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Surveyor
11-10-2008, 11:16 PM
I am having a Kenwood ddx or a Pioneer avh p4000 installed in my 2008 Ford f150supercrew cab. I am not looking for high end gear and am trying to stay under 1k total. Just want some better sound than the crappy stock unit. No subwoofer just yet. 4 speakers. 2 front-2 back. The installer is pushing the JL TR570 CXI speakers for $150 a pair.
Any other suggestions in that price range? Or are the JL'S fine. Gramps could use some help!
Thanks :cool:

atlninja82
11-10-2008, 11:20 PM
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_4813_JL+Audio+TR570-CXi.html

filtor1
11-11-2008, 12:08 AM
That is avaerage markup. You may be better off getting them from the link above and saving $130ish and just pay them to install them if you want to go that way.

Is $150 your maximum budget? If you could go to $200 I could suggest a whole new world of SQ to you. I warn you , you may get addicted though. :D

Fender5
11-11-2008, 12:12 AM
That is avaerage markup. You may be better off getting them from the link above and saving $130ish and just pay them to install them if you want to go that way.

Is $150 your maximum budget? If you could go to $200 I could suggest a whole new world of SQ to you. I warn you , you may get addicted though. :D

lets hear it :)

916Kev
11-11-2008, 03:08 AM
TR series *****. AVOID!

IDSkoT
11-11-2008, 03:13 AM
LMAO
$150 bucks for those things?

I don't know much about good co-ax, but I'm sure someone here can show you some nicer, cheaper ones.

JL Audio's merchandise is good. But the cost vs. quality ratio is all messed up.

But I'd still give my neighbor's kid up for a JL 1000/1

dave_damage
11-11-2008, 03:22 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SOUNDSTREAM-XTS6-8-6x8-3-WAY-200W-CAR-SPEAKER_W0QQitemZ180202503571QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCa r_Speakers?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

Shop has these and the JL's on display locally and I think the SS Own them.

BassAddictJ
11-11-2008, 03:27 AM
$200 compenents are the way to go. if you can amp them :)

rc10mike
11-11-2008, 04:17 AM
What shop are you going to in Jax?

GAM3OVR
11-11-2008, 04:30 AM
find a guy on here who knows what he's doing and build you a system for much cheaper

fast85_gt
11-11-2008, 05:14 AM
TR series *****. AVOID!

x2

skittlesRgood
11-11-2008, 06:21 AM
you dont have to go with 5x7"s most speakers come with adapters so you can use them. look at the morel tempo 6 and maybe an alpine pdx150.4. you could get all that for under 1k. however you dont REALLY need to change the rear speakers. so just get one set of the morels and a pdx150.2 and youll be well under that 1k mark.

those are great speakers and a great amp.

filtor1
11-11-2008, 11:00 AM
Take a look at amping a set of Rainbow SLC NG's to the tune of 150-175watts a side. If you insist on getting rears, you can pick up a set of SL which are the SLC's but coax for the rears.

I have gone w/o rears and dumped my extra budget into a "better" more capable front stage and have been so satisfied I won't go back. So, you can save the money on the rears and a big four channel and reinvest the same money into better comps and a more capable 2 channel.

It sounds like you are looking to get great sound, not just be loud. If I misinterpreted that you can disregard my post. If not, this is just one suggestion of many that can put you on a path to a more pleasurable and fulfilling listening experience. This is not the only set I would recommend, but it is in the $200 range. Also, if you do decide to go this route, there is only one guy I prefer to get my higher end stuff from. 6spdcoupe. I have met him personally, yes I drove from Florida to NJ, and he is a stand up guy. You can look here for his feedback, it is stellar.

I could keep going, but I want to make sure this is the direction you want to go before I do that. :)

Surveyor
11-11-2008, 11:05 AM
Thanks for all the replies fellas! Gramps appreciates it.
I can go to $200 a pair on speakers but would rather stay around a total of $300 for the 2 pair. Alternate suggestions will be looked at.



