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ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:38 PM
Figured I would throw my build on here. It is not complete yet. Need a base score to start some mods on the box.

I know it isn't pretty, but it gets the job done for now. Everything is below the window line and behind the 3rd row seat, with the exception of one battery under the hood.

System includes.
Sony POS headunit - Replaceing in the near future
2x Kicker L5 15's Dual 2's
2x DbDrive Platimun series 1200.1 Strapped at 1/2 ohm = 1/4 ohm each Daily
2x Kinetik HC2400's
Kicker hyperflex 1/0 wire = 1 run each of positive and ground and big 3
Streetwires 4 gauge


http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/van1.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/van4.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/van7.jpg

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:41 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/radio1.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/radio3.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/radio5.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/radio6.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/radio7.jpg

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:43 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1360.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1366.jpg
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http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1331.jpg

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:45 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1345.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1346.jpg
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http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1410.jpg

bumpin buick
05-13-2008, 03:45 PM
interesting

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:47 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1341.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1397.jpg
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http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1400.jpg

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:48 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1439.jpg
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http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1496.jpg

bones22
05-13-2008, 03:49 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1400.jpg[/QUOTE]

please say this isnt a ground!!!!

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:49 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/pic032108_5.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/pic032208_6.jpg
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http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1498.jpg

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:51 PM
That was, and since has been moved to a different location. Haven't gotten pics of it yet.

bones22
05-13-2008, 03:51 PM
That was, and since has been moved to a different location. Haven't gotten pics of it yet.

at least you moved it. although the hole could cause problems later.

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:52 PM
Didn't get much of the box build, just a typical style subs and ports up. Once a score is done, then it wil get some treatment on the inside and out.

jco1385
05-13-2008, 03:52 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1345.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1346.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1404.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1410.jpg

i'm no professional, but that battery brace is **** close to that pos. distro

DDeitz
05-13-2008, 03:52 PM
Damm all behind the last row not too bad at all. Pretty is overrated anyway !!

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:53 PM
Drilled no holes to run any wire, or attach any wires. Used areas that already had holes and exisiting bolts.

ST33M
05-13-2008, 03:55 PM
Battery pos is on the bottom and the brace is bolted to the floor and 4 inches away from the distro block that is attached to the side panel. You can push on the bracket and rock the van without it moveing.

jco1385
05-13-2008, 03:57 PM
Battery pos is on the bottom and the brace is bolted to the floor and 4 inches away from the distro block that is attached to the side panel. You can push on the bracket and rock the van without it moveing.

it looks way closer than 4" to me. could be the pic

mdillon
05-13-2008, 03:57 PM
used hte old trusty seatbelt bolt eh?

ST33M
05-13-2008, 04:00 PM
It looks close in the pic, but really isn't. I can try and get a better pic.

I used the back seat belt bolt for an extra ground, had the short piece left over. There is still the other run of neg from front to back as well. Get a reading of 14.32 to the back. With new stock 160amp alt.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1342.jpg

kovemaster559
05-13-2008, 04:01 PM
kool build looks decent but needs panelsto clean it up that brace is way to close to the distro lets sya u brake realy had brace falls off hits distro block ur unconsions and that starts fire . good luck

jco1385
05-13-2008, 04:01 PM
noice. i get like 13.4v at the rear battery with a g31, a g34 and 200a alt (at idle) :crap:

ST33M
05-13-2008, 04:03 PM
The brace is bolted and doesn't move. Rocks the van when you push it from the back. it is farther away from the distro then it looks.

ST33M
05-13-2008, 04:06 PM
Forgot to add. I did the typical decal thing. But didn't overdo it.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1462.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1459.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1464.jpg

ST33M
05-13-2008, 04:08 PM
Only problem I have now, is the back side windows. Need three people to man the van when metering.
Have to figure a way to seal them tighter and still be able to show they work. Motorized pop out style.

jco1385
05-13-2008, 04:10 PM
put deadener on them?

ST33M
05-13-2008, 04:13 PM
Still wouldn't help how weak they are. Has one pivot point for the motor to push the window out. may try to add extra weather stripping. See if that helps. If not, then I am sure someone at a comp would aid in holding the windows.

