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Lizardking
11-16-2008, 02:59 PM
What do most of you use to glue them in place? I've read that super glue doesn't work sometimes. What about liquid nails? Surely that would work?

carguy83
11-16-2008, 03:12 PM
superglue...

just prep the metal before you apply the pads. i got mine in about 2-3 yrs ago and have no issues with it.

Lizardking
11-16-2008, 03:16 PM
I have my doors deadened in about two layers. Do I need to remove that (just for the pad area) or could I just put the pad on top of the deadening material and glue it in place?

FoxPro5
11-16-2008, 03:17 PM
Anything, really. They come with super glue. I've used spray glue.

Thing is, you need to clean the back of those well as they're coated with some type of surfactant. Acetone, perhaps.

Put it right on the back of your deadener. Clean it up, put some glue on it and the back of the pad and secure it so that it doesn't slide off while the glue works up.

carguy83
11-16-2008, 03:18 PM
you can just put the pad on top of the deadening. i don't see there being an issue with the deflex on top of the deadening. does the deadening have a foil backing?

Lizardking
11-16-2008, 03:19 PM
Thanks, I figured liquid nails would work...lol. I've never used it but have been reading up on the deflex pad. Figured for $20 bucks why not try it.

Yes, the deadening has voil backing...I used fatmat and B-quiet both...

Lizardking
11-16-2008, 03:20 PM
double post...

00poop6x
11-17-2008, 01:19 AM
It cannot hurt if installed correctly. I know I was satisfied with the results when I added them in.

Ignatowski
11-17-2008, 07:54 AM
waste of money --usless peice of rubber

UndercoverPunk
11-17-2008, 08:47 AM
excelerater... do elaborate on a more effective method of what these pieces of **** are meant to accomplish.

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 08:53 AM
i'm on the verge of buying some too. Since i won't be keeping that car for a long time, i figured out that deflex pads could be remove and reinstal, right?

what place to buy them, any difference in brand ? does it help out midbass or not?

ps: my doors are dedeaned, only one layer of dynamat extrem tough...

UndercoverPunk
11-17-2008, 08:54 AM
Well, according to excelerater they don't do a ******* thing, so no brand doesn't matter at all.

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 08:56 AM
where are you buying your's?

FoxPro5
11-17-2008, 09:10 AM
waste of money --usless peice of rubber

Yes, yes.....teach us oh wise one.

Megalomaniac
11-17-2008, 09:25 AM
waste of money --usless peice of rubber


WRONG! I installed a pair in my car few weeks ago. I was able to bring my mids down a full octave without any breakup(50hz now).


edit: I used 3M High 90 to glue them. I sprayed the panel where I was going to glue, then I sprayed the back of the pad. waited about 1 minute before sticking it on. its a hit or miss, i had kind of roll my pad to fit into the door through the baffle and you get only 1 shot to line it perfect, cause once it sticks on its a ***** to take off especially when its real tacky

edit2: i dont think they are worth $20, they are a peice of rubber. I would not spend more than $10 on them if I had a choice. I bought my set from mr.marv for $5

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 09:42 AM
someone got some for sell? or where to buy them? i don't want to spend the big bucks on rubber...

Megalomaniac
11-17-2008, 10:06 AM
http://www.madisound.com

search for "Deflex" where it says search store.

or

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=268-242

or

http://www.secondskinaudio.com/sound-deadening-materials/speaker-tweaker-kit.php

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 12:00 PM
worth it? they're around the same price, any better than the others?

there a round bar just behing my speaker (i applied dynamat on it) and the back panel must be 5 inch behind that. is it still worth it?

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 12:03 PM
plus windows need to be up, since otherwise the back wave will it it

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 12:42 PM
I just ordered those from madisson. 9$ shipping for a 13$ pair of pad :(

hopefully it does something :mad:

should i cut a part of it and put it on the metal bar right behind the speaker magnets?

FoxPro5
11-17-2008, 12:49 PM
Lets get something straight here, Deflex is a trademark product from Cascade Audio. I think some are using "Deflex" here like you'd use "Qtip" or "Kleenex."

Shall I post a waterfall plot on the results taken from the CAE Deflex pad? Or should we let the internet experts miss-educate you?

UndercoverPunk
11-17-2008, 01:02 PM
Lets get something straight here, Deflex is a trademark product from Cascade Audio. I think some are using "Deflex" here like you'd use "Qtip" or "Kleenex."

