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Megalomaniac
11-05-2008, 05:32 PM
TBI HDSS Review

Packaging & Shipping

As soon as TBI announced the winners for the TBI HDSS giveaway I emailed TBI with my information. They sent me a shipping quote and a Paypal address very promptly on the next business day. TBI shipped the tweeters the same day I sent payment. I received the tweeters 3 days later. I did not expect UPS to ship that fast. They must have shipped them 3 Day select. When I got the package and opened it, I noticed it was double boxed. When opening the actual packaging of the HDSS, they were sitting in a Styrofoam seat. These babies were well packed! No way could you damage these in that box.

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What’s in the Box?

- TBI HDSS Tweeters
- Flush mounting hardware
- Angle mounting hardware
- Tweeter cups
- 3.5khz @ 6db passive X-over with 4’ cable

The tweeters have a bit of weight to them, shows to me that they are solid and well built. I didn’t see any excess glue, and the terminals were different sizes so you know which side is which. But I must say this, these are the ugliest tweeters I have seen ever. They look a lot like Pyle tweeters or the cheap $20 ones you can get off eBay. I can live with the design of the tweeter but it’s the cheesy silk screening that makes me not want to buy the tweeters. I do like how shallow they are, I mean they aren’t Hybrid Audio L1 shallow, but they are shallower than my Vifas for sure.

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Cost

The TBI HDSS Tweeters cost $200 for a pair. I won these tweeters free in a giveaway that TBI sponsored on www.DIYMobileaudio.com

Installation

Installation was a breeze for me. I installed them in the A-pillars’ of my 00’ Honda Accord LX sedan. I was using the Vifa D26 prior to these tweeters, so my holes in my pillars were already made, I did have to widen the hole slightly with a Dremel to get them to fit. I made a harness for them. I used Knukonceptz Karma16 awg speaker wire, ¼” Techflex, and some quick disconnects from Home depot.

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What Does My System Consist Of?

- Eclipse CD7000 deck with active X-overs
- Elemental Designs NINe.5 Amplifier
- Hertz High Energy 6.5” Mids (50hz-4kHz 12db slopes)
- Second Skin Audio for my deadening needs including a deflex pad
- Kicker wiring
- Custom RCA cables
- Stereo Integrity Mag 12” v3 in a 1.3 cube sealed box stuffed. (40hz 18db slope)
- TBI HDSS Tweeters (4kHz 12db slope)

Initial Listening Impressions

My initial impression from listening to them right away from the D26s to the HDSS is that the HDSS is definitely brighter and louder than the D26s. I mean brighter in a good way. The D26s are known to be mellow and laid back. These aren’t laid back by any means and aren’t screaming in your ears either. I had to turn the Gain down substantially; yes it is that big of a difference. These definitely have a higher sensitivity. My second listening impression is these are more detailed than the D26s in every aspect. They play higher than the D26. The HDSS does not have the 16 kHz roll off like the D26. This initially worried me into thinking my ears would get fatigued listening to them for a long time.

What Songs Did I listen to and Why?

“The Sinister Mister”
By Bela Fleck and the Flecktones

I chose this song for a reason; this track has many instruments playing all at once, from the bass to harmonicas. It has this cool walking bass line at the beginning, and then followed by the drums. A harmonica is added later on too. You can really hear them playing on that harmonic good.

“Stomping Grounds (Live)”
By Bela Fleck and the Flecktones

The use of the banjo is what I love about this track. The picking of the banjo then the use of harmonics on it is phenomenal. The Harmonic pluck is way detailed, no way my other tweeters could play that. Listening to the song with these tweeters made the song even more enjoyable than it already was. .


“Grandmother”
By Rebecca Pidgeon

First thing I noticed with this track on my old tweeters was that her voice was diffused and out of focus. Using the HDSS her voice immediately changed for the better. It’s now well focused and her voice thinned a ton. She sounds more “airy”. If I close my eyes I could swear she was right in front of me in real life.

“Grandma’s Hands”
By Livingston Taylor

I listened to this track to hear if there were any unwanted noises coming from the tweeters, I couldn’t hear any at all. The snapping of the finger was a key part in this song that I had never heard before real well.

“Improvisation”
By Jim Keltner

What is a review without a good drum track? This track really brought the tweeters to life to see how they really are. It played every beat without any hiccups. I cranked this track real loud; I got no breakup at all. I absolutely loved it.

