offered products to react to this post now?

datboiroy
11-24-2008, 12:34 AM
So ...those are the only things you sold? Are you sure Roy? How will all the people you sold other things to react to this?

Are you claiming that you do not work for a shop? You did not give numerous quotes on products? Again, how will the people that you offered products to react to this post now?

i dont have a job, im a full time student.

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 12:37 AM
*EDIT*

aw

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 12:38 AM
i dont have a job, im a full time student.

Interesting ....

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 12:43 AM
Wow ..

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=585960&postcount=1

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=586086&postcount=4

Interesting, seems like you were trying to assist him? Theres quite a few more if you'd like me to dig em up ..

99grandprixGT
11-24-2008, 12:44 AM
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11-24-2008, 12:52 AM
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I find it interesting D-Boy, that you are a student and have no job, yet your signature on Houston Imports offers a phone number to Stereo EFX in Houston!

Looks like I get to make a dealer termination call tomorrow.

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11-24-2008, 12:54 AM
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I find it interesting D-Boy, that you are a student and have no job, yet your signature on Houston Imports offers a phone number to Stereo EFX in Houston!

Looks like I get to make a dealer termination call tomorrow.

ouch

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 12:55 AM
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I find it interesting D-Boy, that you are a student and have no job, yet your signature on Houston Imports offers a phone number to Stereo EFX in Houston!

Looks like I get to make a dealer termination call tomorrow.

Hey Sean, I think Jim is already on that !

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 12:56 AM
My one pet peave is trans-shippers.

I told your buddy littleviet and 02accord to stop or I would cut the source. Then you get up here and start. Your source is done!

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 12:57 AM
Hey Sean, I think Jim is already on that !

You can bet your @$$ I will be on it too...

First thing tomorrow AM

Mc_Hammer
11-24-2008, 12:57 AM
lawl at teh epicness of this thread thusfar :fyi:

ngsm13
11-24-2008, 12:58 AM
Oops...

nG

99grandprixGT
11-24-2008, 12:58 AM
lol this turned good. guys gonna loose his job now that he supposedly does not have. lol

PsychoTheRapist
11-24-2008, 01:00 AM
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11-24-2008, 01:01 AM
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I find it interesting D-Boy, that you are a student and have no job, yet your signature on Houston Imports offers a phone number to Stereo EFX in Houston!

Looks like I get to make a dealer termination call tomorrow.

ive never bought anything image before.

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 01:01 AM
You can bet your @$$ I will be on it too...

First thing tomorrow AM

I know you well enough for this to be quite true !

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 01:04 AM
lawl at teh epicness of this thread thusfar :fyi:


epic doesn't begin to describe it

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 01:11 AM
ive never bought anything image before.

Interesting...


Hey there! well you come very recommended.
I was reading a thread by joshualittle and he said you can get Image Dynamics stuff.
well I'm lookin' for some CTX65cs component speakers do you happen to have those?


datboiroy - yeah 149 shipped with warranty brand new in box.

So either you are lying now or you were going to take his money and not send him product!

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 01:12 AM
I don't like trans-shippers and I really don't like theives and liars

Mc_Hammer
11-24-2008, 01:14 AM
epic doesn't begin to describe it

i know... thats why i said epicness :p:

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 01:18 AM
ive never bought anything image before.

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5442299#post5442299

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350305

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 01:19 AM
http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495552
http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495425

Try not to confuse the sn's, may be different people with similar sn's and "pm sent" hallmark posts.

Or perhaps I am the confused one:confused::confused::confused::

shaneb
11-24-2008, 01:20 AM
So Roy, was Igoing to get ripped off since you said the Comonents were BNIB with warranty?

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 01:21 AM
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5442299#post5442299

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350305



big time ouch for that second link there :hide:

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 01:22 AM
yeah dude, dunno why you wrote this, i was only parting out my system that i had which was the mlk165's, hcx 690, and the eclipse cd7200mkii.


You sure did have ALOT of stuff in your car then, apparently alot more than you just listed ..

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=4513751&pp=30


The worst part ..

Arc generously gives these out for free in bags of 25 or so to dealers and you chose to profit (quite substantially) from em too ..

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5368932#post5368932

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 01:23 AM
So Roy, was Igoing to get ripped off since you said the Comonents were BNIB with warranty?

' Ripped off ', to be honest would be strong worded. Extremely mislead would be more appropriate. Would he have actually provided the products? Im sure he would, it is just the rest of the details that would be lacking.

Proximity
11-24-2008, 01:24 AM
Man if I was joshualittle I'd feel like such an *******.

PsychoTheRapist
11-24-2008, 01:25 AM
Man is I was joshualittle I'd feel like such an *******.

Meh, it was destined to happen sooner or later.. sooner is always better though. ;)

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 01:26 AM
wonder if josh will still have the "hookup" now

ngsm13
11-24-2008, 01:26 AM
Wonder why he chose me to PM, any other mods get a PM?

nG

shaneb
11-24-2008, 01:27 AM
Originally Posted by shaneb
Hey there! well you come very recommended.
I was reading a thread by joshualittle and he said you can get Image Dynamics stuff.
well I'm lookin' for some CTX65cs component speakers do you happen to have those?

MY BOY ROY - yeah 149 shipped with warranty brand new in box.

ME - Hey so I was reading more on that thread from joshualittle, and you offered me a warranty, didn't say it was used. Does that mean I don't get a warranty? I'm confused? Should I ask in the ID forum to make sure?
This is all confusing. I can just ask Eric Stevens over there? It's not a big deal, but I would like the warranty, and woofersetc.com for 30 more dolars I get one. Maybe lower the price?


MY BOY ROY - i can, but wit all this bullshit goin on in ca.com thats pissing me off, i dont mind offering you a refund. cuz iono how this **** started and now its gonna put a bad name on me and im gonna lay low and forget bout ca.com since i already got my system. just lemme kno what u want.

Wow can we say he back tracked?
Now where do you guys think Sean Adler got all this information?
That's right Roy, no back tracking now. You **** at lying.
Game over.

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 01:29 AM
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Proximity
11-24-2008, 01:31 AM
Man I don't understand why people are so sandy-******'d over this. He offers good prices for new items. He obviously isn't a scammer or anything given his feedback...

ngsm13
11-24-2008, 01:31 AM
LOL @ This kid spreading the word!!!

The word of TRANSHIPPING!!!!

nG

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 01:32 AM
hmmm busted? a lil?

Fiercetimbo17
11-24-2008, 01:32 AM
Is this the shop owner? I dont think its fair to right away cut the shop off if its some employee breaking the rules without them knowing.
Dont know how much product he has sold so it could be without knowledge of anyone else at the shop..

shaneb
11-24-2008, 01:33 AM
Man I don't understand why people are so sandy-******'d over this. He offers good prices for new items. He obviously isn't a scammer or anything given his feedback...

You sign your name on a contract that says you will follow rules, then break them. You are hurting the industry and breaking the law.
Takes no integrity.
That's why.

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 01:34 AM
Man if I was joshualittle I'd feel like such an *******.


Meh, it was destined to happen sooner or later.. sooner is always better though. ;)

Definitely better than finding out after the fact.

shaneb
11-24-2008, 01:34 AM
Is this the shop owner? I dont think its fair to right away cut the shop off if its some employee breaking the rules without them knowing.
Dont know how much product he has sold so it could be without knowledge of anyone else at the shop..

taking products worth over 1000$ total and selling them for less. and you think the owner dosn't know?
hm...

ngsm13
11-24-2008, 01:34 AM
Man I don't understand why people are so sandy-******'d over this. He offers good prices for new items. He obviously isn't a scammer or anything given his feedback...

You must not understand....

nG

Proximity
11-24-2008, 01:36 AM
You sign your name on a contract that says you will follow rules, then break them. You are hurting the industry and breaking the law.
Takes no integrity.
That's why.

I'll give you the integrity part, but how is it hurting the industry? Why don't manufacturers like online sales?


I'm not trying to set guns ablaze or start an efight or anything, I just really don't understand :confused:

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 01:38 AM
Is this the shop owner? I dont think its fair to right away cut the shop off if its some employee breaking the rules without them knowing.
Dont know how much product he has sold so it could be without knowledge of anyone else at the shop..

No it is not the shop owner. Shop owner is Sam the same guy that supplies lyttleviet with all the stuff that he tranships.

Ironically this question has been left unanswered despite numerous times logging in since ..

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5459018&postcount=38

Found in ..

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349048

Both are sourced from the same shop and yes the owner is quite well aware.

shaneb
11-24-2008, 01:38 AM
I'll give you the integrity part, but how is it hurting the industry? Why don't manufacturers like online sales?


I'm not trying to set guns ablaze or start an efight or anything, I just really don't understand :confused:

Because it kills the shop next to him when his online prices are less than his.
You keep people in business when you don't have a super competitive market or monopoly on a product in a area.
There's only 4 ID dealers in houston area. They would lose business to this.

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 01:38 AM
I'll give you the integrity part, but how is it hurting the industry? Why don't manufacturers like online sales?


