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teen
07-18-2008, 12:19 AM
so i started my new build today. two 15" sundown nightshades powered by a sundown SAZ3000D.

box is 6 cubes net, ill be using four 4" aeroports which should be here tomorrow. this was my first time bracing a box, but i think i got it right. was gunna tune it to 32hz, but my max box size and the port length wouldn't work out. its tuned to 35hz, so we'll see how that goes.

heres a few pics. only have one driver as of now, will be ordering the next this weekend and should have it installed by wedensday. will update pics as things progress.
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19819413835.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8448894)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19819413935.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8448896)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19819413915.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8448897)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/1981939379.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8448886)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19819393792.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8448888)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19819393889.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8448893)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19819393718.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8448891)

wu501
07-18-2008, 12:24 AM
looks alright so far. I would like to hear that nightshades sometime when you get them in...I think your local to me.

ascendantsubs1
07-18-2008, 12:26 AM
This should bang!!

only 6 cu?

Millertime1028
07-18-2008, 12:27 AM
Looking good man .. Give me a ring when your all finished up so me and wu501 can listen to those beasts

01 S 10
07-18-2008, 12:27 AM
are you going to run a brace from the baffle to the bottom? your gonna have a lot of moving force on the baffle, and the bottom of the box is a pretty big surface without a brace too. I'm having issues with mine and i have doubled up on my bracing and still flex's like crazy in between the subs the most.

teen
07-18-2008, 12:31 AM
yea, ive heard good things about the nightshades in 3cubes, so i figured 3 for each.

as for bracing, i wasnt planning on running one from top to bottom. i think ill try it like this and if need be, go back in and add one or two.

wu501, you on LI?

keith, ill let you know once there in and ready to go. you ever head out to DPA?

wu501
07-18-2008, 12:32 AM
I live in Shirley...I think Keith said you live nearby.

teen
07-18-2008, 12:33 AM
yea, im down in mastic beach a few mins from the bridge.

and i should add, thanks to psych0ticnemes1 for the box design. second box hes designed for me and both came out great without any problems.

Millertime1028
07-18-2008, 12:33 AM
[QUOTE=

keith, ill let you know once there in and ready to go. you ever head out to DPA?[/QUOTE]

Yea I was up there this weekend with my Jeep . You heading down there this weekend ?

teen
07-18-2008, 12:40 AM
Yea I was up there this weekend with my Jeep . You heading down there this weekend ?

not this weekend, because ive got no sound:(

next weekend ill be there, though:)

teen
07-18-2008, 06:50 PM
so, the ports came in today. got to finish up the last side of the box. just have to pick up some screws to mount these ports and i should be good to go. im most likely going to carpet it, but im in no rush. ill get it done whenever.

heres a few pics.
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19917394365.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8453016)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19917394281.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8453009)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19917394236.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8453010)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19917394339.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8453014)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/19917394461.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8453021)

skateboardkid
07-18-2008, 06:51 PM
SIck MOAR!

teen
07-18-2008, 06:56 PM
lol, i just gotta order this last sub and ill get some more pics and vids up. hopefully middle of next week. last nightshade i ordered over the weekend, got shipped monday and i had it wednesday. hoping for similar results this weekend.

bigbangtheory
07-19-2008, 09:00 AM
Looks awesome bud. Can't wait to see more pics.

roarzorz
07-19-2008, 10:57 AM
Looks good. I also recommend some vertical bracing.

AudioXtremes
07-19-2008, 11:08 AM
Should be very nice. Is that cross brace blocking the pole vent?

teen
07-19-2008, 06:48 PM
all the bracing is good and fit in right now, so no problems there.

i wanted to add a vertical brace, but the cross braces would be in the way of that. maybe ill just put two in and just put them off center a bit, but still in between the two drivers.

theres like exactly 4" between the ends of the ports and the back wall of the box. there 4" diameter ports, does anybody think thats a problem? i wanted to tune it to 32hz, but the ports would have definetly been to long for that, so i settled with 35hz. i was really trying to not go any higher than that.

