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Some DudeMan
06-25-2008, 08:36 PM
hi yall, need help b/c i really dont know anything about car audio. evidentaly neither does best buy 'pros' :laugh:

i drive a 2001 saturn l200.

the front doors got Pioneer SPS-17C2 in them.

the back doors got Alpine something. i dont know the exact model. i looked at them and all i saw written on them was 'type s' so i searched it, and found this:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7652612&type=product&id=1134701298078&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=7652612

and thats exactly what they look like.

trunk got an Insignia amp(not sure on exact model) and Kenwood 12s.

some pics of trunk:

http://i31.tinypic.com/294j51c.jpg

closeup of amp:
http://i25.tinypic.com/b9c4ea.jpg

top of amp:
http://i28.tinypic.com/28l7wh5.jpg

right side of amp:
http://i31.tinypic.com/30ix15i.jpg

left side of amp:
http://i30.tinypic.com/2iu2d76.jpg

i dont know the model of the insignia amp. all it says on it to distinquish itself is insignia on top. it came in a insignia sound package i bought at best buy a few years ago along with 2 insignia 12 subs. which have since been replaced since they kept blowing. dont know what i was thinking even buying insignia in the first place.




what i'm looking for and need help/advice with:



first of all i want to upgrade my head unit. i currently have a JVC KD-AR260. its good and all but i am sick of my cd's always skipping and just using cd technology in general. i am going to be buying an ipod touch soon, so i want a head unit with ipod hookup capabilities. i'm thinking about just having some velcro on my gear shift and just control the music from the ipod. so i dont have to keep changing cd's and worrying about them skipping. so i need a recommendation of a good head unit with ipod hookup capabilities, doesnt have to be the BEST, just something thats good quality and nice. needs to have a remote too.



what i have heard on my system was that the speakers in my front doors are bad speakers. i have also heard i should get another amp to power the door speakers. what should i do? please help. should i keep the insignia amp powering the kenwood subs? should i use the insignia amp to power the door speakers and get a new amp to power the subs? or should i get rid of the insignia amp and get 2 new amps, or 1 new amp? are the speakers in my back doors good? i'm sorta lost on what to do b/c like i said i dont know anything about this kinda stuff which is why i came here for help. i am done getting the advice of the 'pros' :rolleyes: at best buy/circuit city.


im not trying to have the best system around or anything, just want to upgrade what i have to get the best out of it. im not looking to spend money out of my *** either.

and i sorta need some advice kinda quick, because i have a 10% off coupon for ebay i want to use on this. please help...

92SC300
06-25-2008, 08:57 PM
just here to say be careful when buying stuff off ebay

most higher end products come with warrantys but when buying from anyone on ebay you are no longer protected under warranty

I would say play it safe and buy from a authorized seller

if you want to use the 10% off ebay I would recomend you buy amp kits or something along those lines

Some DudeMan
06-25-2008, 09:12 PM
some items on ebay come with warranties also....thanks for the feedback though.

quest51210
06-25-2008, 09:13 PM
you should upgrade the car

Some DudeMan
06-25-2008, 09:24 PM
not looking for smart *** responses, thanks. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

RidnClean
06-25-2008, 09:33 PM
how much you got to spend

Some DudeMan
06-25-2008, 09:34 PM
like 300-400

miker
06-25-2008, 09:34 PM
Turn the bass boost off :)

acold7dusta
06-25-2008, 10:17 PM
300-400 on just the head unit or everything?

Some DudeMan
06-26-2008, 03:39 PM
300-400 on just a head unit? wow this site is full of jokesters. :rolleyes: everything. maybe 400-500 at the most. i just want to make the best of what i have really, not trying to redo everything.



advice i got on another forum is...

move the alpines to the front doors. and not worry about putting anything in the back? and having the insignia amp power them, and get a new amp to power the kenwood subs?


what about.....

selling the pioneer speakers in the front, getting more alpines so i have alpines in all 4 doors, having the insignia amp power all 4, then buying a new amp to power the kenwood subs? and of course a new head unit. would that be an upgrade over what i have now? or just a waste of time/money? if that sounds good could yall recc me an amp? and a head unit

miker
06-26-2008, 03:59 PM
Lol... 300-400 isn't far out, people will spend double that on just an HU...


I say get rid of that insignia amp first thing.

