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atlninja82
11-09-2008, 07:07 PM
hey ive seen people in the build log sections that are just using wood glue and clamps and arent even using screws. is it stronger this way? or should i use screws too?

thanks,
-eric

schrummy
11-09-2008, 07:14 PM
glue is what holds everything together. i use a nail gun to hold the pieces still so the glue can dry. always use glue

jdawg
11-09-2008, 07:14 PM
screws only hold the joint until the glue dries, the glue is the strength

lilmaniac2
11-09-2008, 07:15 PM
screws only hold the joint until the glue dries, the glue is the strength

truf

kush-divinity
11-09-2008, 07:25 PM
I know that the glue is strong, BUT I cannot build a box without a 2" drywall screw every 6 inches. It makes my heart skip to think what would happen if you drop a bad moofer in a box without any mechanical fastners......

snb778
11-09-2008, 07:26 PM
x2

lilmaniac2
11-09-2008, 07:26 PM
I know that the glue is strong, BUT I cannot build a box without a 2" drywall screw every 6 inches. It makes my heart skip to think what would happen if you drop a bad moofer in a box without any mechanical fastners......

lol, the fasteners don't do anything, get you a couple clamps and glue 2 pieces together, let it cure and then try and break it apart

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 07:51 PM
lol, the fasteners don't do anything, get you a couple clamps and glue 2 pieces together, let it cure and then try and break it apart

couldnt have said it better... also, if the screws arent spaced apart enough, they can act as stress risers in certain applications.

titebond has a 2000psi tensile strength.. pioneer saturn... i know you got my back on this haha

atlninja82
11-09-2008, 10:40 PM
so is titebond the best brand? what about gorilla glue?

lilmaniac2
11-09-2008, 10:42 PM
so is titebond the best brand? what about gorilla glue?

gorilla glue expands in the joints causing it to f up

I like the loctite brand stuff, but its harder to find

atlninja82
11-09-2008, 10:43 PM
well ****. where do i go . are there any other good brands?

lilmaniac2
11-09-2008, 10:44 PM
the elmers WOOD glue stuff isnt bad.

Walmart used to sell the loctite stuff.

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 10:45 PM
again, pioneersaturn will have to help me out on this one.. weve learned some people on another forum about this many times...

i cant remember if it was a magazine or what, but someone did a test with all of the top wood glue brands. i believe gorilla, titebond and elmers were all tested.. and titebond came in first in every test.. including tensile pulls in many different joint applications.. by far. thats where i got the number.. titebond didnt break until after 2000psi

IDSkoT
11-09-2008, 10:46 PM
lol, the fasteners don't do anything, get you a couple clamps and glue 2 pieces together, let it cure and then try and break it apart

x2

The wood will shatter before the glue breaks. :crazy:

IDSkoT
11-09-2008, 10:47 PM
again, pioneersaturn will have to help me out on this one.. weve learned some people on another forum about this many times...

i cant remember if it was a magazine or what, but someone did a test with all of the top wood glue brands. i believe gorilla, titebond and elmers were all tested.. and titebond came in first in every test.. including tensile pulls in many different joint applications.. by far. thats where i got the number.. titebond didnt break until after 2000psi

Which Titebond?

I have Titebond I, and that ish is the ish, y0.

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 10:47 PM
oh, and one more thing about the titebond...

youll see titebond, titebond II & III... the only difference is levels of water resistance

atlninja82
11-09-2008, 10:48 PM
aight sweet. where can i get it ? like home depot or lowes?

atlninja82
11-09-2008, 10:49 PM
oh, and one more thing about the titebond...

youll see titebond, titebond II & III... the only difference is levels of water resistance

gotchya thanks.

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 10:49 PM
i get it from a local supply place, but im sure all the building supply stores have it

tommyk90
11-09-2008, 10:49 PM
I use titebond II and never had a problem.

However, I always use fasteners. Just because the glue joint doesn't break that doesn't mean that the wood NEAR the joint can't break. ;)

(This has happened to me before)

lilmaniac2
11-09-2008, 10:51 PM
again, pioneersaturn will have to help me out on this one.. weve learned some people on another forum about this many times...

i cant remember if it was a magazine or what, but someone did a test with all of the top wood glue brands. i believe gorilla, titebond aelmers were all tested.. and titebond came in first in every test.. including tensile pulls in many different joint applications.. by far. thats where i got the number.. titebond didnt break until after 2000psi


audio junkies did it

http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/346/best-wood-glue-wood-glue-showdown

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 10:51 PM
I use titebond II and never had a problem.

However, I always use fasteners. Just because the glue joint doesn't break that doesn't mean that the wood NEAR the joint can't break. ;)

(This has happened to me before)

pics?