Pioneer~Saturn
07-19-2008, 07:12 PM
theres like exactly 4" between the ends of the ports and the back wall of the box. there 4" diameter ports, does anybody think thats a problem?

Yea, thats where they should be.

And lookin good....should be loud

teen
07-21-2008, 12:54 AM
well just ordered the second nightshade. im hoping it'll be here wednesday.

as for the bracing, i think im gunna pull out the brace that runs from back wall to front wall and move it over a bit to one side. ill just fill up the holes i drilled with some wood glue (its getting carpeted anyway). then ill put in a vertical brace and hopefully the box will be nice and sturdy.

MikeyB
07-21-2008, 01:42 AM
Woot!!! I want some

teen
07-21-2008, 09:01 PM
well, a little more progress, but nothing major.

mounted the ports and PVC glued them together. pulled out the one brace and moved it over an inch or two and added a vertical brace. hopefully one is enough. also mounted the first driver and have it wired up. just waiting on the second one and ill be up and running.
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/20219565095.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8471426)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/20219565035.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8471430)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/20219565172.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8471433)

path2spl
07-21-2008, 10:08 PM
where in li are you located im in nassau and what are the max dimensions you can fit?

teen
07-21-2008, 11:22 PM
exit 68 off the LIE. its the mastic/shirley area.


33"L X 26"H X 20"W

i probably could have gone a bit higher, but then it would start to interfere with the back window. now that im thinking about it though, my rear view mirror doesnt stay on anyway, so i could probably go a bit higher.

path2spl
07-22-2008, 07:39 AM
oh man i got to hear this

teen
07-22-2008, 11:42 AM
i might be in brooklyn on the 3rd of august for USACi. you gunna be at that?

path2spl
07-22-2008, 07:12 PM
na my grad party is on that date theres another one like the 8th or 18th on li

teen
11-24-2008, 09:59 PM
its been awhile, but i actually just carpeted this and everythings basically where i want it right now.

few updated pics
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/PICT0288.jpg
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/PICT0287.jpg
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/PICT0279.jpg
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/PICT0286.jpg
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/PICT0282.jpg
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/PICT0280.jpg
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/PICT0276.jpg

Millertime1028
11-24-2008, 10:49 PM
Man let me detail that thing for you in the spring !! lol .. but yea looking good with the carpet on it now .

teen
11-24-2008, 10:55 PM
lmao. i did the door jams and **** before i left back in spetember. completely forgot the rear hatch. theres a lot of junk in there lol.

the rest is just from them salting the roads upstate. i plan on washing it saturday before i go back up. lol.

shes normally cleaned up nicely. my friends always gotta comment on ur tire shine job, but hey, at least you keep it looking clean.

oh, and that HU was just installed today. my old one was skipping like crazy, this ones holding up better. still skips on a few select bass tracksm but nowhere near as bad. got it for free from a friend so i figured why not throw it in and see what it does.

lol, and i just PMed doug (path2spl). might be meeting up with him tomorrow or wednesday so if im lucky ill have some numbers to put up here. i know i still need anotehr battery, but im hoping to put up something decent still.

path2spl
11-24-2008, 10:57 PM
wanna buy my box? lol

tv559
11-24-2008, 10:58 PM
Any vids?

Millertime1028
11-24-2008, 11:00 PM
lol I hear ya , the roads got be F*cked over at college . And yea Tireshine FTMFW:cool: lol . O and you should buy Dougs box :D

teen
11-24-2008, 11:03 PM
ill check it out when i stop by. i dont have a rear view and the thing took out a chunk of glass last time so its not going back up anytime soon, so iuts a possibilty.

im honestly broke right now though. im hoping to work a bit when i come back down btwn semesters, but i may be able to scrap up some cash. i got some stuff laying around that i gotta sell anyway.

