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qkassidyw
08-29-2008, 03:50 PM
I have been installing security systems as long as I have been installing. Alarms/Remote Starts are probably my favorite installation to do because it still gives me a challenge and a chance to be creative over the standard deck and two. I take great pride in these types of installs and it makes me very angry when I see an alarm that is T-Tapped, completely exposed, or just poorly installed.

The quality of the installation on the alarm system is the key factor in the alarm protecting your vehicle.
For those that do alarms and need a refresher, or those that are going to be doing them here is a list of the essential things to do when installing an alarm. Also: I do not recommend doing your own alarm install unless you work in a shop or under someone that can properly train you. These are not something you want to mess with on your own as you could seriously harm your vehicles electrical system if installed improperly.

1. Correctly Prepping the Alarm
The alarm should be completely prepped before going into the vehicle. This means cutting and taping off all unnecessary connections on the brain. Group wires that will be going to the same location in the vehicle by twisting them together using a drill. Then wrap all grouped wires in good quality electrical tape. Make sure all wires are covered in tape so as not to expose the wire colors. If the thief sees any aftermarket colors he can trace them back to the brain.

2.Multiple Grounds
Have as many grounding points as possible. If a thief break in and sees the ground for the alarm and pulls it....the alarm is disabled. Have grounds everywhere...as long as they are hidden. Also, connect the ground to the sirens ground, you can ground that same wire under the hood, connect it to the radio ground, and any piece of metal in the vehicle. This tip is often overlooked but could be the saving grace in the install. Also multiple power wires is useful too, but make sure they are from different sources and not just multiple connections on the same wire.

3.Backup Battery
Keeping along with multiple grounds you should ALWAYS have a backup battery and the connections for this should be connected as close to the alarm brain's main harness as possible.

4.Location of Brain
If there is ANYTHING that will save your car...it is the location of the alarm brain. DO NOT just ziptie it up under the dash. Make sure the brain is completely hidden and out of the way. I put alarm brains behind glove boxes, behind stereos, under front seats, behind back seats (as long as it is not exposed), under shifter consoles, under center consoles. As long as you have to take a bunch of panels off to get to the brain you should be OK (and the panels just don't snap off).

5.Solder/Miltary Splice
Always, always, always solder your connections. By solder and tape I mean poke a hole in the wire, put the wire through wrap the wire, solder the connection makign sure the solder soaks through both wires, tape using high quality electrical tape makign sure to go both directions, and use a zip tie as stress relief at the base of the connection. DO NOT T-tap, your alarm will fail if you do, no quick connects, no but connectors, no crimp caps. The manufacturer would not use these connections so neither will you. Soldering is the best practice.

6.Wire Management
By wire management I mean having the alarm prepped properly and making sure once the alarm is installed you see no colors from the wires. Also, when getting your wires make sure they are not in an obvious place. The ignition harness is not the wires you can see going from the shroud into the engine bay. By using the wires you can see easily it makes it easier for the thiefs to find the brain. When getting your power, ignition, and starter wires get them directly off of the key cylinder so it makes it much more difficult to access the wires to bypass the alarm.


7.Piezo Sirens
Have sirens on the inside of the vehicle...and a lot of them. Piezo sirens are the really high pitched sirens that are almost unbearable when pointed at your ears. If you have a bunch of these under the dash the thief will have a harder time wanting to stay to steal the vehicle. Also, piezo sirens are easier for people to hear so it will draw more attention. When using more then two sirens, get a relay to power them.

8. Always Test
Always test every single wire you are connecting, verify what you are connecting by using a multimeter and NOT a test light. Also, physically test each feature after making the connection. If it is a door trigger, set the alarm and open the door to verify its functionality.


9. Two Way Paging
One of the greatest things to come along since sliced bread...two way paging. I highly highly recommend this since we are not always near our cars when they are getting broken into AND random strangers do not pay attention to alarms going off anymore. At the minimum get the 1/8 mile range which is good for when you are sleeping you can have your keys on the bedside table to wake you up. Otherwise for a little more money you can get up to a mile range, which I feel is worth it.

10.Brand Name Alarm
This is just as important as the rest of the tips...get a brand name alarm. Its your car, your pride and joy, your baby...spend a little more money and get the right alarm. Stick with Directed (Viper, Python, Clifford). I have seen so many crappy alarms out there its stupid.

Now I will speak about the LED, Valet, and Antenna. When running these make sure all wiring is hidden, and taped up because the LED should be externally visible and if the thief can see the wires then he will be able to tell where the brain is. The valet should be completely hidden...inside the center console, on the top side of the glove box, do NOT put it in the kick panel! For longest range on the antenna you should run the complete length throughout the install, meaning ziptie it to various portions making sure it runs the entire length.

