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pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 07:24 PM
this is the new build log. new van and new plans. daily driver still keeping the backseats and is in the process of deadening right now. yes i bought fatmat cause it is a good price. i bought 300sq feet of it as well.

vehicle : 1994 dodge caravan

box : 16-17 cubes at 34hz.

deadening: 300sq feet of fatmat.

door pods are going to be 3 sets of PG RSD's

subs are 2 21" death penalties 2008 model (of course)

amplifiers -2 sundown audio 3000Ds, one to each sub

alternator: a 300A from iraggi alternators

battery power-4 kinetik 12v or 16v batts, doing 12v right now but maybe 16v in the future :veryhapp:

on to the pics

sound deadening and 3 sets of RSDs
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture001-6.jpg

another one:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture002-5.jpg

2 21" recones next to 15s
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture005-6.jpg

another one of the recones with my shoe on it for size comparison
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture006-6.jpg

2 sundown 3000Ds
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture008-5.jpg

4 of these batts for it
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture125.jpg

more pics to come, hope you guys enjoy!!:)

tc3k101
07-26-2008, 07:24 PM
word?

pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 07:26 PM
and the box will be 16-17 cubes at 34hz, threaded rodded and resined throughout. need a beast for this

ThatChevyGuy
07-26-2008, 07:26 PM
sweet. My dream system.

pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 07:26 PM
yea, word. reconing should be happening tomorrow, pics to come of that

KHARPS
07-26-2008, 07:27 PM
subscribed

01 S 10
07-26-2008, 07:27 PM
sweet. My dream system.

x2

KHARPS
07-26-2008, 07:28 PM
where in IL are you?

pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 07:28 PM
dekalb, IL

tapout
07-26-2008, 07:33 PM
I can dig it.

kicker33
07-26-2008, 07:35 PM
well this isn't' gonna be loud lol.

pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 07:48 PM
haha, it wont be loud it will be low

pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 07:48 PM
looking for bassracing the 40-49.9 class

dcole18
07-26-2008, 07:49 PM
haha, it wont be loud it will be low

it will be boaf :fyi:

tc3k101
07-26-2008, 07:49 PM
goals? seems with that tuning ull have a groundpounder
edit* beat me

DownSouth954
07-26-2008, 07:50 PM
Subscribed.

jeeper07
07-26-2008, 07:51 PM
cant wait to see how this turns out

02parkave
07-26-2008, 07:55 PM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p80/visitor_01/kermit-1.gif

pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 07:56 PM
^^^ Hahahahahahah Holy ****in **** Thats The Best Thing Ive Ever Seen

02parkave
07-26-2008, 07:59 PM
^^^ Hahahahahahah Holy ****in **** Thats The Best Thing Ive Ever Seen

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p80/visitor_01/nice-gorilla-shark-wallpaper-bux21x.gif

LDW3RD
07-26-2008, 08:17 PM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p80/visitor_01/kermit-1.gif

LMAO!!

Cant wait to see this one come together Pio-Pimp.
Looking good so far 21" of Death:eek:

Might of missed it but what coil config?

kovemaster559
07-26-2008, 08:20 PM
Nice!

stuckinok
07-26-2008, 08:20 PM
you putting this in the van or did you get something else?

ssackett
07-26-2008, 08:29 PM
Very nice! Subscribed!!

Rashaddd
07-26-2008, 08:47 PM
Looks like it will be awesome.

Be sure to keep us posted with infinity pics

Lil Poot
07-26-2008, 08:56 PM
****.

Lil Poot
07-26-2008, 09:07 PM
dd still blows hairy men for coke:fyi:

lies. if dd built a 21" sub it would easily do 210 db @ 25 hz :fyi:

pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 09:12 PM
haha. its going in this victim right here

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture036-2.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture034-2.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture032-2.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture031-1.jpg

pioneerpimp
07-26-2008, 09:15 PM
and the subs are dual 2 as well

LDW3RD
07-26-2008, 09:24 PM
pimpin just pimipin....(voice of money mike)

LDW3RD
07-26-2008, 09:27 PM
BTW the van looks pretty clean..