DDeitz
05-13-2008, 04:14 PM
Yea my van had the same problem, actually was the same color as mine too. I was thinking of removing the or disconnecting the motors and just sealing the windows shut. Or if you still want them to work you could fab a bracket to hold them shut and then just unlatch it when you will not be competing...other then that i dno

ST33M
05-13-2008, 04:17 PM
That may work. Have to see if that is within the rules and not put me in a different class.
Ty for the suggestion.

bluelceii
05-13-2008, 05:59 PM
noice. i get like 13.4v at the rear battery with a g31, a g34 and 200a alt (at idle) :crap:

I get 14.3x at my rear battery also :p:

I got a question though... do you have that power cable fused from the front battery to the rear battery at all???

ST33M
05-14-2008, 02:42 AM
No fusing from front to back batteries.

ST33M
05-14-2008, 05:59 AM
Also built one of these typical boxes. Hd it in an extended cab fullsize ford. Sounded halfway decent for what sub was in it. Tuned to 30 hz.
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/DSCF0721.jpg

ST33M
05-14-2008, 06:03 AM
Or this one. Built for the trunk of a 94 ford contour. Had to slide it thru the front.
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/SUNP0001.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/SUNP0005.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/SUNP0006.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/SUNP0009.jpg

malc-ez
05-14-2008, 06:05 AM
good **** bruh minivans wit slap hella go

ST33M
05-14-2008, 06:09 AM
We will see how well it does for the first time out on saturday. Then work on it more after the initial number.

Forgot to mention. bro helped with the radio mount and wife designed the box for the most part. I just built it, along with bro's help and tools. ***** not haveing alot of tools, or garage, to work with.

jco1385
05-14-2008, 10:34 AM
I get 14.3x at my rear battery also :p:

I got a question though... do you have that power cable fused from the front battery to the rear battery at all???

read much?

and yes, 2 fuses between batteries. 300a at the front, 300a at the rear

ST33M
05-14-2008, 02:42 PM
I do believe he was asking me if I had fuses. In which case, I don't.

jco1385
05-14-2008, 02:45 PM
I do believe he was asking me if I had fuses. In which case, I don't.

why is that? it's a good idea

ST33M
05-14-2008, 02:59 PM
Not a fan of Fuses. The way everything is run I have no worries that the insulation will rub off the power wire and short out. I also check the power wire to distro and amps often enough and tighten as needed.

jco1385
05-14-2008, 03:02 PM
what about spikes, or accidents? why do you not like fuses?

i love fuses. i was putting in my box (neg posts unhooked) and the neg cable accidentally touched the pos post and welded itself and blew the fuse. it could have been way worse

galacticmonkey
05-14-2008, 03:07 PM
There is no way those amps will play at 1/4 ohm, much less 1/8 ohm each, even for a burp.

If somehow you can squeeze a burp in with each amp at 1/8th ohm, theres no chance in hell it will play music for more than a couple seconds, if at all.

How exactly do you have it wired?

ST33M
05-14-2008, 03:26 PM
I knew you would say something sooner or later. Since we had this discussion of sorts before.

Dual 2 L5's. Wire in para each yields 1 ohm. Wire those in para again and what do you get ? Now the amps are strapped to the para pair. What are the amps seeing ?

My calc gets .5 ohms final load and the strapped pair seeing .25 each. yes this is before impedance rise, but they are doing it and have been doing it daily for 2 months now with ease.

galacticmonkey
05-14-2008, 04:14 PM
Strapped at .25 and each amp at .25 are totally different things.

ST33M
05-14-2008, 04:19 PM
So I worded that wrong. I fixed it. But as you see, each amp is still seeing .25 each daily.

bumpin buick
05-14-2008, 04:23 PM
thats pretty sick

ST33M
05-14-2008, 04:41 PM
Ty

sixfootman2005
05-14-2008, 04:42 PM
looks pretty good

bigbangtheory
05-14-2008, 06:26 PM
It's meh for me. But I am sure it is loud!

DBDesignsElite
05-14-2008, 11:56 PM
Vids on this build??

jdawg
05-15-2008, 12:03 AM
I love mimivans. But why did you do all that **** to the factory headunit and not just buy a $10 kit at walmart?

ST33M
05-15-2008, 04:31 AM
Because it was free and easy to do. Not going to use the factory deck again anyways, sense the cd player and fader didn't work. And it is alot better looking then most kits they make for the van.

