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MikeyB
11-18-2008, 06:45 PM
I cant seem to settle on what Im going to do with my front stage. I need some opinions before I start buying more stuff or something.

Right now Ive got a pair of ID OEM 6.5's sitting in each door. Only one set is hooked up and Im running them active with my tweets. Still waiting to finish the trunk and get the sub in.

Now, Ive decided to run a 3-way active front stage and try and run my sub amp off of a line-out converter utilizing the crossover on the amp.

So, originally I was just going to run my front set of ID's as the mid-range, other set as the mid-bass. But, I figured why not just put a set of mid-ranges in place and use a pair of ID's in each door as my mid-bass. Or only use one per door.

I dunno, I think I might put a set of mid-ranges up front, probably a 5 or 6 inch, then glass in another ring behind the mid and run a pair of mids in each door.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/MikeyB88/Mids024.jpg

How it is right now.

Opinions?

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:15 PM
This what Ive been looking at to use for a mid-range. Im just unsure of what size to go with.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-370
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-378
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-372
http://www.parts-express.com/images/item_large/295-372_L.jpg

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:17 PM
So basically, should I bother running a 'pair' of mids per door, with my mid-range, or just use one per door?

At this point since I have the mids I think Im going to use them.

I just need to settle on a set of mid-ranges.

Brian_smith06
11-18-2008, 07:20 PM
i would say less is more, however im no expert with sq cases yet(still learning)

i would say having that much mid range maybe too much for that little mid bass

speedfreak28
11-18-2008, 07:22 PM
IF you wanna do a 3 way i'd do a 3.5 and your tweet on your a pillars.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:27 PM
i would say less is more, however im no expert with sq cases yet(still learning)

i would say having that much mid range maybe too much for that little mid bass

Well Im not focusing strictly on SQ with this, its more SQL. However, at this point it would seem like I have more mid-bass then mid-range.


IF you wanna do a 3 way i'd do a 3.5 and your tweet on your a pillars.

Thats something else I was considering, but I dont have room in my pillars at all for something like that.

reed dollaz
11-18-2008, 07:28 PM
for 3-way id go 7", 4", and tweeter. if you cant find a 7, then do 6.5, 3.5, tweet

bad @SS chevy
11-18-2008, 07:29 PM
for 3-way id go 7", 4", and tweeter. if you cant find a 7, then do 6.5, 3.5, tweet

last person on the forum that you should listen to.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:31 PM
for 3-way id go 7", 4", and tweeter. if you cant find a 7, then do 6.5, 3.5, tweet

Ive already got two sets of 6.5 mids. They will be used for my mid-bass, whether I decide to use both sets or not.

Im just trying to decide on the size mid-range to use if Im running a set of mid-bass per door. Ive been leaning towards the Dayton RS150 if a 6" would be a good idea or not....

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:31 PM
last person on the forum that you should listen to.

Dont worry. ;)

stuckinok
11-18-2008, 07:31 PM
meh on a active 3-way.....

Just get a low playing tweet if you feel the need...

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:33 PM
If I was running a single set of mid-bass' I would probably run a 4" mid-range....but if Ive got another set of mids I feel I need to up the mid-range.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:34 PM
meh on a active 3-way.....

Just get a low playing tweet if you feel the need...

The whole reason for going 3-way with this is to be able to run a dedicated mid-bass with how I have my doors setup.

mlstrass
11-18-2008, 07:34 PM
2 mids and a tweet work fine in my set up, so give that a try first. Just need a tweet that will drop down to 2.5Kz or so...

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:36 PM
2 mids and a tweet work fine in my set up, so give that a try first. Just need a tweet that will drop down to 2.5Kz or so...

That was my original plan. But since I glassed the mids off axis I cant go that route, I tried cramming in two sets last minute and it didnt work out. Im trying to just avoid redoing anything.

speedfreak28
11-18-2008, 07:38 PM
2 mids and a tweet work fine in my set up, so give that a try first. Just need a tweet that will drop down to 2.5Kz or so...

can you recommend a couple tweets that fit the bill? Im actually gonna be runnig 2 sets of these active on some audison amps(sorry for the thread jack)

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:39 PM
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MikeyB
11-18-2008, 07:41 PM
The whole reason for going 3-way with this is to be able to run a dedicated mid-bass with how I have my doors setup.