I'm not trying to set guns ablaze or start an efight or anything, I just really don't understand :confused:

i've debated this ina diff thread let me find it for you.

edit: found it http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360815&page=2 there u go read away

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 01:41 AM
Is this the shop owner? I dont think its fair to right away cut the shop off if its some employee breaking the rules without them knowing.
Dont know how much product he has sold so it could be without knowledge of anyone else at the shop..


This is definitely not the first character I caught from this specific store doing the exact same stuff. I've have discussions with the owner about his other two "sellers" littleviet and 02accord.
Funny that immediately after I talked to the owner littleviet pm'ed someone to let them know that all of a sudden he couldn't get ID.

Funny how that works. My guess... the owners is on on it.

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 01:43 AM
He is most certainly in on it. He has made attempts to aquire other lines that he has since been 'banned' from getting. However he doesnt tell the whole truth to even these guys selling for him.

shaneb
11-24-2008, 01:47 AM
Wow, I guess My boy Roy is "layin low" like he told me he was gonna do.

Fiercetimbo17
11-24-2008, 01:47 AM
Did not know the level he was selling on, someone has to know, seeing this happened before im guessing some of the companies do not care as long as they are moving product...

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 01:48 AM
It's a very simple equation, really.

Excellent company->
excellent products->
poor Dealer selection->
trans-shipping->
decreased quantity of honest, legit dealers->
decreased business for excellent company->
company must maintain livable profit margin->
company has a choice to lower build quality on products->
you now receive 'not as they used to be' products.

ID is one of a few companies doing things right (cutting trans-shipping, monitoring internet sales) and that's why they spit out top quality products that you all (end-user) enjoy. Arc as well. Memphis. Boston. Morel. DD. Elettromedia.--just a few examples.

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 01:50 AM
Did not know the level he was selling on, someone has to know, seeing this happened before im guessing some of the companies do not care as long as they are moving product...

it's not a matter of not caring it's a matter of having proof. some of the companies allow you to sell online some don't the one's that don't have to have proof and i guess they got the proof they needed in this case.

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 01:51 AM
Does JL still bill them? Does Directed still want their money?

What does that all mean? I want the whole story!:furious:

:laugh:

shaneb
11-24-2008, 01:51 AM
It's a very simple equation, really.

Excellent company->
excellent products->
poor Dealer selection->
trans-shipping->
decreased quantity of honest, legit dealers->
decreased business for excellent company->
company must maintain livable profit margin->
company has a choice to lower build quality on products->
you now receive 'not as they used to be' products.

ID is one of a few companies doing things right (cutting trans-shipping, monitoring internet sales) and that's why they spit out top quality products that you all (end-user) enjoy. Arc as well. Memphis. Boston. Morel. DD. Elettromedia.--just a few examples.
MTX actually contracts out their net enforcing cause of stuff like this.

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 01:53 AM
I'll give you the integrity part, but how is it hurting the industry? Why don't manufacturers like online sales?


I'm not trying to set guns ablaze or start an efight or anything, I just really don't understand :confused:


The internet fuels what we call "The race to Zero". If something can be purchased on line for less than in stores, the "in-store" price must be lowered to keep the sale. This is why consumers do not expect to pay much for most items... computers, ANY electronics. You name it. if it can be found on the internet then a retailer is going out of business.

So now we have something even more interesting going on. There was a report in the Wall Street Journal last week stating that numerous internet based sales companies are going out of business due to rising costs of shipping and smaller margins. They are victims of their own disease!

s Beatz
11-24-2008, 01:56 AM
ID is in ontario? Wow i live right by ontario mills haha any deals for local people lol

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 01:56 AM
The internet fuels what we call "The race to Zero". If something can be purchased on line for less than in stores, the "in-store" price must be lowered to keep the sale. This is why consumers do not expect to pay much for most items... computers, ANY electronics. You name it. if it can be found on the internet then a retailer is going out of business.

So now we have something even more interesting going on. There was a report in the Wall Street Journal last week stating that numerous internet based sales companies are going out of business due to rising costs of shipping and smaller margins. They are victims of their own disease!

That means those internet-based companies have to close up their apartment warehouse/store. Where's the owner going to live now??

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 01:58 AM
It's a very simple equation, really.

Excellent company->
excellent products->
poor Dealer selection->
trans-shipping->
decreased quantity of honest, legit dealers->
decreased business for excellent company->
company must maintain livable profit margin->
company has a choice to lower build quality on products->
you now receive 'not as they used to be' products.

ID is one of a few companies doing things right (cutting trans-shipping, monitoring internet sales) and that's why they spit out top quality products that you all (end-user) enjoy. Arc as well. Memphis. Boston. Morel. DD. Elettromedia.--just a few examples.

I would rather sell less QUALITY product with more margin than sell more CRAP product with less margin, less quality and less performance

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 01:59 AM
ID is in ontario? Wow i live right by ontario mills haha any deals for local people lol
Go visit Frank @ Auto Image Plus on Holt and Mountain.

s Beatz
11-24-2008, 02:00 AM
Thats funny, you herd of Fantastic Sound?

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 02:01 AM
I'll give you the integrity part, but how is it hurting the industry? Why don't manufacturers like online sales?


I'm not trying to set guns ablaze or start an efight or anything, I just really don't understand :confused:

My replies when I mentioned Crutchfield to someone else and they claimed it is a ripoff and woofersetc is a better place because it is cheaper ..


Crutchfield is Authorized, has Excellent customer service, offers full warranty, all accessories are usually included. They charge (usually, but sometimes lower) the price that the manufacturer requires and theyre a ripoff?

Am I crutchfield customer? NO. Am I a dealer for 12V? YES. Does crutchfield sometimes even hurt my sales? Absolutely. When I can only make $10 on a $500 ticket because crutchfield sold it : At sale prices, included all installation hardware and free shipping it cuts me and most other retailers down. So am I a fan? No really. Would I still endorse them though? Yes actually I would.

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HOWEVER, lets roll with the claim of 'over priced' ....

How do you think R&D is performed? Is this a free service? Absolutely not. Just to get an amp design on paper can cost an easy $10k, then to production it goes .. testing samples, revisions, cost of materials, shipping, literature, packaging, etc ...ALL cost money.

So with your theories here Brick and Mortar retailers should just plain not exist, correct? Let's say dealer cost for a said item is $500, retail is $750 and they sell it for $750. Good profit? That depends on how much time the retailer spent with you. Now picture this .. YOU are a retailer and sell everything at or right about at your cost ... how many months can you pay your building lease? Electricity? Insurance? Employees? Etc .. You would not last more than a month or two unless your in the habit of just tossing money away for no apparent reason.

In regards to your example of switching defective for a new one at the retailer ..

A: The retailer would not get credit and would be screwed since JL would trace the serial number. Retailer is now at a loss and was an innocent bystander. Did you ever notice most retailers do not offer cash back returns? Why? Because too many people tried this crap in the past. Why should the retailer be hurt because you wanted a replacement?

B: It is just plain sh!tty to do such a thing and is borderline illegal, if nothing else it is completely bad morals and tactics.

I am all for saving money on things and I try my best to extend discounts when I can. Although at the end of the day I still have bills to pay and a family to feed. Shopping in the manner that you do would leave me (and many other business owners) hungry and homeless.

Am I defending ALL retailers? Absolutely not, just in general. There are tons out there that have no work ethic, will mark prices above SRP and give you the 'take it or leave it' speech. Many of them are quite good though. With a retailer you are paying for ..experience, presentation, convenience and of course support/warranty. Many products nowadays can be advance exchanged - over the counter. No downtime for you at all. How many e-tailers do that?

Do you realize how these online sites get alot of their products?

Theft is a major one. This hurts not only the manufacturer and the retailer, but the economy as well.

Refurbed .. yes refurbished and sold as new. Is this ok? You may think so, but if I am paying for a new product, I want a new product.

Counterfeit .. This is getting larger and larger by the day. Sub par parts, products, development and then yes you are getting your (cheap) monies worth.

I do not think Crutchfield advertises on the forums .. Why? Who knows. Might simply be because they do not want to pay to advertise here.

And finally ... What if the popular etailer that your buying from suddenly shuts down? They already have your money, but didnt ship your product. Your screwed. Wont happen? Guess again. Happened several times over the years and I am sure will happen more. "Woofers is so big, it'll never happen" Anyone recall the last place that was down in FL that had a similar reputation and screwed literally hundreds of people? Thezeb.com

PsychoTheRapist
11-24-2008, 02:01 AM
I would rather sell less QUALITY product with more margin than sell more CRAP product with less margin, less quality and less performance

Honestly, I never even heard of ID until I saw a few items on ebay a few years back. Are there even any dealers in MI?

shaneb
11-24-2008, 02:01 AM
I would rather sell less QUALITY product with more margin than sell more CRAP product with less margin, less quality and less performance
I would rather you do that too!

shaneb
11-24-2008, 02:04 AM
Honestly, I never even heard of ID until I saw a few items on ebay a few years back. Are there even any dealers in MI?

www.imagedynamicsusa.com dealer locator on there, and www.woofersetc.com i ID dealer if there isn't.

