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Wagonized
10-01-2008, 09:05 PM
I tried to purchase 2 multicells from Kent last year after finals for my explorer. Paid him in full through paypal...then never received a tracking number or heard from him for months.

Transaction date of my payments (2 payments) were Oct.20 2007 and Oct.29 2007.

He claims they were sent but he misplaced the tracking info...He also claims to have documentation from UPS saying it was sent. But he never emailed it to me when I asked him to months ago.

There are a few threads on the db_drag forum where hes done similar things. So now its been nearly a year since I sent payment and I have no batteries, no co-operation, hardly any communication and certainly no refund.

heres the one link to the other forum
http://audioforum.termpro.com/topic/40/23662.html

CrispedUp
10-01-2008, 09:06 PM
Why did you wait so long to post this?

revrider1
10-01-2008, 09:06 PM
Interesting...

bunkerking09
10-01-2008, 09:07 PM
boy, I've known kent to be a standup guy, goodlyck on getting this all sorted out

bad @SS chevy
10-01-2008, 09:07 PM
must be a mis-understanding, Team H&k is the shiznit.

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:09 PM
uh oh.......

dave_damage
10-01-2008, 09:09 PM
meh

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:11 PM
ya kent isnt a scammer, trust me! i just talked to him. theres always to sides to every story.

manbeer
10-01-2008, 09:13 PM
im a n00b, whose team H&K?

By the way, that *****, hopefully it gets resolved cause thats big $$$

stuckinok
10-01-2008, 09:13 PM
call Kent and he will set you straight.... ive done plenty of transactions with him and not a single one messed up

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:13 PM
ya kent isnt a scammer, trust me! i just talked to him. theres always to sides to every story.

i'm neutral on this but......he may be telling the truth. Just because Kent has done right here doesn't mean he didn't scam this dude.


i hope not tho

alxmlr789
10-01-2008, 09:13 PM
I've bought two batteries since...may? and he's been stand up for me too.

kmanian
10-01-2008, 09:15 PM
I would be very intrested to see what comes of this, I was considering a purchase from him this week.

Subscribed

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:16 PM
look i sent kent about 500 bux, he said he couldnt come thru with the deal because he ran out of stock of a certain thing, he refunded my money right then and there,, if he a scammer why he refund my mula?

kmanian
10-01-2008, 09:16 PM
I've bought two batteries since...may? and he's been stand up for me too.

any possibility those are the same batts the OP is refering to?

kmanian
10-01-2008, 09:17 PM
im a n00b, whose team H&K?

By the way, that *****, hopefully it gets resolved cause thats big $$$

so a search if you want to know who he is.

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:17 PM
look i sent kent about 500 bux, he said he couldnt come thru with the deal because he ran out of stock of a certain thing, he refunded my money right then and there,, if he a scammer why he refund my mula?

so this guy MUST be lying:wow:....hell even mark potts and shane delivered some of the stuff people paid for

yunvme666
10-01-2008, 09:18 PM
yea thats ****** but why wait so long? just cause finals is next weekend?

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:18 PM
and i am NOT call kent a scammer at all....i hope this gets worked out

kmanian
10-01-2008, 09:19 PM
I tried to purchase 2 multicells from Kent last year after finals for my explorer. Paid him in full through paypal...then never received a tracking number or heard from him for months.

Transaction date of my payments (2 payments) were Oct.20 2007 and Oct.29 2007.

He claims they were sent but he misplaced the tracking info...He also claims to have documentation from UPS saying it was sent. But he never emailed it to me when I asked him to months ago.

There are a few threads on the db_drag forum where hes done similar things. So now its been nearly a year since I sent payment and I have no batteries, no co-operation, hardly any communication and certainly no refund.

heres the one link to the other forum
http://audioforum.termpro.com/topic/40/23662.html

can you post the PP transaction?

stuckinok
10-01-2008, 09:20 PM
I just texted Kent about this so hopefully he will chime in soon so this doesn't get out of hand

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:20 PM
i dont know bones, its just that dealing with kent, i couldnt imagine him scamming concidering he has his own shop and a big rep that he has to keep up with, i said it before that he is probably the best seller on ca.com

dbolemiss
10-01-2008, 09:21 PM
Kent has treated me right on,My faith is with him 100% I'm sure he will chime in on this.

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:21 PM
I just texted Kent about this so hopefully he will chime in soon so this doesn't get out of hand

ya i sent him a message a few minutes ago, i may call him but he may be aslepp right now. he drove a shyt load today.

99grandprixGT
10-01-2008, 09:21 PM
ya hes been a good guy both times i've bought from him!

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:23 PM
i dont know bones, its just that dealing with kent, i couldnt imagine him scamming concidering he has his own shop and a big rep that he has to keep up with, i said it before that he is probably the best seller on ca.com

i'm just saying its possible....i bought something from a very reputable seller on here, never got it, he claims he lost the receipt for the post office transaction, refused to refund me money.....and everyone claims i'm crazy cuz they had good transactions with him

kmanian
10-01-2008, 09:23 PM
I hope it all works out, I would hate to see a respected member fall this way.

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 09:23 PM
theres always two sides to every story.

Well put...

kmanian
10-01-2008, 09:24 PM
well the man is here, props for showing up asap.

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:26 PM
good deal.....hope it gets worked out

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:26 PM
Woot Woot Kent!

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 09:27 PM
This Manor has been brought up a couple times, This manor has been tried to get takin care of, I shipped batteries, info was sent to wagonized, 6 montsh later, I get a paypal invoice requesting there money back, 1 day later paypal denied it. I am not sure how this keeps comnig up once every 5-6 montsh, As I have said to you before Wagonized, you either A - got the batteries or B - they got lost. But with 2k in stake I would be way more worried, I am not sure what the deal is, but I am in no way shape or form out to rob anyone, I could care less. But not sure on your behalf anymore! So I guess slander how you have to, I have had enough of this from you on Termpro.

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:27 PM
32 members now viewing this thread, bro you better have some proof because kent is a well known guy with a ton of rep around these parts.

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 09:28 PM
well the man is here, props for showing up asap.

Sorry I wasnt on faster, my wife is very ill and I have not been on the computer this evening.

kmanian
10-01-2008, 09:29 PM
was there a tracking number associated with the shipment?

kmanian
10-01-2008, 09:29 PM
Sorry I wasnt on faster, my wife is very ill and I have not been on the computer this evening.

totally understandable.;)

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:29 PM
was there a tracking number associated with the shipment?

shyt that was a long time ago

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 09:31 PM
was there a tracking number associated with the shipment?

Ya, and they dont even pull up on UPS's website anymore, how convenient. :rolleyes:

bones22
10-01-2008, 09:34 PM
11 months after this took place you are posting finally?
for 2k + it should have happened right away.

ive never done business with H&K but never seen a bad word about him anywhere.

either way statute of limitations may **** you over. not sure how this works. especially crossing US borders.

you didnt mention anything about Kent filing a claim or not.
was a claim filed?
did you get $ back?
almost sounds like you are just trying to double dip....

audioarsonal
10-01-2008, 09:35 PM
You go Kent!!

Trey803
10-01-2008, 09:35 PM
This Manor has been brought up a couple times, This manor has been tried to get takin care of, I shipped batteries, info was sent to wagonized, 6 montsh later, I get a paypal invoice requesting there money back, 1 day later paypal denied it. I am not sure how this keeps comnig up once every 5-6 montsh, As I have said to you before Wagonized, you either A - got the batteries or B - they got lost. But with 2k in stake I would be way more worried, I am not sure what the deal is, but I am in no way shape or form out to rob anyone, I could care less. But not sure on your behalf anymore! So I guess slander how you have to, I have had enough of this from you on Termpro.

Didn't you fail to produce any kind of notification from the shipping company proving this? And you are being rude to someone you have no reason for. To put so much of the responsibility on the buyer is just very very very sketchy.

bones22
10-01-2008, 09:35 PM
i swear ive seen Wagonized involved in a dispute over him taking off with $ before.
if im wrong i apologize for that.

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:37 PM
i swear ive seen Wagonized involved in a dispute over him taking off with $ before.
if im wrong i apologize for that.

x2

stuckinok
10-01-2008, 09:37 PM
Not to be a *** but I think that all of us who have nothing to do with this transaction should back off alittle

audioarsonal
10-01-2008, 09:37 PM
Didn't you fail to produce any kind of notification from the shipping company proving this? And you are being rude to someone you have no reason for. To put so much of the responsibility on the buyer is just very very very sketchy.

What are you talking about how is this rude.The transaction happened almost a year ago.

Trey803
10-01-2008, 09:40 PM
What are you talking about how is this rude.The transaction happened almost a year ago.

****in exactly.........it has taken a year and he has proved nothing.......besides his recklessness shipping a package costing somone else $2091

Or do I have this story all wrong?

jaredspl
10-01-2008, 09:41 PM
never made right with me almost a year ago!

bones22
10-01-2008, 09:42 PM
never made right with me almost a year ago!

wagonized or h&k

Trey803
10-01-2008, 09:43 PM
one question I am still not understanding you on. Did you or did you not provide the buyer with correct shipping information?

jaredspl
10-01-2008, 09:43 PM
H&K, he knows what I'm talking about.

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 09:44 PM
wagonized or h&k

He is talking about me, Something that I tried to work with him on, but he kept telling me he was worried about the money, But would never talk to FED EX about the insureance.

Trey803
10-01-2008, 09:45 PM
And when I say recklessness shipping a package I mean letting it get so far out of hand. I know that no one can prevent a shipping mishap but this should be something the seller takes up with the shipping company immediately. It just is not justifiable to tell somone OH WELL the shipping company lost it. Sorry.

The answer should go.....I e-mailed,called, got in touch with shipping company and this is what they said. You made no effort to fix anything.

You are shiat fock you

dcmcki
10-01-2008, 09:45 PM
He also started a thread over on Soundpressure.

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 09:46 PM
one question I am still not understanding you on. Did you or did you not provide the buyer with correct shipping information?

He got a tracking number for each battery, then got copies emailed to him on all the info after his first complaint. Which was a good while after these were recieved.

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 09:47 PM
And when I say recklessness shipping a package I mean letting it get so far out of hand. I know that no one can prevent a shipping mishap but this should be something the seller takes up with the shipping company immediately. It just is not justifiable to tell somone OH WELL the shipping company lost it. Sorry.

The answer should go.....I e-mailed,called, got in touch with shipping company and this is what they said. You made no effort to fix anything.

You are shiat fock you

Are you saying this toward me??? :wow:

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 09:50 PM
Well after going threw and reading Trey803's comments he obviously knows nothing about the story and is obviously good freinds with Wagonized

Trey803
10-01-2008, 09:51 PM
i dont know him. I may have the story wrong you tell me. I am going on what I read so far on this thread.

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10-01-2008, 09:52 PM
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jaredspl
10-01-2008, 09:53 PM
He is talking about me, Something that I tried to work with him on, but he kept telling me he was worried about the money, But would never talk to FED EX about the insureance.

wasnt my job as a buyer. you know this. yup 300 dollars lost to you. theres a reason I'm not in your sig for a reference.

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:53 PM
record... kent u got more fans then the new york giants

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:54 PM
wasnt my job as a buyer. you know this. yup 300 dollars lost to you. theres a reason I'm not in your sig for a reference.

kent is also not in urs as a scammer

billjones42
10-01-2008, 09:55 PM
record... kent u got more fans then the new york giants


LOL

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:56 PM
record... kent u got more fans then the new york giants

Kent....someone has a crush on you....watch out for the suprize buttsecks

jaredspl
10-01-2008, 09:57 PM
kent is also not in urs as a scammer

wouldnt say he scammed me but he sure didnt meet up to his hype. and I'm still out 300 dollars cause he said I was suposed to file the insurance claim.

bad @SS chevy
10-01-2008, 09:57 PM
Kent....someone has a crush on you....watch out for the suprize buttsecks

your jealous arent you?

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:57 PM
Kent....someone has a crush on you....watch out for the suprize buttsecks

bones, ur kinda cute, i always likd ninjas

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 09:58 PM
your jealous arent you?

he oughta fell better now

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:58 PM
your jealous arent you?

only of you Eric

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 09:59 PM
bones, ur kinda cute, i always likd ninjas

seems you are too much in love with Kent to like me...let him handle his business

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 10:00 PM
Well you want a story here we go.....