teen
11-24-2008, 11:06 PM
two vids i took today. i honestly dont know how to hold a camera still and the camera was picking up barely any flex. first vid i forgot the camera was on so theres like 15 seconds of nothing towards the end.

like the whole roof was flexing with the subs in the first vid, but camera just wasnt getting it. thats why im looking at the roof, but nothings really happeneing. lol whatever.

theres some decent window/door flex the last few seconds of the second video. just watch that really.


http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/th_PICT0272.jpg (http://s463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/?action=view&current=PICT0272.flv)

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/th_PICT0273.jpg (http://s463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/teen32788/?action=view&current=PICT0273.flv)

80INCHES
11-24-2008, 11:09 PM
lol, and i just PMed doug (path2spl). might be meeting up with him tomorrow or wednesday so if im lucky ill have some numbers to put up here. i know i still need anotehr battery, but im hoping to put up something decent still.

i will be at his house 2morrow doing testing on my new box so hopefully u can swing thru

80

teen
11-24-2008, 11:17 PM
i will be at his house 2morrow doing testing on my new box so hopefully u can swing thru

80

around waht time? im waiting to hear back from him, whenever he says is good for him.

80INCHES
11-24-2008, 11:25 PM
um im not getting off work til 4pm so probably around 5-6pm or when ever he gets home and settles in

80

teen
11-24-2008, 11:27 PM
im just getting my hair cut in the morning and thats it for the day, lol.

id rather stop by tomorrow, im supposed to be helping a friend wiht a box build wednesday. no biggie either way though.

idk maybe ill see u tomorrow then.

80INCHES
11-24-2008, 11:32 PM
kool beans...i hope u caqn stop by...i will call u when im there

80

teen
11-24-2008, 11:59 PM
word sounds good.

Wobbly
11-25-2008, 12:08 AM
looks good

teen
11-25-2008, 12:12 AM
thanks

da box king
11-25-2008, 12:13 AM
serioulsy upgrade interiors and it will sound better

MmatsDude
11-25-2008, 12:13 AM
looks LOUD

teen
11-25-2008, 12:48 AM
serioulsy upgrade interiors and it will sound better

although it gets loud, its still a DD and a jeep at that. this thing is at the beach everyday in the summer, i have some fun in the trails with it every now and then, it gets used. i mean, at the end of the day, its still a jeep and i have fun with it. no need for anything fancy on the inside.

and the bandanas on the headrest are ill. idc what anybody says. they're staying.


looks LOUD
it gets the job done. hopefully ill be able to post some numbers sometime this week. im hoping to switch it up in the spring, just waiting on a few things.

path2spl
11-25-2008, 01:29 PM
ill be home all day today

LDW3RD
11-26-2008, 04:28 AM
me likey alot!

1rockford1
11-26-2008, 04:28 AM
looks like ****......j/k looks good bro

80INCHES
11-26-2008, 07:28 AM
wat til u guys see the tl scores...its impressive considering his elektrikal

80

teen
11-26-2008, 12:24 PM
lol

far from impressive. i was honestly hoping for a little bit better. im pretty sure theres guys close to me on a single 15" nightshade, so idk whats up.

147.2 dash@45hz
147.5 dash@44hz
148.5 kick @45hz
146.8 on music to lil jons "put 'em up"

the cops came just when we started testing on music, lol so we only got to try 2 songs then we got shut down.

anyway, im hoping for a little bit better with better electrical and i might be picking up a new box if i decide to lose my spare. im thinking safari rack, but who knows lol.

skmfkr
11-26-2008, 12:43 PM
yeah your not much louder than my 15 and 2kw, try bass racing push that nga, thats the song i use, but it looks like you picked a good song if ur avg and peak are within 1db

Pop da Hatch
11-26-2008, 01:39 PM
lets all hold hands.

teen
11-26-2008, 06:22 PM
yeah your not much louder than my 15 and 2kw, try bass racing push that nga, thats the song i use, but it looks like you picked a good song if ur avg and peak are within 1db
thats what im sayin. for 2 of what im running i was hoping for at least a mid 148 at the dash.


lets all hold hands.
i dont see where your going with this?

sundownz
11-26-2008, 06:26 PM
In my Jeep I get alot louder pushing the box forward towards the front of the vehicle.