Goindef154
07-26-2008, 09:56 PM
That van does look like it's in pretty good shape. It has no idea what's about to happen to it :crap:

LDW3RD
07-26-2008, 09:57 PM
at least the metal is alil heavier than whats in them now:crazy:

lincolntc690
07-26-2008, 10:03 PM
nice, like to "talk" when you do the recone plannin on doin mine round the beginning of the year:)

bigbangtheory
07-27-2008, 11:28 AM
Cool shits, good luck with the install!

pioneerpimp
07-27-2008, 01:39 PM
thanks, hoping it will turn out good since im actually taking my time

85Caprice4d
07-27-2008, 01:49 PM
poor caravan...:crap:

connersdad19
07-27-2008, 02:00 PM
subscribed...cant wait to see it finished.

Cutdawg84
07-27-2008, 02:06 PM
DaMmn enough said

Juice+
07-27-2008, 07:15 PM
Awesome, you gonna take some vids of your wheels falling off when finished :D

pioneerpimp
07-27-2008, 09:47 PM
haha.

sound deadened EVERYTHING today, pics tomorrow when i get new batts for the camera

JohnnyStan
07-27-2008, 09:50 PM
you need spinner hubcaps

Pop da Hatch
07-27-2008, 11:15 PM
this kid loves vans.

ssj2xxgotenxx
07-27-2008, 11:16 PM
Pioneerpimp, you sir are truly a pimp. Betty hurry up and get some updates. Good luck.

jeremiah
07-28-2008, 01:38 AM
haha, it wont be loud it will be low

tune it to 30hz

dcole18
07-28-2008, 01:42 AM
tune it to 30hz

real ballaz tune to 0hz :fyi:

DBDRAGGUY
07-28-2008, 01:45 AM
Subscribed. Gotta Love a Low Tuned Ground Pounder.:cool:

Memphis4L
07-28-2008, 01:46 AM
sweet. cant wait to see what it looks like when its done. how much do the 21 inch dp's cost?

Juice+
07-28-2008, 04:15 AM
sweet. cant wait to see what it looks like when its done. how much do the 21 inch dp's cost?

Your house + your girl + your current system :rolleyes:

jeremiah
07-28-2008, 01:56 PM
lol

jeremiah
07-28-2008, 01:57 PM
but I think it's like ~ $600/700

Memphis4L
07-28-2008, 08:19 PM
Your house + your girl + your current system :rolleyes:

haha i wouldn't doubt it. i love incriminator!

Memphis4L
07-28-2008, 08:20 PM
but I think it's like ~ $600/700

that ***** i have no money. or i would buy one.

pioneerpimp
07-28-2008, 08:21 PM
well....



FUC K Fatmat. i cleaned my roof more throughly than i ever have and the **** fell off. 3 layered roof gone. it all stuck together. go****it. applied a new layer with a **** load more rolling and ill see what it does

twistedmind
07-28-2008, 08:25 PM
well....



FUC K Fatmat. i cleaned my roof more throughly than i ever have and the **** fell off. 3 layered roof gone. it all stuck together. go****it. applied a new layer with a **** load more rolling and ill see what it does



my raamatt is in 95 + degrees all day in a black truck with windows up for 15 + hours tripple layer on the roof and its still going strong. granted its only been a month but I think its going to hold up just fine

duece212
07-28-2008, 08:39 PM
can't wait to see what this does. My dp21 just showed up, these things are retardedly big lookin in person. Will definately be good eye candy for show as well as loud I'm sure.

pioneerpimp
07-28-2008, 08:53 PM
my raamatt is in 95 + degrees all day in a black truck with windows up for 15 + hours tripple layer on the roof and its still going strong. granted its only been a month but I think its going to hold up just fine

hmmm i wonder what the problem was then

Blazin_Jason
07-28-2008, 08:55 PM
hmmm i wonder what the problem was then

it's fatmat.....

pd8731
07-28-2008, 09:26 PM
Did you apply with heat?

pioneerpimp
07-28-2008, 09:44 PM
I Didnt, It Said There Was No Need To

x2o
07-28-2008, 09:53 PM
I fatmat'd my trunk lid in south FL sun with no external heat applied, just rolling. Left it there for 3 days without puting the carpet back over it and it never fell.

I love FatMat, sure it may not be as good as Damplifier or Raamat and such, but for the price I don't think it can be beat when working with a tight budget.

This looks like it'll be a sick build, keep up with it pioneerpimp :D

pd8731
07-28-2008, 11:46 PM
I Didnt, It Said There Was No Need To

I would use heat anyways. Just to make sure.

Mr. C
07-29-2008, 10:56 AM
This is a build I will definitely be keeping an eye on.
Really would love to hear those 21" DP's do their thing.

LDW3RD
07-29-2008, 05:54 PM
I would use heat anyways. Just to make sure.