Other tips:
Re pinning factory harnesses (Who doesn't know Honda Ignition Colors?)
Have two starter kills, one internally and one inside the engine bay
Have a fuel pump kill (Use fuel pump activation wire)
Backup battery/Siren Combo (DEI Module)
Ignition kill (careful with this because if the thief bypasses the starter kill but not ignition kill then he could ruin your starter)
On remote starts do not use the universal module unless you have to (Leaves Key inside of vehicle)
Add a switch to your valet button so even if the thief finds the valet, the switch has to be activated to use the valet.
Sirens in the hatch/trunk (Piezo Prefereably)
Use 3M electrical tape and good solder


So, those are my instructions for doing alarms feel free to chime in and I can add to the post.

krisfnbz
08-29-2008, 05:50 PM
I feel as if I am in the right direction... I have done/have planned most of these steps

RFCV
08-29-2008, 06:19 PM
Good Post :thumbupw:



random strangers do not pay attention to alarms going off anymore.


Even more reason for multiple extra sirens...both on the exterior & interior.

Innovative:Cory
08-29-2008, 09:25 PM
Very Very Good Post!!!!

Preach on Brother!!

krisfnbz
09-02-2008, 03:53 PM
This post should be a sticky in the security section, this is a very VERY helpful guideline.

IamMurph
09-02-2008, 10:57 PM
Yeas, very good info.

Zorasmiles
09-03-2008, 01:00 AM
Awesome freakin' post!!!!! I'm going to print this out and take it with me to have my alarm/starter put in lol...and I'm going to stay in the bay as they do it to make sure they have me security proof as you have mentioned!!!!! This needs to be a sticky!! THANKS

qkassidyw
09-03-2008, 02:35 PM
Awesome freakin' post!!!!! I'm going to print this out and take it with me to have my alarm/starter put in lol...and I'm going to stay in the bay as they do it to make sure they have me security proof as you have mentioned!!!!! This needs to be a sticky!! THANKS

Thank you for the complement, but I would go in there with this printed out, talk to the installer that will be doing the install and go over it with him before he does it making sure he will follow most if not all of the guidelines. Ask him where he will put the brain, ask him how the connections will be made (solder!), location of valet (not kick panel), etc.

I wouldn't sit there and watch him because as long as you guys have the understanding that he will do it then he will do it. Not to be mean but I HATE when the customer sits and stares at me doing the install.

When the install is done (before signing the paperwork), look under the dash and make sure you can't see the alarm wires/brain/bypass module. If its not done right then go back and make him do it right. I would suggest poking your head in every now and then to make sure it is being done right...just dont sit there the whole time.

THUNDERBIRD
09-21-2008, 09:39 PM
Awesome freakin' post!!!!! I'm going to print this out and take it with me to have my alarm/starter put in lol...and I'm going to stay in the bay as they do it to make sure they have me security proof as you have mentioned!!!!! This needs to be a sticky!! THANKS

most shops will not allow you in the bay, for insurance reasons. i kick mother****ers out on a daily basis. let me do my job uninterupted and it will be done faster and cleaner. my bay is in the basement of our shop so i go down to the dungen and shut the door crank the music and crank the alarm out. i normally take 2-3 hours for an alarm, because i take my time hide wires and test test test, test before your sucure the brain, after, before putting panels on and during then before giving it to the customer.

Ided
10-19-2008, 06:17 PM
Thanks for this post. I am beginning to plan out a new system and wanted to ensure that I make security a top priority. This gave me a great guideline to follow so thank you very much!

DemonaL
10-19-2008, 08:09 PM
Whats your take on Compustar alarms, and Autopage?

IDSkoT
10-19-2008, 08:16 PM
I'm not so sure I completely agree with you on "get only name brand". While these alarms are better quality, other alarms work just as well unless it's some ridiculous back-alley flea market brand.
I have an Autopage system and it works perfectly. I installed it myself, took the precautions... and I haven't had it mess up on me once.

BoxdGM
10-20-2008, 07:51 AM
I dont agree with the name brand part either, my last car i bought a Clifford RSX3.5 and had CC install it (they did an awful job too), the alarm quit working in less that a year (Remote wouldnt respond just beep)

My current car has the same alarm (different physical alarm, but same model #) and this one quit working right before i got the car.

qkassidyw
11-02-2008, 04:54 PM
I understand what you guys are saying about the brand name. Compustar and Autopage are decent brands as well. But the technical support, owners/installation manuals, etc is better with Directed in my opinion. As far as your alarms going out, the other benefit with going with Directed is that they have a full lifetime warranty on their alarms, and a year on the remotes.

defdaboss
11-02-2008, 06:46 PM
I have been installing security systems as long as I have been installing. Alarms/Remote Starts are probably my favorite installation to do because it still gives me a challenge and a chance to be creative over the standard deck and two. I take great pride in these types of installs and it makes me very angry when I see an alarm that is T-Tapped, completely exposed, or just poorly installed.