Its either that or leaving it how it is and running the front mids as the mid-range. But, the whole idea once I got into it was to have an exaggerated mid-bass and low-end.

Horsemanwill
11-18-2008, 08:03 PM
keep those runnin as your mids and slap some horns under the dash :D

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 08:07 PM
keep those runnin as your mids and slap some horns under the dash :D

Definitely no room for that lol

James Bang
11-18-2008, 08:14 PM
any possible way to seal the slanted midranges from the rest of the door?

if so, seal them up and use those for midrange (ones furthest from you)

OR

you can keep those for midbass and add midranges in the kicks.

mcsoul
11-18-2008, 08:21 PM
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e104/VereChronicus/PICT0182.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e104/VereChronicus/PICT0184.jpg

not my install, just to give you an idea of what's possible on A-pillars.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 08:23 PM
any possible way to seal the slanted midranges from the rest of the door?

if so, seal them up and use those for midrange (ones furthest from you)

OR

you can keep those for midbass and add midranges in the kicks.

Yes, that is the plan. Im just looking to pull those ones that are currently in, and adding them in behind the other ones. That way the set that is flat on the door will be the mid-bass. Then the slanted ones will be the mid-range and will be sealed off.

Thats what stinks though with these cars. There is absolutely NO room in the kicks or under the dash, due to the design. But I do have lots of room with the door panels since the doors are so **** big.

cx-7heaven
11-18-2008, 08:24 PM
Use the hole that is more in the middle of the door for your midbass, and make an adapter to fit a 4 inch mid in the holes facing up. I assume that you have them more on axis. Put the tweeter with the 4 inch mid, best would be mounted coaxially, in a point source fashion, that will equalize the pathlengths from the tweet and the mid. If you cant mount coaxially, put it right next to the mid, test the locations for best results.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 08:27 PM
not my install, just to give you an idea of what's possible on A-pillars.

Thanks for the pic.

I just dont really want to get crazy with the a-pillars. I want to keep them as simple and low profile as possible.

Ive got some room there, but I would really start running into visibility issues in the drivers seat with anything crazy going on.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/MikeyB88/Glass021.jpg

Pretty much the whole limiting factor with space up front is the dash. The design of it wraps around the driver and is pretty huge. Im a big fan of it though, one of the main reasons Ive had 2 of these cars.

Once a set of legs is under there it leaves me with pretty much no kick.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 08:31 PM
Use the hole that is more in the middle of the door for your midbass, and make an adapter to fit a 4 inch mid in the holes facing up. I assume that you have them more on axis. Put the tweeter with the 4 inch mid, best would be mounted coaxially, in a point source fashion, that will equalize the pathlengths from the tweet and the mid. If you cant mount coaxially, put it right next to the mid, test the locations for best results.

Ive actually found a very nice balance with the tweeters in my stage so far. They do pretty nicely in the a-pillars, although I might be able to get more out of them if I play with the positioning some more.

Thats another thing I need recommendations on though is a good set of tweets for my a-pillars.

Thats the plan for the mid-range though. Im going to make a flush adapter for the driver I choose to use.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 08:34 PM
So Im back to my guiding question.

Should I run all 4 of my 6.5" ID OEMs as mid-bass, by glassing in another set of rings behind the back ones on the doors?

And if so, what size mid-range should I put up front?

Or

Should I run 2 of my 6.5" ID OEM's as mid-bass.

With a 4" Mid-range up front.

mcsoul
11-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Throw a 4" and a tweeter in each 6.5" angle pod.
Sell the extra 6.5", put the money towards something
better than Dayton 4" mids.

I'd probably crossover at 500-700hz and 4500-5000hz.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 09:04 PM
Throw a 4" and a tweeter in each 6.5" angle pod.
Sell the extra 6.5", put the money towards something
better than Dayton 4" mids.

I'd probably crossover at 500-700hz and 4500-5000hz.

Im just kinda set on using all these **** mids just because I have them. If I have to I could always turn them down?