Phers1er
11-24-2008, 02:04 AM
Wow, I guess My boy Roy is "layin low" like he told me he was gonna do.
Sh*t!! I am really glad I got the amps a purchased from him before he decided to "lay low"(FYI These were used and a warranty was not offered).
He did pm me about some hertz drivers that I wanted for an active 3-way set up and offered a warranty.

Heres the quote from the PM

hey i can get you a Hertz Hi Energy 3-way component setup active

the 8"midbass is 249, midrange is 149 and tweeter is 149 each, if you do all 3, i can get it done for you for 499 shipped with warranty brand new.

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 02:05 AM
My replies when I mentioned Crutchfield to someone else and they claimed it is a ripoff and woofersetc is a better place because it is cheaper ..


Crutchfield is Authorized, has Excellent customer service, offers full warranty, all accessories are usually included. They charge (usually, but sometimes lower) the price that the manufacturer requires and theyre a ripoff?

Am I crutchfield customer? NO. Am I a dealer for 12V? YES. Does crutchfield sometimes even hurt my sales? Absolutely. When I can only make $10 on a $500 ticket because crutchfield sold it : At sale prices, included all installation hardware and free shipping it cuts me and most other retailers down. So am I a fan? No really. Would I still endorse them though? Yes actually I would.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOWEVER, lets roll with the claim of 'over priced' ....

How do you think R&D is performed? Is this a free service? Absolutely not. Just to get an amp design on paper can cost an easy $10k, then to production it goes .. testing samples, revisions, cost of materials, shipping, literature, packaging, etc ...ALL cost money.

So with your theories here Brick and Mortar retailers should just plain not exist, correct? Let's say dealer cost for a said item is $500, retail is $750 and they sell it for $750. Good profit? That depends on how much time the retailer spent with you. Now picture this .. YOU are a retailer and sell everything at or right about at your cost ... how many months can you pay your building lease? Electricity? Insurance? Employees? Etc .. You would not last more than a month or two unless your in the habit of just tossing money away for no apparent reason.

In regards to your example of switching defective for a new one at the retailer ..

A: The retailer would not get credit and would be screwed since JL would trace the serial number. Retailer is now at a loss and was an innocent bystander. Did you ever notice most retailers do not offer cash back returns? Why? Because too many people tried this crap in the past. Why should the retailer be hurt because you wanted a replacement?

B: It is just plain sh!tty to do such a thing and is borderline illegal, if nothing else it is completely bad morals and tactics.

I am all for saving money on things and I try my best to extend discounts when I can. Although at the end of the day I still have bills to pay and a family to feed. Shopping in the manner that you do would leave me (and many other business owners) hungry and homeless.

Am I defending ALL retailers? Absolutely not, just in general. There are tons out there that have no work ethic, will mark prices above SRP and give you the 'take it or leave it' speech. Many of them are quite good though. With a retailer you are paying for ..experience, presentation, convenience and of course support/warranty. Many products nowadays can be advance exchanged - over the counter. No downtime for you at all. How many e-tailers do that?

Do you realize how these online sites get alot of their products?

Theft is a major one. This hurts not only the manufacturer and the retailer, but the economy as well.

Refurbed .. yes refurbished and sold as new. Is this ok? You may think so, but if I am paying for a new product, I want a new product.

Counterfeit .. This is getting larger and larger by the day. Sub par parts, products, development and then yes you are getting your (cheap) monies worth.

I do not think Crutchfield advertises on the forums .. Why? Who knows. Might simply be because they do not want to pay to advertise here.

And finally ... What if the popular etailer that your buying from suddenly shuts down? They already have your money, but didnt ship your product. Your screwed. Wont happen? Guess again. Happened several times over the years and I am sure will happen more. "Woofers is so big, it'll never happen" Anyone recall the last place that was down in FL that had a similar reputation and screwed literally hundreds of people? Thezeb.com


myself and another shop owner has been through this arguement here at this thread
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showth...=360815&page=2

PsychoTheRapist
11-24-2008, 02:05 AM
www.imagedynamicsusa.com dealer locator on there, and www.woofersetc.com i ID dealer if there isn't.

I'm lazy, plus I want to see if this guy knows his ****..

Image Dynamics
11-24-2008, 02:05 AM
Honestly, I never even heard of ID until I saw a few items on ebay a few years back. Are there even any dealers in MI?

I currently do not have a dealer in Michigan. This is why I use Woofers Etc. We have a working relationship with Woofers Etc and they have maintained a good pricing structure for ID products.

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 02:08 AM
myself and another shop owner has been through this arguement here at this thread
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showth...=360815&page=2

Linky no workie !

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 02:12 AM
Linky no workie !



fixed http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360815

audioholic
11-24-2008, 02:13 AM
So now we have something even more interesting going on. There was a report in the Wall Street Journal last week stating that numerous internet based sales companies are going out of business due to rising costs of shipping and smaller margins. They are victims of their own disease!In theory, more internet sales would mean a boost to the shipping companies, which should help drive costs down, not up. My guess is the recent spike in fuel prices is what lead to those failures. Its no big secret that shipping companies were raising rates during that time.

Your comment on the race to zero is right on the mark. Its happening across many industries, not just audio equipment. MSRP is taking it on the chin. IMO, the internet isn't going away, the genie is out of the bottle... its the industries and sales organizations that need to adapt to the change in the market, not expect to keep the market conforming to its will. Do I have an easy answer? Hell no. But this quasi-dealer/quasi-internet network so many manufacturers have these days feels like a bandaide over a much more serious problem.

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 02:14 AM
I'm lazy, plus I want to see if this guy knows his ****..


trying to see if Sean knows his stuff? heck ya he does! and as for that dealer locater it's a sometime worky thing for me. matt blames IE and says i need to get firefox. lol

but i can guarentee that if it's about ID those guys over there know they're stuff. and i know a lil about their stuff too.

:cool:

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 02:15 AM
fixed http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360815

Ahhh yes, I was in that one too. :)

duece212
11-24-2008, 02:16 AM
In theory, more internet sales would mean a boost to the shipping companies, which should help drive costs down, not up. My guess is the recent spike in fuel prices is what lead to those failures. Its no big secret that shipping companies were raising rates during that time.

Your comment on the race to zero is right on the mark. Its happening across many industries, not just audio equipment. MSRP is taking it on the chin. IMO, the internet isn't going away, the genie is out of the bottle... its the industries and sales organizations that need to adapt to the change in the market, not expect to keep the market conforming to its will. Do I have an easy answer? Hell no. But this quasi-dealer network so many manufacturers have these days feels like a bandaide over a much more serious problem.

Agreed, and its not just goods but service and manufacturing as well. I can argue with my company about offshoring labor making for lower quality of service and results but the answer back will be "Its xxx cheaper and we have to compete with company B who offshores".

People want things cheap, that won't change, just as companies need to lower labor costs to compete....thats unfortunately not changing either :crap:

Proximity
11-24-2008, 02:17 AM
i've debated this ina diff thread let me find it for you.

edit: found it http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360815&page=2 there u go read away

good read.

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 02:18 AM
good read.

hopefull you learned something from that read too proximity and you'll understand why some companies operate teh way they do.

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 02:22 AM
nvm

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 02:23 AM
link is broken. http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360815&page=2 ?

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360815

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 02:27 AM
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360815

This thread was moving way too fast, when I posted an attempt for a fix it was too late. Thanks, Horsemanwill.:D My editing the post didn't even make it to you in time:laugh:

chinxtaboi
11-24-2008, 02:49 AM
good read... the links are good too. i feel much more edumacated.

00poop6x
11-24-2008, 02:54 AM
good read... the links are good too. i feel much more edumacated.

not as good as pho:(

nismos14
11-24-2008, 09:58 AM
Quoting cuz it's just that **** good.


My replies when I mentioned Crutchfield to someone else and they claimed it is a ripoff and woofersetc is a better place because it is cheaper ..


Crutchfield is Authorized, has Excellent customer service, offers full warranty, all accessories are usually included. They charge (usually, but sometimes lower) the price that the manufacturer requires and theyre a ripoff?

Am I crutchfield customer? NO. Am I a dealer for 12V? YES. Does crutchfield sometimes even hurt my sales? Absolutely. When I can only make $10 on a $500 ticket because crutchfield sold it : At sale prices, included all installation hardware and free shipping it cuts me and most other retailers down. So am I a fan? No really. Would I still endorse them though? Yes actually I would.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HOWEVER, lets roll with the claim of 'over priced' ....

How do you think R&D is performed? Is this a free service? Absolutely not. Just to get an amp design on paper can cost an easy $10k, then to production it goes .. testing samples, revisions, cost of materials, shipping, literature, packaging, etc ...ALL cost money.