IDSkoT
11-09-2008, 10:52 PM
What I do with MDF boxes, I use the 90* angle clamps, glue that ish up, use a clamp to push down, then tighten the second clamp , un-do the clamp, repeat on the other side, then put my two clamps in the middle.

Let it sit for an hour or two, repeat on another side.

As per instructions, don't install it for a good day or so. I have to give it more time since I live in Florida and humidity is a bish.

mlstrass
11-09-2008, 10:52 PM
HD has TBII and Elmer's Pro. both are good and gorilla glue ***** so don't use it. I've torn apart numerous boxes to test the glue joints and gorilla is the only one to fail the test.

atlninja82
11-09-2008, 10:53 PM
fasteners?

bubbagumper6
11-09-2008, 10:53 PM
what about good ole liquid nails?

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 10:53 PM
audio junkies did it

http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/346/best-wood-glue-wood-glue-showdown

that was it. thanks man

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 10:55 PM
fasteners?

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/s13driftfiend/001-10.jpg

what fasteners? :D

lilmaniac2
11-09-2008, 10:55 PM
what about good ole liquid nails?

wood glue chemically bonds the wood, it is FAR superior, it also is cheaper than liquid nails and you dont have to use it with a tube thingy.

Liquid Nails works somewhat, but is far inferior to wood glue

quins90lac
11-09-2008, 10:56 PM
titedond II is the shiznit FTW i took all of my screws out of my box after i got it all put together and coated with a good coat of resin on the in side then put little round pieces of wood in the holes and put wood filler over the top of them. took a 1/2 round over bit to the corners so that is all nice and rounded it makes it allot easier to carpet rounded corners

tommyk90
11-09-2008, 10:56 PM
pics?

No pics, but it split right at the joint. What basically happened is it ripped the top layer of the wood off. Glue joint was in tact but the wood wasn't. :laugh:


Though this shouldn't happen if your enclosure is properly braced. Big panels+lots of internal pressure=flexing.

atlninja82
11-09-2008, 10:56 PM
are you talking about the clamps? or the 90 degree thing. sorry i dont know the names for all of these

lilmaniac2
11-09-2008, 10:57 PM
No pics, but it split right at the joint. What basically happened is it ripped the top layer of the wood off. Glue joint was in tact but the wood wasn't. :laugh:

You broke the glue holding the mdf togeter? lol

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 10:57 PM
the stuff in the pic is all you need man.. no screws. more clamps = closer to 100% surface pressure = win

tommyk90
11-09-2008, 10:58 PM
You broke the glue holding the mdf togeter? lol

You've never dropped a sheet of MDF on one of the corners before? It can have a tendency to "split" off in layers.

Plus I think that enclosure was birch, which is a whole different ballgame.

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 10:58 PM
No pics, but it split right at the joint. What basically happened is it ripped the top layer of the wood off. Glue joint was in tact but the wood wasn't. :laugh:


Though this shouldn't happen if your enclosure is properly braced. Big panels+lots of internal pressure=flexing.

it ripped the top layer of paper off. sanding with some 80 grit on the "paper" side will help... could have just been a bad batch of mdf as stupid as that sounds

tommyk90
11-09-2008, 11:01 PM
it ripped the top layer of paper off. sanding with some 80 grit on the "paper" side will help... could have just been a bad batch of mdf as stupid as that sounds

As I recall, I believe it was with birch.

But I still use fasteners anyways. Much quicker IMO and just another security measure against joint failure. :)

IDSkoT
11-09-2008, 11:02 PM
As I recall, I believe it was with birch.

But I still use fasteners anyways. Much quicker IMO and just another security measure against joint failure. :)

Your mom's a joint failure :fyi:



:ohsnap:

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 11:02 PM
As I recall, I believe it was with birch.

But I still use fasteners anyways. Much quicker IMO and just another security measure against joint failure. :)

not if theyre too close together... stress risers = fail :D

tommyk90
11-09-2008, 11:03 PM
not if theyre too close together... stress risers = fail :D

I don't overkill it. Every 6" at most.

IDSkoT
11-09-2008, 11:05 PM
I don't overkill it. Every 6" at most.

I understand where you're coming from.
But somehow, between the pre-drilling and then drilling it doesn't really seem worth it to me.

Although I haven't tested the strength of it with or with out. I haven't made too many cabinets.

wasted ink
11-09-2008, 11:06 PM
I don't overkill it. Every 6" at most.

then your fine. i still prefer the "no fasteners" method, but thats me. i dont criticize anyone elses methods.

try and tell me a fat bead of titebond and a nice amount of clamp pressure wont do work :D

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/s13driftfiend/003-8.jpg

atlninja82
11-10-2008, 07:12 AM
alright cool thats what im doin too.

thanks,
-eric