What do you think I should do then for the mid-range?

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 09:06 PM
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/MikeyB88/Front010.jpg

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 09:21 PM
Im thinking about something like this....

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6554/mids024copycf8.jpg

joshualittle
11-18-2008, 09:28 PM
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3565 these brax look pretty sweet

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 09:30 PM
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6879/mids024copy2bh3.jpg

?

Not too sure on the 500hz though.

joshualittle
11-18-2008, 09:31 PM
Posted the wrong link, sorry I meant to post the midbass.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 09:36 PM
Posted the wrong link, sorry I meant to post the midbass.

I have mid-bass!!! I have 4 of them.

I need mid-ranges.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 09:48 PM
Mid-bass might be more like 50hz-200hz or something. I dunno, I would have to play with them.

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MikeyB
11-18-2008, 09:51 PM
Maybe Ill start searching for a suitable 5" mid-range...

cx-7heaven
11-18-2008, 10:36 PM
I wouldnt go with anything higher than a 4 for the mid, when running a 6.5 for bass.

James Bang
11-18-2008, 10:42 PM
Maybe try some luccent 6.5"s for midrange in the kicks.. 2" mounting depth would give you plenty of room to play w/.

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 10:42 PM
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4999
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4996

I think this is my wishlist^

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 10:44 PM
Maybe try some luccent 6.5"s for midrange in the kicks.. 2" mounting depth would give you plenty of room to play w/.

All I can do is stick em in the angled spots glassed in the door panels. :crap:

I really cant sacrifise anything in the kicks. :(

MikeyB
11-18-2008, 10:46 PM
I wouldnt go with anything higher than a 4 for the mid, when running a 6.5 for bass.

I agree, but Im going to be running dual sets of 6.5's. Im really thinking about the CX-54. It would fit in perfectly for what Im doing. If I can make that work?

mcsoul
11-19-2008, 12:11 PM
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4999
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4996

I think this is my wishlist^

I approve :)

I would listen to it with only one 6.5" midbass first, then add
the second one.

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 12:56 PM
I approve :)

I would listen to it with only one 6.5" midbass first, then add
the second one.
Yeah looks good to me, just gotta hunt down some 54s

FoxPro5
11-19-2008, 03:12 PM
What do you have to process all of this?

Just an fyi, but I could go to Walmart right now and buy the cheapest speakers they sell, install them in my car, set them up optimally and my car would sound 10x better than yours........even if you had 10x's more expensive drivers in your car. Why would this be??

Pl8er
11-19-2008, 03:16 PM
What do you have to process all of this?

Just an fyi, but I could go to Walmart right now and buy the cheapest speakers they sell, install them in my car, set them up optimally and my car would sound 10x better than yours........even if you had 10x's more expensive drivers in your car. Why would this be??

So how many times have you won the SQ championship in the last 5 years? Should be everytime with your qualifications.

FoxPro5
11-19-2008, 03:23 PM
So how many times have you won the SQ championship in the last 5 years? Should be everytime with your qualifications.

47 times. It's a good record. Those are WORLD titles, too. I fly my car around on my own private plane.

Point is: if you don't have a) the processing power which enables you to make 7 different speakers sound as ONE 2) or the experience to maximize the install (locations, aiming, etc)........

Then the LAST thing to worry about is which drivers to buy.

:)

Pl8er
11-19-2008, 03:44 PM
47 times. It's a good record. Those are WORLD titles, too. I fly my car around on my own private plane.

Point is: if you don't have a) the processing power which enables you to make 7 different speakers sound as ONE 2) or the experience to maximize the install (locations, aiming, etc)........

Then the LAST thing to worry about is which drivers to buy.

:)

I couldn't agree with you more. But saying that your going to outperform someone with wal-mart equipment is just wrong. Unless your seriously a pro, the equipment does make a difference.

FoxPro5
11-19-2008, 03:50 PM
I couldn't agree with you more. But saying that your going to outperform someone with wal-mart equipment is just wrong. Unless your seriously a pro, the equipment does make a difference.

Nope, pretty confident I could smoke this guy. :p:

Why don't you tell him the point of no return then, if you're so confident in the equipment choice making that much of a difference for him.