Batteries were shipped, Tracking numbers were emailed to him 1st day of november. Never heard anything out of him, until the week after DB Drag changes the rules on Multi Cell Batteries in Street C. So now you cant run the batteries I sent him, so he starts posting that I ripped him off and he didnt get them. I dont jump to conclusions and call him a lyer, I try my best to contact him and figure things out of what happened. 95% of my emails to him were never responded to. So after a couple weeks of trying to contact him on the emails he gave me with no responses, I give up, think that maybe he was done trying or that he may have recieved them. Months go by, them boom, I get an email from his paypal saying that he is requesting a full refund of payment back for the batteries. And then the posts begin once again. This time I actually get half of my emails return, I take my time to goto UPS and get all the info I can, I re-email him with the copies of reciepts and tracking info from UPS and even a sig copy they gave me of someone signing for the two packages. I have work many hours trying to figure out how these dissappeared over the canadian border, and came up with nothing but badgering from this guy. I had pretty much what he paid me in product, labor and shipping. I am not rich and I am not stupid, I dont have the batteries sitting here so I cant provide a refund. And now after a year, UPS, Paypal or anyone will help anymore to take care of "lost" packages. What else can I do. If you got these and are saying this, then I feel sorry that your this kind of person, if you honestly did not get them, more attempts to work with me and UPS would of been appreciated so this would of been done a year ago. At this point there is nothing I can do, and its out on the table I guess, so deal with it how you have to Wagonized!

yunvme666
10-01-2008, 10:01 PM
yea hes either in love or very young...lol....or both....aww...lol...

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 10:01 PM
seems you are too much in love with Kent to like me...let him handle his business

i am talkin about you ****
NOW DONT **** ME OFF
:crashcom:

lol

bonesninja
10-01-2008, 10:02 PM
yea hes either in love or very young...lol....or both....aww...lol...

ahhhh....young and in love:inlove:

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 10:02 PM
wasnt my job as a buyer. you know this. yup 300 dollars lost to you. theres a reason I'm not in your sig for a reference.

I tried very hard working with you, if you want to bring this up agian make a post, I will lay it all out agian also! And as for your sig, thats the last place I want my name as a reference. Sorry man.

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 10:04 PM
72 viewers

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 10:04 PM
72 viewers

I starting to think your just trying to get your post count up??? :crazy: LOL

GAM3OVR
10-01-2008, 10:04 PM
Team H & K is a cool dude

I think wagonized is the odd fish out here hmph!

toy4x
10-01-2008, 10:05 PM
#1 Shipper has to file a claim with shipping company.....THEY do an investigation to find out where the package is/what happened to it...then reimburse the SHIPPER if it is indeed lost.

Shippee only has to notify shipping company and shipper of lost package, after that it is on the shipper to get reimbursed product to his customer....

But in this case...the shipping company is not going to have the records of this transaction after a full year..shoot they are going to laugh at Team H&K if he tells them the package was never delevered a YEAR ago!! It ***** for both parties..but come on man a FULL YEAR?? That is way too extreme..I could say yes and back you up if it had only been a couple - 6 months....but you sir have run out of steam....

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 10:06 PM
I starting to think your just trying to get your post count up??? :crazy: LOL

it doesnt hurt, wagon hasnt talked so the viewers are going down...

99grandprixGT
10-01-2008, 10:06 PM
I starting to think your just trying to get your post count up??? :crazy: LOL
lol free post for suppoting team H&K!

Supergumby5000
10-01-2008, 10:07 PM
Well you want a story here we go.....

Batteries were shipped, Tracking numbers were emailed to him 1st day of november. Never heard anything out of him, until the week after DB Drag changes the rules on Multi Cell Batteries in Street C. So now you cant run the batteries I sent him, so he starts posting that I ripped him off and he didnt get them. I dont jump to conclusions and call him a lyer, I try my best to contact him and figure things out of what happened. 95% of my emails to him were never responded to. So after a couple weeks of trying to contact him on the emails he gave me with no responses, I give up, think that maybe he was done trying or that he may have recieved them. Months go by, them boom, I get an email from his paypal saying that he is requesting a full refund of payment back for the batteries. And then the posts begin once again. This time I actually get half of my emails return, I take my time to goto UPS and get all the info I can, I re-email him with the copies of reciepts and tracking info from UPS and even a sig copy they gave me of someone signing for the two packages. I have work many hours trying to figure out how these dissappeared over the canadian border, and came up with nothing but badgering from this guy. I had pretty much what he paid me in product, labor and shipping. I am not rich and I am not stupid, I dont have the batteries sitting here so I cant provide a refund. And now after a year, UPS, Paypal or anyone will help anymore to take care of "lost" packages. What else can I do. If you got these and are saying this, then I feel sorry that your this kind of person, if you honestly did not get them, more attempts to work with me and UPS would of been appreciated so this would of been done a year ago. At this point there is nothing I can do, and its out on the table I guess, so deal with it how you have to Wagonized!

If this is true, i would like to hear wagonized's response

wait, he hasnt sait ***** in his own thread since he started it, hmmmm

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 10:07 PM
:D
lol free post for suppoting team H&K!

x2, oooppss another free post

jaredspl
10-01-2008, 10:08 PM
I tried very hard working with you, if you want to bring this up agian make a post, I will lay it all out agian also! And as for your sig, thats the last place I want my name as a reference. Sorry man.

hardly tried, more like it. you seem to have an excuse for every bad transaction you have and dont take likely to people who complain when you **** up. Whatevers whatever you know. wont hurt my rep to hear your story again. I do my own thing and continue to make people happy with whatever I provide for sale. never had a **** poor transaction with anyone I sold to, and never has anyone put up a thread saying I jacked em for any amount of money or gear. so like I said before and I will say it again you ****ed up not me.

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10-01-2008, 10:08 PM
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Team H&K
10-01-2008, 10:09 PM
Thing thats true here is 98% of the people veiwing right now have purchased off me, 100% of those 98% have got there stuff fast after payment was recieved.

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10-01-2008, 10:09 PM
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he's here

hes been here since he made it

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10-01-2008, 10:09 PM
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would you quit posting already!!!

tommyk90
10-01-2008, 10:09 PM
#1 Shipper has to file a claim with shipping company.....THEY do an investigation to find out where the package is/what happened to it...then reimburse the SHIPPER if it is indeed lost.

Shippee only has to notify shipping company and shipper of lost package, after that it is on the shipper to get reimbursed product to his customer....

But in this case...the shipping company is not going to have the records of this transaction after a full year..shoot they are going to laugh at Team H&K if he tells them the package was never delevered a YEAR ago!! It ***** for both parties..but come on man a FULL YEAR?? That is way too extreme..I could say yes and back you up if it had only been a couple - 6 months....but you sir have run out of steam....

The only problem with that resolution is somebody SIGNED for the packages. They can't exactly be lost if somebody signed for them. So either the OP actually did get them and is trying to double cross kent, or somebody else signed for them (i.e. wrong address or somebody stole them)

And yes, I agree that it has been FAR too long for there to be any kind of reimbursement on the shipee's end.

Kent tried to get into contact with the OP but never got answers back.

97gp
10-01-2008, 10:09 PM
12volt shut the **** up you havent posted anything useful, let them try to resolve this.

tommyk90
10-01-2008, 10:10 PM
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 70 (52 members and 18 guests)
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he's here

If you keep posting that **** I'm gonna get your *** banned. Don't think I'm not serious.

GAM3OVR
10-01-2008, 10:11 PM
bastard got his mouf shut

yunvme666
10-01-2008, 10:13 PM
yea wtf is up with posting currently active users in the threads anyways.....

GAM3OVR
10-01-2008, 10:13 PM
12volt shut the **** up you havent posted anything useful, let them try to resolve this.

I think the 12volt is about to get a ban for useless post like buck did, I beleive 4 days ago for making a thread called
topic: lol
text: lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




If he does, $10 says he'll make a new account called the12voltrox

lil_italy773
10-01-2008, 10:14 PM
12volt shut the **** up you havent posted anything useful, let them try to resolve this.

LMFAO



team h&k is a good guy, op waited to long sounds like a BS story thats just my thoughts

Blazin_Jason
10-01-2008, 10:15 PM
So did the tracking numbers ever give you the information. signed by____________?

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 10:15 PM
Alright guys its been over an hour with no posts from Wagonized, even though he is reading it all, my wife is very ill, and thats my priority right now, I will be on tomorrow. So post away Wagonized, I am leaving. Good night everyone.

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 10:16 PM
So did the tracking numbers ever give you the information. signed by____________?

the signature was a mess,looked like chicken scratches. And now its not in there system anymore? :crap:

GAM3OVR
10-01-2008, 10:17 PM
Alright guys its been over an hour with no posts from Wagonized, even though he is reading it all, my wife is very ill, and thats my priority right now, I will be on tomorrow. So post away Wagonized, I am leaving. Good night everyone.

Take care of her and yourself Mr. Kent!

We'll see you later

Trey803
10-01-2008, 10:17 PM
After hearing you version I take back all the hateful things that I said about you.......BUT I still see shady dealings for some reason on your part but I could be wrong. Obviously you have credit and wagonizer does not and because of this their isnt much he could say at this point. This is teetering on a very small line with no proof for either side. So b/c of your credit I will not hold you against this one bad reference

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 10:19 PM
After hearing you version I take back all the hateful things that I said about you.......BUT I still see shady dealings for some reason on your part but I could be wrong. Obviously you have credit and wagonizer does not and because of this their isnt much he could say at this point. This is teetering on a very small line with no proof for either side. So b/c of your credit I will not hold you against this one bad reference

Real fast, thanks for taking it back....If you think of me as doing anything Shady, please dont purchase from me. I dont want people thinking that of me. Thanks

Team H&K
10-01-2008, 10:20 PM
Good night guys, have fun post whoring. :D

yunvme666
10-01-2008, 10:21 PM
how many forums did this get put on i just noticed its on soundpressure too.....

x2o
10-01-2008, 10:22 PM
Good night guys, have fun post whoring. :D

:awesome: <~not enough people use this smiley.

+1!

I've had multiple orders with Kent and all have gone flawlessly.

duece212
10-01-2008, 10:22 PM
Not taking sides, just noting wagonized general dickish attitude on here in the past. That combined with waiting so long to smear somebody's name means I could give a **** less about this.

BigJoker
10-01-2008, 10:23 PM
Thing thats true here is 98% of the people veiwing right now have purchased off me, 100% of those 98% have got there stuff fast after payment was recieved.

don't know about that. :rolleyes:

x2o
10-01-2008, 10:26 PM
don't know about that. :rolleyes:

Well I've received everything I've gotten from Kent within 5 days from sending payment. Not bad for being in FL ;)

Maybe I just got lucky?

Rawr-DQ
10-01-2008, 10:26 PM
This thread is fail, except for the post whoring.

Rawr-DQ
10-01-2008, 10:26 PM
^^ Right on.

slam
10-01-2008, 10:28 PM
Thing thats true here is 98% of the people veiwing right now have purchased off me, 100% of those 98% have got there stuff fast after payment was recieved.

I wouldnt say 100% got their stuff fast. I didnt receive my anl fuses in a timely manor. after 1.5-2 weeks of not receiving my anl fuses i had to pm u about them...... however, u did find the problem and shipped them out the next day. This was not a problem since i did receive the fuses. Still good service imo and would buy from again




yea wtf is up with posting currently active users in the threads anyways.....

x2 wtf

morgans432
10-01-2008, 10:31 PM
Kent has sent me stuff so fast it was scary. He is very easy to talk to and very respectable

x2o
10-01-2008, 10:31 PM
yea wtf is up with posting currently active users in the threads anyways.....

because it allows people to +1, and it was a large amount of viewers I guess. :rolleyes:

BigJoker
10-01-2008, 10:31 PM
Well I've received everything I've gotten from Kent within 5 days from sending payment. Not bad for being in FL ;)

Maybe I just got lucky?

i got my comps from him, but he keep lying about when he shipped them out.

x2o
10-01-2008, 10:34 PM
i got my comps from him, but he keep lying about when he shipped them out.

