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Beat_Dominator
07-29-2008, 11:05 PM
Seriously? I am in the market for a new head unit in my car and have been actively shopping any and all brands.

Pioneer's current offerings feel SO cheap! Even the 2-din nav models' 3 or so buttons are very lose fitting and cheap feeling. I am just saddened to see a company build products so far below their own standards from not so long ago.

The big surprise fo me were some of the Kenwood units. Much better build than they had a few years ago.... maybe the two are just trading places?

bones22
07-29-2008, 11:07 PM
pioneer has gone back to plain and simple recently
a step in the wrong direction compared to others on the market
but they still perform well

Prowler573
07-29-2008, 11:08 PM
Get a Kenwood, Beat.
You know you wanna...
:sneaky:

revrider1
07-29-2008, 11:08 PM
I also have noticed how cheap they look

tcguy85
07-29-2008, 11:09 PM
my 880 doesn't look or feel cheap. Pioneer FTW!!

R/T Pimp
07-29-2008, 11:10 PM
Look at Clarion, I dropped Pioneer for Clarion this year. I have been very please with Clarion, no problems good stock and amazing picture on their video stuff.

brtnboarder3241
07-29-2008, 11:11 PM
honestly the clarion sht is looking pretty good

revrider1
07-29-2008, 11:11 PM
I just went with Panasonic this year and I dont think ill go away from them for a while...

djeazie
07-29-2008, 11:18 PM
I was a diehard Pioneer fan. Waited for their F series to come out, only to find they were having a ton of problems with them. Went with a Kenwood DD and coudnt be happier.

ultimate157
07-29-2008, 11:57 PM
I've only used Pinoeer so far, and just picked up an 880. The faceplate does seem to be a bit on the "light" side. Amazing styling though.

It does, however, perform above my expectations.

MrDave
07-30-2008, 12:08 AM
Pioneer's build quality is a big problem.

Between the ribbon problem and the fuse problem, I never buy them anymore.

ultimate157
07-30-2008, 12:11 AM
Pioneer's build quality is a big problem.

Between the ribbon problem and the fuse problem, I never buy them anymore.

Never heard of a ribbon problem. Elaborate?

groundpound4200
07-30-2008, 12:13 AM
I've been running Pioneer HUs since I was 16 and I'm now 23, I recently just gave up on them and bought an Alpine. Much better unit IMO

dcole18
07-30-2008, 12:13 AM
kenwood and eclipse are FTW :fyi:

jrdbrn
07-30-2008, 12:20 AM
Well I just purchased the DEH-2000MP for my fiances car, so I hope they aren't that bad

Jeremy M
07-30-2008, 12:23 AM
iv'e been running pioneers for the last 4yrs....b4 that i had jvc...i really like that jvc hu i had...

but my 880 is awsome as well.

wu501
07-30-2008, 12:23 AM
kenwood decks have a pretty solid feel...prefer them to most alpines and pioneers

Beat_Dominator
07-30-2008, 12:25 AM
Well I just purchased the DEH-2000MP for my fiances car, so I hope they aren't that bad

I'm sure it's fine, they perform well....just aren't built as nice as they once were :(

Fiercetimbo17
07-30-2008, 05:12 AM
The ribbion cable problem it with the flip out screens, the ribbon cable breaks all the time and is expensive
And yes i feel the new pioneers are cheaply built and hard to use. However there entry level stuff 2000-4000 is still nicley constructed and doesnt use that stupid everything knob. It seems kinda backwards to me but o well

And the dude with the 2000, thats one of the 3 models they are currently making that are still good quality

Racerx250
07-30-2008, 05:33 AM
My first deck was a Kenwood. 4028. Was very good till it started smoking. Warranty replaced it. Give it to my dad, he liked it + it was new.

2nd was a JVC ar720 i think .I liked it a lot never burnt up. Never any problems. Very good imo.

3rd is the deck I run now. My beloved Clarion DXZ955MC. Couldn't be happier.

Then I got my truck. Went with an Eclipse flipout. Wasn't too impressed with that one, but a few of my friends have DD screens and I like the one's they owned. But they were gps,usb fully loaded.

Then I traded that for a clarion screen which is now for sale. I like it but don't really watch movies. And were I live people like my toys too much. So it's gotta go. Other than that, I like it.

Racerx250
07-30-2008, 05:34 AM
not really sure what all that had to do w/ pioneer now that I posted it. Guess it shows pioneer never really turned me on?