What shop are you going to in Jax?

Rolling sound at the avenues. Quoted the pioneer avh p4000 for $540 installed plus purchase of JL speakers for $300 for the 2 pair


Do the JL TR speakers **** because they are on the low end of the spectrum or is the sound quality really that bad? If so for $150 a pair what would be better?

No time to build myself. Want to go with local installer and equipment for convienence and other possible issues.

Thanks!:cool:

Surveyor
11-11-2008, 11:13 AM
Take a look at amping a set of Rainbow SLC NG's to the tune of 150-175watts a side. If you insist on getting rears, you can pick up a set of SL which are the SLC's but coax for the rears.

I have gone w/o rears and dumped my extra budget into a "better" more capable front stage and have been so satisfied I won't go back. So, you can save the money on the rears and a big four channel and reinvest the same money into better comps and a more capable 2 channel.

It sounds like you are looking to get great sound, not just be loud. If I misinterpreted that you can disregard my post. If not, this is just one suggestion of many that can put you on a path to a more pleasurable and fulfilling listening experience. This is not the only set I would recommend, but it is in the $200 range. Also, if you do decide to go this route, there is only one guy I prefer to get my higher end stuff from. 6spdcoupe. I have met him personally, yes I drove from Florida to NJ, and he is a stand up guy. You can look here for his feedback, it is stellar.

I could keep going, but I want to make sure this is the direction you want to go before I do that. :)

Yea filter1 you are on the right track. At my age do not need the thumping base but just want some better quality sound with some low end. I listen to all kinds of music from metal to classical to my present favorite of alternative. I would like to stick to getting front and back speakers so they are all the same though. Thanks for the reply.
:cool:

filtor1
11-11-2008, 11:33 AM
Yea filter1 you are on the right track. At my age do not need the thumping base but just want some better quality sound with some low end. I listen to all kinds of music from metal to classical to my present favorite of alternative. I would like to stick to getting front and back speakers so they are all the same though. Thanks for the reply.
:cool:

No problm. If I am ever in Jax and think of it, I will PM you and you can listen to my Powerlines with lots of power going to them. You will see what I mean by losing the rear fill. :)

Another thing to think about is if your HU has an internal amp, you could use it to power the rear coaxials and still complete the upgrade to the front stage. I have accomplished this many times for those that were on a budget and didn't want to lose the rear fill. Just another option.

I would also recommend that you add some sort of subwoofer to the mix for the extended lower range that will be missed by the mids x-over points. This could be accomplished by a single low power low x-max driver which will give you what you are looking for and be cheaper to amplify. It will also take up almost no space. I am actually about to install 2 10" Fi-X's in my brother in laws truck. As for the low cost sq drivers these are, I really like them. I have a ton of them, we can use PM if you would like. I also have the Ascendant Audio Assassin 10". Essencially the same driver at the shop, err my house. :)

The Fi-X was discontinued but is still available if you were interested. www.ficaraudio.com They didn't replace it with anything.
http://www.ascendantaudio.com/ <--Look here for the Assassin information.

You could throw anywhere from 150-300 watts to either one of these and fill out he lower octaves nicely in very little space. I will just send you a PM. :D

GearGuy2001
11-11-2008, 01:01 PM
Yea filter1 you are on the right track. At my age do not need the thumping base but just want some better quality sound with some low end. I listen to all kinds of music from metal to classical to my present favorite of alternative. I would like to stick to getting front and back speakers so they are all the same though. Thanks for the reply.
:cool:

I dont have rear speakers and I love my current setup but I would suggest getting some sort of rear fill if you plan on people riding in the back. My fronts do a decent job at getting some sound to the back but you can tell your mostly getting sub action when you sit back there :)

filtor1
11-11-2008, 10:49 PM
I dont have rear speakers and I love my current setup but I would suggest getting some sort of rear fill if you plan on people riding in the back. My fronts do a decent job at getting some sound to the back but you can tell your mostly getting sub action when you sit back there :)

Meh, I never cared about the back seat. I rarely ever have anyone back there, and if I do, I am not trying to demo the car. We are usually talking. I am not going to waste my money so they can have a little extra music at the detriment of my listening experience. JMO.

jluv
11-12-2008, 02:54 PM
The 5x7 TRs aren't that bad. They get loud and stay pretty clean, and offer decent midbass response. I used a pair many moons ago.