Ah, well he told me he shipped some of my stuff out on my first order with him, or maybe my second, and the next day the USPS man came to me with a very nice package :)

99grandprixGT
10-01-2008, 10:37 PM
I wouldnt say 100% got their stuff fast. I didnt receive my anl fuses in a timely manor. after 1.5-2 weeks of not receiving my anl fuses i had to pm u about them...... however, u did find the problem and shipped them out the next day. This was not a problem since i did receive the fuses. Still good service imo and would buy from again





x2 wtf

ya i had that happen on one order. but he was very easy to get in contact with, so its not like he ignored message or anything at least in my case. but it did not stop me from buying from him again. and this time i got my stuff in 3 days. hes a good guy in my book. if the tracking showed that someone signed for it i dont know what to say. unless they sent to wrong place.

scarolinablazin
10-01-2008, 10:38 PM
2 people both saying they were screwed on the same type of purchase sounds fishy to me on the sellers part. whats the odds?? maybe he like selling stuff he doesn't have to sell for a little extra cash flow. either way if the mods follow the rules he shouldn't be allowed to sell on here anymore until he proves he didn't scam them or gives their money back.

i'd say he got the guy for $2291 or whatever cause he's in canada and knew he couldn't really do much about it. but an FYI for every1. the statute of limitations on this kind of thing is 3 years so if the op wanted to he could report it to the sellers local authorities. that much money would be a felony. might be best to give the guys money back.

scarolinablazin
10-01-2008, 10:39 PM
ya i had that happen on one order. but he was very easy to get in contact with, so its not like he ignored message or anything at least in my case. but it did not stop me from buying from him again. and this time i got my stuff in 3 days. hes a good guy in my book. if the tracking showed that someone signed for it i dont know what to say. unless they sent to wrong place.

HE says it was signed for; wheres the PROOF it was signed for??

bones22
10-01-2008, 10:43 PM
HE says it was signed for; wheres the PROOF it was signed for??

not going to side with either person but this is almost a year old now and the guy pops back up with it.
read thru all the posts.
ups cant provide info about it anymore.
and the fact this guy didnt bother with it for so long why would H&K bother keeping anything from UPS

MisterGrubbs
10-01-2008, 10:47 PM
And FYI - yes there was a thread about do not buy from wagonized where he scammed someone, if anyone was wondering.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.


And you have to understand, out of the (honestly, probably) 1,000 transactions Kent has done on these boards, a few bad apples or extended shipping time isnt that bad. **** comes up, and **** happens sometimes. Kent still has one hell of a track record and I can personally understand not being able to not come up with proof of the tracking. IT WAS A YEAR AGO FOR CHRIST'S SAKES!!!!

Supergumby5000
10-01-2008, 10:48 PM
im on H&K's sid eon this one. a year later, and now wagonized is complaining heavily about it? I know the issue was brought up before (earlier), but it must have been taken care of then because H&K hasnt had any bad rep for it until now.

Im pretty sure one of you were down 2 grand, you would be slack about it for a year before brining it up. Wagonized has created a pretty interesting situation with his choices, with brining the issue up after UPS has no more information on the situation, or anyone for that matter. This is just too sketchy and too late for wagonized to sound legit here

bones22
10-01-2008, 10:56 PM
post #8
tried viewing the thread the guy linked but its been deleted

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320003

slam
10-01-2008, 11:01 PM
post #8
tried viewing the thread the guy linked but its been deleted

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320003

most likey means it was taken care of... but iunno

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:07 PM
most likey means it was taken care of... but iunno

yea reading thru another site linked there wagonized says he made good on it
but
he lost the $ and the amp to the guy

who knows tho

DUMPED
10-01-2008, 11:12 PM
for those that are saying that this is being brought up for the first time now, that is
incorrect.. this has been ongoing for a long time.

there is a thread on TP which has been ongoing for months where more than just a few issues have come up with the seller in this case.

there are two sides to a story always.. the seller has said his part..
the buyer/OP should come out and reply to what H&K has said..
not that much will get resolved...lol

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:15 PM
for those that are saying that this is being brought up for the first time now, that is
incorrect.. this has been ongoing for a long time.

there is a thread on TP which has been ongoing for months where more than just a few issues have come up with the seller in this case.

there are two sides to a story always.. the seller has said his part..
the buyer/OP should come out and reply to what H&K has said..
not that much will get resolved...lol

somewhat true
there are always 3 sides

the buyer
the seller
and then a combo of the 2 to make the truth

TheFiverMan
10-01-2008, 11:18 PM
hmm..interesting

rumblebee2
10-01-2008, 11:19 PM
not that anyone cares but, i recently bought subs off of h&k. here within a week. he answers his pm's quickly, and is a nice guy. and with so many dealings, do you think he would risk steady business from all of us over one transaction? $2091 or not!

06goat
10-01-2008, 11:29 PM
Ok yeah. Imnew to the forums, and normally just browse the pics... but stumbled accross this post.

Dont know either of the guys, Seller or Buyer.. But Im gonna have to believe H&k here.

1. Wagon has been viewing the thread and hasnt posted a response.
2. H&Ks Feedback and refs is off da charts!!!
3. Over a year old(wtF?)
4. Wagon has already been called a scammer.
5. H&K has emailed all shipping info, with signed papers.
6. Wagon was fine until a little bit after the Db race rules changed.

just my 2 cents.

2002XLT
10-01-2008, 11:34 PM
this thread *****. I just wasted 15 minutes. :crap:


Oh and h&k was good to me.

chunky cumz
10-01-2008, 11:35 PM
post #8
tried viewing the thread the guy linked but its been deleted

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320003

why??? do they delete old thread or was there a reason next to it when you searched?

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:37 PM
why??? do they delete old thread or was there a reason next to it when you searched?

im sure it got out of hand and was better deleted than left to grow

99grandprixGT
10-01-2008, 11:38 PM
it was requested from a dude on the forum that the OP listed, that kent should have listed the tracking numbers and the "chicken scratch" signature. kent responded to a post after that, but never responded to that statement. kent has an excuse for every dam last bad transaction he has. if this guy was tryin to claim u didnt send them and you knew you could be out over $2000 and you had the tracking number and the record of the signature, BUT NEVER POSTED IT!!!!!!! come on now....anybody else on here that did that would get shiit from everyone, is he special or something?

this happened a while ago. if you look at the original date of the transaction. thats why he cant come up with the signature now, unless your talking about when it first started. backin 07

DUMPED
10-01-2008, 11:41 PM
somewhat true
there are always 3 sides

the buyer
the seller
and then a combo of the 2 to make the truth


you're correct ;)

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:42 PM
he made that thread in feburary of 08

and now its october
would you keep any of the UPS **** when the guy dropped it for so long
i doubt anyone would

bad @SS chevy
10-01-2008, 11:43 PM
/thread

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:45 PM
so why didnt he tune everybody in with the shipping info then?

its a year old
and nothing has been brought up with this issue in 7 months
just for you
http://i33.tinypic.com/11vqiyf.jpg

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:46 PM
if its a $2000 transaction, your dam right. you must be a complete idiot if not ESPECIALLY for bein accused of not sending them, your just gonna throw away the info?

this isnt about me
and yes there must have been something that happened when the guy dropped the issue for 7 months. and he just now brings it up again.
must have some bills he needs to pay or something and thinks hes going to get some extra cash

WhoSayWho?
10-01-2008, 11:49 PM
All I know is that there was a thread about wagonized that stayed for about a month. He had what, over $1,000, of some guy's money all that time and no communication. He finally came through, but dam.

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:51 PM
hey, if your loaded like that to where you dont have to worry about a $2000 transaction goin sour and losin money, then you be the brilliant moron. especially when this guy brought it up right after the transaction went through and no shipping info provided, you should take a gander in the mirror and see what a real idiot looks like

ok he made a post in Feb of this year
heres when the transaction was made
Transaction date of my payments (2 payments) were Oct.20 2007 and Oct.29 2007.

read 1st post jackass

WhoSayWho?
10-01-2008, 11:52 PM
great call.....he came through

I am not sure what you are saying -- is that the standard?

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:53 PM
NO ONE ever seen any shipping info, do I have to repeat that for you idiots to understand?

NO ONE has seen any proof from wagonized either
dead topic

if H&K did screw him he cant prove it
if wagonized is trying to screw him there is still no proof

/thread

infamous_e46
10-01-2008, 11:56 PM
ummmm didnt wagonized scam that crap out of someone or some people on roe ?

bones22
10-01-2008, 11:57 PM
ummmm didnt wagonized scam that crap out of someone or some people on roe ?

several places

WhoSayWho?
10-02-2008, 01:09 AM
hey wagonized, maybe you should come in and at least say HI considering your the one that made the thread and we havent heard **** from you yet

IIRC it sometimes takes him a few weeks to respond.

duece212
10-02-2008, 01:10 AM
oh, is he the not refund or ship product for months guy? (wagonized that is)

kovemaster559
10-02-2008, 01:12 AM
team h&k is legit. / tread.

darkhunter139
10-02-2008, 01:26 AM
I dont get why you would wait 6 months to file a paypal claim?

And I would never spend 2 grand on the forums thats just stupid imo

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 01:29 AM
you paid over $1000 a piece for those SPL CELLS :laugh::laugh

WhoSayWho?
10-02-2008, 01:35 AM
oh, is he the not refund or ship product for months guy? (wagonized that is)

Ironic isn't it.

Twistid
10-02-2008, 01:36 AM
i'm neutral on this but......he may be telling the truth. Just because Kent has done right here doesn't mean he didn't scam this dude.


i hope not tho

AINT THAT THE TRUTH

trust me, you think someone is a stand up guy and before you know it ...

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 06:36 AM
hey, if your loaded like that to where you dont have to worry about a $2000 transaction goin sour and losin money, then you be the brilliant moron. especially when this guy brought it up right after the transaction went through and no shipping info provided, you should take a gander in the mirror and see what a real idiot looks like

I sent out shipping info for both batteries right away after they were shipped, I posted this in prior posts if you read it all.

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 06:43 AM
NO ONE ever seen any shipping info, do I have to repeat that for you idiots to understand?

Man why you got to name call, just crazy. You know you have missed info typed on this thread. Also I didnt flat out post on the info on the net for the privacy of the buyer. Believe it or not I care. All his info is on the UPS reciepts and I didnt want to do that to him, plus after I would email it all over I wouldnt here from the guy again. So wouldnt you assume that he was happy if it just drops all of a sudden? Thats what I though, and for your guys info, I never threw anything away. I did box it up and would have to dig it back out (which I need to try to do this weekend, obviously) But I do have this stuff somewhere, I have been screwed multiple times threw my shop and multiple times on the net. I learn over time to cover my own a** especially on bigger transactions. Times are getting worse and people need money worse and I am by no means rich, or I would sell anything that I have!

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 06:46 AM
AINT THAT THE TRUTH

trust me, you think someone is a stand up guy and before you know it ...

Trust you? sounds like you dont trust anyone yourself? I am not out to screw anyone over. I have had some issues on transactions, some my fault and some the shippers fault, but I try to make things right as fast as possible. But I am sure everyone has a made a mistake or two. And even when you tell people about the truth if something does go wrong, they still come back saying that "Your lying" or that "your trying to scam me" or whateva they say. Some people are two faced and back stabbers, it happens. But oh well I guess, its life.

blackbonnie
10-02-2008, 07:09 AM
i will vouch for you teamh&k.

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 07:11 AM
i will vouch for you teamh&k.

Thanks bud, but just some things with some people are just rediculous.If I spend 50 bucks....heck 10 bucks with someone and dont see it in a couple weeks I am emailing a ton trying to figure out whats up. I think thats human nature, maybe I am wrong?

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 07:51 AM
This Manor has been brought up a couple times, This manor has been tried to get takin care of, I shipped batteries, info was sent to wagonized, 6 montsh later, I get a paypal invoice requesting there money back, 1 day later paypal denied it. I am not sure how this keeps comnig up once every 5-6 montsh, As I have said to you before Wagonized, you either A - got the batteries or B - they got lost. But with 2k in stake I would be way more worried, I am not sure what the deal is, but I am in no way shape or form out to rob anyone, I could care less. But not sure on your behalf anymore! So I guess slander how you have to, I have had enough of this from you on Termpro.

you claimed to have proof that the batts were shipped but you never provided this to me. Prove to me that the batts were shipped if thats the case. I dont bring it up day after day because you keep doing nothing about it...and honestly to me $2k from a scammer isnt as big of a deal as my everyday activities. Infact, I had forgotten about it for a few months. I try posting about it on TP but clearly this is where I should have gone to get your attention.

Email me the proof you claim to have that the batts were shipped like you said you would months ago...because an email was never sent in the first place. Or you could even post it clearly on here if you like. You never sent my any such information to prove these batts were sent...and in all honesty after I paypalled you my final payment I didnt hear from you for a couple months until I asked you where the batts were and you admitted to have not sent them yet.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 07:59 AM
#1 Shipper has to file a claim with shipping company.....THEY do an investigation to find out where the package is/what happened to it...then reimburse the SHIPPER if it is indeed lost.

Shippee only has to notify shipping company and shipper of lost package, after that it is on the shipper to get reimbursed product to his customer....