So with your theories here Brick and Mortar retailers should just plain not exist, correct? Let's say dealer cost for a said item is $500, retail is $750 and they sell it for $750. Good profit? That depends on how much time the retailer spent with you. Now picture this .. YOU are a retailer and sell everything at or right about at your cost ... how many months can you pay your building lease? Electricity? Insurance? Employees? Etc .. You would not last more than a month or two unless your in the habit of just tossing money away for no apparent reason.

In regards to your example of switching defective for a new one at the retailer ..

A: The retailer would not get credit and would be screwed since JL would trace the serial number. Retailer is now at a loss and was an innocent bystander. Did you ever notice most retailers do not offer cash back returns? Why? Because too many people tried this crap in the past. Why should the retailer be hurt because you wanted a replacement?

B: It is just plain sh!tty to do such a thing and is borderline illegal, if nothing else it is completely bad morals and tactics.

I am all for saving money on things and I try my best to extend discounts when I can. Although at the end of the day I still have bills to pay and a family to feed. Shopping in the manner that you do would leave me (and many other business owners) hungry and homeless.

Am I defending ALL retailers? Absolutely not, just in general. There are tons out there that have no work ethic, will mark prices above SRP and give you the 'take it or leave it' speech. Many of them are quite good though. With a retailer you are paying for ..experience, presentation, convenience and of course support/warranty. Many products nowadays can be advance exchanged - over the counter. No downtime for you at all. How many e-tailers do that?

Do you realize how these online sites get alot of their products?

Theft is a major one. This hurts not only the manufacturer and the retailer, but the economy as well.

Refurbed .. yes refurbished and sold as new. Is this ok? You may think so, but if I am paying for a new product, I want a new product.

Counterfeit .. This is getting larger and larger by the day. Sub par parts, products, development and then yes you are getting your (cheap) monies worth.

I do not think Crutchfield advertises on the forums .. Why? Who knows. Might simply be because they do not want to pay to advertise here.

And finally ... What if the popular etailer that your buying from suddenly shuts down? They already have your money, but didnt ship your product. Your screwed. Wont happen? Guess again. Happened several times over the years and I am sure will happen more. "Woofers is so big, it'll never happen" Anyone recall the last place that was down in FL that had a similar reputation and screwed literally hundreds of people? Thezeb.com

DBfan187
11-24-2008, 11:30 AM
This thread is hilarious!

99grandprixGT
11-24-2008, 01:17 PM
yes this is great.

duece212
11-24-2008, 01:18 PM
I'm here for the cheap unauthorized product....still available?

99grandprixGT
11-24-2008, 01:19 PM
I'm here for the cheap unauthorized product....still available?

with warranty right? lol

DBfan187
11-24-2008, 01:39 PM
I'm here for the cheap unauthorized product....still available?
www.ebay.com

atsaubrey
11-24-2008, 06:48 PM
You can bet your @$$ I will be on it too...

First thing tomorrow AM

Whoop that mutha fuc&ers ***!

headless
11-24-2008, 08:38 PM
lol. Teh epic.

denim
11-24-2008, 09:12 PM
This made my ultra crappy day, just a little less crappy.

Lizardking
11-24-2008, 09:14 PM
Isn't woofersetc like the biggest transhipper of all and a Company's like ID is hooked up with them? I guess at the end of the day...who really cares...consumers....NO!

joshualittle
11-24-2008, 09:29 PM
I feel like such an ***!

Lizardking
11-24-2008, 09:32 PM
I wouldn't.....others on here do the same thing and sell on the side through PM's. I have some in my inbox...but choose not to call them out......why....who really cares.

joshualittle
11-24-2008, 09:43 PM
Yea I really didn't expect all this. I was just expecting to get quality products at an affordable price and 6spdcoupe and that image dynamics guy turned it into a fiasco. I don't see what the big deal is the companies will still get paid.

joshualittle
11-24-2008, 09:44 PM
To be honest I'd like to get the thread deleted for roy's sake. I wasn't trying to ruin anyones reputation.

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 09:45 PM
you must not have read the links that i posted in this thread and you must not have read what 6spd said either in the bold letters

shaneb
11-24-2008, 09:49 PM
Yea I really didn't expect all this. I was just expecting to get quality products at an affordable price and 6spdcoupe and that image dynamics guy turned it into a fiasco. I don't see what the big deal is the companies will still get paid.

Wrong, Horsemanwill and I turned this into a fiasco.
Because you posted that.
I pm'ed him.
And we reported it.
Because it kills the industry.
Woofersetc has contracts just like your boy Roy HAD But they follow there's. They don't transship.
You need to read the links provided in this. And you need to read the post in bold by 6spdcoupe. That explains everything.

You shouldn't feel bad.
They made choices jeopardizing their integrity as business men. And there are consequences to that. It's not rocket science.

denim
11-24-2008, 09:52 PM
I wouldn't.....others on here do the same thing and sell on the side through PM's. I have some in my inbox...but choose not to call them out......why....who really cares.
But you should care, and if it is questionable you should be asking a moderator.

Lizardking
11-24-2008, 09:57 PM
It's like George Carlin said, "the business man is going to service your account". :nutskick:

Lizardking
11-24-2008, 09:58 PM
But you should care, and if it is questionable you should be asking a moderator.

I have far more important things to consider important in life.:cool:

denim
11-24-2008, 10:03 PM
I have far more important things to consider important in life.:cool:

Your activity in this thread contradicts that statement.

Lizardking
11-24-2008, 10:09 PM
Your activity in this thread contradicts that statement.

I guess I should have been more clear....I don't like RATS! But you're right, I really don't care what or who people buy from...it falls under "who really cares".

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 10:11 PM
I guess I should have been more clear....I don't like RATS! But you're right, I really don't care what or who people buy from...it falls under "who really cares".

if someone was "working for or with you" and was doing something that would cause you your job what would u do?

Lizardking
11-24-2008, 10:15 PM
It happens everyday in my business....I'm from the old school....we don't RAT on others... I'M TELLING, I'M TELLING, I'M TELLING. please.

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 10:18 PM
you didn't answer my question what would you do?

Lizardking
11-24-2008, 10:20 PM
At the end of the day, this is really none of my business nor a lot of others that have posted in this thread. It should have been handled differently than what it was. I won't post anymore on the subject.....no matter what is said or proven...at the end of the day it's not my business.

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 10:22 PM
so you avoid my quesiton? then don't sit there and call names or say something should not have been done when you can't answer a simple question.

it was handled diffrently on the first offense but it still continued. so it was handled diffrently.

shaneb
11-24-2008, 10:22 PM
It happens everyday in my business....I'm from the old school....we don't RAT on others... I'M TELLING, I'M TELLING, I'M TELLING. please.

Yes, And I have made the joke, Corporate e-narcing.
But. It's also about keeping the industry alive. Keeping those other 3 ID dealers in the Houston area in business. The "old school" sure can you elaborate on that? I thought we were adults talking business? Not high school druggies talkin about "I never narc'd on nobody?"
This isn't a Vin Diesel movie.
It's business.
You break the rules, you go away.
Much less he broke the law here in Texas.

shaneb
11-24-2008, 10:25 PM
At the end of the day, this is really none of my business nor a lot of others that have posted in this thread. It should have been handled differently than what it was. I won't post anymore on the subject.....no matter what is said or proven...at the end of the day it's not my business.

It was handled privately.
It was very private, until the big wigs on CA.com started to unravel what was happening. Then we chimed in and let them know it was getting taken care of. Much less humiliating the LIAR that would not 'fess up to what he did or was going to do.
Remember. I'm the one he was going to sell a pair of ID components to, "with warranty."

Lizardking
11-24-2008, 10:28 PM
It's like I said, it's none of my business....and I'm not sure what a "Vin Diesel" is. Is this a movie?

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 10:29 PM
ok then i guess we are done "discussing" this with u

good day sir

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 10:57 PM
and just for the record i'd also like for you all to read this thread:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174884

headless
11-24-2008, 11:17 PM
It was just a matter of time, IMO. Anyone with brains could see that the situation wasn't kosher - you don't get something for nothing. Want **** dirt cheap? Goodbye warranty. Something seem too good to be true? Guess what; it's not true.

It's funny, I called this entire situation as soon as I saw the prices on some stuff and conflicting information from roy re: dealership status, and then subsequently saw josualittle parading around the site posting in EVERY thread about EVERY type of equipment, with a sig showing 10 high end pieces of equipment - all coming soon - saying he's got 'the hookup' and can get it 'cheap yo, just PM me' so he could get it even cheaper. :rolleyes:

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 11:39 PM
Wow, guess this makes me a 'rat' then. All I did was ask a simple question ...

However if reporting to appropriate manufacturer classifies me as a rat, then so be it. I will take that title and still feed my family rather than not be called it and starve.

ngsm13
11-24-2008, 11:47 PM
Yea I really didn't expect all this. I was just expecting to get quality products at an affordable price and 6spdcoupe and that image dynamics guy turned it into a fiasco. I don't see what the big deal is the companies will still get paid.

It's not a fiasco, it's shady business to begin with.