TurdFergueson2
06-26-2008, 05:47 PM
hi yall, need help b/c i really dont know anything about car audio. evidentaly neither does best buy 'pros' :laugh:

i drive a 2001 saturn l200.

the front doors got Pioneer SPS-17C2 in them.

the back doors got Alpine something. i dont know the exact model. i looked at them and all i saw written on them was 'type s' so i searched it, and found this:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7652612&type=product&id=1134701298078&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=7652612

and thats exactly what they look like.

trunk got an Insignia amp(not sure on exact model) and Kenwood 12s.

some pics of trunk:

http://i31.tinypic.com/294j51c.jpg

closeup of amp:
http://i25.tinypic.com/b9c4ea.jpg

top of amp:
http://i28.tinypic.com/28l7wh5.jpg

right side of amp:
http://i31.tinypic.com/30ix15i.jpg

left side of amp:
http://i30.tinypic.com/2iu2d76.jpg

i dont know the model of the insignia amp. all it says on it to distinquish itself is insignia on top. it came in a insignia sound package i bought at best buy a few years ago along with 2 insignia 12 subs. which have since been replaced since they kept blowing. dont know what i was thinking even buying insignia in the first place.




what i'm looking for and need help/advice with:



first of all i want to upgrade my head unit. i currently have a JVC KD-AR260. its good and all but i am sick of my cd's always skipping and just using cd technology in general. i am going to be buying an ipod touch soon, so i want a head unit with ipod hookup capabilities. i'm thinking about just having some velcro on my gear shift and just control the music from the ipod. so i dont have to keep changing cd's and worrying about them skipping. so i need a recommendation of a good head unit with ipod hookup capabilities, doesnt have to be the BEST, just something thats good quality and nice. needs to have a remote too.



what i have heard on my system was that the speakers in my front doors are bad speakers. i have also heard i should get another amp to power the door speakers. what should i do? please help. should i keep the insignia amp powering the kenwood subs? should i use the insignia amp to power the door speakers and get a new amp to power the subs? or should i get rid of the insignia amp and get 2 new amps, or 1 new amp? are the speakers in my back doors good? i'm sorta lost on what to do b/c like i said i dont know anything about this kinda stuff which is why i came here for help. i am done getting the advice of the 'pros' :rolleyes: at best buy/circuit city.


im not trying to have the best system around or anything, just want to upgrade what i have to get the best out of it. im not looking to spend money out of my *** either.

and i sorta need some advice kinda quick, because i have a 10% off coupon for ebay i want to use on this. please help...

Are those monster cables on that Insignia amp? I would rip all that **** out, put it on Craislist, for like 2-250 and save up some money for other stuff. Start with the HU. I like Pioneer Hu's but I would choose Alpine if my spot was a dealer of them.
Rock the pioneer with the speakers you got now, and then change those out with some nice components. Others can tell you better about those.

Then take your time about which subs/amps and all of that to get.

So if you got money this week, get an HU and an amp for the inside.

eharri3
06-26-2008, 05:58 PM
Stop worrying about brand names and other peoples opinions of ur stuff. Half the time when people generalize about brands they cant tell u why they think what they do theyre just saying what theyve heard. Ask urself what ur systen does and doesnt do well enough for u and go from there. An ipod hu of any decent brand can be had for under 250. BB has a couple good ones for under 150. If ur bass sounds good leave the sub stage as is. If not any good alpine/kenwood/pioneer sub amp will do. Id look for cheap but decent components and a used 2 channel for highs and power the rears off the hu if u want more highs. That could be done for 3 or 350 n ot including install if u shop. Dont worry about if the rear coaxes are :good:. If they function leave them alone. Front stage is what make or break an sq system. Important thing if ur on a budget is dont just replace things because uve heard the brand isnt good. Replace what doesnt do a good enough job for your ears and keep what u like.

shortmag
06-26-2008, 06:16 PM
I agree with eharri3.

my thoughts:

on your front speakers:
are they blown? do they sound that bad? if they still sound good to you, why replace them.

on your insignia amp:
do you like the way your subs sound? no need to replace it if it sounds good to you. the one thing i would do is to upgrade to larger speaker wire from the amp to the subs, that stuff in your pic looks kinda cheap.
also, i don't think you'll be able to run all your door speakers off that insignia amp because it looks to only be a 2-channel amp. meaning it should only run 1/2 speakers. you can run run 4 speakers from a 2-chanel amp, but you have to make sure the amp (and speakers for that matter) will run at the ohm load created by hooking up 2 speakers per channel.