As a sidebar, anyone know what Mark Eldridge uses in his car for speakers? And *gasp* oh nose....he doesn't even use extreme SQ amps!!!!!!!! :eek:

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 04:16 PM
What do you have to process all of this?

Just an fyi, but I could go to Walmart right now and buy the cheapest speakers they sell, install them in my car, set them up optimally and my car would sound 10x better than yours........even if you had 10x's more expensive drivers in your car. Why would this be??

An Alpine 9887. It will handle everything for the front stage aside from the high-pass for the mid-bass and the low-pass for the sub. Those of which I will have to control with the filters on their respective amps.


Nope, pretty confident I could smoke this guy. :p:

Why don't you tell him the point of no return then, if you're so confident in the equipment choice making that much of a difference for him.

As a sidebar, anyone know what Mark Eldridge uses in his car for speakers? And *gasp* oh nose....he doesn't even use extreme SQ amps!!!!!!!! :eek:

Cool, go **** on someone elses thread.

KTHXBYE!

:bigwave:

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 04:20 PM
The funniest thing is its supposed to sound to MY liking not anyone elses.....I could care less if someone else could make it sound better than me...you know why?

Because this is my first timing diving into this end of the pool. I dont expect to be able to do this better than anybody.

Im coming HERE for help. If I want to run a set of **** mid-bass' because I can, then I will. I dont give a **** what anyone else thinks about it, as long as Im happy with it.

I dont spend all the **** $$$$ I have on stuff like this for other people...Im sorry.

:crap:

And so far Im very happy with what I have setup. To me personally it sounds great.

speedfreak28
11-19-2008, 04:25 PM
yea dude came in here sounding like a pompous ********, how about offering advice instead of acting like a 10 year old;)

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 04:35 PM
Yeah I would much rather get some advice on what Im doing rather than getting reamed about not knowing what to do.

Im a noob when it comes to 'active' in general. This has been my first time messing with the 3-way setup on my deck and everything.

Im not expert and Im definitely not claiming to be.

ME = SQ N00b

:fyi:

James Bang
11-19-2008, 05:02 PM
Fox knows his **** and is against spoon feeding. most of his post will point you in the right direction, but it's still up to you to walk the path.

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 05:05 PM
Fox knows his **** and is against spoon feeding. most of his post will point you in the right direction, but it's still up to you to walk the path.

:laugh:

I know he knows he ****. Im just sick of getting **** on just because Im new to this.

I would be more than happy to kiss someones *** for some information.

:bowdown:

James Bang
11-19-2008, 05:24 PM
initiation.

bend over for the paddle.

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 05:29 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y151/wjd/paddle.jpg

dragnix
11-19-2008, 05:31 PM
SQ people are rather cocky

James Bang
11-19-2008, 05:36 PM
SQ people are rather cocky

i guess they don't need big subs to make up for it.

mokedaddy
11-19-2008, 05:40 PM
SQ people are rather cocky

I wouldnt say necessarily cocky but most of them have years of experience and after that amount of time in this industry you tend to get a little worn out by so many know it all noobs. (not saying the op or even anyone in this thread, just saying....)

But if you really are building a sq car, i would redo the door panels and start from scratch. Placement and installation is much more important than drivers. I think we can all agree on this. From there you will most likely need to test multiple placements and compare. Then start building. Then tweak. Then start over with new drivers....

See why it can wear on people? :)

dragnix
11-19-2008, 05:41 PM
i guess they don't need big subs to make up for it.

If that's what crosses your mind, then you have more of a problem than i do.

Vestax
11-19-2008, 05:45 PM
If that's what crosses your mind, then you have more of a problem than i do.

That he understands more about sound quality than you do? :confused:

FoxPro5
11-19-2008, 05:46 PM
MikeB - the point of my posts is to let you know that tuning your system to sound halfway decent will be a nightmare without some powerful DSP at your fingertips. Anyone can add a dedicated midbass, but to get it to sound correct (like you have litterally one speaker beyond the center of your windshield that spans from pillar to pillar) it a TOTALLY different story.