Other Notes

I can say this; these tweeters might be too detailed at times. If you listen to music from an artist that doesn’t record their music real well, you are in for a disappointment. The TBI HDSS brings out the worst in recordings that aren’t good. The HDSS is very linear. For instance the Jack Johnson album “Sleep through the Static” was recorded in analog. You can really hear the tape hiss in all of his tracks. Sure it gives the song character but after a while it gets a bit annoying, for me at least it does.

Conclusion

If you are looking for a tweeter that is shallow, low distortion, neutral, and detailed these are what you are looking for! Would I spend $200 on them? No, and that answer is solely based on its cosmetics. If they improve their design aesthetically I might be willing to spend $200 on them. For what they are I would probably spend up to $150 on them. I understand they have Patents on these tweeters so maybe the $200 is justifiable to keep it cost affective to produce.


Pros

- Well packaged
- TBI has excellent Customer Support
- Detailed and smooth tweeters
- Variety of mounting hardware
- Higher sensitivity than most tweeters
- Some what shallow tweeter

Cons

- None really other than Price and Aesthetics

Megalomaniac
11-05-2008, 07:26 PM
Video does not do justice, but i will post it anyways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWx_ztYzyXo

James Bang
11-05-2008, 08:43 PM
can these take 3500w to hang w/ the SMD sub i plan to get?

slapmaster
11-05-2008, 08:59 PM
the hardware of the tweeter looks just like the tweets i'm using. just my observation. not haten, i like the snap-in flush mount designe.

99grandprixGT
11-05-2008, 09:00 PM
i have the same phone:)

Anthony Collova
11-05-2008, 10:25 PM
Very nice review!

You know that TBI is giving all DIYMA members a 50% discount on these tweets through November?

ANT

FoxPro5
11-06-2008, 12:41 AM
Well thought-out, organized, easy to read review. Most reviews I read are dogshit compared to yours, so good job.

Believe it or not, I think I can get a sense of how "bright" those babies are from your little video. I also get a little siblance on the "ta ta ta talk about the weather" part of the song. Do they sort of "jump out" at you in a way that you need to turn the volume down? If so, I believe a dash mat could help you out.

Has there been an FR plot posted on these somewhere?

bigbirney420
11-06-2008, 12:45 AM
I figured they would be too bright for you, especially if my DLS were, but what do I know.

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 12:49 AM
can these take 3500w to hang w/ the SMD sub i plan to get?

Lol...

nG

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 11:48 AM
Well thought-out, organized, easy to read review. Most reviews I read are dogshit compared to yours, so good job.

Believe it or not, I think I can get a sense of how "bright" those babies are from your little video. I also get a little siblance on the "ta ta ta talk about the weather" part of the song. Do they sort of "jump out" at you in a way that you need to turn the volume down? If so, I believe a dash mat could help you out.

Has there been an FR plot posted on these somewhere?

Thanks for the props. I had written my review down on like 5 sheets of notebook paper, while I was in the car listening for like 1.5hr half just for the review. I had the tweeters installed for about 3 weeks now. I did not write a review sooner like some did, because I felt that wasnt fair, I needed to have them installed for a while and tune on and off before giving a solid review. I didnt even want to write a review until I remembered I have to write a review since that was part of the agreement with TBI.

hmm I will have to go to the car and listen to that track again, I cant remember off the top of my head. I will get back to you. I hope you watched the video in High Quality(in the corner of the video underneath click high quality.)



I figured they would be too bright for you, especially if my DLS were, but what do I know.

I never liked the way DLS sounded, maybe I was too biased on yours? Did you play with the EQ on yours?

James Bang
11-06-2008, 12:00 PM
Very nice review!

You know that TBI is giving all DIYMA members a 50% discount on these tweets through November?

ANT

$99 shipped doesn't sound too bad........

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 12:31 PM
$99 shipped doesn't sound too bad........