I would get a 4-channel amp to run your 4 door speakers. the clarity and power will be much better coming from an amp then from the HU itself.

I'd look at getting a new HU first, since that seems to be what you want to upgrade the most. then if you have money left over, look into a new amp for the door speakers and so on.... what ever you feel like upgrading next.

take a look at the panasonic line of HUs. i love mine and the newer ones look to have the ipod interface you're looking for with the right adapter.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_11455_Panasonic+CQ-C800U.html
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_9310_Panasonic+CA-VDC300U.html

there is a new HU W/ipod adapter for under $300.

Some DudeMan
06-26-2008, 06:29 PM
appreciate all the feedback.

the front speakers do sound pretty **** ****** to be honest. i think the one on my passenger door might even be blown, or atleast close to it.

the subs sound pretty good, i like them. so you just suggest getting new wiring from the subs to the amp? what kind of wiring then?


what about pioneer premier head units? those are the ones i been looking at. then i read some reviews on them and people were saying they were annoying because the big knob on it controls too many different things and is a nuisance. so i just don't know. :confused:

miker
06-26-2008, 08:50 PM
I think you just got some advice that isn't that great.

budget amps; Power Acoustik, Profile, Hifonics. They will all be decent inexpensive amps.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/ That sub for 50$ on the home page, that would be great if you don't want to spend a ton, I believe they're about 65$ shipped each.

As for a new HU, you can look through the classifieds on here and find something decent for very cheap. Or Sony's HU's aren't terrible, or maybe a "low end" Alpine.

miker
06-26-2008, 08:56 PM
http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1200.html
amp for subs

http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap600.html
amp for speakers

http://www.millionbuy.com/piodehp3000ib.html
HU

That's 300$ plus 130$ for subs.. That brings you to 430$.

:)

Some DudeMan
06-26-2008, 08:59 PM
so you're saying get rid of the insignia amp?

thats a good hu? b/c i like the price :veryhapp:

Savstyle
06-26-2008, 09:01 PM
If you dont midn buying used you can make a brand new system for 500.

200 for new hu, there allways some good ones in th classifieds

100-175 for some comps. Once again theres allways some good ones for sale in the classfieds

100 bux for an amp for power them, profile would be easy to find in the price range.

as for subs, if you like the way they sound then leave em if you want some thing more. Then id suggest sell your current hu and subs and amp. Then find a new substage.

Ill go see what i can find for you

Savstyle
06-26-2008, 09:28 PM
HU:http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326102
Good price for the unit

175

Comp Amp:http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323018

75

Sub:http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323929
15" mag great sub kinda rapes your budget but if you wanted to upgrade this would do it.
250

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323787

fosgate HE2 another good sub and a bit cheaper

100

Sub Amp:http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324943
1100 maybe a lil overrated for sits price it will power many subs

150

Comps: Pg rsds can be had for 90-140 bux, raindbow soundslines 150-190 and on and on


IMO Id get the
hu for 175
comp amp for 75
sub amp 150
and just wait for a nice sell on some comps or use the coupon you have on ebay and swoop on some nice comps.

After you get those current peices i listed. Sell you subs, amp, and hu. Then buy a new sub and comps. Then you would a killer system.

Some DudeMan
06-26-2008, 09:32 PM
i dont want to upgrade the subs. was thinking about buying a better amp to power the subs i already have though. and use the amp i have to power the inside speakers, for now. eventually will probably get rid of the insignia amp.


that guy doesnt even say what kind of head unit that is? but since the ppl were saying its a great deal i guess i'll go for it...

Savstyle
06-26-2008, 09:44 PM
i dont want to upgrade the subs. was thinking about buying a better amp to power the subs i already have though. and use the amp i have to power the inside speakers, for now. eventually will probably get rid of the insignia amp.


that guy doesnt even say what kind of head unit that is? but since the ppl were saying its a great deal i guess i'll go for it...

the one i posted?

Its an alpine

jdc0589
06-26-2008, 10:08 PM
appreciate all the feedback.

the front speakers do sound pretty **** ****** to be honest. i think the one on my passenger door might even be blown, or atleast close to it.

the subs sound pretty good, i like them. so you just suggest getting new wiring from the subs to the amp? what kind of wiring then?


what about pioneer premier head units? those are the ones i been looking at. then i read some reviews on them and people were saying they were annoying because the big knob on it controls too many different things and is a nuisance. so i just don't know. :confused:

I am a fan of Kenwood head units. Im not sure how their lower end stuff is, but the higher end single DIN excelons are quite nice (some can be had for about $200).