Think I haven't been there? Why do you think I say these things? ;)

The title of your post was "opinions from SQ bisches". Is it that i'm not enough of a "bisch" for you? :(

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 05:47 PM
I wouldnt say necessarily cocky but most of them have years of experience and after that amount of time in this industry you tend to get a little worn out by so many know it all noobs. (not saying the op or even anyone in this thread, just saying....)

But if you really are building a sq car, i would redo the door panels and start from scratch. Placement and installation is much more important than drivers. I think we can all agree on this. From there you will most likely need to test multiple placements and compare. Then start building. Then tweak. Then start over with new drivers....

See why it can wear on people? :)

I completely understand.

Dont worry though, it isnt going to be anywhere near a sq car or anything. Its just a personal 'sql' oriented setup for my tastes. Im building it to look cool, be functional and impress. At some point I would like to take it out to some local shows just for fun.

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 05:49 PM
MikeB - the point of my posts is to let you know that tuning your system to sound halfway decent will be a nightmare without some powerful DSP at your fingertips. Anyone can add a dedicated midbass, but to get it to sound correct (like you have litterally one speaker beyond the center of your windshield that spans from pillar to pillar) it a TOTALLY different story.

Think I haven't been there? Why do you think I say these things? ;)

I understand and I trust what you say is true. After listening to what other members have told me so far thats really how it is getting to sound now. Im very happy with it. But it would **** to loose that balance by throwing in all the mid-bass.

Well then.....what should I do?

FoxPro5
11-19-2008, 05:51 PM
Im very happy with it.


Well then.....what should I do?


Im very happy with it.

Nothing.

mokedaddy
11-19-2008, 05:56 PM
If its just for you I personally would use your existing speakers for right now as mid/midbass. Have both on each side crossed the same and play with the settings for awhile. Not saying a couple of hours but weeks, or months. Get it to where you think you cant get it to sound any better, then and only then would I worry about adding 3 way active up front.

Your case is a little different since you want to use your existing pods (which look really nice btw) so its not a completely clean slate which is usually easier to jump into something as intensive as up front three way active. Start small and work your way up. You will be happier and much less frustrated.

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Nothing.

Lol, well Im saying with where Im at. Im only running a single set of mids (the ones angled at me) and my tweets in my a-pillars. Only half-way done. :(


If its just for you I personally would use your existing speakers for right now as mid/midbass. Have both on each side crossed the same and play with the settings for awhile. Not saying a couple of hours but weeks, or months. Get it to where you think you cant get it to sound any better, then and only then would I worry about adding 3 way active up front.

Your case is a little different since you want to use your existing pods (which look really nice btw) so its not a completely clean slate which is usually easier to jump into something as intensive as up front three way active. Start small and work your way up. You will be happier and much less frustrated.

After driving around with what I have for the past month Ive really gotten it sounding good thanks to the advice I got on tuning it.

After initially running dual mids though I really want that mid-bass back. :crap:

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 06:31 PM
Well, to be completely honest, I just went ran up to the store and upon looking over my work with my doors....I really just dont want to change the look at all.

I think Im just going to run with what I have now as a mid-range/mid-bass.

Once I vinyl the doors they are just going to look too cool imo.

mokedaddy
11-19-2008, 06:32 PM
It wont hurt to try it. :)

MikeyB
11-19-2008, 06:34 PM
It wont hurt to try it. :)

:thumbupw:

dftnz7
11-22-2008, 01:42 AM
why not go with a compact dome style midrange that will take up basically no room? They generally are efficient too, and won't require the effort and space a woofer will.

headless
11-22-2008, 01:44 PM
Dude, for the amount of money and effort you have put into this, you could have just bought a single component set and had it installed correctly in the first place. Don't bother with 3 way dual midbass setups; you just end up spending more on the speakers and more on the amps and after all that you're screwed because you don't have the processing to T/A and EQ all of those speakers independently - which you need to, if you do anything like you took a picture of. If you want crazy midbass... You're talking about 300$ just for the speakers you linked above, plus amping those channels, plus your existing tweeters, amps...