What made it even shadier, was contacting a moderator to delete it. YOU and HIM...

All the moderators have already seen this, so don't thinki asking someone else will get you anything.

kthnxbi.

nG

Horsemanwill
11-24-2008, 11:50 PM
i do hope josh got all his stuff before this fiasco

shaneb
11-24-2008, 11:51 PM
i do hope josh got all his stuff before this fiasco

with warranty...lmao.

ngsm13
11-24-2008, 11:57 PM
I guess I should have been more clear....I don't like RATS! But you're right, I really don't care what or who people buy from...it falls under "who really cares".

He rat'd himself out to me...

His original PM to me, asking for this thread to get deleted... is what got the ball rolling.

He has no one to blame, but himself.

nG

6spdcoupe
11-24-2008, 11:58 PM
This thread title is a bit deceptive :fyi:

99grandprixGT
11-25-2008, 12:00 AM
i do hope josh got all his stuff before this fiasco

lol he paid for it with all the advertisement he gave him :laugh:

ngsm13
11-25-2008, 12:10 AM
Little more appropriate, and a better section as well...

nG

DBfan187
11-25-2008, 12:11 AM
Lol

99grandprixGT
11-25-2008, 12:12 AM
i like the title change.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:13 AM
Little more appropriate, and a better section as well...

nG

Agreed.

duece212
11-25-2008, 12:17 AM
I will pay a mod 50 bucks to delete this thread :uhoh:

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:18 AM
y?

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:20 AM
I will pay a mod 50 bucks to delete this thread :uhoh:

Why? You can Not read it for free.

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:21 AM
haha. This has been fun boys.

Send the 50 to [email protected]
It's sure to get deleted :)

99grandprixGT
11-25-2008, 12:22 AM
can u hook me up with a pair of 6.5 comps for da cheap...with warranty.:hide:

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:22 AM
Buahahahaha

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:22 AM
lmao

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:23 AM
can u hook me up with a pair of 6.5 comps for da cheap...with warranty.:hide:

Actually, wait. Yes I can ! Oh wait ..cheap? Hrmm

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:24 AM
i can get you some pyle's i dont think they have transshipping rules

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:24 AM
Hahaha lmao.

99grandprixGT
11-25-2008, 12:25 AM
i can get you some pyle's i dont think they have transshipping rules

warranty?

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:25 AM
warranty?

'til the end of the parking lot !

ngsm13
11-25-2008, 12:25 AM
I will pay a mod 50 bucks to delete this thread :uhoh:

T3 reference... :emb:

lol...

nG

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:26 AM
I still don't have my 50 bucks..

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:27 AM
'til the end of the parking lot !

parking lot??? as soon as it leaves my hand warranty is done lol

99grandprixGT
11-25-2008, 12:28 AM
haha

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:28 AM
warranty?

do people that buy pyle even worry about a warranty?

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:29 AM
honestly i can't knock pyle back in the days i ran the pyle pros and super pros for mids and subs and them things can bang dude

Flipx99
11-25-2008, 12:29 AM
Why? You can Not read it for free.

It's a joke about a former jackass.

Also, ygpm...doesn't help, but might.

99grandprixGT
11-25-2008, 12:29 AM
do people that buy pyle even worry about a warranty?

nah man there like 3k watt max so they be alright with my xplod 2 channel.

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:30 AM
do people that buy pyle even worry about a warranty?

I noticed in your sig you are considering options on your sub stage. I can get you IDMAX's on da cheap. Just hit me up, I'm your BOI!

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:31 AM
honestly i can't knock pyle back in the days i ran the pyle pros and super pros for mids and subs and them things can bang dude

my brother use to have a super blue 15" :) i think that is pyramid though? however, at the time, i thought it was pretty loud(i was 8 at the time though)

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:32 AM
yep superblue is pyramid tell u what brian you should get that amp from the guy u got ur xs from ;)

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:32 AM
I noticed in your sig you are considering options on your sub stage. I can get you IDMAX's on da cheap. Just hit me up, I'm your BOI!

oh really:cop:

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:32 AM
parking lot??? as soon as it leaves my hand warranty is done lol

I am a lil more softhearted. :(

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:33 AM
oh really:cop:

Actually he could ... your both in KS. ;)

99grandprixGT
11-25-2008, 12:33 AM
I noticed in your sig you are considering options on your sub stage. I can get you IDMAX's on da cheap. Just hit me up, I'm your BOI!

oh can i get in on it to? ill advertise for ya if ya hook me up.

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:33 AM
couldn't tell from this thread lol

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:33 AM
yep superblue is pyramid tell u what brian you should get that amp from the guy u got ur xs from ;)

what amp is he selling?

Flipx99
11-25-2008, 12:33 AM
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I find it interesting D-Boy, that you are a student and have no job, yet your signature on Houston Imports offers a phone number to Stereo EFX in Houston!

Looks like I get to make a dealer termination call tomorrow.

I just told Don he was from Texas.

The lightbulb finally went off about the Texas transhipping connection.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:35 AM
I just told Don he was from Texas.

The lightbulb finally went off about the Texas transhipping connection.

Josh you gotta get out of teh flamjam so often. This is old news now bud. ;)

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:36 AM
Actually he could ... your both in KS. ;)

really? that would be pretty nice. where at in kansas? i really did just lose my hookup :( my best friend just shut his shop down :crap: he use to give me a very generous buddy discount but i was kind of a demo car for his shop

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:36 AM
what amp is he selling?


an ID Q450.4 for 350

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:36 AM
I knew about him and lyttleviet transhipping from there for months. Ironically viet wont reply to the questions I asked in his feedback thread. :(

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:37 AM
really? that would be pretty nice. where at in kansas? i really did just lose my hookup :( my best friend just shut his shop down :crap: he use to give me a very generous buddy discount but i was kind of a demo car for his shop

Ive known him for years, he is in Junction City


Ok I lied. Never met him him, I just read his profile. :laugh:

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:39 AM
really? that would be pretty nice. where at in kansas? i really did just lose my hookup :( my best friend just shut his shop down :crap: he use to give me a very generous buddy discount but i was kind of a demo car for his shop

Lol I am the one that offered lol. I'm from Texas too, not houston though :D horseman is from KS

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:39 AM
an ID Q450.4 for 350

hmm.... very nice amp and i would love to have an all id set up like yours someday but currently i am pretty happy with my alpine amp. plus i have only had it like 2 weeks and would like to hear my xs comps on it first. I'll be dishing 300 watts per side :) (well i'll have it on tap anyway) i just want the headroom

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:39 AM
lol that's funny ya i'm in JC gota lil business when i say lil i mean very lil

Flipx99
11-25-2008, 12:39 AM
Josh you gotta get out of teh flamjam so often. This is old news now bud. ;)

crunk times, not flam jam...as much.

You have been absent...too busy tracking down teh scammers.

duece212
11-25-2008, 12:39 AM
T3 reference... :emb:

lol...

nG

yes


It's a joke about a former jackass.


...and that too

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:40 AM
Ive known him for years, he is in Junction City


Ok I lied. Never met him him, I just read his profile. :laugh:


Lol I am the one that offered lol. I'm from Texas too, not houston though :D horseman is from KS

ah, i have been wanting to meet up with him however i currently have no money :( however i may have to go to him when i finally decide on my substage

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:40 AM
flipx aren't u the one i converted in the other thread about B&M stores and pricing?

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:40 AM
Lol I am the one that offered lol. I'm from Texas too, not houston though :D horseman is from KS

Doh ! My old age is catching up to me. :(

Flipx99
11-25-2008, 12:42 AM
flipx aren't u the one i converted in the other thread about B&M stores and pricing?

It was a group effort....mainly when I found out that these people are skirting customs taxes that pissed me off. While I still want B&Ms to compete, I don't think they should compete against thieves.

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:42 AM
lol that's funny ya i'm in JC gota lil business when i say lil i mean very lil

sound like the one my buddy had. his was out of a storage shed. well it had running water and toilet and whatnot so i suppose it was more of a garage but i'll still call it a storage shed.:cool:

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:42 AM
ah, i have been wanting to meet up with him however i currently have no money :( however i may have to go to him when i finally decide on my substage


dude we already know ur gonna go ID lol especailly after u listen to the xs. and fyi to all i'm not an id dealer but i think there was a shop here that did pick up id

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:43 AM
crunk times, not flam jam...as much.

You have been absent...too busy tracking down teh scammers.