Shall I post a waterfall plot on the results taken from the CAE Deflex pad? Or should we let the internet experts miss-educate you?

Please do.

I have no idea if they work or not.

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 01:02 PM
how would it be called if it's not deflex? that's how they're called on madisson too. it's written deflex on the pad i,m buying from them

it's bout the same product, there must not be a huge difference in quality, isn't it?

can it be remove and reinstal after?

dragnix
11-17-2008, 01:03 PM
WRONG! I installed a pair in my car few weeks ago. I was able to bring my mids down a full octave without any breakup(50hz now).


edit: I used 3M High 90 to glue them. I sprayed the panel where I was going to glue, then I sprayed the back of the pad. waited about 1 minute before sticking it on. its a hit or miss, i had kind of roll my pad to fit into the door through the baffle and you get only 1 shot to line it perfect, cause once it sticks on its a ***** to take off especially when its real tacky

edit2: i dont think they are worth $20, they are a peice of rubber. I would not spend more than $10 on them if I had a choice. I bought my set from mr.marv for $5

i got mine for free, but shipping was $5 :crap:

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 01:10 PM
It seems like it come in pack of 1... I just paid 27$ can dollar for one side? fock :(

WhoSayWho?
11-17-2008, 01:12 PM
LOL, FoxPro turns into Gary Busey when someone screws up while talking about sound dampening.

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 01:35 PM
so removable or not?

dragnix
11-17-2008, 01:38 PM
depends on the adhesive you use

carguy83
11-17-2008, 01:44 PM
they do work. they cleaned up a lot of the resonance in the doors. i think i paid 12 shipped from sound domain when they were still selling audio gear. mine are from cascade. only complaint i have now is that i wish they were a bit bigger. i no longer have 6.5's in the doors :(

Megalomaniac
11-17-2008, 01:46 PM
Lets get something straight here, Deflex is a trademark product from Cascade Audio. I think some are using "Deflex" here like you'd use "Qtip" or "Kleenex."

Shall I post a waterfall plot on the results taken from the CAE Deflex pad? Or should we let the internet experts miss-educate you?

speaker tweaker doesnt have the same ring to it :p:

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 02:32 PM
looks like i'm gunna be cutting my 11x8.5 in two... that *****

Megalomaniac
11-17-2008, 02:33 PM
looks like i'm gunna be cutting my 11x8.5 in two... that *****

or call and edit your order. im sure it hasnt been shipped yet

UndercoverPunk
11-17-2008, 02:33 PM
You seem to be doing it wrong.

Xprime4
11-17-2008, 03:06 PM
i've send a mail, if it work nice, if not i've lost 27$ canadian bucks

UndercoverPunk
11-17-2008, 03:09 PM
Is French your number one language? Just wondering.

FoxPro5
11-17-2008, 05:24 PM
LOL, FoxPro turns into Gary Busey when someone screws up while talking about sound dampening.

For real. Who wants to make their sound wet? :)

Lizardking
11-17-2008, 08:56 PM
I thought someone was going to post the before or after results? Oh well, mine are on the way.

FoxPro5
11-17-2008, 09:30 PM
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/barnz008/Deflexwaterfallplot.jpg

Says a few things. A delay in the rearwave measured in milliseconds. A decrease in intensity measured dB. And, which portion of the frequency band is the most affected.

For best performance, mount at a 15* angle off from the vertical plane of the cone. Most outer door skins are already pretty close to this so no worries.

That's the patented Deflex pad from CAE. If anyone has data on the other variations of the same diffuser concept, please feel free to share.

UndercoverPunk
11-18-2008, 04:39 AM
My thought process was that it couldn't hurt and since I was doing my doors to death.... I was putting them in, because I didn't ever wanna have to open the things back up....

There's a few little things that need to be addressed, so I might try a bunch of treated egg crate foam at some point as well to see how that handles the reflections in the door... as it stands it's pretty **** good. I'd contribute that to the fact that I treated EVERY SURFACE that I possibly could though.

I'm still anxious too see if Excelerater would like to contribute or just make a large statement about the topic at hand with out supporting his argument at all. Everyone would like to learn bud, so if where doing it wrong, please tell us why.