But in this case...the shipping company is not going to have the records of this transaction after a full year..shoot they are going to laugh at Team H&K if he tells them the package was never delevered a YEAR ago!! It ***** for both parties..but come on man a FULL YEAR?? That is way too extreme..I could say yes and back you up if it had only been a couple - 6 months....but you sir have run out of steam....

its a full year to this point yes...i dont get on this site much...Ive been hounding him for many many months now...and getting the runaround.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 08:13 AM
Well you want a story here we go.....

Batteries were shipped, Tracking numbers were emailed to him 1st day of november. Never heard anything out of him, until the week after DB Drag changes the rules on Multi Cell Batteries in Street C. So now you cant run the batteries I sent him, so he starts posting that I ripped him off and he didnt get them. I dont jump to conclusions and call him a lyer, I try my best to contact him and figure things out of what happened. 95% of my emails to him were never responded to. So after a couple weeks of trying to contact him on the emails he gave me with no responses, I give up, think that maybe he was done trying or that he may have recieved them. Months go by, them boom, I get an email from his paypal saying that he is requesting a full refund of payment back for the batteries. And then the posts begin once again. This time I actually get half of my emails return, I take my time to goto UPS and get all the info I can, I re-email him with the copies of reciepts and tracking info from UPS and even a sig copy they gave me of someone signing for the two packages. I have work many hours trying to figure out how these dissappeared over the canadian border, and came up with nothing but badgering from this guy. I had pretty much what he paid me in product, labor and shipping. I am not rich and I am not stupid, I dont have the batteries sitting here so I cant provide a refund. And now after a year, UPS, Paypal or anyone will help anymore to take care of "lost" packages. What else can I do. If you got these and are saying this, then I feel sorry that your this kind of person, if you honestly did not get them, more attempts to work with me and UPS would of been appreciated so this would of been done a year ago. At this point there is nothing I can do, and its out on the table I guess, so deal with it how you have to Wagonized!
this is interesting...if tracking numbers were provided ther first day of November why do i have these pms from you on termpro?? You're a complete liar! I hope you never do business again from this.

NOTE THE DATE ON ALL THESE PMS. Kent if you think these are fake ill personally give a moderator on here my TP username and password to verify that theyre in my inbox unaltered.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts5.jpg

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE UP NEXT? I want my money back

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 08:16 AM
HE says it was signed for; wheres the PROOF it was signed for??


exxactly what ive been waiting for...for months and months. Its imaginery.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 08:20 AM
Ok yeah. Imnew to the forums, and normally just browse the pics... but stumbled accross this post.

Dont know either of the guys, Seller or Buyer.. But Im gonna have to believe H&k here.

1. Wagon has been viewing the thread and hasnt posted a response.
2. H&Ks Feedback and refs is off da charts!!!
3. Over a year old(wtF?)
4. Wagon has already been called a scammer.
5. H&K has emailed all shipping info, with signed papers.
6. Wagon was fine until a little bit after the Db race rules changed.

just my 2 cents.
1. i left my computer on ca.com all day...it doesnt mean i was viewing anything.
2. references mean nothing
3. look at my post count, im never on here. Ive been on TP trying to get my batts and money since November.
4. I worked out the deal with Tristan, he got his amp..i got my money...this is why the thread was deleted. GO ahead and pm him if you like about the transaction. Im not a scammer.
5. H&K didnt email anything or send it by pm
6. Ive been asking for updates on the batts since a few weeks after I paid. I told him I wanted a refund in January or February..it has nothing to do with the rules changing at all considering I didnt even know what class I was going to do at that point.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 08:22 AM
and now its october
would you keep any of the UPS **** when the guy dropped it for so long
i doubt anyone would

all he has to do is call UPS and they will have records based on his name. Any normal person would have done that by now rather than be taken to court for $2000...its a 5 minute phone call that he has to make..not me otherwise I obviously would have done it.

2000LaDe
10-02-2008, 08:29 AM
hmmmmmmmmm

audioarsonal
10-02-2008, 08:30 AM
Just wondering did you ever provide him your number?I didn't see a responce but it may have just been in a diff post.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 08:30 AM
just to sum everything up.

Lie#1
batts were not sent Nov.1 considering my many screen captures above have you admitting 5 months later that you STILL HADENT SHIPPED THEM.

Lie#2
Tracking numbers obviously were not emailed Nov.1 due lie #1..unless you shipped empty boxes. Which I wouldnt put past you at this point.

Lie#3
I sent a money request for $2091 through paypal on June 2nd...which was not denied 1 day later by them. Its infact still pending. As can be seen here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts6.jpg

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 08:31 AM
Just wondering did you ever provide him your number?I didn't see a responce but it may have just been in a diff post.

Yea he has my email address...phone number and i also have him on msn messenger with no contact whatsoever after payment was sent.

vitveet
10-02-2008, 08:51 AM
Wow....not looking to good for either party! I've personally had a few good transactions with H&K so I personally can't call him a scammer. But honestly, this situation seems to be leaning more towards wagonizeds' side.... Large amounts of money can make anyone turn sour. I've seen the best of the best go sour whenever they get in a "deal gone bad" that involved a large sum of mula.
Best of luck to you both!

V.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:01 AM
the only thing H&K has going for him in this post is some of his past feedback. However lets not forget he also has a ton of negative feedback aswell..he has no proof of anything for this particular transaction and ive already proven him lieing 3 times about this transaction alone.

Everyone has good feedback until they become a scammer.

scarolinablazin
10-02-2008, 09:09 AM
what do all the team h&k nut huggers have to say now?? Wagon proved his side.

Wagon just find out where he lives and contact his local authorities. What you have is more than enough for them to file charges. Guess he figured since you were in Canada or wherever you are that you were an easy target to scam. Looks like he drug you on just long enough that you couldn't file a claim with paypal. Refs be ****ed he's a scammer in my eyes and i'm certain the cops will see him as a thief. Grand larceny any1??

bdawson72
10-02-2008, 09:13 AM
This makes things interesting.

x2o
10-02-2008, 09:13 AM
I'm going to have to agree this doesn't look good for Kent. He seemed like a stand up guy from my dealings with him, but something needs to be said in here!

:hide:

MisterGrubbs
10-02-2008, 09:17 AM
I'll keep my mouth closed for now. I cannot read the PMs yet but from what I can tell Kent needs to come back with some rather substantial proof.

bones22
10-02-2008, 09:22 AM
well wagonized i cant and wouldnt take anything back that i said. since neither of you have done enough to fix this.

it would appear you did get scammed but as it has been said theres always another side.
at this point whatever H&K has showing they were sent or anything needs to get posted ASAP.

i just dont understand why you werent tearing into his *** daily on the net, phone, email, etc.... thats a lot of money no matter who you are or how much you have.

with all that stuff you just posted it seriously changes things. you should have posted them right away and things would have been much different from everyone.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:26 AM
well wagonized i cant and wouldnt take anything back that i said. since neither of you have done enough to fix this.

it would appear you did get scammed but as it has been said theres always another side.
at this point whatever H&K has showing they were sent or anything needs to get posted ASAP.

i just dont understand why you werent tearing into his *** daily on the net, phone, email, etc.... thats a lot of money no matter who you are or how much you have.

with all that stuff you just posted it seriously changes things. you should have posted them right away and things would have been much different from everyone.

this is true..with hindsight being 20/20. It wasnt so much on my mind because at the beginning of this year I decided to ease of on competing so much and focus more on my future...Ive been super busy with school and making money. This was honestly fairly low on my priority list...and with ex gfs and ex business partners unfortunately its low on the list of outstanding debts owed aswell.

kmanian
10-02-2008, 09:44 AM
this is interesting...if tracking numbers were provided ther first day of November why do i have these pms from you on termpro?? You're a complete liar! I hope you never do business again from this.

NOTE THE DATE ON ALL THESE PMS. Kent if you think these are fake ill personally give a moderator on here my TP username and password to verify that theyre in my inbox unaltered.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts5.jpg

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE UP NEXT? I want my money back

Kent (HK)

this isn't looking good, and I would be willing to say that if the shoe was other foot you would have acted sooner,(on this forum) however the evidence above showes he kept incontact with you and was patient. Unless I have missed somthing the burden of proof lies on you, he has proof of paying, correct? can you show proof of shipping? if not I am sorry, but in my opinion you need to make this right.

bones22
10-02-2008, 09:44 AM
this is true..with hindsight being 20/20. It wasnt so much on my mind because at the beginning of this year I decided to ease of on competing so much and focus more on my future...Ive been super busy with school and making money. This was honestly fairly low on my priority list...and with ex gfs and ex business partners unfortunately its low on the list of outstanding debts owed aswell.

fair enough id say school and a future would be more important than a 2000 loss. personally tho id want both
sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and take a loss
it would seem thats what will happen with this deal

at this point unless he provides something BIG
to you or posts so everyone can see it either way
taking legal action may be the only step. thats on your tho if you are going to take it serious.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:49 AM
fair enough id say school and a future would be more important than a 2000 loss. personally tho id want both
sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and take a loss
it would seem thats what will happen with this deal

at this point unless he provides something BIG
to you or posts so everyone can see it either way
taking legal action may be the only step. thats on your tho if you are going to take it serious.

yea legal action will definitely be taken. I personally dont want it to come to that, and Im sure Kent doesnt either.

kmanian
10-02-2008, 09:51 AM
I would also like to throw out there that the statute of limitations thing is a pile of crap. we are our own system right here, this is a matter that will effect us on this forum, when we deal on this forum it is based off the credit established right here, If HK is a man of his word like we all seem to have believed in the past, he needs to make this right! no matter if it was 1 month or 1 year.

MmatsDude
10-02-2008, 09:54 AM
fair enough id say school and a future would be more important than a 2000 loss. personally tho id want both
sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and take a loss
it would seem thats what will happen with this deal

at this point unless he provides something BIG
to you or posts so everyone can see it either way
taking legal action may be the only step. thats on your tho if you are going to take it serious.


LMFAOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT BE SERIOUS LMFAO!

bones22
10-02-2008, 10:04 AM
I would also like to throw out there that the statute of limitations thing is a pile of crap. we are our own system right here, this is a matter that will effect us on this forum, when we deal on this forum it is based off the credit established right here, If HK is a man of his word like we all seem to have believed in the past, he needs to make this right! no matter if it was 10 month or 1 year.

id say on the legal side its a big deal
but
things like this will destroy any real chance of selling online

no matter what forum its on this will always find its way back to him

bones22
10-02-2008, 10:04 AM
LMFAOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT BE SERIOUS LMFAO!

ok wheres the part that was so funny

sundownz
10-02-2008, 10:07 AM
Dang... its like a soap opera on here.

rollerdj
10-02-2008, 10:29 AM
Dang... its like a soap opera on here.

*starts wistle "days of our life" theme song*

Trey803
10-02-2008, 10:38 AM
I have learned two things from this thread:
Although H&K has not been proven a scammer

I would not buy from H&K
I would not sell to Wagonizer

Transactions should go much smoother than this

visitor
10-02-2008, 10:54 AM
I have learned two things from this thread:
Although H&K has not been proven a scammer

I would not buy from H&K
I would not sell to Wagonizer

Transactions should go much smoother than this

thanks for sharing. we all care. really.

x2o
10-02-2008, 10:58 AM
thanks for sharing. we all care. really.

:crazy:

chunky cumz
10-02-2008, 11:02 AM
this entire thread has pulled out the wortst in everybody on ca.com

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 12:22 PM
all he has to do is call UPS and they will have records based on his name. Any normal person would have done that by now rather than be taken to court for $2000...its a 5 minute phone call that he has to make..not me otherwise I obviously would have done it.

Let me responde on alot of this now... Although time is short this morning...

First off, UPS was contacted multiple times, along with you with no response. I have info from UPS, that was emailed to the email account you gave me, and yes at one point I had a phone number that never went threw. So no replies to emails and false phone number, that doesnt help me contact you. It looks like once again I need to take a ton of time out of my life (which is crazy busy) and dig up all this stuff again and find emails that I sent and all. I dont have stuff on my desktop like you appearantly do, but there is way more to it than what your showing. If it was 50 bucks I had invested, I would tell you where to go and send it to ya, but then you would have product and money, but I am not going to get scammed myself. I will be posting stuff on here, your information will be on it and I dont care at this point. You will get to see it this way since obviously your email "doesnt work"

NeedDirections
10-02-2008, 12:25 PM
this entire thread has pulled out the wortst in everybody on ca.com

Happens every time someone with a reputation as being reliable finds themselves in an uncomfortable situation.

If you went to a shop and bought $2000 worth of equipment and never received it, would you bite the bullet bones?

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 12:26 PM
the only thing H&K has going for him in this post is some of his past feedback. However lets not forget he also has a ton of negative feedback aswell..he has no proof of anything for this particular transaction and ive already proven him lieing 3 times about this transaction alone.