Dozy_production
07-30-2008, 05:44 AM
I have a alpine 9835 from an pioneer 880 and Im enjoying it more. Yeah, blanket statement so what.

SRim23
07-30-2008, 06:04 AM
The ribbion cable problem it with the flip out screens, the ribbon cable breaks all the time and is expensive
And yes i feel the new pioneers are cheaply built and hard to use. However there entry level stuff 2000-4000 is still nicley constructed and doesnt use that stupid everything knob. It seems kinda backwards to me but o well

And the dude with the 2000, thats one of the 3 models they are currently making that are still good quality


Pioneer's build quality is a big problem.

Between the ribbon problem and the fuse problem, I never buy them anymore.

i know with the avic n1, n2, and another one i believe they recalled the ribbon (flex cables) and reimbursed anyone that had paid to get them fixed. i wasnt the original purchaser of my n1 and they reimbursed me 210 dollars.

eclipse AVN FTW!

Saint211
08-11-2008, 10:27 PM
I have been using pioneer for the past 4 years and I love mine. Matter of fact I think for the mid range... pioneer on average is better than the competition I've thoroughly checked out.

I've used a panasonic and that was ok.... I havent really checked out clarion.

I have however used Alpine and Kenwood... common themes in this thread.

And except the KVT-512, being a quality flip-out and pretty affordable to me... im not impressed with their headunits at all. Their DD is ok.... and works really well for applications where it must look more stock too.

Alpine.... style hasnt changed in years.

Nothing wrong with that, but I find alpine no more easy to use than Pioneer. Alpine is very solid, but doesnt offer me the mastery of my audio that pioneer does.

And I rather like the rotary knob.... its very easy to use... I dont know why people get so **** confused with it. the new styling is cool too.

I literally use the 2000-7000 every day.. as well as install them... and pioneer is the number one seller for headuniots right now... and I've never seen any come back.

I saw a defective out of box kenwood today....

Not trying to pump up pioneer at all... though I am a fan of them. Everyones experience is different.

bigbirney420
08-11-2008, 10:38 PM
Most of the new decks ****, across the board, but I am old school. Nobody makes a deck like they used to. I am running Eclipse 8445 which is about 3 years old, but Kenwood Excelon is the only new stuff I would buy, or Maybe a Clarion. I had Excelon 881 for 3 years without a problem, until it was stolen. I have owned every brand there is over the last 10 years, even Alpine, and Eclipse have fallen off. Its more about Ipod features and crap and SQ and functionality.

snoopdan
08-11-2008, 10:39 PM
All I want is a head unit with 8v outputs, mp3 capability, and 24 Bit DAC ... Is that so ******* hard ? :mad:

UCF52
08-12-2008, 12:36 AM
All I want is a head unit with 8v outputs, mp3 capability, and 24 Bit DAC ... Is that so ******* hard ? :mad:

7200...?

Anniku989
08-12-2008, 12:53 AM
I'm looking to upgrade the one in sig to something a bit newer and having a hard time. Was a pioneer fanboy, but the only thing I'd upgrade to is a 880 right now.

916Kev
08-12-2008, 02:58 AM
I just updated the new firmware on my avic-f90bt. It works great with my iPhone. It's got bluetooth, nav, ipod, and voice command. Check out avic411.com for more info.

bigbangtheory
08-12-2008, 06:37 AM
Just sold my 880 as it is an awesome deck, so awesome, I never used half the stuff it was capable of. Stuff is just over my head I guess.

I did just get a basic Kenwood Excelon x-492, which is a cheaper deck, but was what I needed to fit the bill. Still has 4volts and will be a lot easier to navigate.

Plus I sold most my audio stuff. Just doing componets in deadened doors and a small amp.

DidUHearThat?
08-12-2008, 07:12 AM
Pioneer = Buzz in your ear



With all the threads about the grounding problems with the RCA's I don't know why anyone would recommend them.

CrossFired
08-12-2008, 09:54 PM
my 880 doesn't look or feel cheap. Pioneer FTW!!

DITTO

UCF52
08-12-2008, 10:00 PM
DITTO

Yea I just had one delivered today, and it hasn't been powered, but it certainly feels well put together... nothing feels loose or cheap.

clouduz
08-12-2008, 10:45 PM
i was a hardcore pioneer fan but lately you don't get enough for your money so i went with the dnx 8120 **** never thought a kenwood would be this good screw pioneer they don't even try anymore i mean come on, how long has the rca's been f***** up on their radios?