Xprime4
11-18-2008, 08:16 AM
Is French your number one language? Just wondering.

yes it is :rolleyes:
still i'm being understood in english, so that's fine :crazy:

Xprime4
11-18-2008, 08:21 AM
btw i got refund :D
Anybody got some for sale?

Xprime4
11-19-2008, 09:51 AM
I want some deflex pads (what the generic name of it uh?)

Dynaxorb 6x6x.25 can be had for 30$ shipped to canada ebay
Cascade Deflex don't answer me bout shipping quote...
Second Skin Speakers Tweakers from website can't be shipped here

Any quality difference between them? Anywhere/Anyone can help me out findind some?
If not then i'll get the Dynaxorb. Dynamat Xtrem is already in my doors

Xprime4
11-19-2008, 02:42 PM
Since no one answered ( this board is hella slow today), I went with the dynaxorb, since they were the cheapest shipped here

I probably won't be putting those until mid january ( mispell the first month of the year?)
coz i'm removing the whole system before leaving Quebec to Miami beach :D

You american are so sick, i don,t want to my car/system to be stolen while sunbathing on the beach lol

FoxPro5
11-19-2008, 03:05 PM
Cascade Deflex don't answer me bout shipping quote...


Have you ever stopped and actually tried to read what you wrote? Maybe it's communication breakdown on your part??? ;)

Xprime4
11-19-2008, 03:11 PM
Have you ever stopped and actually tried to read what you wrote? Maybe it's communication breakdown on your part??? ;)

:rolleyes: Cascade Audio rep ... hasn't answered me yet.... is it better :D

FoxPro5
11-19-2008, 03:18 PM
:rolleyes: Cascade Audio rep ... hasn't answered me yet.... is it better :D

Don't roll your eyes at a CAE rep if cannot effectively communicate. coz they might not take z to sriously if u rite like a second grader with horrible ADD.....

Just a thought.

Also, don't cut any of the diffuser pads in half unless you intend to remove them in 5 min, throw them in the garbage and then claim they don't work. ;)

Xprime4
11-19-2008, 03:25 PM
Don't roll your eyes at a CAE rep if cannot effectively communicate. coz they might not take z to sriously if u rite like a second grader with horrible ADD.....

Just a thought.

Also, don't cut any of the diffuser pads in half unless you intend to remove them in 5 min, throw them in the garbage and then claim they don't work. ;)

don't worry about that, the dynaxorbs come in pack of two. The deflect pad (not a brandname here) from madisson was standalone. Sry bout my "rittin", english isn't my first langage.

UndercoverPunk
11-19-2008, 03:30 PM
GO BACK TO FRANCE FRENCHIE!

:p:

Xprime4
11-19-2008, 03:42 PM
GO BACK TO FRANCE FRENCHIE!

:p:

France Frenchie is more like an insult to us, people from Quebec
Their accent is so gay and they look so.... gay

People from Quebec are more like American speaking in french and eating Poutine that's all

Xprime4
11-19-2008, 03:43 PM
For those who don't know, Poutine = french fries :P, Cheese and a brown sugared sauce.
I really don't understand why it's not sold in USA, since you love greasy food

UndercoverPunk
11-19-2008, 03:45 PM
It was a joke. I took 3.5 years of french in HS. I couldn't even call you cheese pants today. :(

TY Marijuana.

James Bang
11-19-2008, 04:18 PM
For those who don't know, Poutine = french fries :P, Cheese and a brown sugared sauce.
I really don't understand why it's not sold in USA, since you love greasy food

we're fat enough down here as it is.

Megalomaniac
11-20-2008, 07:15 PM
yea too much c0ck-meat samiches

UndercoverPunk
11-20-2008, 07:18 PM
...ok?

94Mazda626
11-20-2008, 07:27 PM
Tabarnac

Xprime4
11-21-2008, 06:26 PM
Tabarnac

Calis de criss d'esti de tabarnak

that's how we talk... i doesn't mean anything but those 4 words are the most used in here :laugh:

James Bang
11-21-2008, 07:05 PM
yea too much c0ck-meat samiches

I'm not sure about you sometimes, Mir.

Maybe that's how you cowboys do it in Texas.

Megalomaniac
11-21-2008, 07:11 PM
I'm not sure about you sometimes, Mir.

Maybe that's how you cowboys do it in Texas.

Justin did not broke my back :crazy: