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Screnzo
07-12-2008, 02:45 AM
As stated in the title this is the build log for my 97 TBird. For those who have not seen it yet, here it is:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03358.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03359.jpg

The equipment going in it is as follows:
PG Ti800.1
PG Ti600.2
PG Tantrum Eq15 (Titanium finish as well)
PG AX-406a Crossover
PG Ti Elite mids
and just because, pg interconnects.

The 600.2 I am still waiting on delivery of, but the other gear is here in house. I am going to try and take some pics of it all this weekend. I also have some sound deadening coming in, so I will include its install in the buildup.So far, I have ran the the power wire, but still need to do some minor work under the hood. I will post up pics of what I do have in the next post.

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 02:45 AM
Well, seeing as this car already has a somewhat decent alarm installed, I am moving on to running the power wire. I am not completely done with it, but I do have a fair bit of pics, and info. So, onto the "fun"!

In having done this twice now, I'd like to point out two things:
1) There really is not a very good place on the firewall itself to run wire this big. No empty grommets, and not a lot of free space unless you have a really long drill bit, and don't mind the wire coming in at a strange spot.
2) You *HAVE* to at least take off the top part of the outer drivers side fender to do this. Taking off the whole thing would make it a ton easier, but just the top was sufficient.

For starters, here is the channel that your wire is going to run down. I am using 1/0 this time around, but I know for a fact that 0/1 will also fit.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03367.jpg

And here is the grommet that we are going to use to go inside the car. This is located inside the drivers-side doorjam. You can see it roughly in the middle of the picture.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03373.jpg

Here is the wire I used. Knukonceptz Fleks Kable 1/0 guage:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03368.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03369.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03377.jpg

So, I proceeded to undo the top bolts on the fender, and the one located inside the doorjam, at the top. (I do not have a pic of that one, sorry) The bolts are 8mm, not sure if a non-metric would have worked better, but 8mm did fine.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03379.jpg

Didn't forget these ones back here this time!

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03378.jpg

Once I gently pulled back the top of the fender, I was able to see the back end of the channel for the wire.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03382.jpg

I gently fed it through from this end, nearest the door, instead of from the end by the battery. It made more sense to try and feet 4 or 5 feet to the front, then 10-15 through toward the back. With a bit of minor wiggling of the wire I got it through to the front.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03374.jpg


Part 2 below.

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 02:45 AM
I then ran the wire inside through the grommet, and put flex tubing on the part from the door to where it entered the fender channel at.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03383.jpg

This is the area of the car where the wire is coming in at. Just behind the e-brake and the hood release. There is a trim panel that has one pop out holder that keeps it in place. I took this off, and pulled back the foam to get into the side of the car to pull my wire through.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03372.jpg

I then ran the wire down the factory wiring trays, which were plenty big enough to accommodate it.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03384.jpg

The only hitch I ran into was that I had to take off the lower seatbelt mount for the driver off. It uses a tork head, I believe a t-47. I can always look if someone should need that info.

At this point pictures are non-existent since I had all of maybe 15 minutes to finish up. I ran the wire back along the remianing factory channels, and took out the back seat bottom. This was very easy, just pushed in and pulled up. Then I ran the wire along the curve of the molding, and up underneath the seatback and into the trunk. I then put some flex tubing around it, and put everything back together the way it was before I took it out. I still have to mount the fuse behind the drivers side light, and mount the fise block in the trunk. Perhaps next weekend! :D

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 02:45 AM
Here are some pics of some of the gear.

The 800.1:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03390.jpg

The EQ:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03386.jpg

The crossover:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03387.jpg

The mids:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03388.jpg

They are a shallow mount, which should help immensely.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/res0n8/dsc03389.jpg

And the RCA's:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/10/web/2194000-2194999/2194750_190_full.jpg


I'll get up more pics as stuffs comes in. Still waiting on the mids amp, and the headunit (clarion).

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 02:46 AM
Moar!

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 05:45 AM
Saving a couple more for future work.

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 05:46 AM
I hate heartburn, but it gives me a chance to reserve another one!

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 05:46 AM
one more for good measure!

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 05:46 AM
Brett Favre to Tampa Bay? :eek:

Fusion_FREAK
07-12-2008, 05:50 AM
Cool, I always liked that style of T birds. That must have been a bish to run the wire. Try to run speaker wire in a civic thru the door boot. It's not just a boot with wires, it's a boot covering a plug. I had to take the door off and drill a hole, I used the stock wire for the other side.

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 05:52 AM
Cool, I always liked that style of T birds. That must have been a bish to run the wire. Try to run speaker wire in a civic thru the door boot. It's not just a boot with wires, it's a boot covering a plug. I had to take the door off and drill a hole, I used the stock wire for the other side.

Yeah, it was a pain in the arse for sure. Second time around, still, only took about two hours. I think I could easily have shaved of 30-45 minutes of that by having the correct sized tools around, and didn't spend time trying to figure out how to get the inside wheelwell off instead....

95BlackGA
07-12-2008, 05:53 AM
Nice car, but the rear tires need to be bigger. Looks like a retarded hotwheels car like that. :p: Needs to be filled out more. Was there any certain reasoning for running mainly PG? Can you get better detailed pictures of the wiring being ran though the fender area? You could have saved A LOT of time and work running it underneath the car.

bball09124
07-12-2008, 05:57 AM
Cool, I always liked that style of T birds. That must have been a bish to run the wire. Try to run speaker wire in a civic thru the door boot. It's not just a boot with wires, it's a boot covering a plug. I had to take the door off and drill a hole, I used the stock wire for the other side.

Try running power nearly the exact same way as the OP did as well as running speaker wire through solid plastic plugs. After running speaker wire for the second time through doors I swear I'm never doing it again.