Everyone has good feedback until they become a scammer.

Where is my tons of negative feedback, I have a few things and everything was takin care of in an appropriate matter, they were not even as bad as your deal with Tristan.

And I would of been a "scamer" before I got all my good feedback, so how would that make sence? I dont want to rip you off, I wanted to see you use the batteries and do well with them, I have pm's asking for feedback after the batteries were shipped, I wanted to know how they helped.

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 12:30 PM
yea legal action will definitely be taken. I personally dont want it to come to that, and Im sure Kent doesnt either.

Kent doesnt care, I got my proof, if thats how you want to handle it, just do that already. I will take care of it on my end, so dont threaten me with that, I am really tired of wasting my time over the last 8 months off and on digging stuff up for you cuz you want a refund? I want my batteries back! But niether will happen, So if it will be taken do it. Why waste more time sending you stuff, when I can give it to the authorities and they can take care of it. What a way to wake up, great stuff!

bones22
10-02-2008, 12:30 PM
Happens every time someone with a reputation as being reliable finds themselves in an uncomfortable situation.

If you went to a shop and bought $2000 worth of equipment and never received it, would you bite the bullet bones?

not at all
im talking about this situation

it was bought online
a year ago

the chances of getting $ back are very slim
with saying that **** it up as a huge loss and learn
and of course take legal action

bad @SS chevy
10-02-2008, 12:31 PM
hey kent? have you shipped my Fusion 2000.1 yet? Ive been waiting for about 3 months?

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 12:39 PM
hey kent? have you shipped my Fusion 2000.1 yet? Ive been waiting for about 3 months?

Ya exactly, thats exactly how it is, why dont you hit me up in another 9 months?

slam
10-02-2008, 12:46 PM
Ya exactly, thats exactly how it is, why dont you hit me up in another 9 months?

I say all the ***** talking stops on both sides until proof of shipment is provided. just my .02

It dont matter if u proved to him that u shipped it out.. He called u out here and i think u should let all of us(ca.com) know that u are a man of ur word and not a pulling this guys leg. I think it matters if u want some of us buying from u again.

Andrew12
10-02-2008, 12:58 PM
I say all the ***** talking stops on both sides until proof of shipment is provided. just my .02

It dont matter if u proved to him that u shipped it out.. He called u out here and i think u should let all of us(ca.com) know that u are a man of ur word and not a pulling this guys leg. I think it matters if u want some of us buying from u again.

You're asking him to pull up info from a year ago though? Phone calls, emails, etc. The guy has his own business to run so I'd be suprised if he still has the transaction info in front of him after not hearing from this guy for that extended amount of time. I'd like to see it get resolved, but the OP has yet to convince me that he didn't recieve the batteries

slam
10-02-2008, 01:00 PM
You're asking him to pull up info from a year ago though? Phone calls, emails, etc. The guy has his own business to run so I'd be suprised if he still has the transaction info in front of him after not hearing from this guy for that extended amount of time. I'd like to see it get resolved, but the OP has yet to convince me that he didn't recieve the batteries

And yes im say that. But just proof of shipment.

Considering some of the evidence posted a few pages back i wouldnt personally buy from again until proven otherwise. but hey, thats me. Im sure others will still support him though

did u miss the pm's he posted a few pages back?

chunky cumz
10-02-2008, 01:06 PM
he can post negative stuffa about kent from a year ago all he wants.
thats fine, i will admit that bad stuff happens to dealers that have a large amount of sales.
Kent has done his part and if he had an ebay feedback score it would probably be 99.8&#37;.
Wagon, bottom line, it seems a little late to be saying so much about this. either sue or forget about it. i dont see this being resolved otherwise.

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 01:09 PM
And yes im say that. But just proof of shipment.

Considering some of the evidence posted a few pages back i wouldnt personally buy from again until proven otherwise. but hey, thats me. Im sure other have still support him though

did u miss the pm's he posted a few pages back?

I understand, and yes it has been a long time, but I do have the info still, this is something that I woundered if he would do again. I just got to dig it up. and with closing the retail shop I got a ton of boxes, so its not right in front of me but I have the info. Just need to locate it. I have delt with this alot and I am frustrated with it. So I would rather have the athorities come to my house and I give them the info and call it a done deal. But I will get it posted when ever I find the stuff. Even though it doesnt even pull up on UPS.com anymore. :(

J31Rob
10-02-2008, 01:10 PM
if this is still a huge deal, i am pretty local to H&K..

nevermind, i figured he'd take care of this.

audioarsonal
10-02-2008, 01:12 PM
The period of time this has gone on makes me suspect.I can't believe it woud be a low priority with such a large amount of money on the line.However Wagonized has posted evediance lets wait and see what Kent posts.

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 01:15 PM
Before I get off here today, being a year and being that I have taking tons of time to make Wagonized my priority for the past months! I cant do it now, this is not a priority as I have the info and will get when I get the chance, I am having huge family issues at the moment, people that know me understand what, others can call me a lier or that I am making up crap, dont care! I have to take care of the family first. Its my priorities. Just so all of you understand that!

slam
10-02-2008, 01:18 PM
Before I get off here today, being a year and being that I have taking tons of time to make Wagonized my priority for the past months! I cant do it now, this is not a priority as I have the info and will get when I get the chance, I am having huge family issues at the moment, people that know me understand what, others can call me a lier or that I am making up crap, dont care! I have to take care of the family first. Its my priorities. Just so all of you understand that!

that sounds like one of the pms u sent him? hrmm

Neways take care of ur family. They are always #1


I understand, and yes it has been a long time, but I do have the info still, this is something that I woundered if he would do again. I just got to dig it up. and with closing the retail shop I got a ton of boxes, so its not right in front of me but I have the info. Just need to locate it. I have delt with this alot and I am frustrated with it. So I would rather have the athorities come to my house and I give them the info and call it a done deal. But I will get it posted when ever I find the stuff. Even though it doesnt even pull up on UPS.com anymore. :(

I understand completely. Its a good thing u keep things for occasions like this. Think of this tho, if this happens to come back up u can always point to this thread and show ur not in the wrong.

Haunz
10-02-2008, 01:48 PM
Typical response from H&K... I sure didn't see that comming :rolleyes:


H&K you just claimed that you had shipped the batteries and had sent wagonized tracking info at the beginning of November... then we see PM's you sent nearly three monthes later with more BS about why the batteries had not been sent...

Why should ANYONE believe that you ever sent them ??

Innovative:Cory
10-02-2008, 01:50 PM
As a business owner I know I personally keep records of anything and everything I do, rather it be sales in general or shipping product. I keep records of shipping off RA'd equipment, for the customer's benefit and myself. I also keep records of shipping anything that I have sold. Too many people get crazy when money is involved. It's best to be a little **** retentive and cover your a$$ if something comes up.

This whole ordeal looks bad......

Haunz
10-02-2008, 01:51 PM
You might as well call the police on both sides of the boarder Wagonized... make police reports, file charges, and sue him...


(That is unless you are worried he will come up with his proof of shipment ?!)

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 01:59 PM
as of Feb 28th you had yet to ship out the batts :laugh::laugh::laugh:

You had the buyers money in hand as of November 3rd yet you were TOO BUSY TO SHIP OUT the batteries for 4 WHOLE MONTHS :rolleyes:

Oh please!!!!!!!!! sounds like you took the buyers money and used it towards other things and kept stringing along the buyer from months on end...

Four months and you couldnt even ship out these supposed batteries..
you had no problem accepting the buyers money in a timely manner but you took 4 FREAKING MONTHS

With one excuse after the other after the other...hahaha

Oh come on..

The burden lies on the SELLER to prove that the items were in fact shipped and received.. It is you H&K that needs to prove that the Batteries were shipped and that they were received also.. YOU need to provide that proof..

As for the excuses of its being long passed and the shipping company not having that information on file is a BS... For 2 thousand dollars I'd be hounding them like crazy to provide me some sort of documentation from the shipment.

As for the part about the buyer not caring he why dont you people try looking at this post seeing just how upstanding a person Kent is.

http://audioforum.termpro.com/topic/40/23662.html

The buyer has been on Kents case over on TP..

Like it was mentioned a while back there are always multiple sides to the story...
The buyer came on here and posted his side as well.

WhoSayWho?
10-02-2008, 02:11 PM
its a full year to this point yes...i dont get on this site much...Ive been hounding him for many many months now...and getting the runaround.



Meh, I don't really care to hear you b1tching about someone else. You are a ****** seller yourself and have zero credibility.

scarolinablazin
10-02-2008, 02:18 PM
seems the other guy he owes money to is also not in the U.S. whats the odds of that?? team h&k is a scammer plain and simple and now he's saying he'll get the info to prove his side when he has time?? sounds like he's just hoping everyone will forget about this and he can scam another person thats not in the U.S. just like he drug wagon on long enough that he couldn't file a PP claim. pure scum plain and simple.

scarolinablazin
10-02-2008, 02:19 PM
Meh, I don't really care to hear you b1tching about someone else. You are a ****** seller yourself and have zero credibility.

what you care to hear has nothing to do with this feg STFU and get a life nerd; mind your own **** buisness homo

ssackett
10-02-2008, 02:39 PM
I have bought from Kent before and I was surprised on host fast my stuff got to me. Good guy in my book..

Chevillac
10-02-2008, 02:43 PM
poosst

chunky cumz
10-02-2008, 02:44 PM
poosst

that puts you at 38,092

spike_e
10-02-2008, 02:45 PM
what you care to hear has nothing to do with this feg STFU and get a life nerd; mind your own **** buisness homo

!!!!????

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 03:24 PM
seems the other guy he owes money to is also not in the U.S. whats the odds of that?? team h&k is a scammer plain and simple and now he's saying he'll get the info to prove his side when he has time?? sounds like he's just hoping everyone will forget about this and he can scam another person thats not in the U.S. just like he drug wagon on long enough that he couldn't file a PP claim. pure scum plain and simple.

You have said a lot of worthless crap you know that? You dont know anything that has happened with any of my transactions, I would tell you to shut up, but it wont help, so keep rambling, and for your side nots, if there was a problem with anyone, they were refunded and Wagonized knows this, hence his pursuit for money. I am not going to be out 4200 bucks, wont happen. So know your story before you open your mouth! :banghead:

chunky cumz
10-02-2008, 03:35 PM
is emeral would say.... BAMMMMMMMMMM

Chevillac
10-02-2008, 03:37 PM
You have said a lot of worthless crap you know that? You dont know anything that has happened with any of my transactions, I would tell you to shut up, but it wont help, so keep rambling, and for your side nots, if there was a problem with anyone, they were refunded and Wagonized knows this, hence his pursuit for money. I am not going to be out 4200 bucks, wont happen. So know your story before you open your mouth! :banghead:

Just a suggestion, you should either
1) post the proof to shut everyone up or
2) Just leave this whole thing alone completely.

This endless bickering and responding to people in here is going nowhere.

chunky cumz
10-02-2008, 03:39 PM
Just a suggestion, you should either
1) post the proof to shut everyone up or
2) Just leave this whole thing alone completely.

This endless bickering and responding to people in here is going nowhere.

is chevillac getting a little hostile for once?
you need a hug

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 03:41 PM
Just a suggestion, you should either
1) post the proof to shut everyone up or
2) Just leave this whole thing alone completely.

This endless bickering and responding to people in here is going nowhere.

My response is becuase this guys is in no way shape or form involved, As soon as I get the stuff around it will be posted as I have said, Alsp If I leave this alone until I find everything then everyone will keep calling me a scammer and that I just left and all that, I am not leaving and have nothing to hide!

Chevillac
10-02-2008, 03:50 PM
is chevillac getting a little hostile for once?
you need a hug
i dont know how you viewed that as hostile. I was giving a suggestion. Him posting responding to other people is just fuel to the fire, and solves nothing.

My response is becuase this guys is in no way shape or form involved, As soon as I get the stuff around it will be posted as I have said, Alsp If I leave this alone until I find everything then everyone will keep calling me a scammer and that I just left and all that, I am not leaving and have nothing to hide!

Exactly, so why even respond to him, learn to ignore the people that do not in any way affect your life. Only deal with the person involved. Posting proof would shut him and everyone up, or just leave this whole thing and never look back.

Those are your only 2 real options. It seems like you are picking option 1. Until you post proof ignore this thread, its going to do nothing to help your case.

chunky cumz
10-02-2008, 03:53 PM
i dont know how you viewed that as hostile. I was giving a suggestion. Him posting responding to other people is just fuel to the fire, and solves nothing.