In the winter yes use a heat gun but summer time I don't think so unless the adhesive is heat activated.

I plan leaving it in my car or somewhere out in the open sun light so it can get good and plyable. Gonna let the powa of da sun help a brotha out. :D

pioneerpimp
07-29-2008, 06:00 PM
thats what i did. i was sweating so bad inside the van all day when i was applying it and then i woke up for work yesterday morning, and everything but 2 little sheets of it had fallen off.

duece212
07-29-2008, 06:03 PM
I heated my fatmat when I installed it just to be safe. I'd never put it on a roof though, especially not in multiple layers, your just doubling or trippling the weight that one layer of adhesive has to handle to try and stay stuck to the roof.

fbi90909
07-29-2008, 06:10 PM
***** about the fatmat. up to a rough start.
good luck and update everyday, and don't skimp on the pics!

donpisto
07-29-2008, 06:16 PM
Fatmat FTL. Woulda gone Secondskin but for your build i'd assume it would a bit much. Raammat, would have been the better choice IMO. Hope all turns out well.

LDW3RD
07-29-2008, 06:18 PM
thats what i did. i was sweating so bad inside the van all day when i was applying it and then i woke up for work yesterday morning, and everything but 2 little sheets of it had fallen off.

Sorry to hear that, guess it was to hot.

Was the van in direct sun light while you were appling it?

pioneerpimp
07-29-2008, 06:24 PM
i applied 3 layers to the roof. probably a part of my problem.

yes. it was in direct sunlight, does that make a difference?

and pictures will be up when i get new batteries put into the camera.


but i'll keep everybody updated

Fiercetimbo17
07-29-2008, 06:41 PM
i applied 3 layers to the roof. probably a part of my problem.

yes. it was in direct sunlight, does that make a difference?

and pictures will be up when i get new batteries put into the camera.


but i'll keep everybody updated

yea, fat mat is jsut peel and seal with a logo that rubs off everywhere. For the roof you need a good mat like SS

LDW3RD
07-29-2008, 06:41 PM
For some if not all mats direct sun light makes a difference. The adhesive has no time to set if the heat is (soo high).

Its like keeping the pan on the stove after the cooking is complete. But in this case it just makes the pan (in this case your van roof) unable for anything to stick too b/c its to hot. And all the weight didn't help any.

All of this is in MHO

TSGP
07-29-2008, 07:07 PM
I used accumat on my roof of the expedition. If you just peel it and roll it up there it will eventually fall.

Take a heat gun or one of those portable torches and heat the stuff up until it starts to smell and curl over on itself. Work the piece very carefully onto the roof, starting at one corner and roll the rest of it on, be sure to keep it HOT keep heat on it while you're applying it (2 people and a pair of gloves work great)

Just make sure you roll the piece on super great and press REAL hard with the roller while heat is being applied. If you do it right it should take a while and be the biggest PITA ever to remove it.

It took us 2 days to do the roof of my expedition to make sure it was done right

TSGP
07-29-2008, 07:08 PM
For some if not all mats direct sun light makes a difference. The adhesive has no time to set if the heat is (soo high).

Its like keeping the pan on the stove after the cooking is complete. But in this case it just makes the pan (in this case your van roof) unable for anything to stick too b/c its to hot. And all the weight didn't help any.

All of this is in MHO

The heat actually helps the glue adhere to the surface, you just have to work it really well to the piece you are applying it to.

LDW3RD
07-29-2008, 07:11 PM
Also makes sense :)

Harleyfx69
07-29-2008, 08:34 PM
factory radio ?

EGGmane
07-29-2008, 08:42 PM
Nice equipment, I can't wait to see this build unfold. And sorry to hear about the fat mat.

JohnnyStan
07-29-2008, 08:46 PM
this build should end up excellent despite the setbacks

pioneerpimp
07-29-2008, 09:16 PM
haha the HU is a pioneer DEH 680mp

and yes the recones are going down tonight

pioneerpimp
07-29-2008, 10:13 PM
pics to come in a bit. finally got some batts

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 12:48 AM
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture079-1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture087-1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture088-2.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture089-1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture091-2.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture092-1.jpg

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 12:49 AM
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture093-1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture094-1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture095-1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture097-1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture098-1.jpg

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 12:50 AM
my very first recone, hope everything comes out right, saught lots of assistance here :crap:

teamsolo
07-30-2008, 12:56 AM
its looking good

Captain_Ahab
07-30-2008, 12:57 AM
Wow, very nice setup your going to have.