Just super swamped with clients lately. Between the daily routine of reail and installs, then getting out on the road to visit my dealers, THEN late night calls overseas for those products I import and distribute it leaves me with no time for much. :(


However ...you know I will be back ! I can only let Noah have the lead for so long. Yes I left for a bit to let him catch up. :D

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:44 AM
Doh ! My old age is catching up to me. :(

It's all gravy.
I'm a young buck :)

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:45 AM
dude we already know ur gonna go ID lol especailly after u listen to the xs. and fyi to all i'm not an id dealer but i think there was a shop here that did pick up id

my buddy was an id dealer :( he shut down right before i had a little money to start buying stuff too. it was a bit of a shocker to me :crying:

but yes i do plan to go all id :) I'm very excited to hear my new comps. i keep looking at them sitting in the corner, all alone in their little box waiting to be installed and heard like they should

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:47 AM
my ex bro in law was teh first to carry ID here of course he did it when i wasn't working for him lol that was years ago though now i thinik Wizzards of WAtts here in jc has it they do great work.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 12:48 AM
my buddy was an id dealer :( he shut down right before i had a little money to start buying stuff too. it was a bit of a shocker to me :crying:

but yes i do plan to go all id :) I'm very excited to hear my new comps. i keep looking at them sitting in the corner, all alone in their little box waiting to be installed and heard like they should

But did you buy your IDs from one of these transhippers? :eek:

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:51 AM
But did you buy your IDs from one of these transhippers? :eek:

i bought mine from a guy online and they were used. i dont expect them to have a warranty. if they do cool but if not, if anything goes wrong (which i doubt they will, it's id) i'll pay for it

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:52 AM
But did you buy your IDs from one of these transhippers? :eek:

He got them from Aubrey. Team ID. Used :)
I know because I was going to buy them 2 days after they sold :)
THat's why Iposted on his thread, take care of em :(

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:53 AM
i know who he got them from :( they could have been mine but i already have 2 sets x65 mids don't need a third lol

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:53 AM
He got them from Aubrey. Team ID. Used :)
I know because I was going to buy them 2 days after they sold :)
THat's why Iposted on his thread, take care of em :(

wrong not aubrey someone else :P

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:54 AM
He got them from Aubrey. Team ID. Used :)
I know because I was going to buy them 2 days after they sold :)
THat's why Iposted on his thread, take care of em :(

i did buy them off of a team member but it was not the one you speak of. this guy may or may not be in my sig under refs :)

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:55 AM
wrong not aubrey someone else :P

Sry not him, lol my baada.
Trying to remember who everyone is. Apparently Young age got me :)

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 12:55 AM
i know who he got them from :( they could have been mine but i already have 2 sets x65 mids don't need a third lol

I'm very glad you dont need a third set

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:56 AM
i did buy them off of a team member but it was not the one you speak of. this guy may or may not be in my sig under refs :)

Itz Hertz trust me i know. lol i knew he was sellin' first day they were up. Just didn't have funds :)
Back on topic.
My boy roy can hook me up.

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 12:56 AM
that's a perty amp u got there shane lol

shaneb
11-25-2008, 12:59 AM
that's a perty amp u got there shane lol

:wow: My sig says rebuilding lol?
wonder how you know what amp i'm gonna run....can we pause this thread so i can go to sleep lol. resume tomorrow 5pm central!

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 01:00 AM
Itz Hertz trust me i know. lol i knew he was sellin' first day they were up. Just didn't have funds :)
Back on topic.
My boy roy can hook me up.

only reason i was able to buy them is because i had just sold my old system and had the money(what was left after a few bills) set aside because i was saving up for some chameleons but got really lucky and saw the add at the right time

but yes back on track transhipers ftl

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 01:00 AM
the pic for ur ava maybe? dur

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 01:00 AM
hm beat me to it

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:02 AM
Hmm I wanna put a cool amp in my avatard. :(

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:03 AM
Oooh I know, I could use these ..

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/6spdcoupe/Mikes%20E55%20AMG/IMG_2114.jpg

:D

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:03 AM
I ***** at the pic thing though. :(

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 01:03 AM
Hmm I wanna put a cool amp in my avatard. :(

what speaker is in yours anyway? i was just thinking about sending you a pm to find out

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:04 AM
Morel Supremo 9. These have since been changed though.

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 01:05 AM
show off

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 01:05 AM
Morel Supremo 9. These have since been changed though.

very nice:greedy:

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:06 AM
show off

Nah. :cool:

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:06 AM
The 10" Dyns that are in my doors now look to plain for an avatar. Maybe I can throw my Rainbow Reference mid in there though ..

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/6spdcoupe/refmidbass2.jpg

:D

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 01:08 AM
The 10" Dyns that are in my doors now look to plain for an avatar. Maybe I can throw my Rainbow Reference mid in there though ..


:D

cant you afford nice equipment? ;)

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 01:08 AM
Nah. :cool:

Thought those were your rims.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:09 AM
cant you afford nice equipment? ;)

No, I have to settle for sub par stuffs. :( I dont have the hook up with the 'boi'. :laugh:

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:10 AM
Thought those were your rims.

My rims are small and OEM !

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 01:13 AM
No, I have to settle for sub par stuffs. :( I dont have the hook up with the 'boi'. :laugh:

you need to get some pg rsd's then:wow: ditch your rainbows and throw those in. i have never heard a set of the rsd's but im sure you'll be blown away. they are pretty costly however coming in at a whopping 70 shipped :eek:

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 01:14 AM
My rims are small and OEM !


I know a place down here where you can get rims authorized with warranty.;) I forgot dat person's name, though :confused:

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:14 AM
Lmao !

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:15 AM
I know a place down here where you can get rims authorized with warranty.;) I forgot dat person's name, thought :confused:

buahahahahaha

Chrome painted ? :laugh:

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 01:16 AM
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2227/picture1qg1.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/picture1qg1.png/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img114/picture1qg1.png/1/)

Looks like we have a fan catching up.:p:

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 01:18 AM
*EDIT*Can you find waldo?


was too easy

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 01:19 AM
Can you find "that boy waldo"?

those book use to pi$$ me off sooooooooo much

Horsemanwill
11-25-2008, 01:21 AM
ok i'm not staying up till 1 again watching this thread i'm going to bed you guys have fun lol

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 01:22 AM
those book use to pi$$ me off sooooooooo much

I Have the solutions manual. Got it off FLeABay market, still has the serial numbers too :cool: Can't get them anymore, the source got cutt off for selling unauthorized... all my fault =[ I was just trying to spread good word

Brian_smith06
11-25-2008, 01:22 AM
ok i'm not staying up till 1 again watching this thread i'm going to bed you guys have fun lol

i'm going to type my paper for my accounting class now that was due 2 weeks ago:crap:

Racerx250
11-25-2008, 01:35 AM
But Don, I do believe you tried to sell me some Hertz HSK 165's when I was in the market for them back in July. You were dying to give me any information I requested.

bose301s
11-25-2008, 01:35 AM
Well, just last week lyttleviet offered to sell me a pair of Morel Tempo 6 for $260 shipped, insured and with warranty. I am glad I didn't bite, especially since he said the tweets compete with the Cal 25 and the mids are better than the Germanium mids yet that seems to be a lie.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:38 AM
But Don, I do believe you tried to sell me some Hertz HSK 165's when I was in the market for them back in July. You were dying to give me any information I requested.

You may have me a bit confused there bud. I havent dealt with Hertz since the beginning of the year. Feel free to check ..

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:39 AM
Well, just last week lyttleviet offered to sell me a pair of Morel Tempo 6 for $260 shipped, insured and with warranty. I am glad I didn't bite, especially since he said the tweets compete with the Cal 25 and the mids are better than the Germanium mids yet that seems to be a lie.

LoL CAL25VOF Vs MT-12s? :laugh:

Racerx250
11-25-2008, 01:41 AM
Wait a moment, I do believe you posted that you had Hertz Ml1600 midbass, Ml500R midrange,and ML280S tweeters earlier this year.

Racerx250
11-25-2008, 01:43 AM
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303559

Went back to dyn's?

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:44 AM
Wait a moment, I do believe you posted that you had Hertz Ml1600 midbass, Ml500R midrange,and ML280S tweeters earlier this year.

Never had the 1600. I had the ML500R and 280S in my G35, Last year. Sold the G in October of last year and the 500Rs were in my truck for about a month or two. All of that was bought after CES 2007, not 2008.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:45 AM
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303559

Went back to dyn's?

Yessir. Those were mine in my own personal vehicle. Nothing wrong with that. ;)

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:46 AM
To save you the search I also had a trio of Audison VRxs in my G35 and sold them last fall. ;)

bose301s
11-25-2008, 01:48 AM
I must also say that the Morel driver in 6spdcoupe's ava is absolutely gorgeous.

Racerx250
11-25-2008, 01:52 AM
Well since you said you used these in your vehicle yet you sold em in march 08. But you havent dealt w/ hertz this year?

And you tried to sell me HSK 165's also in july this year.

bose301s
11-25-2008, 01:53 AM
Well since you said you used these in your vehicle yet you sold em in march 08. But you havent dealt w/ hertz this year?

And you tried to sell me HSK 165's also in july this year.

Um, why does any of this matter?

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:56 AM
Well since you said you used these in your vehicle yet you sold em in march 08. But you havent dealt w/ hertz this year?

And you tried to sell me HSK 165's also in july this year.

No I said they were in my truck for a short time. Truck was bought in October 2007 and sold these these this year.