Sounds like an excellent price. Cheaper than Hat L1s ;) that can play lower (even though I crossed mine at 4kHz)


Seriously though, The HAT l1 pro costs $250+, these only cost $200. The Hat just looks cooler, but are thick. Do you really need push pin terminals on tweeters? lol

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 12:34 PM
Here is that Pyle tweeter I was talking about how it looks a like lol

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/Octiber_15th_2008_TBI_Tweeters/267-748_L.jpg

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 12:35 PM
Man, I'm bout to snatch up some of these...

nG

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 12:35 PM
How low CAN they be crossed?

nG

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 12:36 PM
How low CAN they be crossed?

nG

TBI says 2kHZ . But a guy on DIYMA crossed his at 1kHZ for giggles and he got NO breakup. These tweeters were designed for shallow slopes, like 6db shallow, obviously the lower you cross the steeper your slope will have to be.

This guy (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49147)

James Bang
11-06-2008, 12:42 PM
TBI says 2kHZ . But a guy on DIYMA crossed his at 1kHZ for giggles and he got NO breakup. These tweeters were designed for shallow slopes, like 6db shallow, obviously the lower you cross the steeper your slope will have to be.

This guy (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49147)

"This Guy" knows his stuff, too.

Buck
11-06-2008, 12:44 PM
I wish I could make a review that good....

Car and system look nice.

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 12:46 PM
Werd, just wanted to make sure they would mate with my RS180s well...

nG

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 12:50 PM
Werd, just wanted to make sure they would mate with my RS180s well...

nG

you could mate these with pretty much any speaker from reading other guys reviews on them. These are perfect for a 2way application.



btw in case anyone was wondering why i have a gap between my mids(50hz-4khz) and my sub (40hz). it is because in my car cabin gain is pretty bad at 40-50hz range. It peaks bad. So I put a gap in between the xover to let the rolloff on the slopes do the work. It made a HUGE difference when listening to music.

mrogowski
11-06-2008, 12:58 PM
Here is that Pyle tweeter I was talking about how it looks a like lol

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q151/Megalomaniac1989/Octiber_15th_2008_TBI_Tweeters/267-748_L.jpg


MMMmm... Pyle... :yumyum:


Nice writeup.

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 04:04 PM
I think I'm going to get two pair...

nG

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 04:29 PM
I think I'm going to get two pair...

nG


Any reason why 2 pair? Just wondering? Is it because of the 50% discount?

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 04:38 PM
Well, I'm possibly thinking about two pair in my LOUD TRK... but might not use both.

I'm toying with the idea of doing a centerstage thing like the CDT's... to try to keep a decent image and getting the volume I want. But it's just an idea and may fail miserably...

If I need to I can sell the other set... after the sale is over... for the same price. :)

nG

James Bang
11-06-2008, 04:42 PM
Well, I'm possibly thinking about two pair in my LOUD TRK... but might not use both.

I'm toying with the idea of doing a centerstage thing like the CDT's... to try to keep a decent image and getting the volume I want. But it's just an idea and may fail miserably...

If I need to I can sell the other set... after the sale is over... for the same price. :)

nG

pls don't

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 04:50 PM
Well, I'm possibly thinking about two pair in my LOUD TRK... but might not use both.

I'm toying with the idea of doing a centerstage thing like the CDT's... to try to keep a decent image and getting the volume I want. But it's just an idea and may fail miserably...

If I need to I can sell the other set... after the sale is over... for the same price. :)

nG

You NEED to checkout Matt_Rs truck(same as yours iirc) if you want a fabulous center stage for both driver and passenger seat. His mids and highs are in the engine bay. Acoustically transparent dash, 8s in the floor, plus a sub in the console. Listening to his truck is like looking at Angelina Jolie. Granted his substage isnt at as loud as yours.


here is his build(he didnt update his thread with the new dash)
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29688

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zYWy57LTMU

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 05:16 PM
pls don't

Okay.

Well I'm looking for input on what tweeter will provide me what I want...

nG

James Bang
11-06-2008, 05:27 PM
Okay.

Well I'm looking for input on what tweeter will provide me what I want...

nG

that center stage kit idea is a weird one. If you have the center tweets playing the right channel for the driver and one playing the left channel for the passenger, I don't see how you can get good imagine for either listening position

If anything, those center tweets will just narrow the stage, width spanning from the center to the left pillar for the driver.

I've tried it before. I've learned plenty since.

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 07:44 PM
I thought nG knew how to get a good image?

James Bang
11-06-2008, 08:52 PM
I thought nG knew how to get a good image?

that's not a requirement to become a mod here.

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 11:36 PM
I thought nG knew how to get a good image?