152.1 with one 15" :)

Your low tune will decrease the peak score a bit too - but it appears to be very flat over a broad range!

teen
11-26-2008, 06:41 PM
it jumped something like .5 just by lowering both back seats.

i might have been able to pull another .2 out of it by moving the seats up/ down just playing around with stuff, but like i said, the cops came and shut us down when werent even really done testing.

im thinknig its gotta be something with the box build. im not sure the stability in electricals gunna help that much either.

pioneerpimp
11-26-2008, 06:47 PM
what the **** do the bandanas even mean? how are they "ill"? are they a trend? are they in?

skmfkr
11-26-2008, 06:48 PM
i have a honda fit and the sub and port are facing up, score doesnt vary with the seats up or down. whats does ur voltage drop to? hell you might even get louder with a single 18. im gonna be doing 1 18 next month in a similar box. 6cubes at 40hz with 4 4" aeros

01 S 10
11-26-2008, 06:50 PM
what is your voltage dropping to?

teen
11-26-2008, 07:05 PM
what the **** do the bandanas even mean? how are they "ill"? are they a trend? are they in?
if they were a trend or "in" i wouldnt have 'em on there. the thread isnt about the bandanas so dont worry about it. k :)


i have a honda fit and the sub and port are facing up, score doesnt vary with the seats up or down. whats does ur voltage drop to? hell you might even get louder with a single 18. im gonna be doing 1 18 next month in a similar box. 6cubes at 40hz with 4 4" aeros
thats suprising about the score not changing with seats up or down. i really wish we had some more time to try and change things up a bit in my truck, but the seats down definitely helped me out.


what is your voltage dropping to?
voltage is dropping to about 10v. ive had the amp cut out a few times already with this new HU. it has 4v preouts compared to my old HU which had 2v i believe. im going easy with it though and no smell/ distortion from the subs.


i can keep the voltage up there by raising the RPMs, but i dont like putting that kind of strain on the alternator. i really have to get my hands on a new battery or two.

skateboardkid
11-26-2008, 07:15 PM
if they were a trend or "in" i wouldnt have 'em on there. the thread isnt about the bandanas so dont worry about it. k :)


thats suprising about the score not changing with seats up or down. i really wish we had some more time to try and change things up a bit in my truck, but the seats down definitely helped me out.


voltage is dropping to about 10v. ive had the amp cut out a few times already with this new HU. it has 4v preouts compared to my old HU which had 2v i believe. im going easy with it though and no smell/ distortion from the subs.


i can keep the voltage up there by raising the RPMs, but i dont like putting that kind of strain on the alternator. i really have to get my hands on a new battery or two.

IF you don't get a battery now, you might not have an amp later! Are you trying to kill that amp? I bet you make a DB or 2 just by having your electrical at 14.4!

Box looks solid and there is enough port area - more testing and some different tones should do it - I got a torrent with every bass mechaniks CD's ever so if you need some tones I can mega upload them over to you.

01 S 10
11-26-2008, 07:18 PM
x2 ^^

if you can keep a steady 12.5v + at full tilt, you will HEAR a big improvement from 10 volts. thats wayyyy to fckin low.

I get skeeered when i drop to 12.1v lol... i couldnt imagine 10 :wow:

MikeyB
11-26-2008, 07:25 PM
x3

teen
11-26-2008, 07:29 PM
IF you don't get a battery now, you might not have an amp later! Are you trying to kill that amp? I bet you make a DB or 2 just by having your electrical at 14.4!