No I havent dealt with Hertz since the beginning of this year is what I said. Feel free to call them and check .. 877-567-3030. Hence the reason why I think you are mistaken.

The ONLY way I would have done such a thing is for a local customer that was upgrading. Similar to how I sold several Arc XXKs earlier this year and late last.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:57 AM
Um, why does any of this matter?

Apparently Roy has sent him to try to catch me 'slipping up'. Dont understand why, but that is what it appears to be. All my info is clear and out there to see.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:59 AM
Never had the 1600. I had the ML500R and 280S in my G35, Last year. Sold the G in October of last year and the 500Rs were in my truck for about a month or two. All of that was bought after CES 2007, not 2008.


Well since you said you used these in your vehicle yet you sold em in march 08. But you havent dealt w/ hertz this year?

And you tried to sell me HSK 165's also in july this year.


Making sense yet?

bose301s
11-25-2008, 02:00 AM
Apparently Roy has sent him to try to catch me 'slipping up'. Dont understand why, but that is what it appears to be. All my info is clear and out there to see.

Ah, I thought you still dealt Hertz products.

As for that, 6spdcoupe has always shown himself to be a standup guy, whereas datboiroy hasn't.

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 02:08 AM
Ah, I thought you still dealt Hertz products.

As for that, 6spdcoupe has always shown himself to be a standup guy, whereas datboiroy hasn't.

I don't know, had him hang up on me a couple times :(

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 02:10 AM
I don't know, had him hang up on me a couple times :(

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


Thats just not fair !! It wasnt my fault !

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 02:10 AM
Ah, I thought you still dealt Hertz products.

As for that, 6spdcoupe has always shown himself to be a standup guy, whereas datboiroy hasn't.

No sir, no more Hertz or Audison.

Thank you for the kind words. :)

bose301s
11-25-2008, 02:14 AM
No sir, no more Hertz or Audison.

Thank you for the kind words. :)

Ah, not that it matters to me, shouldn't be needing anything new for a long time, and if I did, I wouldn't go with Hertz, would try Morel, Dynaudio or Focal more than likely. I really wish B&W made car speakers, I love the sound of their home audio gear and would love to get that sound in my car.

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 02:16 AM
Ah, not that it matters to me, shouldn't be needing anything new for a long time, and if I did, I wouldn't go with Hertz, would try Morel, Dynaudio or Focal more than likely. I really wish B&W made car speakers, I love the sound of their home audio gear and would love to get that sound in my car.

motor home ftw

bose301s
11-25-2008, 02:17 AM
motor home ftw

Haha, but that would not be economical or easy for my 500+ trips to and from school.

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 02:19 AM
Haha, but that would not be economical or easy for my 500+ trips to and from school.

Hmmm, you could rent it out to your peers :cool::greedy:

bose301s
11-25-2008, 02:23 AM
Hmmm, you could rent it out to your peers :cool::greedy:

I see it now:

Step 1: Buy Motor Home
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 02:24 AM
I see it now:

Step 1: Buy Motor Home
Step 2: Take a trip to NJ cause you can and it's cool.
Step 3: Profit

Fixed. :)

bose301s
11-25-2008, 02:25 AM
Fixed. :)

Haha, just as long as you got the original origin of that plan.

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 02:26 AM
Absolutely .... load that thing up and charge accordingly. :D

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 02:34 AM
Absolutely .... load that thing up and charge accordingly. :D

Hey, stop by Houston to get some rims for it as well, $99 HID's, and $250 remote start

bose301s
11-25-2008, 02:35 AM
Hey, stop by Houston to get some rims for it as well, $99 HID's, and $250 remote start

Maybe roy could hook me up with some equipment too.

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 02:38 AM
Maybe roy could hook me up with some equipment too.

Who else would it be?? Wouldn't want anyone else touching my home. I hear the tint is good :cool:

shaneb
11-25-2008, 05:49 AM
Haha guys. Check this out http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5474731#post5474731
He still has one source, that is hookin' him up with some arc and hertz....:sneaky:








DONT COUNT ON IT

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 01:18 PM
You really believe him? I can almost guarantee you that the source is the same place according to serial numbers, just the person shipping may be different or they may not be at all; t's all BS what he's saying and they just want to cover it up with that thread. :rolleyes:

****in' shutting them down, I've had enough of this ****. Chris is hearing from me, AGAIN. I HATE COCKHOLSTERING TRANS-SHIPPERS that LIE and are proud of being ****ing stupid like it's a good thing.:crying:

JL's had problems, DEI had problems, it's a trend, there has to be an end. Changing store names can only go so fukcing far before you can't do business and resort to moving product onfukcingline

6spdcoupe
11-25-2008, 01:20 PM
Why call Chris again? Call Fred.

BASS_WARRIOR
11-25-2008, 01:21 PM
You really believe him? I can almost guarantee you that the source is the same place according to serial numbers, just the person shipping may be different or they may not be at all; t's all BS what he's saying and they just want to cover it up with that thread. :rolleyes:

****in' shutting them down, I've had enough of this ****. Chris is hearing from me, AGAIN. I HATE COCKHOLSTERING TRANS-SHIPPERS that LIE and are proud of being ****ing stupid like it's a good thing.:crying:

JL's had problems, DEI had problems, it's a trend, there has to be an end. Changing store names can only go so fukcing far before you can't do business and resort to moving product onfukcingline

Tell us how you really feel....























lol jk. I agree.

00poop6x
11-25-2008, 01:26 PM
Why call Chris again? Call Fred.

That man is missing in action. A phone call last week and an e-mail this week. No answer yet, I hope he's alright, though.

Oh, and it's not calling him again about this. It's telling him 'i told you so'.

95stroked1500
11-26-2008, 12:13 AM
Haha guys. Check this out http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5474731#post5474731
He still has one source, that is hookin' him up with some arc and hertz....:sneaky:



well, i imagine sound efx might have been getting multiple phone calls informing them of their dealer termination status. i'm making an educated guess that the companies involved made phone calls to each other to make sure they all knew that this one dealer was jacking them.

in that case, the dealer would still have his in store stock to sell off. and at this point, it wouldn't matter how he sold it, because the game is over with those lines anyway.

but there are some lines/ reps that will publicly say "bad dealer we're going to cut you off", but then privately tell him, "keep it on the down low, we can't have this go on in the open".

Spooby
11-26-2008, 11:07 AM
Ain't this a *****. The problem has been known in Houston for a few years now. I've gone so far as to contact the vendors and even the reps themselves on multiple occassions, but to no avail. I'm out of the game for the time being, but hopefully things will be set right.

I don't have any confidence that any of this will stick though.

Flipx99
11-26-2008, 11:22 AM
Fixed. :)

Can't go to NJ, they won't let me keep my shotgun in my truck.

Insane01Passat
11-26-2008, 07:01 PM
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/788/picture1rh2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/picture1rh2.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img185/picture1rh2.jpg/1/)



mmmmm KS amplifiers for $399 each..... wow... looks like I get to make a termination call as well!!!!!! Happy Holidays!!!

99grandprixGT
11-26-2008, 07:02 PM
mmmmm KS amplifiers for $399 each..... wow... looks like I get to make a termination call as well!!!!!! Happy Holidays!!!

lol great thread. and happy holidays to you too.

00poop6x
11-26-2008, 11:10 PM
mmmmm KS amplifiers for $399 each..... wow... looks like I get to make a termination call as well!!!!!! Happy Holidays!!!

There you are! :D

AznrMix88
11-27-2008, 08:18 AM
I've been through threads and watched that guy "JOSH" spew crap about how he is going to buy this and that for ridiculous prices for over a month.. I have yet to see him BUY anything or PROVE that he can get things for these prices..All his items are still "COMING SOON" in his sig and I bet he is just some loser that wants attention. Thats just my .02 cents, I am afterall just a newb :(

Also, I don't know anything about dealers and whatnot but some random member on here that just sends out random stuff saying they can get **** for a certain price can get dealers terminated? If so, I have more powers than I thought! :)

Spooby
11-27-2008, 08:36 AM
Also, I don't know anything about dealers and whatnot but some random member on here that just sends out random stuff saying they can get **** for a certain price can get dealers terminated? If so, I have more powers than I thought! :)

I'd agree with you if that was true. The ones that know aren't just random members of some forum, and there are alot more of them than you may think.

redfred18t
11-27-2008, 09:23 AM
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I find it interesting D-Boy, that you are a student and have no job, yet your signature on Houston Imports offers a phone number to Stereo EFX in Houston!

Looks like I get to make a dealer termination call tomorrow.

Image Dynamics FTW!

Spooby
11-27-2008, 09:27 AM
Image Dynamics FTW!

Check back in 6 months and see if anything actually happened.

S.B.C.
11-27-2008, 09:33 AM
mmmmm KS amplifiers for $399 each..... wow... looks like I get to make a termination call as well!!!!!! Happy Holidays!!!