The quality of the installation on the alarm system is the key factor in the alarm protecting your vehicle.
For those that do alarms and need a refresher, or those that are going to be doing them here is a list of the essential things to do when installing an alarm. Also: I do not recommend doing your own alarm install unless you work in a shop or under someone that can properly train you. These are not something you want to mess with on your own as you could seriously harm your vehicles electrical system if installed improperly.

1. Correctly Prepping the Alarm
The alarm should be completely prepped before going into the vehicle. This means cutting and taping off all unnecessary connections on the brain. Group wires that will be going to the same location in the vehicle by twisting them together using a drill. Then wrap all grouped wires in good quality electrical tape. Make sure all wires are covered in tape so as not to expose the wire colors. If the thief sees any aftermarket colors he can trace them back to the brain.

2.Multiple Grounds
Have as many grounding points as possible. If a thief break in and sees the ground for the alarm and pulls it....the alarm is disabled. Have grounds everywhere...as long as they are hidden. Also, connect the ground to the sirens ground, you can ground that same wire under the hood, connect it to the radio ground, and any piece of metal in the vehicle. This tip is often overlooked but could be the saving grace in the install. Also multiple power wires is useful too, but make sure they are from different sources and not just multiple connections on the same wire.

3.Backup Battery
Keeping along with multiple grounds you should ALWAYS have a backup battery and the connections for this should be connected as close to the alarm brain's main harness as possible.

4.Location of Brain
If there is ANYTHING that will save your car...it is the location of the alarm brain. DO NOT just ziptie it up under the dash. Make sure the brain is completely hidden and out of the way. I put alarm brains behind glove boxes, behind stereos, under front seats, behind back seats (as long as it is not exposed), under shifter consoles, under center consoles. As long as you have to take a bunch of panels off to get to the brain you should be OK (and the panels just don't snap off).

5.Solder/Miltary Splice
Always, always, always solder your connections. By solder and tape I mean poke a hole in the wire, put the wire through wrap the wire, solder the connection makign sure the solder soaks through both wires, tape using high quality electrical tape makign sure to go both directions, and use a zip tie as stress relief at the base of the connection. DO NOT T-tap, your alarm will fail if you do, no quick connects, no but connectors, no crimp caps. The manufacturer would not use these connections so neither will you. Soldering is the best practice.

6.Wire Management
By wire management I mean having the alarm prepped properly and making sure once the alarm is installed you see no colors from the wires. Also, when getting your wires make sure they are not in an obvious place. The ignition harness is not the wires you can see going from the shroud into the engine bay. By using the wires you can see easily it makes it easier for the thiefs to find the brain. When getting your power, ignition, and starter wires get them directly off of the key cylinder so it makes it much more difficult to access the wires to bypass the alarm.


7.Piezo Sirens
Have sirens on the inside of the vehicle...and a lot of them. Piezo sirens are the really high pitched sirens that are almost unbearable when pointed at your ears. If you have a bunch of these under the dash the thief will have a harder time wanting to stay to steal the vehicle. Also, piezo sirens are easier for people to hear so it will draw more attention. When using more then two sirens, get a relay to power them.

8. Always Test
Always test every single wire you are connecting, verify what you are connecting by using a multimeter and NOT a test light. Also, physically test each feature after making the connection. If it is a door trigger, set the alarm and open the door to verify its functionality.


9. Two Way Paging
One of the greatest things to come along since sliced bread...two way paging. I highly highly recommend this since we are not always near our cars when they are getting broken into AND random strangers do not pay attention to alarms going off anymore. At the minimum get the 1/8 mile range which is good for when you are sleeping you can have your keys on the bedside table to wake you up. Otherwise for a little more money you can get up to a mile range, which I feel is worth it.

10.Brand Name Alarm
This is just as important as the rest of the tips...get a brand name alarm. Its your car, your pride and joy, your baby...spend a little more money and get the right alarm. Stick with Directed (Viper, Python, Clifford). I have seen so many crappy alarms out there its stupid.

Now I will speak about the LED, Valet, and Antenna. When running these make sure all wiring is hidden, and taped up because the LED should be externally visible and if the thief can see the wires then he will be able to tell where the brain is. The valet should be completely hidden...inside the center console, on the top side of the glove box, do NOT put it in the kick panel! For longest range on the antenna you should run the complete length throughout the install, meaning ziptie it to various portions making sure it runs the entire length.