And to the OP, looks like everything is coming along nicely.

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 05:57 AM
Nice car, but the rear tires need to be bigger. Looks like a retarded hotwheels car like that. :p: Needs to be filled out more. Was there any certain reasoning for running mainly PG? Can you get better detailed pictures of the wiring being ran though the fender area? You could have saved A LOT of time and work running it underneath the car.

Yeah, that they do. I think I could easily fit 20's all around and it still look good. One day! :D

I always liked pg's stuff. Pretty well built, and at a decent price nowadays. Figured if I was gonna run pg amps, why not just go all the way? I mean, I certainly did not have to use pg rca's, or the eq really, but as it's all the same finish, I though it'd be a nice visual setup.

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 05:59 AM
Try running power nearly the exact same way as the OP did as well as running speaker wire through solid plastic plugs. After running speaker wire for the second time through doors I swear I'm never doing it again.

And to the OP, looks like everything is coming along nicely.

Thanks! :D

I swear I don't want to ever have to run more power cable in another car for at least 6 months minimum!

95BlackGA
07-12-2008, 06:05 AM
Yeah, that they do. I think I could easily fit 20's all around and it still look good. One day! :D

I always liked pg's stuff. Pretty well built, and at a decent price nowadays. Figured if I was gonna run pg amps, why not just go all the way? I mean, I certainly did not have to use pg rca's, or the eq really, but as it's all the same finish, I though it'd be a nice visual setup.

It'll definitely be a nice setup when it's done. The front wheels on the car look good, but on the rear they don't fill in very well? Could just be the pictures, I guess. How do you like the Knu Fleks wire? I'm buying some within the next week, so hopefully it's a lot better than the KLM wiring, or else I'm going the cheap way.

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 06:07 AM
It'll definitely be a nice setup when it's done. The front wheels on the car look good, but on the rear they don't fill in very well? Could just be the pictures, I guess. How do you like the Knu Fleks wire? I'm buying some within the next week, so hopefully it's a lot better than the KLM wiring, or else I'm going the cheap way.

I love it. It made this go around so much easier. The stuff is literally like a wet noodle! :eek:

Fyi the rubber coating is not slick, like other wire, probably a by product of its flexibility. When you feel it, it seems rather grippy, but this did not cause a problem during install. Kinda weird really....

Fusion_FREAK
07-12-2008, 06:12 AM
The KLM is alright, but I really wouldn't want to use it for my power wire. It's just not as flexable as other stuff I've seen. The best wire I've probably seen is the Kicker Hyper Flex. Going to be using that when I get around to buying 0/1 power wire.

bigbangtheory
07-12-2008, 09:31 AM
That is a nice T-Bird! I agree the tires need to fill it out more, or you need to get bigger rims and low pros, or slam the bish!

I had a 94 LX with the 4.6L in it with an aftermarket supercharger on it and was running 12's with it. Not bad considering I only did that and a couple other things to support the supercharger. Miss that car.........as pretty much all my other rides I had at one time. Enjoy it!

Also I never had to take my fender well off to run power wire............but to be fair to you, I was only running 4g, which was all I needed for what I had in there, which wasn't much.

Screnzo
07-12-2008, 12:25 PM
That is a nice T-Bird! I agree the tires need to fill it out more, or you need to get bigger rims and low pros, or slam the bish!

I had a 94 LX with the 4.6L in it with an aftermarket supercharger on it and was running 12's with it. Not bad considering I only did that and a couple other things to support the supercharger. Miss that car.........as pretty much all my other rides I had at one time. Enjoy it!

Also I never had to take my fender well off to run power wire............but to be fair to you, I was only running 4g, which was all I needed for what I had in there, which wasn't much.


Yeah....I *might* have been able to do it without removing it, but it was sooooo much easier this way. Big rims and thin tires are a must! :D

Screnzo
07-13-2008, 02:37 PM
**UPDATE**

Added some pics of my stuffs.
:D

MikeyB
09-18-2008, 02:16 PM
Man you could have ran that 1/0 into the car way easier than pulling the fender halfway. Ive ran 1/0 through my old bird and my cougar that I have now, and I have two runs in the cougar.

Ill dig up a pic....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/MikeyB88/Update008.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/MikeyB88/Update002-1.jpg

Not sure if you can really see it in the first pic or not, but I ran them through the driver side of the firewall. It was a ***** to get a hole drilled back in there but I managed on both the bird and the cougar.

Heres a pic on the inside of the firewall in the cougar.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/MikeyB88/Pix001.jpg

Things are a little different now since the pics but its all still run through those spots.

You can see in the last pic where the padding on the firewall has the one spot pulled out of it, its stamped like that from factory and rips off pretty easy. Then theres a few dimples in the firewall that make a great spot to start drilling a hole up under there.

Just an fyi for you in case you run into issues in the future.

Nice lookin bird too, I want them Cobra Rrrrrr'ssss! :D

snoopdan
09-18-2008, 02:17 PM
lookn' good so far!

jdc753
09-18-2008, 04:47 PM
Car is looking good, nice to see a good clean older car and an owner who cars about it.

Power run is certainly different, but seems like it works good.

Nice looking equipment, I have always been a fan of using all matching equipment, or at the least matching up the amps and such.

Can't wait to see the rest of the pics of the gear going in.

flipside1212
09-18-2008, 05:07 PM
man i just got a 94 so ill be building mine soon also.

Lil Poot
11-01-2008, 01:58 PM
thats in really good shape, nice car man. i actually like the wheels now, clean, not blingy. an 18-19 inch version of that same wheel would look sweet.

i used to have a really nice '88 cougar xr-7... not the same body style, but i miss that car a lot.