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Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 06:13 PM
So on pre 03 model crown victorias the dash bezel and the air vents are set up in a way that do not allow for a double din head unit. having just bought a pioneer avic-z2 i had to figure out a way to get around this problem. one approach is to bet a bezel and air vents from an 03 or newer vic however to install the new air vents you have to take out the entire dash from the car which isnt the most fun thing in the world. so i decided to try my hand at a little fiberglassing. i have done speaker boxs before but nothing that requires some nice finish work.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0091.jpg
here is a pic of the bezel opening. I also purchased a double din install kit from pioneer to help with the installation

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0092.jpg
my first step was to cut out the bezel big enough to fit the double din unit and mounting brackets. for this i used an air saw.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0093.jpg
next i took the trim ring that came with the install kit and lined it up so it looked square and level then hot glued it in place.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0094.jpg
I then took the cage provided in the kit and set it on the backside of my trim ring only i set it in reverse.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0095.jpg
i then used hot glue to set the cage in place as well

Fusion_FREAK
07-18-2008, 06:17 PM
Is there a missing part? I see no fiberglass.

Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 06:18 PM
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0096.jpg
I then went to Tap Plastics by my house and bough some fiberglass resin, chopped fiberglass in a jar, a bucket, hardener, brushes, filler putty, and color additives.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0097.jpg
fiberglass on the front of the dash

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0098.jpg
fiberglass on the back now.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0099.jpg
this is the next morning after the glass had dried. at first i let the glass dry for about 30 minutes and took a razor blade and trimmed off the excess glass.

jco1385
07-18-2008, 06:19 PM
Is there a missing part? I see no fiberglass.

i was gonna say this, then i was like "oh yeah, probably gonna finish it up in post #2"

speedfreak28
07-18-2008, 06:22 PM
may turn out okay but proer preparation is key, you may have to end up sanding and painting that entire bezel now. it looks like theres fiberlgass everywhere. SEm paint can match the finish good luck sir.

Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 06:23 PM
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0100.jpg
i then covered parts of the dash in masking tape so i wouldn't get filler all over the place.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0101.jpg
this is actually the second coat of filler. the stuff i bought was gray for the second layer i mixed in a green additive.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0102.jpg
did a little sanding

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0103.jpg
after my third coat with a yellow additive this time and again i sanded it down using 80grit sand paper i believe.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0104.jpg
had to test fit the unit.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/Bigrick31/IMG_0105.jpg
wanted to make sure everything fit in the car ok. had to sand off a little excess fiberglass on the back.

that is where my project sits right now. i have to go out and do a lot more sanding to get it ready for primer and paint. comments and suggestions are welcome as this is my first attempt anything that could make the process easier or any advice to prep for paint would be appreciated.

Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 06:25 PM
may turn out okay but proer preparation is key, you may have to end up sanding and painting that entire bezel now. it looks like theres fiberlgass everywhere. SEm paint can match the finish good luck sir.

i plan on painting the entire thing. i have to smooth the rest of the bezel first.

speedfreak28
07-18-2008, 06:27 PM
posted before you did that last set of pics. starting to look good now, but like i said SEM has paints that will match the oem platic color.

GLN305
07-18-2008, 06:27 PM
Use some filler primer heavily over the glassed area and lightly over the rest of the bezel. San with some 400, then work your way up to finer grits. Spray with either SEM texture coat or get some spray bedliner from Wal Mart or Auto Zone. Either one will work as a texture. Seeing that the bezel is black, you could probably use Duplicolor flat black and it will look good.

da box king
07-18-2008, 06:28 PM
looks nice man

speedfreak28
07-18-2008, 06:28 PM
also, what color is the car? maybe it would look nice painted to match or you could wrap it in dark suede, that would look nice.

Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 06:32 PM
also, what color is the car? maybe it would look nice painted to match or you could wrap it in dark suede, that would look nice.

the car is going to be black right now it still has a police paint schme of navy blue and white doors.

speedfreak28
07-18-2008, 06:33 PM
nice do a black leather and charcoal suede interior, that would clean especially on a bagged vic.

MikeyB
07-18-2008, 06:35 PM
Looks good man, theres some other products out there that work great as well. Look into duramix and fusor products.

Some duramix would have worked great for that little project ;)

http://www.tcpglobal.com/autobodydepot/duramixadd.aspx

TurdFergueson2
07-18-2008, 06:36 PM
will you be able to match the color of the bezel back or you don't care?