Im going to tell you the same thing I tell everyone. DONT try and make a small budget cover a bunch of changes to your setup. It will be MUCH better in the long run if you simply use the money you have now to buy one or two quality pieces that you will hang on to even when everything else gets upgraded.

In my opinion, your money would be best spent on a set of nice component speakers with a decent amp to power them. Keep your apline speakers in the back, and just trash whatever is up front and replace them with nice components.

Ill look around and see what suggestions I can come up with.

Some DudeMan
06-26-2008, 10:39 PM
ya....sounds like a plan...the front ones are trash


so new speakers for front doors

and an amp to power them.

and a new head unit.


i dont understand how to upgrade the wiring, since everyone says what i have now is crap. whats some good wiring to get?




but i am going to keep my insignia amp for now and will probably eventually replace it. but should i use that to power the door speakers or keep it powering the subs? i got advice to just have the front door speakers hooked to an amp and not amp the back door ones, think thats what i'm gonna do. i guess i'll keep the insignia amp to power the two front door speakers? and get a new one to power the kenwood subs.

jdc0589
06-26-2008, 10:43 PM
ya....sounds like a plan...the front ones are trash


so new speakers for front doors

and an amp to power them.

and a new head unit.


i dont understand how to upgrade the wiring, since everyone says what i have now is crap. whats some good wiring to get?

Hmm....that is pushing it in terms of getting good stuff and staying within your price range; I had forgotten that you really want to ditch the HU. A friend of mine was in this exact same situation and we decided to just go with a nice Kenwood Excelon head unit and save the rest of the cash until he had more available. Honestly, seeing you have a better system than stock as it is, I would definitely suggest the same thing (and moving the alpine speakers up front). Look at all the Kenwood Excelons except for the KDC-X991 (its their nicest one and its what I have, but its expensive and not worth the extra features for what you are doing).

I would do the amp's the other way around. If you have to choose between a nice amp for the components or subs, always put it with the component speakers. I spent 3x as much on my components and amp for them than I did on the sub and its amp. Here is a complete run through of what I would do for the time being:

1) Find a good head unit; it will probly be in the $180-250 range. Look for the features you want, but make sure it has either 4v or 5v RCA outputs. Im pretty sure all HU's have seperate front, rear, and sub rca's now, but just make sure.... Also, all of the kenwood excelons (I think) can read files from a flash drive; so unless you really want the ipod itself to use other places, just spend $20-40 on a big flash drive.

2) Move the ****** speakers to the back and use the head unit's built in amp to power them.
3) Move the alpines up front. I would suggest testing them on the head unit's amp as well (It will have 4 low powered channels, probly 20-30watts rms each and 50w peak each or so). They wont sound perfect, but if they sound decent I would just leave it and save the money you would have spent on a half- *** amp for the half assed speakers. IMO, it would be dumb to spend money/plan any part of your build around speakers you dont want to keep in the long run if you can help it.


If all of the above works out well, you shouldn't have spent more than $250. Then, I would save up until you have the cash to purchase some nice component speakers (for the front doors) and an amp for them at the same time. Just some brands to take a look at when you get to this point: Rainbow, Focal (polyglass line), MB Quart (not sure how much the q-line is). Obviously go with 6.5's if you can fit them. As for an amp for them, JL amps are pretty good. the 300/2 is a quality proven amp, and represents a pretty good value, but would probably be a little overkill for any speakers you are looking at. See what they have that is a little less powerful.

Some DudeMan
06-26-2008, 11:24 PM
thats some good info right there.

and ya want to get an itouch regardless.



kenwood excelons huh? hmmm, u know where i would be able to get one at the best price?

jdc0589
06-27-2008, 02:37 PM
woofersetc.com is not an authorized dealer for most, if not all of their stuff so you cant file for the factory warranty, but they offer a 1 year warranty on their own instead.

I put a $2.3k order through with them last year and have nothing but good things to say.

miker
06-27-2008, 02:56 PM
lol.. 4 or 5v pre-outs???

All you need is 2v...


Link to Kenwood HU's. (Million Buy is a GREAT website)
http://www.millionbuy.com/caudio-cd-ken.html

EGGmane
06-27-2008, 02:59 PM
lol.. 4 or 5v pre-outs???