Exactly, so why even respond to him, learn to ignore the people that do not in any way affect your life. Only deal with the person involved. Posting proof would shut him and everyone up, or just leave this whole thing and never look back.

Those are your only 2 real options. It seems like you are picking option 1. Until you post proof ignore this thread, its going to do nothing to help your case.

Dr. Chevillac just took Phil's job. :yureawsm:

kmanian
10-02-2008, 03:56 PM
You have said a lot of worthless crap you know that? You dont know anything that has happened with any of my transactions, I would tell you to shut up, but it wont help, so keep rambling, and for your side nots, if there was a problem with anyone, they were refunded and Wagonized knows this, hence his pursuit for money. I am not going to be out 4200 bucks, wont happen. So know your story before you open your mouth! :banghead:

Kent, this is Kent,

anyways, I want to point out that I don't know the whole story, but I don't get the math, how would you be out $4,200?

Innovative:Cory
10-02-2008, 04:01 PM
Kent, this is Kent,

anyways, I want to point out that I don't know the whole story, but I don't get the math, how would you be out $4,200?



I think Kent is implying that op did get the batteries=2100, and is asking for a refund of 2100..... so 2100 and 2100=4200

kmanian
10-02-2008, 04:04 PM
I think Kent is implying that op did get the batteries=2100, and is asking for a refund of 2100..... so 2100 and 2100=4200


but even if he did get the batts, he paid him the $2100, so hk would be out $2,100, not $4,200.

Unless your usind the polish math system;)

TSGP
10-02-2008, 04:06 PM
You're asking him to pull up info from a year ago though? Phone calls, emails, etc. The guy has his own business to run so I'd be suprised if he still has the transaction info in front of him after not hearing from this guy for that extended amount of time. I'd like to see it get resolved, but the OP has yet to convince me that he didn't recieve the batteries

thats true...but "technically" if he owns a shop and is a dealer for any of the product he sells, he isn't supposed to be selling on here anyway.

I like to think i'm friends with both H&K and Wagonized...and its totally possible someone in customs just stole them (something similar happend to Ray and Terry Brocks a couple of times with 9900s)

And Dustin was actually being pretty cool about the situation for the 4 months or so it took Kent to ship them off (paid in November and said she shipped in feb)

Its a messed up situation for sure

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 04:09 PM
He claims he'd be out $4200 because he would have to send back the buyer the 2100 plus he would be out the $2100 worth of batteries that he said he sent out and that the buyer has supposedly..

Can the seller explain why it took 4 MONTHS+ to get the batteries sent out?
we are not talking about a week or two.. We are talking about 1/3 of a YEAR
And if you're going to reply with excuses about life happened, this happened and that
happened spare the explanation.. Give a concrete reason.. A VALID reason for the 4 month+ delay

Innovative:Cory
10-02-2008, 04:10 PM
but even if he did get the batts, he paid him the $2100, so hk would be out $2,100, not $4,200.

Unless your usind the polish math system;)



No he would be out $2100 in cash...

And $2100 in batteries, thus $4200

scarolinablazin
10-02-2008, 04:12 PM
You have said a lot of worthless crap you know that? You dont know anything that has happened with any of my transactions, I would tell you to shut up, but it wont help, so keep rambling, and for your side nots, if there was a problem with anyone, they were refunded and Wagonized knows this, hence his pursuit for money. I am not going to be out 4200 bucks, wont happen. So know your story before you open your mouth! :banghead:

seems like you're mad that i figured out your scam. and there is no way it would be 4200 moron you already stole 2100 from wagon. i hope he actually does find out how to press charges against you. people like you ruin it for the honest sellers/buyers on here. it doesn't matter if you have 1 million good refs; it doesn't give you the right to screw 1 person much les the many that you either stole from or took forever to ship or refund. and every case i read you purposely avoided even the ones you refunded or shipped to for months at a time.
YOU ARE A FILTHY SCAMMER PERIOD

TSGP
10-02-2008, 04:12 PM
No he would be out $2100 in cash...

And $2100 in batteries, thus $4200

not to stir the pot anymore then its already been stirred....but if I recall the batteries were just a bunch of cells linked together similar to a batcap but in a smaller case.

He wouldn't be out 2100...maybe 500 per battery in materials then I bet the rest was made up in labor

scarolinablazin
10-02-2008, 04:14 PM
No he would be out $2100 in cash...

And $2100 in batteries, thus $4200

the BUYER paid the 2100 for the batteries.

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 04:15 PM
not to stir the pot anymore then its already been stirred....but if I recall the batteries were just a bunch of cells linked together similar to a batcap but in a smaller case.

He wouldn't be out 2100...maybe 500 per battery in materials then I bet the rest was made up in labor


exactly... like I said in a previous post...

he paid 2100 for a pair of SPL CELLS....hahahahahaha
there is no way those backyard made multicell batts are worth that much..

headlesskoopa
10-02-2008, 04:18 PM
didnt he say he shipped in nov, so did he lie about that or the pms fake.

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 04:19 PM
didnt he say he shipped in nov, so did he lie about that or the pms fake.

exactly ;)

Innovative:Cory
10-02-2008, 04:21 PM
the BUYER paid the 2100 for the batteries.



Yes the buyer did pay $2100 for batteries...I understand this... I am not going to get on here and say that the op is right in this matter, and I am not going to say that Kent is right in this matter, because in all honesty its none of my business, I personally wouldn't do business with either of them after the way things have been handled on both ends.


Let me break this down for you...... Lets say KENT DID ship the batteries... op paid him for $2100 worth of batteries...IF OP DID GET THE BATTERIES, AND THEN GOT A REFUND. Kent would be out $2100 worth of batteries and $2100 for a refund. Make sense yet?

Now in all honesty TSGP is correct, I am not going to sell anything for cost or below cost and loose money on the deal, so lets say Kent has $1500 in the batteries, he then would only be out $3600.....

Now please read everything in this post before someone else chimes in that "kent isn't out money".... I was saying this as an "IF KENT SHIPPED THE BATT'S AND OP RECIEVED THE BATT'S SCENARIO"......

Kent believes that OP did in fact get that batteries...
Op states he didn't get the batteries and wants his money....
Kent doesn't want to send the money back if OP did get the batteries...

make sense yet???

kmanian
10-02-2008, 04:21 PM
You're asking him to pull up info from a year ago though? Phone calls, emails, etc. The guy has his own business to run so I'd be suprised if he still has the transaction info in front of him after not hearing from this guy for that extended amount of time. I'd like to see it get resolved, but the OP has yet to convince me that he didn't recieve the batteries

I don't have a dog in the race, except for the fact of hate scammers and wanting to see Kent keep his rep, via a solution that works for both parties.

The OP has been asking for the batts or money from the first month, just on other forums. and please tell he how is th OP suposed to prove he didn't recieve the batteries? Dumb ***.

photocrazy8
10-02-2008, 04:25 PM
this thread reminds me why i dont ever come on this forum any more...

TSGP
10-02-2008, 04:25 PM
Guys, you don't seem to realize how much people at UPS like audio equipment :)

Terry Brocks had some 99zs sent to him. At one check point they were 60 pounds or so...at the next the packages were 2 pounds each.

Someone on the line took his subs.

Its possibly although not likely because not many people knew what spl cells are, that the same thing happened

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 04:27 PM
actually there are two things...

first off the responsibility and onus is on the Seller to prove that the batteries were shipped and more importantly that they were received.. Received being the operative word...

Second thing upon thinking abou it.. The seller at the most would only be out $2100 if you really think about it...

Remember the $2100 he received from the buyer as payment was never his to begin with..
So the most that KENT would be out is his own personal investment he has into the batteries which is NOWHERE near $2100 he sold them for...

kmanian
10-02-2008, 04:28 PM
Guys, you don't seem to realize how much people at UPS like audio equipment :)

Terry Brocks had some 99zs sent to him. At one check point they were 60 pounds or so...at the next the packages were 2 pounds each.

Someone on the line took his subs.

Its possibly although not likely because not many people knew what spl cells are, that the same thing happened

your totally correct. but there was a paper trail, and Kent needs to find the paper. or a tracking #, Kent did you forward the tracking info to him?

99grandprixGT
10-02-2008, 04:29 PM
how about we all wait for H &K to post up the info he says he has, before you guys all go calling him a scammer.

headlesskoopa
10-02-2008, 04:29 PM
exactly ;)

i thought i missed something because kent never adressed those pm's that got posted on page 12 i think

kmanian
10-02-2008, 04:30 PM
actually there are two things...

first off the responsibility and onus is on the Seller to prove that the batteries were shipped and more importantly that they were received.. Received being the operative word...

Second thing upon thinking abou it.. The seller at the most would only be out $2100 if you really think about it...

Remember the $2100 he received from the buyer as payment was never his to begin with..
So the most that KENT would be out is his own personal investment he has into the batteries which is NOWHERE near $2100 he sold them for...

if the seller actually didn't recieve them.

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 04:32 PM
all Kent needs to do is to provide documentation and proof that not only did he send the batteries... but that they were also received...

he needs to provide documentation on WHEN, WHERE and WHO received them...

if he can do that then the buyer is SOL....

but untill then the buyer has nothing to prove at this point since he has provided all the documentation on his side...

kmanian
10-02-2008, 04:33 PM
also, Kent what make you think the buyer recieved them?

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 04:34 PM
if the seller actually didn't recieve them.

if the seller received them then he made out HUGE...
well he made out $2100 (RETAIL COST :laugh:) HUGE

kmanian
10-02-2008, 04:35 PM
all Kent needs to do is to provide documentation and proof that not only did he send the batteries... but that they were also received...

he needs to provide documentation on WHEN, WHERE and WHO received them...

if he can do that then the buyer is SOL....

but untill then the buyer has nothing to prove at this point since he has provided all the documentation on his side...

Agreed


the onis falls on Kent

99grandprixGT
10-02-2008, 04:37 PM
also, Kent what make you think the buyer recieved them?

he sid earlier that the tracking showed it was delived and signed for. so unless it was the wrong adress or some thing


the signature was a mess,looked like chicken scratches. And now its not in there system anymore? :crap:

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 04:54 PM
he sid earlier that the tracking showed it was delived and signed for. so unless it was the wrong adress or some thing


hahahaha...
you mean the same way he said it was shipped out back in November :laugh::laugh:

oh come on.. we said PROOF...show PROOF!!!!

as stated the ONUS is on KENT.....
if he can provide actuall proof and documentation to back up and
substantiate what he is saying then it will then fall back on the buyer
to reply...

BobbyDD
10-02-2008, 05:01 PM
The funny part is that some people actually think H&K could be out $4200.:laugh: Kent should at least explain why he lied about them being shipped out in November.

99grandprixGT
10-02-2008, 05:05 PM
The funny part is that some people actually think H&K could be out $4200.:laugh: Kent should at least explain why he lied about them being shipped out in November.

than can you explain? if he sold them to him for 2100 and lets say he received them. and H&K gives him the 2100 cash so hes out 2100 for the batterys value and 2100 cash or am i thinking about it wrong?

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 05:05 PM
The funny part is that some people actually think H&K could be out $4200.:laugh: Kent should at least explain why he lied about them being shipped out in November.


people dont know how to do math..thats all..
the most he'd be out is a couple hundred bucks per battery
and his own time...

these are not mass produced batteries..let get that straight..
these are individually produced batteries in his garage or living room..
thats all...

BobbyDD
10-02-2008, 05:06 PM
than can you explain? if he sold them to him for 2100 and lets say he received them. and H&K gives him the 2100 cash so hes out 2100 for the batterys value and 2100 cash or am i thinking about it wrong?

He would just be giving back the cash that he was paid. His only loss would be the batteries.

stuckinok
10-02-2008, 05:07 PM
I was scammed out of a hour of my life by reading through this.

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 05:07 PM
than can you explain? if he sold them to him for 2100 and lets say he received them. and H&K gives him the 2100 cash so hes out 2100 for the batterys value and 2100 cash or am i thinking about it wrong?

you're wrong...
its simple math bro..
the $2100 was never his to begin with....
the only item of value which he "would be out" is the two batteries..
thats all....

slam
10-02-2008, 05:07 PM
HAHAHAHAH omg some ppl need to stay in school or atleast pay attention

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 05:08 PM
He would just be giving back the cash that he was paid. His only loss would be the batteries.


BINGO!!!!!!!! ;)
matho owns many people on this board...

TurdFergueson2
10-02-2008, 05:32 PM
Well I decided to call UPS. I was told that as long as you have the tracking number the package can be tracked up to 18 months. That goes the same for international shipments as well.