Just go buy a set of rainbow power line cs or vanadiums, or a set of comparable quality, and be done with it. T/A the tweets and woofers and get them installed properly, and you will have gobs of midbass and good SQ for a flat price and 4 channels of amping. If you are looking for an SQ install, 'trying to avoid re-doing anything' is not going to serve your purposes; it'll simply result in a hacked together installation that leaves much to be desired.

Megalomaniac
11-22-2008, 02:39 PM
Dude, for the amount of money and effort you have put into this, you could have just bought a single component set and had it installed correctly in the first place. Don't bother with 3 way dual midbass setups; you just end up spending more on the speakers and more on the amps and after all that you're screwed because you don't have the processing to T/A and EQ all of those speakers independently - which you need to, if you do anything like you took a picture of. If you want crazy midbass... You're talking about 300$ just for the speakers you linked above, plus amping those channels, plus your existing tweeters, amps...

Just go buy a set of rainbow power line cs or vanadiums, or a set of comparable quality, and be done with it. T/A the tweets and woofers and get them installed properly, and you will have gobs of midbass and good SQ for a flat price and 4 channels of amping. If you are looking for an SQ install, 'trying to avoid re-doing anything' is not going to serve your purposes; it'll simply result in a hacked together installation that leaves much to be desired.

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bass_lover1
11-22-2008, 04:52 PM
For a second I thought that was Polish, then realized that you hang from the ceiling like a bat.

MikeyB
11-22-2008, 09:42 PM
Dude, for the amount of money and effort you have put into this, you could have just bought a single component set and had it installed correctly in the first place. Don't bother with 3 way dual midbass setups; you just end up spending more on the speakers and more on the amps and after all that you're screwed because you don't have the processing to T/A and EQ all of those speakers independently - which you need to, if you do anything like you took a picture of. If you want crazy midbass... You're talking about 300$ just for the speakers you linked above, plus amping those channels, plus your existing tweeters, amps...

Just go buy a set of rainbow power line cs or vanadiums, or a set of comparable quality, and be done with it. T/A the tweets and woofers and get them installed properly, and you will have gobs of midbass and good SQ for a flat price and 4 channels of amping. If you are looking for an SQ install, 'trying to avoid re-doing anything' is not going to serve your purposes; it'll simply result in a hacked together installation that leaves much to be desired.

Yes I do have some money tied up into this stuff, but at this point its worth every penny. Im always changing stuff around and trying new things so its pretty common with me.

This is how Im looking at it though. I mean, originally it was just going to be basic 3-way active, and a learning experience at that. Now, I will still have all the same control over the tweets and the mid-range/mid-bass, since Im basically just dropping the sub out of the picture as far as my processing is concerned.

Ill have the same control over the mid-bass as the tweets and the mid-range.....other than high-passing them, and I also loose my low-pass for my sub. Both of those can be handled at the amps though.

I think I have suitable processing to at least half-*** a 4-way setup.

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MikeyB
11-22-2008, 09:49 PM
Dude, for the amount of money and effort you have put into this, you could have just bought a single component set and had it installed correctly in the first place. Don't bother with 3 way dual midbass setups; you just end up spending more on the speakers and more on the amps and after all that you're screwed because you don't have the processing to T/A and EQ all of those speakers independently - which you need to, if you do anything like you took a picture of. If you want crazy midbass... You're talking about 300$ just for the speakers you linked above, plus amping those channels, plus your existing tweeters, amps...

Just go buy a set of rainbow power line cs or vanadiums, or a set of comparable quality, and be done with it. T/A the tweets and woofers and get them installed properly, and you will have gobs of midbass and good SQ for a flat price and 4 channels of amping. If you are looking for an SQ install, 'trying to avoid re-doing anything' is not going to serve your purposes; it'll simply result in a hacked together installation that leaves much to be desired.

No no no......Im sorry but thats just not gonna fly for me. Never in this thread did I say this is supposed to be some crazy 'SQ' install that is supposed to create world peace....

I really appreciate everyone's input though, it has helped me out immensely. I think I will be happy with what Im going to try and do, but who knows. If I am happy it will only be for a short time anyways and Ill be ripping it all out before I know it and doing something different....its the name of the game for me.....I like to build, listen, and destroy...

Give it some time and Im sure you will see me on here posting up something new Ill try.