Other tips:
Re pinning factory harnesses (Who doesn't know Honda Ignition Colors?)
Have two starter kills, one internally and one inside the engine bay
Have a fuel pump kill (Use fuel pump activation wire)
Backup battery/Siren Combo (DEI Module)
Ignition kill (careful with this because if the thief bypasses the starter kill but not ignition kill then he could ruin your starter)
On remote starts do not use the universal module unless you have to (Leaves Key inside of vehicle)
Add a switch to your valet button so even if the thief finds the valet, the switch has to be activated to use the valet.
Sirens in the hatch/trunk (Piezo Prefereably)
Use 3M electrical tape and good solder


So, those are my instructions for doing alarms feel free to chime in and I can add to the post.



i read 2 paragraph and i already know i dont gotta read anymore. A PLUS! you can install my alarm. that's how it's done

qkassidyw
02-17-2009, 04:17 PM
bump for good info and maybe a sticky?

:greedy:

krisfnbz
02-17-2009, 05:08 PM
I seriously got my alarm installed correctly because of this thread. Sticky this thread immediately.

maximpakt
02-20-2009, 08:44 PM
Yeah, the guy doing my alarm now is an electronics genius and very meticulous about doing everything just right. I looked him up and told him I would pay him by the hour to do it right. Everything is taken apart, well hidden, soldered and heat shrinked. So far he has been at it for about 12 hours and is just getting started. He will be working on it again tommorow. I may need to call visa for a credit extension before its done, but it wiil be done right.

qkassidyw
04-12-2009, 01:37 PM
bump because it fell off the page...

PHILS04WRX
07-04-2009, 04:27 PM
12 hours and the next day? :confused: He's not milking you is he?


Yeah, the guy doing my alarm now is an electronics genius and very meticulous about doing everything just right. I looked him up and told him I would pay him by the hour to do it right. Everything is taken apart, well hidden, soldered and heat shrinked. So far he has been at it for about 12 hours and is just getting started. He will be working on it again tommorow. I may need to call visa for a credit extension before its done, but it wiil be done right.

Louisiana_CRX
07-04-2009, 04:42 PM
Yeah, the guy doing my alarm now is an electronics genius and very meticulous about doing everything just right. I looked him up and told him I would pay him by the hour to do it right. Everything is taken apart, well hidden, soldered and heat shrinked. So far he has been at it for about 12 hours and is just getting started. He will be working on it again tommorow. I may need to call visa for a credit extension before its done, but it wiil be done right.

hes not doing something right if he's into you for 12 hours for a 3 hour job

THUNDERBIRD
07-05-2009, 02:17 PM
good luck trouble shooting that alarm then haha

GreenBlunt
07-06-2009, 12:18 AM
It's an awesome post! I'd follow your instruction! Millions of thx! ;)

krisfnbz
07-09-2009, 02:06 PM
I have shown this thread to quite a few people, some serious information here guys!

qkassidyw
08-18-2009, 10:33 AM
bump

qkassidyw
01-06-2010, 09:32 AM
bumpity

NeverEnuffBass
01-06-2010, 07:36 PM
Good write up. This is my first year doing multiple starters & alarms. I'm getting better each and every one. I need to start taking pictures of the hack job installs I fix

qkassidyw
01-11-2010, 05:11 PM
Good write up. This is my first year doing multiple starters & alarms. I'm getting better each and every one. I need to start taking pictures of the hack job installs I fix

Yeah, I can't tell you how many crappy installs come in.

gl0ck
03-30-2010, 12:05 AM
Its funny you can invest as much money as you want into a 12hour install but at the end of the day a tow truck and 12" drill bit and your vehicle is gone. Gps tracking i believe is the way to go. Any remote start/ alarm install should be condsidered that an alarm, not security any time on a newer car you install a key bypass rather data or conventional key in the box your just making it easier to steal.

xguntherc
04-28-2010, 01:37 AM
Hey guys, I had my alarm done by a Audio Express... Home of the 1 Dollar Install. (1 dollar but all the parts are WAY overpriced to even out) they are a very popular store in the west and they are everywhere.

I got the brand Code Alarm (probably a cheap one) but was sold in store. They had it, and Viper. I couldn't afford Viper cuz everything had just been jacked and I was spending insurance money to get Alarm, and a few parts to "start" my new build since some looser took it all.

Kassidy, you seem to totally know what your doing here.. I have a regular alarm with all the doors having contacts, as well as a sound trigger, and vibration trigger (whatever you call it) wind, motorcycles over 20 ft away. they all set it off. and I also have the tilt thing in case someone tries to tow it.. All this but it's still not that great of a system.

I'm wondering since all the light, and horn, and blinker relays are already ran. Would I be able to spend the money on a better alarm or a Viper with a Pager and just replace the Brain and then add the new parts. or would it require a complete new install?

Also do you have any pointers for me to check on if I have a cheap job done. they had my truck for about 4 1/2 hours but they might of had other things going on.. I'm worried they did a cheapo job and wanna check n see.

SoundConnection
05-14-2010, 01:48 PM
Very good post. I'll dig up some pics of my security system install. Install is definately the difference between an alarm and a security system.