So H&K or the the OP should have no issues tracking it if they call in to UPS. It may still be available online as well.

Both sides seem sort of hard to believe if you ask me. If I had 2K+ tied up into anything, I would not have waited so long to seek action. Also as a company it seems like H&K has a lot of shipping issues and family related issues. Your reputation on forums only grows if people KNOW you can be trusted with large amounts of someone's money. I just feel like you are not necessarily a scammer, but you are in some instances a poor businessman. This situation may or may not even be your fault. I just gave you what you needed to have in order to either clear your good name or run it further into the ground. If you can throw up that tracking number, your critics can be proven wrong and your supporters can further know that they are backing up a good guy.

Disregard if you used some other means to ship.

headlesskoopa
10-02-2008, 05:40 PM
Well I decided to call UPS. I was told that as long as you have the tracking number the package can be tracked up to 18 months. That goes the same for international shipments as well.

So H&K or the the OP should have no issues tracking it if they call in to UPS. It may still be available online as well.

Both sides seem sort of hard to believe if you ask me. If I had 2K+ tied up into anything, I would not have waited so long to seek action. Also as a company it seems like H&K has a lot of shipping issues and family related issues. Your reputation on forums only grows if people KNOW you can be trusted with large amounts of someone's money. I just feel like you are not necessarily a scammer, but you are in some instances a poor businessman. This situation may or may not even be your fault. I just gave you what you needed to have in order to either clear your good name or run it further into the ground. If you can throw up that tracking number, your critics can be proven wrong and your supporters can further know that they are backing up a good guy.

Disregard if you used some other means to ship.
good job on calling

slam
10-02-2008, 05:44 PM
He is talking about me, Something that I tried to work with him on, but he kept telling me he was worried about the money, But would never talk to FED EX about the insureance.

i believe it was fed ex

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 05:46 PM
Well I decided to call UPS. I was told that as long as you have the tracking number the package can be tracked up to 18 months. That goes the same for international shipments as well.

So H&K or the the OP should have no issues tracking it if they call in to UPS. It may still be available online as well.

Both sides seem sort of hard to believe if you ask me. If I had 2K+ tied up into anything, I would not have waited so long to seek action. Also as a company it seems like H&K has a lot of shipping issues and family related issues. Your reputation on forums only grows if people KNOW you can be trusted with large amounts of someone's money. I just feel like you are not necessarily a scammer, but you are in some instances a poor businessman. This situation may or may not even be your fault. I just gave you what you needed to have in order to either clear your good name or run it further into the ground. If you can throw up that tracking number, your critics can be proven wrong and your supporters can further know that they are backing up a good guy.

Disregard if you used some other means to ship.

great job on calling and looking into it..
and for the record here is what the seller said...

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5235604&postcount=38

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 05:47 PM
i believe it was fed ex

I think the seller needs to get his story straight... :laugh:
take a look at this post

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5235604&postcount=38 :confused:

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 05:47 PM
Well let me explain something and appologize. I was wrong on the shipping time, it has been a while and I was wrong, sorry. Also people dont know the money value that goes into these batteries and the time that it takes to assemble them. Obviously you dont if you think it costs 300 a battery in matterials. Lets say this, I almost gave him free labor on the batteries after the shipping was paid. Therefor I would be close to losing all the money that I would send back. I will get tracking info up when I do locate it and then you guys can see and me and wagonized can go from there....

Also the hub I ship threw in Waterloo Indiana didnt say the same, they told me 6 months on information for tracking on UPS. But I didnt call there corp or anything, just the employees at that hub? So who knows, I just want this taken care of and out of the way, so I will post when I get everything around, and since I was getting ready to take the big multi cells off the site I will even post reciepts of the batteries that I bought for wagonized battery,. and you can all see my costs. Not that I care, since I pretty much gave the batteries away in my eyes and this is how I get treated for the next year ;(

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 05:48 PM
i believe it was fed ex

that was for JaredSPL, sorry

pilyin
10-02-2008, 05:48 PM
i believe it was fed ex

No that was for someone else. H&K has stated multiple times that he sent it UPS. In November.

I've got no dog in this fight, but H&K, you need to address:
1) The IM's that were posted. What took you so long to ship (if you did).
2) You said that UPS can't track it this far out, but it has been found out that you can track up to 18 months now.

slam
10-02-2008, 05:48 PM
oh snap!!!! Im sure u meant the seller but neways that dont look good either

edit: gotcha. sorry

no more post here for me im just gonna wait

Andrew_as
10-02-2008, 05:55 PM
This thread grew faster than db's thread lol!

TurdFergueson2
10-02-2008, 06:00 PM
Well let me explain something and appologize. I was wrong on the shipping time, it has been a while and I was wrong, sorry. Also people dont know the money value that goes into these batteries and the time that it takes to assemble them. Obviously you dont if you think it costs 300 a battery in matterials. Lets say this, I almost gave him free labor on the batteries after the shipping was paid. Therefor I would be close to losing all the money that I would send back. I will get tracking info up when I do locate it and then you guys can see and me and wagonized can go from there....

Also the hub I ship threw in Waterloo Indiana didnt say the same, they told me 6 months on information for tracking on UPS. But I didnt call there corp or anything, just the employees at that hub? So who knows, I just want this taken care of and out of the way, so I will post when I get everything around, and since I was getting ready to take the big multi cells off the site I will even post reciepts of the batteries that I bought for wagonized battery,. and you can all see my costs. Not that I care, since I pretty much gave the batteries away in my eyes and this is how I get treated for the next year ;(


Call 1 800 PICK UPS. Hit 0 twice and ask the rep. I was told 18 months you can track it through them, and when I asked about international shipments they had to direct me to another department. That guy told me 18 months on international, but tracking online might in some instances be like 90 days. that just means that the average Joe can't go online and track it like some here may want to, but that same Joe can call that number listed above for up to 18 months.

And unless you took a 2K+ loss, you didn't give away anything. You undersold yourself. **** happens. I do a lot of freelance computer work, and I can never overcharge what BB does. I basically do it at cost of parts if needed and maybe 20-30 for me.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:44 PM
thats true...but "technically" if he owns a shop and is a dealer for any of the product he sells, he isn't supposed to be selling on here anyway.

I like to think i'm friends with both H&K and Wagonized...and its totally possible someone in customs just stole them (something similar happend to Ray and Terry Brocks a couple of times with 9900s)

And Dustin was actually being pretty cool about the situation for the 4 months or so it took Kent to ship them off (paid in November and said she shipped in feb)

Its a messed up situation for sure

heres another twist to the situation. Kent blames customs for losing my package. I didnt have it shipped across the border. I have a 2nd address 5 minutes from my house in Washington that I had it shipped to in order to avoid complications and additional costs. One would think if he did infact ever ship these batts that he would have remembered they didnt go across the border.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:45 PM
didnt he say he shipped in nov, so did he lie about that or the pms fake.

like i said...the pms are not fake and ill give any mod on this site my password to check them

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:49 PM
all Kent needs to do is to provide documentation and proof that not only did he send the batteries... but that they were also received...

he needs to provide documentation on WHEN, WHERE and WHO received them...

if he can do that then the buyer is SOL....

but untill then the buyer has nothing to prove at this point since he has provided all the documentation on his side...

exactly...ive done all i can do. Its up to him to provide all this info. Even if he did lose the documentation...its still available on file from UPS. No matter how small of a priority he claims it to be for him right now, Id think it will become a much higher priority when hes labelled a scammer for the rest of this life because of this ordeal. You'd think he would take this a little more seriously...especially considering I caught him in 3 bold faced lies so far.

bad @SS chevy
10-02-2008, 09:51 PM
cliff notes on the 3 lies?

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:52 PM
Well I decided to call UPS. I was told that as long as you have the tracking number the package can be tracked up to 18 months. That goes the same for international shipments as well.

So H&K or the the OP should have no issues tracking it if they call in to UPS. It may still be available online as well.

Both sides seem sort of hard to believe if you ask me. If I had 2K+ tied up into anything, I would not have waited so long to seek action. Also as a company it seems like H&K has a lot of shipping issues and family related issues. Your reputation on forums only grows if people KNOW you can be trusted with large amounts of someone's money. I just feel like you are not necessarily a scammer, but you are in some instances a poor businessman. This situation may or may not even be your fault. I just gave you what you needed to have in order to either clear your good name or run it further into the ground. If you can throw up that tracking number, your critics can be proven wrong and your supporters can further know that they are backing up a good guy.

Disregard if you used some other means to ship.

Thanks for taking the initiative to call and do Kents job for him. I appreciate it.

chunky cumz
10-02-2008, 09:54 PM
This thread grew faster than db's thread lol!

ya and dbs been there for 2 months now lool

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:56 PM
cliff notes on the 3 lies?


just to sum everything up.

Lie#1
batts were not sent Nov.1 considering my many screen captures above have you admitting 5 months later that you STILL HADENT SHIPPED THEM.

Lie#2
Tracking numbers obviously were not emailed Nov.1 due lie #1..unless you shipped empty boxes. Which I wouldnt put past you at this point.

Lie#3
I sent a money request for $2091 through paypal on June 2nd...which was not denied 1 day later by them. Its infact still pending. As can be seen here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts6.jpg

cliff notes

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 09:57 PM
. Not that I care, since I pretty much gave the batteries away in my eyes and this is how I get treated for the next year ;(

need a tissue? Your crappy business practises are your own fault.

bad @SS chevy
10-02-2008, 09:59 PM
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

darkhunter139
10-02-2008, 10:03 PM
You would think with a transaction this big he would have kept all the tracking numbers and stuff on file in case anything went wrong.....

Both stories seem pretty lame at this point. If you look at the dates on those posts asking him to ship wagon did not ask for his money back for like 3 or 4 months. After the first 2 or 3 weeks or so you would think he would file a claim and try and get his money back

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 10:04 PM
need a tissue? Your crappy business practises are your own fault.

Funny thing is you have been emailed time and time again, with all information, but yet you say I didnt, I think of you as way more of a lier than I forgot a couple things, I am sorry I didnt have it marked to double check. you know how I feel about it, you dont ask for money back until DB Drag changes the rules so you cant use these batteries, then after I try to contact you (with no responses) I dont here from you for a long time, then you send this paypal request, and now here it is right before finals and your wanting money again. I know I shipped the batteries, and you thinking that your calling me a scammer and gettinga few people behind you doesnt bother me. You also said that 2k dollars doesnt bother you at all. I still dont understand that? It doesnt bother you on that money but your trying to scam me out of it? Also, you didnt even buy the batteries threw this forum or soundpressure?, funny how you cant email me about something, but you can post it on forums that had nothing to do with the purchase??? :wow:

mazdakid
10-02-2008, 10:09 PM
you're still the same seller no matter what forum its on. whats the problem with posting it here?

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 10:19 PM
why cant the seller come up with the documentation?
how hard is it to come up with the documentation proving
you sent the items.
how hard is it to come up with the documentation you have showing that the items
were received and signed for?

This is not something thats poped up over night..this has been on going for monts and
months..

One would think that if you're in this situation you'd have ALL YOUR BASES covered and
have the documentation on hand and ready to show to back up your claim and side of things
Instea you have excuses...how do you figure?

Also you have yet to explain your reasoning for lieing about sending out the batteries when you didnt.. You have yet to explain why at 4 months after your received payment you STILL HADNT shipped the batteries...

^^^^
EXPLAIN THAT :laugh:

lvjeffro
10-02-2008, 10:20 PM
Funny thing is you have been emailed time and time again, with all information, but yet you say I didnt, I think of you as way more of a lier than I forgot a couple things, I am sorry I didnt have it marked to double check. you know how I feel about it, you dont ask for money back until DB Drag changes the rules so you cant use these batteries, then after I try to contact you (with no responses) I dont here from you for a long time, then you send this paypal request, and now here it is right before finals and your wanting money again. I know I shipped the batteries, and you thinking that your calling me a scammer and gettinga few people behind you doesnt bother me. You also said that 2k dollars doesnt bother you at all. I still dont understand that? It doesnt bother you on that money but your trying to scam me out of it? Also, you didnt even buy the batteries threw this forum or soundpressure?, funny how you cant email me about something, but you can post it on forums that had nothing to do with the purchase??? :wow:

honestly it is up to the seller to provide proof of delivery and if there was a problem and the buyer didn't get them then the seller(YOU) would have to be the one to file a claim... why didn't you keep your paperwork??? I have my UPS reciepts from 3 years ago!!!!

Doesn't matter where he made the deal, he is informing us fellow CA.comers about your BS and it really makes no difference if he can't use the batteries due to rules, that is not for you to decide, If he got them he could have sold them...There is the other side to that coin...