Kool
08-12-2008, 11:24 PM
Well I just purchased the DEH-2000MP for my fiances car, so I hope they aren't that bad

I have the same deck and i tell you what the thing has balls.

dragnix
08-12-2008, 11:29 PM
i was a hardcore pioneer fan but lately you don't get enough for your money so i went with the dnx 8120 **** never thought a kenwood would be this good screw pioneer they don't even try anymore i mean come on, how long has the rca's been f***** up on their radios?

a long long time

rc10mike
08-12-2008, 11:57 PM
Pioneer = Buzz in your ear



With all the threads about the grounding problems with the RCA's I don't know why anyone would recommend them.


Probably because for every 1 person that comes here and posts about the RCA problem, there are 1,000 happy owners

In fact I was hit with the RCA noise issue. I bought my Premier 860MP from EBAY brand new. I got the noise about 1.5 years after puchase. I dug up my Paypal receipt, and sent it off and had it fixed for FREE, no questions asked.

There is no excuse for their RCA problems after this long, but at least they will fix it w/o hassle.

DaPinballWizard
08-13-2008, 12:30 AM
Besides the 880 the 8600 was the last deck that pioneer made that i like. I have an 8600 in both my cars and love them. The only problem ive ever had with them is they dont like to eject cds but Im usually listening to sirius or my ipod anyway. I have never had noisy rca's with pioneer and I've had a 6400 7400 two 8600's and another that I can't remember now.

Supergumby5000
08-13-2008, 02:23 AM
i went out and played with the pioneer F700BT DD unit today, and from all the negative comments, i was actually surprised at how nicely it was built.

The knob/buttons/etc didnt feel/look cheap to me. It wasnt made of anything heavy or overly durable (it shouldnt need to take bullets anyways), but i would definately not call it cheaply built.

I think they released their new lineup a little early, but they are recooping themselves with firmware updates. I'm gonna jump ship and get the F90BT when i get home and get the firmware updates. :fyi:

GAM3OVR
08-13-2008, 02:37 AM
Pioneer makes great products, there are always more vividness in people who compain vs teh 1's who are happy.

That why when you see reviews for ****, the good reviews are all short, but the few bad ones always go on for pages and pages, about people nitpicking and refrasing **** over and over again

TeamPSI
08-13-2008, 05:27 AM
I love Pioneers. Thats all I have run for most of my life. lol

chaunb3400
08-13-2008, 05:33 AM
Pioneer = Buzz in your ear



With all the threads about the grounding problems with the RCA's I don't know why anyone would recommend them.

100% user error...

My 980 has never givin me a single problem...nor did my 860...or none of the other countless pioneers I have installed...

any ground problems is user error, if the user fu$ks up the product, its not the products fault...

Side Show
08-13-2008, 05:49 AM
pioneer have a huge range, you get what you pay for!
anyone played with the avhp7950dvd, i've never seen a better indash screen.

zack39648
08-13-2008, 05:56 AM
100% user error...

My 980 has never givin me a single problem...nor did my 860...or none of the other countless pioneers I have installed...

any ground problems is user error, if the user fu$ks up the product, its not the products fault...

i would have to agree with that one have owned litally like 40 different pioneer HU's and not a single one had any type of problem or ground loop issues .. always wandered why that was ..

chaunb3400
08-13-2008, 05:57 AM
i would have to agree with that one have owned litally like 40 different pioneer HU's and not a single one had any type of problem or ground loop issues .. always wandered why that was ..

Because you my friend are careful :thumbupw:

Saint211
08-13-2008, 12:31 PM
Also... I've never had a problem with my DEH7700..... no issues despite being vibrated from bass all day, and even taking a full on monkey stomp by an enraged stripper (whole other story).... She is still kicking and until I mount my volt meters, she is here to stay

mackin
08-13-2008, 12:39 PM
I hope I don't have any problems with my Pioneer 800PRS coming on friday... :crap:

andrewmoore13
08-13-2008, 12:54 PM
i went from Pioneer to Alpine. I LOVED my 680MP with motorized faceplate... i think i miss that the most.

Buck
08-13-2008, 12:58 PM
premier is kinda good but most regular pioneer stuff isn't great. it'll do but its not that good

rc10mike
08-13-2008, 11:41 PM
Premier 2 yr warranty is what saved me.