MikeyB
07-18-2008, 06:38 PM
http://www.tcpglobal.com/images/mmm4040.jpg

^^^

Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 06:52 PM
will you be able to match the color of the bezel back or you don't care?

don't care everything about this car is getting customized

req
07-18-2008, 07:05 PM
just a FYI - hot glue + fiberglass is the worst combination ever possible. i learned this the hard way. NEVER EVER do that.

go get some super glue or some CA glue from the local hobby shop. and another thing, you didnt sand\scuff any surfaces before you put down glass\resin\filler. that is a bad bad thing. you NEED to scuff the surface area before you apply any sort of adhesive.

in the future, over time, your dash will crack\break\chip and the paint will not stick and it will look like crap - epically if there is bass flexing everything.

just a :fyi:

Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 08:33 PM
just a FYI - hot glue + fiberglass is the worst combination ever possible. i learned this the hard way. NEVER EVER do that.

go get some super glue or some CA glue from the local hobby shop. and another thing, you didnt sand\scuff any surfaces before you put down glass\resin\filler. that is a bad bad thing. you NEED to scuff the surface area before you apply any sort of adhesive.

in the future, over time, your dash will crack\break\chip and the paint will not stick and it will look like crap - epically if there is bass flexing everything.

just a :fyi:

dang and the hit glue worked so well to hold everything In place. And ya as I was just sanding I noticed the filler wasn't sticking as good as it should and it's been on there for about 6 hours now. So looks like I gotta take all the filler off and try again if I'm going to spend the money making it look nice might as well do it right. My true d who is a pro painter and does body work is gunna stop by tomorrow to give me a hand. Oh well lesson learned here I guess. So does the hot glue cause it to crack as well?

MikeyB
07-18-2008, 08:35 PM
^^ Fiberglass gets hot as it cures and it will loosen up the hot glue, allowing things to move around.

Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 08:58 PM
^^ Fiberglass gets hot as it cures and it will loosen up the hot glue, allowing things to move around.

thanks for that i just assumed it was ok since you see a lot of people use it to hold wooden dowels for speaker rings but then again the fiberglass they are gluing to is already cured.

req
07-18-2008, 09:01 PM
fiberglass just will not stick to hot glue. hot glue sticks to tons of crap, but after its cured any epoxy based adhesive will not adhere to it in the least. and to top that off, unless there is mucho surface area (scratched up with 100 grit helps) - any epoxy based adhesive hates sticking to plastic. using something like duramix 40\40 will get the job done with less effort. and do not use just straight epoxy fiberglass resin to plastic. if you are gonna use something like this - get some kitty hair. its epoxy based body filler with chopped strands of glass in the mix. way way stronger - because straight resin is extremely brittle. the strands in fiberglass are what make it strong.

so to recap. if you are going to start over...

1. use CA glue. IC2000 works wonders. (http://www.hobbyhorse.com/glue.shtml)
2. sand plastic with 100 grit at least, before trying to adhere anything to it.
3. use kitty hair - or body filler with chopped fiberglass in it (http://www.crashsupply.com/csupply/images/items/evc869d.jpg)

i think those are all the points i need to give you :)

Bigrick31
07-18-2008, 09:42 PM
fiberglass just will not stick to hot glue. hot glue sticks to tons of crap, but after its cured any epoxy based adhesive will not adhere to it in the least. and to top that off, unless there is mucho surface area (scratched up with 100 grit helps) - any epoxy based adhesive hates sticking to plastic. using something like duramix 40\40 will get the job done with less effort. and do not use just straight epoxy fiberglass resin to plastic. if you are gonna use something like this - get some kitty hair. its epoxy based body filler with chopped strands of glass in the mix. way way stronger - because straight resin is extremely brittle. the strands in fiberglass are what make it strong.

so to recap. if you are going to start over...

1. use CA glue. IC2000 works wonders. (http://www.hobbyhorse.com/glue.shtml)
2. sand plastic with 100 grit at least, before trying to adhere anything to it.
3. use kitty hair - or body filler with chopped fiberglass in it (http://www.crashsupply.com/csupply/images/items/evc869d.jpg)

i think those are all the points i need to give you :)

thanks for that! oh i did use fiberglass basically i made my own resin and chopped glass mixture. they sell chopped fiberglass in a jar at tap plastics so i mixed that in with resin and hardener. but ill tear it all down and give it another shot now that im more informed of how to do things. stuff like this is verydifferent than just doing a fiberglass and mdf box.

req
07-18-2008, 10:45 PM
sure thing, just make sure you get some CA glue. that **** is awesome. sandable, sticks to virtually everything and with the accelerator spray it hardens in seconds.

trust me. its better than hot glue :)

MikeyB
07-19-2008, 01:08 AM
^^^ x2 I use it for a lot of **** too

But dont get it on your fingers :(

ngsm13
07-19-2008, 01:10 AM
It would have been way easier to just CA Glue the bezel in and fill with duramix or duraglass...

Make sure to scuff the surface and/or use a wizz wheel to put gouges in for the filler to adhere to.

After the filling you can use some body filler to smooth it out and then sand up and spray with high build primer.

Then I'd use SEM bumper coat to finish, and you can match your OEM trim. ;)

nG

req
08-14-2008, 05:25 PM
success?

helotaxi
08-16-2008, 09:09 AM
There are plastic fillers out there made to stick to ABS...those work better than any polyester resin or filler could hope to.