I will try and get vids up after borrowing a cam. Mine takes crappy videos.

It is loud enough for now. Getting use to it really, which means it needs to be louder now. But still waiting on the scores.

DBDesignsElite
05-15-2008, 11:36 PM
Because it was free and easy to do. Not going to use the factory deck again anyways, sense the cd player and fader didn't work. And it is alot better looking then most kits they make for the van.

I will try and get vids up after borrowing a cam. Mine takes crappy videos.

It is loud enough for now. Getting use to it really, which means it needs to be louder now. But still waiting on the scores. Hows the rear end likeing the weight??

ST33M
05-16-2008, 01:51 AM
Believe it or not, I only dropped about 1/2 inch if that from the added wieght. Not bad for stock.

Andrew12
05-16-2008, 01:57 AM
kool build looks decent but needs panelsto clean it up that brace is way to close to the distro lets sya u brake realy had brace falls off hits distro block ur unconsions and that starts fire . good luck

Did anyone else try to read this?

ST33M
05-16-2008, 02:00 AM
I did and actually understood what he was saying.

I thought about panels, but for now it stays the way it is till it is tested more, and redesigned a little.

ST33M
05-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Amps clamped imp rise to 1.9 from the strapped .5 isn't to bad. Full charge and burp off 14.1 I got over 2600 out of the strapped pair. Little more then there rated 1200 each at 1 ohm. Couldn't be happier about that. Didn't meter off the first clamp tho.

Did a 135.8 with a clamped 500 watts and 143 and change with a clamped little over 2000 watts. Not sure what the prob was, beside maybe the weather. Going to redesign maybe. Wife will decide if she wants it changed or not, since it is her vehicle now.

audioarsonal
05-18-2008, 10:52 AM
You need to get that power wire distro away from that bracket!They are pretty close and that soft aluminum can bend just enough to arch and caue a fire.

Cmccloud
05-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Build looks sweet. I would be more then happy to have a set up like this.

ST33M
05-18-2008, 11:12 AM
The bracket is far enough away and it is 1/4" steel and not aluminum. Just paint with a can of what was layin around at my friends place. Again, it is far enough away, just can't tell from the pics.

Thanks Cmc. I am happy about the way it sounds, just not as loud as it should be. Higher tuneing for comps and i think it could be louder, but don't like makeing just burp boxes anymore. Well for this build anyways.

We will see what the next build does. car,amp and wire is in the works. Just need subs,batts,headunit and be set. may throw the max-link in this build as well, but will see when that time comes.

audioarsonal
05-18-2008, 11:22 AM
You should still move it...at least up or down.I mean it is just screwed into the plastic.
As for higher tuning, it may be higher on the mic but not to the ear.Especially if you listen to rap.

ST33M
05-18-2008, 11:28 AM
No worries on the distro block, it is fine really. prop end up getting a reducer and running straight 1/0 to the amps anyways.

Yeah higher tuneing will get the mic, but don't care to listen to it daily that way. And not a fan of haveing interchangeable ports. take out, put in,take out, put in. To much to do when I am just in it for fun really.

the tuneing now is high enough, but still plays the lows well. listen to more rock and alternative style music then anything. Classical is in ther, and plays that fine.

02parkave
05-18-2008, 11:40 AM
good **** bruh minivans wit slap hella go

not well versed in the English language, i see.

audioarsonal
05-18-2008, 12:13 PM
Whats it peaking at now?

ST33M
05-18-2008, 01:18 PM
according to there t/l.. peaking in car at 57hz, which is off from what I figured. I did the 42 at 51hz, which is were it should be, thinking he meant to tell me 51 and not 57.

ST33M
06-01-2008, 09:05 PM
Ended up with 1-15 and a smaller box. This is mainly for spl, but sounds ok with normal music.

Let the flames go with what you think it did. 1-L5 15 on 2-dbdrive 1200.1's strapped. Sub is wired to 1ohm to the strapped pair.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/van/DSCF1568.jpg

DBDesignsElite
06-01-2008, 09:08 PM
147.3 at 51??