Sounds like you need to get up off your deadbeat ***, call UPS and get a claim going ASAP, and if you can't and there is no proof of delivery then I think wagonized should file charges against you for fraud and take your *** to court!!!

Judge will only go by proof and it seems you have NONE... either give him batteries, his money,or provide proof that **** was shipped to the proper address...File a claim or whatever but do the right thing...

Team H&K FTL???

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 10:22 PM
Funny thing is you have been emailed time and time again, with all information, but yet you say I didnt, I think of you as way more of a lier than I forgot a couple things, I am sorry I didnt have it marked to double check. you know how I feel about it, you dont ask for money back until DB Drag changes the rules so you cant use these batteries, then after I try to contact you (with no responses) I dont here from you for a long time, then you send this paypal request, and now here it is right before finals and your wanting money again. I know I shipped the batteries, and you thinking that your calling me a scammer and gettinga few people behind you doesnt bother me. You also said that 2k dollars doesnt bother you at all. I still dont understand that? It doesnt bother you on that money but your trying to scam me out of it? Also, you didnt even buy the batteries threw this forum or soundpressure?, funny how you cant email me about something, but you can post it on forums that had nothing to do with the purchase??? :wow:


I never received any emails from you. I gave you my proper phone number..which I have proof of on another pm on TP which I dont care to post on here for obvious reasons...the number was never out of service. Ive had the same number for 3 years.

As I said in a previous post...the rules changing in dbdrag has nothing to do with it because I didnt know what class I was going to run anyway. Im actually building a bassracer where I could use these batts still...however Id never support a company run with this pisspoor business practises. This is pathetic.

Im not going to finals this year so that excuse of yours doesnt fly either. The date has nothing to do with it other than I wanted updates on who the heavy hitters were this year so I logged onto TP and was reminded of this scam.

Without getting into my personal finances...no $2091 owed to me by someone who is obviously scamming me across the continent really isnt that high of a priority for me. What exactly can I do other than go on forums that you frequent to try and get your attention and to warn others that you're a scammer.

You're right this transaction didnt go through CA.com or soundpressure...it was mainly through TP. But when I hound you on TP you dont reply for months...so I come here and finally got your attention. Maybe if I did this a year ago when you were making excuses not to have the batts done I wouldnt be out $2100 in the first place.

Now what Im really curious about is if these batts are infact 0.2 db above the CS9000 like you claim. And Im also waiting for your 160+ SM1-2 score to pop up.

For the record heres another PM from you in September!! Before last years finals when I was trying to get multis and put myself in the running to win nationals and you said youd have them ready in 3-4 days. And you also originally quoted me $1450 for two batts but then jacked up the price another $641...so I find it really hard to believe that you didnt make any money off of these.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/chiefironbear/batts9.jpg

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 10:27 PM
why cant the seller come up with the documentation?
how hard is it to come up with the documentation proving
you sent the items.
how hard is it to come up with the documentation you have showing that the items
were received and signed for?

This is not something thats poped up over night..this has been on going for monts and
months..

One would think that if you're in this situation you'd have ALL YOUR BASES covered and
have the documentation on hand and ready to show to back up your claim and side of things
Instea you have excuses...how do you figure?

Also you have yet to explain your reasoning for lieing about sending out the batteries when you didnt.. You have yet to explain why at 4 months after your received payment you STILL HADNT shipped the batteries...

^^^^
EXPLAIN THAT :laugh:

If you can read, please re read what I have typed and you will get your answers :crazy:

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 10:27 PM
An increase from 1450 to 2100.............:laugh:
can it get any better :rolleyes:

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 10:29 PM
If you can read, please re read what I have typed and you will get your answers :crazy:

I read your answers...or should I call them EXCUSES... :rolleyes:
going out of town this.. busy that and all that other crap....

So you're telling me thats your reasoning for 4 MONTHS :laugh:
Are you serious?

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 10:34 PM
I never received any emails from you. I gave you my proper phone number..which I have proof of on another pm on TP which I dont care to post on here for obvious reasons...the number was never out of service. Ive had the same number for 3 years.

As I said in a previous post...the rules changing in dbdrag has nothing to do with it because I didnt know what class I was going to run anyway. Im actually building a bassracer where I could use these batts still...however Id never support a company run with this pisspoor business practises. This is pathetic.

Im not going to finals this year so that excuse of yours doesnt fly either. The date has nothing to do with it other than I wanted updates on who the heavy hitters were this year so I logged onto TP and was reminded of this scam.

Without getting into my personal finances...no $2091 owed to me by someone who is obviously scamming me across the continent really isnt that high of a priority for me. What exactly can I do other than go on forums that you frequent to try and get your attention and to warn others that you're a scammer.

You're right this transaction didnt go through CA.com or soundpressure...it was mainly through TP. But when I hound you on TP you dont reply for months...so I come here and finally got your attention. Maybe if I did this a year ago when you were making excuses not to have the batts done I wouldnt be out $2100 in the first place.

Now what Im really curious about is if these batts are infact 0.2 db above the CS9000 like you claim. And Im also waiting for your 160+ SM1-2 score to pop up.

For the record heres another PM from you in September!! Before last years finals when I was trying to get multis and put myself in the running to win nationals and you said youd have them ready in 3-4 days. And you also originally quoted me $1450 for two batts but then jacked up the price another $641...so I find it really hard to believe that you didnt make any money off of these.


You really dont understand why the price went up?? Are you kidding me? Have you not watch the prices in our economy? Lead is threw the roof man. And there is other people that have tested my batteries, guys like you that bought them I shipped them to them and they ran them, crazy your not the only one that has ordered them like you said, also I have sold my Street Max car. And I dont have the thousands of dollars to spend on amps and everything else for these classes these days. Believe me I knew you were going to be half like this I would of never sold to you in the first place. Your the reason the net gets such flack. I will try my best to locate all the paperwork tomorrow, but as much stuff as I have, probably be saturday. Glad you got the time to look stuff up. But like I said before, you threaten to get ahold of the local authorities, so have at it. I will have the documents waiting on them when they get here :veryhapp:

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 10:34 PM
Well you want a story here we go.....

Batteries were shipped, Tracking numbers were emailed to him 1st day of november. Never heard anything out of him, until the week after DB Drag changes the rules on Multi Cell Batteries in Street C. So now you cant run the batteries I sent him, so he starts posting that I ripped him off and he didnt get them. I dont jump to conclusions and call him a lyer, I try my best to contact him and figure things out of what happened. 95% of my emails to him were never responded to. So after a couple weeks of trying to contact him on the emails he gave me with no responses, I give up, think that maybe he was done trying or that he may have recieved them. Months go by, them boom, I get an email from his paypal saying that he is requesting a full refund of payment back for the batteries. And then the posts begin once again. This time I actually get half of my emails return, I take my time to goto UPS and get all the info I can, I re-email him with the copies of reciepts and tracking info from UPS and even a sig copy they gave me of someone signing for the two packages. I have work many hours trying to figure out how these dissappeared over the canadian border, and came up with nothing but badgering from this guy. I had pretty much what he paid me in product, labor and shipping. I am not rich and I am not stupid, I dont have the batteries sitting here so I cant provide a refund. And now after a year, UPS, Paypal or anyone will help anymore to take care of "lost" packages. What else can I do. If you got these and are saying this, then I feel sorry that your this kind of person, if you honestly did not get them, more attempts to work with me and UPS would of been appreciated so this would of been done a year ago. At this point there is nothing I can do, and its out on the table I guess, so deal with it how you have to Wagonized!


LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 10:36 PM
I read your answers...or should I call them EXCUSES... :rolleyes:
going out of town this.. busy that and all that other crap....

So you're telling me thats your reasoning for 4 MONTHS :laugh:
Are you serious?

You didnt read them, I said in a post it is not a thing that is over night to build. Thre is 162 cells that are hand soldiered in each case. So keep your font size down and read before you type. And I have no Excuses. You know nothing about me or this transaction, so reply all you want I am done talking to you. :laugh:

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 10:37 PM
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O and there is a post I made just about what I said, thanks again for not being able to read. :D

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 10:37 PM
You really dont understand why the price went up?? Are you kidding me? Have you not watch the prices in our economy? Lead is threw the roof man. And there is other people that have tested my batteries, guys like you that bought them I shipped them to them and they ran them, crazy your not the only one that has ordered them like you said, also I have sold my Street Max car. And I dont have the thousands of dollars to spend on amps and everything else for these classes these days. Believe me I knew you were going to be half like this I would of never sold to you in the first place. Your the reason the net gets such flack. I will try my best to locate all the paperwork tomorrow, but as much stuff as I have, probably be saturday. Glad you got the time to look stuff up. But like I said before, you threaten to get ahold of the local authorities, so have at it. I will have the documents waiting on them when they get here :veryhapp:

How did the price of lead go up in a MONTH? :rolleyes::rolleyes::laugh::laugh:
you quoted him that price end of September.
You got payment from him end of October..
Try another excuse

ughhibye
10-02-2008, 10:38 PM
pics of these said "super" batteries or cough cough home-made gimmick

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 10:39 PM
no worries seller...
you're a LIAR..you lied about what you said..
dont worry about me not reading and what not..
I'm simply bringing up what you said...

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 10:40 PM
pics of these said "super" batteries or cough cough home-made gimmick


operative word is home made..lol

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 10:40 PM
pics of these said "super" batteries or cough cough home-made gimmick

ok? well once again, people run these and do well with them. But you wouldnt know cuz you dont have them. And once agian its between me and Wagonized. So we will take care of it.

ughhibye
10-02-2008, 10:42 PM
ok? well once again, people run these and do well with them. But you wouldnt know cuz you dont have them. And once agian its between me and Wagonized. So we will take care of it.


in 5-10 years? **** it took oyu four months to ship (if you even shipped them out)

Team H&K
10-02-2008, 10:44 PM
in 5-10 years? **** it took oyu four months to ship (if you even shipped them out)

They were shipped, and now I am trying to get screwed over. so whateva?

stevexyz
10-02-2008, 10:44 PM
well, ups DOES provide tracking info up to 18 months. try this one: 1Z 6Y5 406 03 4284 984 8, it was delivered in March 2007, and you can still get the tracking info on ups.com

it seems fedex might provide tracking info up to only 12 months. try this one: 772584210000277, it was delivered in Jan 2008.

those are my own tracking #'s. i always keep all records (at least soft copies) of everything shipped from or to me.

from Wagonized's pm record, H&K still had NOT shipped the batts out in the end of Feb. so if he indeed shipped the batts out afterwards, no matter by ups or fedex, the tracking info can still be retrieved from their websites.

so H&K you do need to dig deep into your stuffs to get that receipt out man. lots ppl here vouch for ya, dun let them down. until then, this does make you look really bad. and even if you could provide a valid tracking #, it still made you look bad because it took way too long for you to ship, unless you can show the shipment was made out in Nov 07 like you said in the beginning, and prove Wagonized's screenshots were fake.

Wagonized
10-02-2008, 10:46 PM
Glad you got the time to look stuff up. But like I said before, you threaten to get ahold of the local authorities, so have at it. I will have the documents waiting on them when they get here :veryhapp:
I do have time to look stuff up because its $2091 invested...Id think you would have the time aswell because its $2091 that will be coming out of your pocket aswell soon.

You'll have the documents waiting when the authorites get there?? But you dont have them now and cant produce them now? Interesting.

servcosr5
10-02-2008, 10:47 PM
I have dealt with kent in the past and had no problems. very good in keeping in contact. we had a similar situation on ROE with a friend of mine here in Hawaii and Rich(stratusr/t). My friend's situation was very similar but the deal was for a sub. rich was saying that the sub was sent. my friend received no tracking number. much time ahd past and still no sub...rich then says he got the sub back. I posted that to show proof that he sent out the sub in the first place,and to help shut up all the people that didn't believe him was to post the tracking number...he said he lost it, but if he got the box back, wouldn't it be right on top of the box??? because of posting this, I got banned permanently... I say when Kent has the time to find the info that is boxed away, he will post it up and then it will be back in wagonized corner to dispute...

MmatsDude
10-02-2008, 10:50 PM
Lol @ this. I called UPS today to get some records of shipments i made 13 months ago they gladly pulled them out and gave me trackin numbers and records. Fedex willl do the same. Its only a 5 minute phonecall to the shipper kent. oh my oh my. pft

DUMPED
10-02-2008, 10:53 PM
the ONUS is on the seller to provide PROOF that he shipped out the product and that it was
received..

KENT needs to provide this proof...

2000LaDe
10-02-2008, 11:01 PM
omg people we understand the situation stfu.