That said, I certainly wouldn't pay $150 for them.

jmanpc
11-12-2008, 03:06 PM
ID CTX65 components: $180 shipped
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=6201

Profile AP600 $100 + ship
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4874
or
Profile 400SX $45 + ship
http://www.profilecaraudio.com/amplifiers.htm

8awg amp kit:
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4744

20sf SecondSkin Damplifier $56 + ship
http://www.secondskinaudio.com/vibration-mat/damplifier.php

If you want to add a sub down the road, in your case, I'd recommend a single 8" sub. It will fill in the low end nicely. I'd say something like this would be sufficient:

Image Dynamics ID8 $120
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2643

... and a second Profile 400SX to power it. Or you can just get a 4-channel amp and use two channels for the fronts, and bridge two for the sub.
:)

Surveyor
11-12-2008, 10:56 PM
ID CTX65 components: $180 shipped
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=6201

Profile AP600 $100 + ship
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4874
or
Profile 400SX $45 + ship
http://www.profilecaraudio.com/amplifiers.htm

8awg amp kit:
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4744

20sf SecondSkin Damplifier $56 + ship
http://www.secondskinaudio.com/vibration-mat/damplifier.php

If you want to add a sub down the road, in your case, I'd recommend a single 8" sub. It will fill in the low end nicely. I'd say something like this would be sufficient:

Image Dynamics ID8 $120
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2643

... and a second Profile 400SX to power it. Or you can just get a 4-channel amp and use two channels for the fronts, and bridge two for the sub.
:)

Really appreciate it fella's. I shall take heed and look into it.
The Circuit city down the street is going out of business and had the pioneer
avh p4000 20% off to the tune of $399. Think about snatching it up although I was messing around with the Kenwood ddx512 in Best Buy and think I like it better but was $200 dollars more at $599. Hmmm!
:help:

916Kev
11-13-2008, 02:11 AM
Get the kenwood.

jmanpc
11-13-2008, 02:57 AM
Both are about equivalent in my mind. I'd go with the cheaper. Is it the Avenues CC going out of business? I used to work there :(

But yeah, hit me up when you buy everything and I'll install it :)

Surveyor
11-13-2008, 10:42 AM
Both are about equivalent in my mind. I'd go with the cheaper. Is it the Avenues CC going out of business? I used to work there :(


No new Oakleaf store on Argyle Forest blvd. Near where I live.






But yeah, hit me up when you buy everything and I'll install it :)

Nice offer man but I do not know when I will make it to Greece?

jmanpc
11-13-2008, 11:55 AM
I live in Jacksonville. I'm in Greece for a study abroad program right now. I'll be back December 18.

helotaxi
11-14-2008, 08:37 AM
As mentioned, spend your speaker budget on the fronts and keep the stock rear speakers for fill if you want. The idea is that you can get to the next level of quality and stay in your price range. You don't need a lot of power. a PDX 4.100 or 4.150 would be way more than enough for the fronts and would leave a pair of channels available to bridge into a small sub. Adding the sub will allow you to properly cross over the front speakers and allow them to sound that much better. All decent speakers are meant for use with a sub. A modest 8 or 10 in. sub in a sealed box will make a huge difference in the sound of the whole system. Once you've had a system with a sub, you'll never be happy without one again.

Ignatowski
11-14-2008, 08:47 AM
dealers are pushers........esp JL dealers.....They must have a quota or something...
JL is not bad but your paying alot more for the name,ALOT more