Well, I do... but I'm being very difficult in my requirements for this next setup...

I like my music loud, and I like it to sound good. I'm a basshead at heart...

My substage will be a pair of 15's ported tuned low, and ~4000rms. I like to be able to demo for bassrace/streetbeat at shows... but when I'm driving around by myself I like it to sound good, therefore my substage is almost all the way down daily driving...

With that being said, I've been looking for input on a front stage to keep up with my substage.. I don't like the idea of multiple tweeters per door right next to eachother... and I don't like the idea of pro-audio drivers either.

I have four dayton RS180's... and was thinking of doing dual mids per door in a 2way setup (with my Alpine 9835)... not sure if a single tweeter per side will keep up... that's when I tought about the centerstage thing...

I was thinking about quit being a VAJ and go 3way front stage like 8's, 4's, and a tweeter... but I like the use of my sub-out on the alpine for my subs :(... though I could utilize a bass knob for subs if I want to use the 9835 for 3way front stage.

Anyways... that's all I have to say about that...

nG

Megalomaniac
11-06-2008, 11:45 PM
Sounds like you need to get horny like james. shouldnt be hard in your truck

ngsm13
11-06-2008, 11:56 PM
Different than a full-size chevy...

I drive a Dakota...

And I don't want to get into horns right now... later down the road.

nG

Lil Poot
11-07-2008, 01:02 AM
looks like i've finally found my small format, low crossing tweet to pair with my sdx7's.

thanks for the review and heads up on the DIYMA price, i may chip in with my own review in a week or two :D

bigbirney420
11-07-2008, 01:05 AM
After I listen to Megalos on Saturday, I may be buying a set as well. DIYMA price is hard to beat

Megalomaniac
11-07-2008, 10:30 AM
After I listen to Megalos on Saturday, I may be buying a set as well. DIYMA price is hard to beat

If you have any particular cd's you want to listen to bring them tomorrow to Justins.

James Bang
11-07-2008, 11:57 AM
Well, I do... but I'm being very difficult in my requirements for this next setup...

I like my music loud, and I like it to sound good. I'm a basshead at heart...

My substage will be a pair of 15's ported tuned low, and ~4000rms. I like to be able to demo for bassrace/streetbeat at shows... but when I'm driving around by myself I like it to sound good, therefore my substage is almost all the way down daily driving...

With that being said, I've been looking for input on a front stage to keep up with my substage.. I don't like the idea of multiple tweeters per door right next to eachother... and I don't like the idea of pro-audio drivers either.

I have four dayton RS180's... and was thinking of doing dual mids per door in a 2way setup (with my Alpine 9835)... not sure if a single tweeter per side will keep up... that's when I tought about the centerstage thing...

I was thinking about quit being a VAJ and go 3way front stage like 8's, 4's, and a tweeter... but I like the use of my sub-out on the alpine for my subs :(... though I could utilize a bass knob for subs if I want to use the 9835 for 3way front stage.

Anyways... that's all I have to say about that...

nG

front preout - Highs and midrange, mounted closely to each other in the kicks, split by a passive xover or an external xover.

rear preout - Midbass in doors

sub - sub

OR

get an h701 and do what the hell you want w/ that VAJ

I would suggest trying to fit a 7-8" midrange, and 8"+ midbass :D

and a pair of these TBI tweets to stay on topic :)

ngsm13
11-07-2008, 02:37 PM
Lol, yeah I'd like to do 10" in the door... 7" in the kick... and a tweeter per side.

That would be my top choice :)

nG

James Bang
11-07-2008, 02:58 PM
Lol, yeah I'd like to do 10" in the door... 7" in the kick... and a tweeter per side.

That would be my top choice :)

nG

Good choice :D


replace horns w/ tweets
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/mobster909/New%20install/IMG00177.jpg

ngsm13
11-07-2008, 08:06 PM
INdeed.

How long is this sale going on for?

nG

Megalomaniac
11-07-2008, 08:06 PM
INdeed.

How long is this sale going on for?

nG

50% off through November 25 % in decemeber

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49479

bigbangtheory
11-07-2008, 11:38 PM
Nice well written review!

I wish I could pick up a set for the 100 bucks, but nope, I am strapped!

ngsm13
11-08-2008, 01:56 AM
50% off through November 25 % in decemeber

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49479

Cools. I got a little time :)

nG