Hope the recones go well.

Subscribed!

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 01:00 AM
thanks for the comments guys, god i hope the recones turn out all right..

donpisto
07-30-2008, 02:50 AM
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture098-1.jpg

You get those clamps at walmart? If so, I got the same one. Pack of like 10 or 12 for about 5 bucks. Super worth it.


BTW, I always though the fatmat logo looked like the transformers logo.

KCha
07-30-2008, 04:15 AM
Glad to see you got it done. Batman was worth going to instead of helping =P haha

BTW I'm pretty sure with the rubber based deadener vs asphalt no heat is necessary. Shoulda stuck with Edeadv2 or raamat though.

What are we getting done Thursday?

TSGP
07-30-2008, 02:00 PM
looking good!

MOAR PICS!

TSGP
07-30-2008, 02:02 PM
and at least you remembered to get the tinsels facing the terminals...my first recone I had to scrap because I forgot about the tinsels and had them facing inbetween spokes

grimreper912003
07-30-2008, 02:05 PM
Wish I had the money for a couple 21" DP's. Awsome build so far.

tommyk90
07-30-2008, 02:13 PM
Looks like the recones came out good. :)

I told you they aren't that hard to do.

TSGP
07-30-2008, 02:15 PM
Wish I had the money for a couple 21" DP's. Awsome build so far.


hmmm how much money you got? :D

MikeyB
07-30-2008, 03:04 PM
Sweet man, lookin good so far

tsenfw
07-30-2008, 03:08 PM
omg, can i have one of those IA dustcaps!!?!?!

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 06:40 PM
why would u want one of these dustcaps?

they are **** though

Fiercetimbo17
07-30-2008, 08:31 PM
I forgot to ask, did you ever get your fatmat to stay on the roof?
What i have done with with peel and seal is heat it up and then spray some 3m super 77 on it and it would stick to almost anything. I would give it a try beats buying some new deadener

GrandCherokee
07-30-2008, 08:55 PM
buy some chrome hubcaps from walmart

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 08:56 PM
both recones failed because manilla folders were off center.

and it makes a scratching noise at high freqs so both motors are for sale. pm me offers and dont low ball

duece212
07-30-2008, 08:57 PM
no wai?!?

Rashaddd
07-30-2008, 09:21 PM
Can't you re-recone them? Using the same soft parts?

LDW3RD
07-30-2008, 09:23 PM
both recones failed because manilla folders were off center.

and it makes a scratching noise at high freqs so both motors are for sale. pm me offers and dont low ball

Sorry to hear that bro:(

Hang in there man.

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 09:31 PM
Can't you re-recone them? Using the same soft parts?

not that i know of..

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 09:31 PM
well yea same soft parts but these recones aint cheap

Rashaddd
07-30-2008, 09:37 PM
Wait can you not just basically unglue everywhere you glued and redo it? idk I have no experience with reconing or anything

but assuming everything about them is perfectly fine, they're just misaligned...idk

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 09:39 PM
the glue is some strong stuff, youre going to have to rip everything up again basically

MikeyB
07-30-2008, 09:41 PM
both recones failed because manilla folders were off center.

and it makes a scratching noise at high freqs so both motors are for sale. pm me offers and dont low ball

terrible news man, gotta shim em tight :(

pioneerpimp
07-30-2008, 10:38 PM
yes i know this, im still pissed though.

Pop da Hatch
07-30-2008, 10:44 PM
:omg: baby jesus will cry tonight, sure wanted to see this done.

MikeyB
07-31-2008, 12:21 AM
yes i know this, im still pissed though.

What did you test them with?

delvryboy
07-31-2008, 12:29 AM
Just beat on them and pick up some more recones down the road. A little scratchin' never hurt anybody. :)


Did you curl up the folder? I like to cut it in strips and then shim it once the cone is in place.

BigE
07-31-2008, 12:30 AM
how much you asking for both motors?

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 12:33 AM
yea i curled up the folders. and i think im keeping them..

THE BUILD WILL GO ON!!!!!

MikeyB
07-31-2008, 12:34 AM
When I did my last recone I just took a folder, cut it down into some pieces of equal size that were roughly the diameter of the gap (which you have to make sure you clean out) and place them equally around between the coil. Just one step at a time, shim it out, push on the cone a little and feel how tight it is, shime some more, check again, and get it as tight and even as possible. Spray some activator and your good to go.