DDeitz
06-01-2008, 09:10 PM
so did you figure out how to stop your windows from opening? i found a solution!! just wall the van off!!! (okay so its not the most practical but it works)

DBDesignsElite
06-01-2008, 09:11 PM
so did you figure out how to stop your windows from opening? i found a solution!! just wall the van off!!! (okay so its not the most practical but it works)


lol yea. Im haveing the same problem with mine as well.

St man what did you hit??

twisztdauthorit
06-01-2008, 09:15 PM
No worries on the distro block, it is fine really. prop end up getting a reducer and running straight 1/0 to the amps anyways.

Yeah higher tuneing will get the mic, but don't care to listen to it daily that way. And not a fan of haveing interchangeable ports. take out, put in,take out, put in. To much to do when I am just in it for fun really.

the tuneing now is high enough, but still plays the lows well. listen to more rock and alternative style music then anything. Classical is in ther, and plays that fine.

isnt that less work then building another box and replacing everything?

nice equipment but **** that van is dirty man, clean it up!

ST33M
06-01-2008, 10:36 PM
I found that if you hold the rear windows, you lose on the mic. Interesting, but true.

I didn't build a new box actually, this is the old box only cut in half and downsized. So no money was involved in the making.

Van is dirty yes, but when you have a 5yr old at times, a 2yr old all the time and a 6month old. It gets a little dirty. Not to mention the wife. LOL

Ok the van did a 145 and change on the dash and 147 and change in the kick with this setup. Kick was with window open only, driver door open didn't change the reading.

DBDesignsElite
06-01-2008, 10:45 PM
Yep sounds about right. I found that cracking the driverside window about 6 to 8 inches yeilds the most gain at the dash and the kick. Thats only with a single 15 or smaller in that off axis setup. Once you go up bigger on cone area. It changes if you open the driver side door.

I have broken both back window actuators about 5 times. Now i have them Bolted closed.
Not to mention the front seal on the windshield had to be replaced.

1 more thing you may want to try.

Take that box and turn it so that the vent is about 7 inches away from the passenger side wall in the back. There is a Rear Blower in that van so that corner is flat. Seal off the opening there and run it again.


Where are the videos??

ST33M
06-01-2008, 11:01 PM
I tried the sie method in the van, actually lost on the mic.

Both my actuators are still good, thankfully. What are you doing on the meter to break them ? One thing I worry about on those **** windows.

Only thing on my front window that is growing, is the crack that was there when I bought it. may replace it, but not sure how that would effect the mic. May do it soon tho, since the crack is over halfway to the other side of the van now.

ST33M
06-01-2008, 11:02 PM
Oh. Vid's will be up after this weekend, or more pics of the comp. Have to see how my camera takes movies during the daytime. Night time it *****, even with light.

DBDesignsElite
06-01-2008, 11:10 PM
I tried the sie method in the van, actually lost on the mic.

Both my actuators are still good, thankfully. What are you doing on the meter to break them ? One thing I worry about on those **** windows.

Only thing on my front window that is growing, is the crack that was there when I bought it. may replace it, but not sure how that would effect the mic. May do it soon tho, since the crack is over halfway to the other side of the van now.


It was 152.2 on 4 AQ C3 10's @ 41 Cycles Sealed at the Dash.

I got more out of that setup before i pulled it out and switched.

The Btl's are a different story. I dont think anything in this vehicle will last to much longer.

One thing is your going to need to watch the doors as well. They have a few welds that connect the top part of the piller to the bottom part. They are broke now. They are located on the inside next to the lock.

ST33M
06-01-2008, 11:19 PM
K. I will keep an eye on those as well. Mines doing the numbers at 51hz.

ST33M
06-07-2008, 09:53 PM
Went to a comp today. With the single box and meter on dash and driver window open. Did a 143.8 first run, then fun run did a 145.1. Also did a legal record run. 144.7 with a 144.6 to back it up.

Amps clamped anywhere from 1600 to over 1700 each run.

ST33M
08-31-2008, 11:11 PM
My bro and I built a new box for the van. Moved the amps and battery around. Will have subs on the 13th at the comp on that day. Will see how it does then.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/DSCF2000.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/DSCF2001.jpg
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http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/DSCF2007.jpg

ST33M
08-31-2008, 11:12 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/DSCF2011.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/DSCF2013.jpg
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http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/DarknessSky/Built%20Boxes/DSCF2019.jpg

ST33M
08-31-2008, 11:13 PM
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