:veryhapp::veryhapp::veryhapp:

mykvr6
11-30-2008, 01:40 AM
Check back in 6 months and see if anything actually happened.

what up Nam? Been awhile, I was looking around on here and found this thread. Funny. This **** has been going round and round for awhile. I know a lot of the parties involved. You are right though, check back in a minute and see if anything has changed. Funny how Sean comes on here and talks about making a termination call, yet I know for a fact this ain't the first time he's heard about any of this. Him or Jim. We'll see. Fact is, I think in this economy they are happy they are moving product and turn the other cheek at a lot of this stuff. Plenty of whoring going in Houston - and has been for years from many places. I know guys on both sides of the problem so I don't get too involved. I'm out of the game except as an enthusiast, but it still irks me to see it going on.

shaneb
11-30-2008, 01:48 AM
I've been through threads and watched that guy "JOSH" spew crap about how he is going to buy this and that for ridiculous prices for over a month.. I have yet to see him BUY anything or PROVE that he can get things for these prices..All his items are still "COMING SOON" in his sig and I bet he is just some loser that wants attention. Thats just my .02 cents, I am afterall just a newb :(

Also, I don't know anything about dealers and whatnot but some random member on here that just sends out random stuff saying they can get **** for a certain price can get dealers terminated? If so, I have more powers than I thought! :)

Not how it worked. It wasn't a random member, it was employees at the shop.
And there were larger people at work, nothing that happend here was random. Trust me.

Spooby
12-01-2008, 02:44 AM
what up Nam? Been awhile, I was looking around on here and found this thread. Funny. This **** has been going round and round for awhile. I know a lot of the parties involved. You are right though, check back in a minute and see if anything has changed. Funny how Sean comes on here and talks about making a termination call, yet I know for a fact this ain't the first time he's heard about any of this. Him or Jim. We'll see. Fact is, I think in this economy they are happy they are moving product and turn the other cheek at a lot of this stuff. Plenty of whoring going in Houston - and has been for years from many places. I know guys on both sides of the problem so I don't get too involved. I'm out of the game except as an enthusiast, but it still irks me to see it going on.


Sup Mike. How's the school thing going?

AND yes you are right. This has been going on for a few years now and nothing has ever been done. Even when the economy was fine it didn't matter. In fact I have had many long conversations about this with the very brands in this thread, and a few more that haven't been mention (yet). In the end I woke up and understood it is all about the numbers.

Image Dynamics
12-01-2008, 01:41 PM
what up Nam? Been awhile, I was looking around on here and found this thread. Funny. This **** has been going round and round for awhile. I know a lot of the parties involved. You are right though, check back in a minute and see if anything has changed. Funny how Sean comes on here and talks about making a termination call, yet I know for a fact this ain't the first time he's heard about any of this. Him or Jim. We'll see. Fact is, I think in this economy they are happy they are moving product and turn the other cheek at a lot of this stuff. Plenty of whoring going in Houston - and has been for years from many places. I know guys on both sides of the problem so I don't get too involved. I'm out of the game except as an enthusiast, but it still irks me to see it going on.


Mykvr6,

You are correct about knowing about this for some time. I believe that people should have the opportunity to "modify" their misdirected ways. Call it a second chance or even a 3 strike policy. This dealer has been warned on several occasions and apparently has opted not to listen or give a crap. The termination letter has been sent and already received. He is currently on other forums spewing at the mouth about it too.
I feel better terminating one dealer than losing credibility with all of my other dealers because I looked the other way. This is called integrity!

Megalomaniac
12-01-2008, 08:25 PM
interesting thread. This has been a great Monday. Will there be any legal actions taken for the unauthorized sales?

GreekGuy
12-01-2008, 08:55 PM
I'm confused. What did he actually do wrong? Is the only thing they're doing wrong is shipping stuff?

JL Audio
12-01-2008, 08:58 PM
interesting thread. This has been a great Monday. Will there be any legal actions taken for the unauthorized sales?

I would only hope, cause I just got a few packs of popcorn. :D

x2o
12-01-2008, 08:58 PM
I would only hope, cause I just got a few packs of popcorn. :D

:popcorn:

I'll join you!:D

Vestax
12-01-2008, 08:59 PM
Oh boy EPIC threads FTW, it's not even Friday yet!!!!!! HAHAHAAHA

First it was Ellie the ugly girl, then the wedding couple, and now this!! LMFAO :D

Megalomaniac
12-01-2008, 09:00 PM
I'm confused. What did he actually do wrong? Is the only thing they're doing wrong is shipping stuff?

he is pushing product online with warranty. His dealer contract specifically says he cant do that unless he knows the person on a personal basis.

GreekGuy
12-01-2008, 09:05 PM
he is pushing product online with warranty. His dealer contract specifically says he cant do that unless he knows the person on a personal basis.

But if I go to his store is that still okay? And I'll get my warranty correct?

Megalomaniac
12-01-2008, 09:07 PM
But if I go to his store is that still okay? And I'll get my warranty correct?

good luck, they are no longer dealers for ID and Arc now. :p:

but to answer your question, if they are a dealer and you physically walk in the store to buy a product you are covered.

GreekGuy
12-01-2008, 09:11 PM
good luck, they are no longer dealers for ID and Arc now. :p:

but to answer your question, if they are a dealer and you physically walk in the store to buy a product you are covered.

I'm not going there for ID or Arc. Thanks for the help.

So are places like OnlineCarStereo.com and WoofersETC.com doing the same thing by selling products like this without warranties?

Megalomaniac
12-01-2008, 09:46 PM
I'm not going there for ID or Arc. Thanks for the help.

So are places like OnlineCarStereo.com and WoofersETC.com doing the same thing by selling products like this without warranties?

yep. only few of their products are authorized.

be sure not to buy Zapco from woofersETC. serials be sometimes scratched off.

squeak9798
12-01-2008, 09:52 PM
I'm not going there for ID or Arc. Thanks for the help.

So are places like OnlineCarStereo.com and WoofersETC.com doing the same thing by selling products like this without warranties?

:fyi:

Woofersetc.com is an authorized online Image Dynamics dealer.

Vestax
12-01-2008, 10:04 PM
It's a very simple equation, really.

Excellent company->
excellent products->
poor Dealer selection->
trans-shipping->
decreased quantity of honest, legit dealers->
decreased business for excellent company->
company must maintain livable profit margin->
company has a choice to lower build quality on products->
you now receive 'not as they used to be' products.

ID is one of a few companies doing things right (cutting trans-shipping, monitoring internet sales) and that's why they spit out top quality products that you all (end-user) enjoy. Arc as well. Memphis. Boston. Morel. DD. Elettromedia.--just a few examples.

This should be quoted a few times for people who don't work for the industry and also like to put in 2 cents in a thread where they don't have to.

GreekGuy
12-02-2008, 12:12 AM
yep. only few of their products are authorized.

be sure not to buy Zapco from woofersETC. serials be sometimes scratched off.

Yeah, that's what I figured. I bought an Alpine PDX-1.600 from OnlineCarStereo.com and when I received it, it didn't have a serial number on it and there was a slight scratch on the back side. It worked fine, but yeah, there was no way to get it warrantied.

Thanks for the help man.

mykvr6
12-02-2008, 01:14 AM
Mykvr6,

You are correct about knowing about this for some time. I believe that people should have the opportunity to "modify" their misdirected ways. Call it a second chance or even a 3 strike policy. This dealer has been warned on several occasions and apparently has opted not to listen or give a crap. The termination letter has been sent and already received. He is currently on other forums spewing at the mouth about it too.
I feel better terminating one dealer than losing credibility with all of my other dealers because I looked the other way. This is called integrity!

well I'll give you that...and I'll leave it at that. 2-3 however many strikes it takes. Like I said I know the owner and mean no ill will, and I'm not hatin' or looking to bring anybody down. But I also have been around long enough to know how all this will end up when everyone is racing to undercut each other on price. In the end NO ONE makes any money and eventually the product starts to suffer as well.

I do hope you guys over at ID stay vigilant though. I've been a fan since back when Audio Designs was the only place anywhere near Houston that carried ID and people had no idea who ID was when i said I had two IDQ12's in my Toyota Xcab truck.

James Bang
12-02-2008, 01:06 PM
puahahahahahahahaha

this thread is great.

Image Dynamics
12-02-2008, 01:07 PM
well I'll give you that...and I'll leave it at that. 2-3 however many strikes it takes. Like I said I know the owner and mean no ill will, and I'm not hatin' or looking to bring anybody down. But I also have been around long enough to know how all this will end up when everyone is racing to undercut each other on price. In the end NO ONE makes any money and eventually the product starts to suffer as well.

I do hope you guys over at ID stay vigilant though. I've been a fan since back when Audio Designs was the only place anywhere near Houston that carried ID and people had no idea who ID was when i said I had two IDQ12's in my Toyota Xcab truck.


Mykvr6,

Understand this (with no disrespect), there is a new sheriff in town (to sound corny). Trust me when I say this, things have changed at ID for the better. If you would like to discuss in further detail, feel free to call me or e-mail me.

James Bang
12-02-2008, 01:11 PM
is it true that Dan is no longer there Sean?