Box looks solid and there is enough port area - more testing and some different tones should do it - I got a torrent with every bass mechaniks CD's ever so if you need some tones I can mega upload them over to you.

yea, i understand that. this has only been an issue over the last 2 days though with the addition of the new HU. i might PM you in a few days for the tracks. i appreciate it.

im working on the extra battery. only time the amp will actually pull enough to drop the voltage that low is when the remote gain is turned up past half way. i leave it all the way down for DD and the voltage never drops like that soo.

i dont plan on doing any major testing right now, so the amp shouldnt see anything that low again for awhile. and by then i should have an extra battery so hopefully that means never see anything that low again.

JamesKarr
11-27-2008, 03:24 AM
Hey you post on pbnation dont you. Im architects over there. Looks sick

teen
11-27-2008, 11:52 AM
yup. im over there too.

kylecanthurdle
11-27-2008, 02:15 PM
u play pb too? just got my new gun we should hit up the fields sometime dude.

teen
11-27-2008, 07:48 PM
nope not anymore. im pretty much over there just for ST.

i worked at cousins for 5 years, so i was big into it up to about 2 years ago.

Millertime1028
11-27-2008, 11:38 PM
Next time when we meter we'll have to try moving the box around . Ive got different results on box placement itself . Random results with different car for the obvious reasons. In some cases they were gains. I mean we tryed eveything else besides this lol .

teen
11-28-2008, 11:42 AM
yea you're definitely right. honestly, if it wasnt for you i wouldnt have even thought of dropping the back seats.

blackxj
12-15-2008, 11:54 AM
hey teen if you look on the videos it looks like some dirtbags drew kaks on ur back window

U n K n O w N ?
12-15-2008, 12:21 PM
Yeah You Would Deff Get A Better Score If You Had and Extra Batt Or 2 in The Back and w/ that extra space that spare is taking up you could build your self a better box and im sure youll hit 150 maybe more depends on tuning etc.. of the box, 6th Oder ftw?

teen
12-16-2008, 09:52 PM
hey teen if you look on the videos it looks like some dirtbags drew kaks on ur back windowyea they did. looks like some douchebags at pepboys lit your backseats on fire.


Yeah You Would Deff Get A Better Score If You Had and Extra Batt Or 2 in The Back and w/ that extra space that spare is taking up you could build your self a better box and im sure youll hit 150 maybe more depends on tuning etc.. of the box, 6th Oder ftw?
i might be working a bunch in btwn semesters at college, so im hoping to make some money in the next few weeks. should definetly have enough money to pick up 2 batteries and maybe even a safari rack so i can get that back tire up on the roof.

kylecanthurdle
12-16-2008, 09:57 PM
yo when u comin home from school? we all gotta meet up and chill one day that ur home.

Pyro_By_Nature
12-16-2008, 10:08 PM
A few suggestions for you from a previous ZJ owner/competitor. You NEED at least one extra battery in the back. Also, lose the over used CRX box, grand cherokees hate that set-up, I tested this quite a few times. That way is is about 2-2.5db down from other firing options. Subs forward/port back (if you're real worried about numbers), or everything facing back.

It's also good you didn't tune at 32hz, my GC hated boxes tuned that low and you'll just end up with over-emphasized bass from 30-40hz, a peak at 45-48 and a big roll off from there.

teen
12-16-2008, 10:31 PM
im not too worried about numbers right now as im still in school and i dont reallly have time to make it to competitions and what not. maybe a few local ones during the summer, but other than that its just a DD. i was just curious to see what i was putting up.

as for the box style, idk. everybody always said port back sub up for an SUV so thats what i went with. im honestly not sure how much longer ill even have this set up. im loking to something a bit bigger in the summer so maybe then ill play around with a new box style. thanks for the input though.

and kyle, ill be home this friday until mid january. id like to try and get everybody together. we alwasy say were gunna do it, but it just never comes togetehr.

icweiner
12-16-2008, 11:22 PM
yup. im over there too.

me too :)

Pyro_By_Nature
12-16-2008, 11:41 PM
When you meter next time, try the box closer to the hatch, you should be able to find a 1-2 db ;) But don't have it too close, there's a "special" distance you gotta find.