Why dont you just give them another go? Dont give up now, you gotta get back on the horse ;)

MikeyB
07-31-2008, 12:34 AM
Also, try one and test that before doing the other

Rashaddd
07-31-2008, 12:35 AM
THE BUILD WILL GO ON!!!!!

epic

delvryboy
07-31-2008, 12:35 AM
My first recone was scratchy as ****, I didn't even shim it. Just slapped the cone in and hit it with the glue. It was only noticeable at lower volumes, so I just kept it turned up.

MikeyB
07-31-2008, 12:40 AM
Shim that **** yo

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 12:41 AM
Epic It Truly Is. So **** It Box Build On Friday Theyre Still **** As ****

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 01:01 AM
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture002-6.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture001-7.jpg

at least they LOOK good. little scratching is ok. alot of people have said when they turn it up it goes away, so good

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 01:04 AM
and a little past flexage from the HDs:fyi:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/th_video003-1.jpg (http://s175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/?action=view&current=video003-1.flv)

just to keep everyone interested

MikeyB
07-31-2008, 01:05 AM
What did you test them on? I remember running my btl free air after I reconed it off my computer and it would clip if I turned it up real far since it was getting almost no power, but it sounded scratchy. Then I free aired it off 1400wrms and it was perfect :D.

kovemaster559
07-31-2008, 01:06 AM
this is orgasmic!

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 01:19 AM
haha, i free aired it off of 100 watt theatre system and it probably was clipping it. well see though, thanks for the encouragement

delvryboy
07-31-2008, 01:38 AM
do they scratch when you push straight down on them?

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 01:55 AM
Not At All

Random1010
07-31-2008, 01:57 AM
i think ur fine

Lingerfelt
07-31-2008, 01:59 AM
Those dust caps look so small.

MikeyB
07-31-2008, 02:03 PM
Not At All

You might be fine bud, they were probably just clipping. Same thing happened with me and I got a little worried, but I knew I did it right.

Find an amp to hook one to and free air it off some good clean power and use a tone.

fbi90909
07-31-2008, 03:31 PM
since you already have the equipment, semi ghetto rig a 3000d to a battery, then just wire it to the sub and free air it. jump the remote and give the sub a test with more power. i'm not saying give it the full load but just enough to get it moving to see if the rubbing you say is really bad. just hope for the best!

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 06:27 PM
haha thats what im gonna have to do

Parker G
07-31-2008, 06:30 PM
Thats a nice box in that video!!

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 06:38 PM
hahah yea it is

delvryboy
07-31-2008, 07:46 PM
thread is getting boring until the box gets built tomorrow.....

discuss

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/PioneerPimp/Picture001-4.jpg

pioneerpimp
07-31-2008, 07:53 PM
a good night of grey goose for me . before anyone even got there i was passed out in the alwn. and i always take my shirt off when im drinking haha. im ****

lincolntc690
08-01-2008, 05:04 PM
dust cap is tiny lookin compared to the 15

2000LaDe
08-01-2008, 06:11 PM
you should man up!!!!!! :) and do this

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a133/hankveach/321bp4.jpg

you know u want too ;)

audioarsonal
08-01-2008, 06:30 PM
I think he only has the 2 subs...

2000LaDe
08-01-2008, 06:44 PM
he does only have 2 but what does it take to buy 1 more? not much.

KCha
08-01-2008, 07:15 PM
ahahaha i love that picture.

Greygoose and Rumplemintz tonight --so you all know theres some **** good ones to come.

We're going to set a deadline for this to be done so we're not such slackasses like always too =P

LDW3RD
08-01-2008, 10:17 PM
My kind of party!

pioneerpimp
08-06-2008, 07:44 PM
up for box building going down with me and Kcha, but time is actually being taken on this?

eggyhustles
08-06-2008, 11:35 PM
awesome

pioneerpimp
08-14-2008, 11:40 PM
everything is done. and recones went well, despite my accusations. pics to come tomorrow

MikeyB
08-15-2008, 12:54 AM
everything is done. and recones went well, despite my accusations. pics to come tomorrow

Great to hear!!! I had a feeling they were fine and you just got worried. ;)

pioneerpimp
08-15-2008, 02:24 AM
yea its definitely a good feeling

brtnboarder3241
08-15-2008, 02:32 AM
good to hear everything is going good for ya dave..

twisztdauthorit
08-15-2008, 02:41 AM
i wanna see moar vids!