All you need is 2v...


Link to Kenwood HU's. (Million Buy is a GREAT website)
http://www.millionbuy.com/caudio-cd-ken.html

millionbuy is a great website, but have you heard how clean the signal from a 4V pre out is? it makes a lot of difference, at least in my experience.

hrtbrk1
06-27-2008, 03:10 PM
millionbuy is a great website, but have you heard how clean the signal from a 4V pre out is? it makes a lot of difference, at least in my experience.

x2 on the clarity thing...but if you can get a good amp and good speakers...pre volt wont mean that much...

miker
06-30-2008, 09:22 PM
End up doing anything?

Some DudeMan
07-09-2008, 07:38 PM
not yet...very very soon....got $450 in my paypal right now and looking to spend it...just still contemplating/shopping around on what to get...trying to find the best deals.

Some DudeMan
07-11-2008, 08:03 PM
http://www.millionbuy.com/snyxm554zr.html

is this a good amp?

Some DudeMan
07-11-2008, 09:09 PM
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/millionbuy/amplifier.htm


WHATS THE BEST DEAL ON AN AMP ON THIS SITE FOR ME?????

miker
07-11-2008, 09:13 PM
http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1040.html

For a 4 channel, this on most likely

Or the gothic series Power Acoustik amps are also a good choice.

Some DudeMan
07-11-2008, 09:42 PM
i just bought that amp and this head unit

http://www.millionbuy.com/piodehp400ub.html


total came to $230.



now all i need is new comp speakers for my front doors. any suggestions? and how can i tell if they will fit in my car or not? or will any of them fit?

miker
07-11-2008, 10:00 PM
That should be pretty good :)

Not sure what to recommend for the comp set.

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13688

Those are popular

so are these (BTW 99.$ is a pretty decent price on them, just order something small with them to get free shipping)

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17541

Some DudeMan
07-11-2008, 10:22 PM
how do i know if the speakers will fit in my car or not? and the head unit should fit right?

miker
07-12-2008, 12:04 AM
how do i know if the speakers will fit in my car or not? and the head unit should fit right?

The HU will most likely fit. Unless your cars stock stereo is a double din, in that case you can most likely get an adapter for like 5$.


I guess you should measure the speakers that are currently in your car to see what size you need.

I would guess you need 5.25" or 6.5" speakers.

Some DudeMan
07-12-2008, 01:50 AM
once i get that what all should i connect to the amp? the new front speakers or the kenwood subs? and let the new head unit power the back speakers? do u suggest me getting rid of the insignia amp and getting another amp to replace that? would it b worth it or should i just keep the insignia amp?



n i thought i remember someone mentioning if i cut off the bass from the back speakers that would make it sound better? or cut out the bass from both front and back? whiat should i do and how?

bigbangtheory
07-12-2008, 08:58 AM
once i get that what all should i connect to the amp? the new front speakers or the kenwood subs? and let the new head unit power the back speakers? do u suggest me getting rid of the insignia amp and getting another amp to replace that? would it b worth it or should i just keep the insignia amp?



n i thought i remember someone mentioning if i cut off the bass from the back speakers that would make it sound better? or cut out the bass from both front and back? whiat should i do and how?

I would get rid of the Insignia amp myself. Is just uber cheap best buy crap. I mean I understand being on a budget, hell I am too and I got mad money in the bank, just priorites first.

I have a class A/B Autotek 750.1 SS amp that I have heard is underated. Great little amp and got mine cheap off the classified section here, but they can be had at like 170 IIRC off onlinestereo.com. Just call to make sure they are in stock if you wanted something from there first. Have mine on 1 Kicker CVX D2 sub and almost at 140dbs and sounds pretty good. I might be selling mine in the near future, but Autotek is a good brand and make some nice budget and not so budget stuff, lol! Check them out.

Also I have my deck powering the back speakers as I have a 4 channel I bridged on my front speakers, which are PG Rsd's, which are decent for budget componet set. I say if you want to save, get those, but for a little more can hit up Pioneers new TSC Line which has had stellar reviews.


I also recommend two amps, one for your highs and a mono amp for your subs.

If you want to run multiply speakers off one amp, such as highs and subs, I suggest a 5 channel amp myself. ED Nine.5 makes a decent priced one I believe.

eggyhustles
07-24-2008, 09:31 PM
I tried to help this dude on another forum and he argued that a prefab box is better than a custom one..all i did was try to help lol..