Alpine, 2V Pre-Outs....why? Oh why?

[Trepkos]

Does this really make a difference? Why does Alpine limit the normal 4v pre-outs to their higher-end(400+ USD) models?

I was actually considering getting one due to all of the praise that the brand of head units has...

[arsonbob]

why? so that you'll buy the more expensive ones.

[Trepkos]

why? so that you'll buy the more expensive ones.

Why would I do that when I can buy another proper HU with 4v pre-outs...like Jensen or Dual.

[benchambers80]

you think jensen puts out 4 volts. rofl

[tv559]

you think jensen puts out 4 volts. rofl

What are you trying to say?, Jensen isnt as good as Alpine :D

[benchambers80]

What are you trying to say?, Jensen isnt as good as Alpine :D

Of course not.

[blkbeater]

pioneer ftmfw

[CRXBMPN]

Pioneer blown pre outs ftmfl

:furious::(

[RAM_Designs]

pioneer ftmfw

no, Eclipse FTMFW. :D

[jmanpc]

Alpine is trying to keep the price down on the lower end models so they'll sell well at Best Buy. In order to do that, they're 86ing the features that the average consumer won't notice, i.e. 4v preouts and such.

[squeak9798]

Not that big of a deal.

2V is more than ample to drive pretty much any amp on the market to full power output.

:confused:

[benchambers80]

no, Eclipse FTMFW. :D

Eclispe ftl, cd mech defect ftmfl

[Trepkos]

Well, you can't really expect all companies to produce quality head units like Jensen and Dual.

[benchambers80]

Well, you can't really expect all companies to produce quality head units like Jensen and Dual.

yea what he said, not

[blkbeater]

no, Eclipse FTMFW. :D

true that, 8v outs ftw

[jmanpc]

Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

[benchambers80]

true that, 8v outs ftw

alot of stuff has a 5v input max

[blkbeater]

Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

my ground is fine

[RAM_Designs]

Eclipse FTL- CD problems


???

I've only used Eclipse HU's, and have had no "CD problems"...what are you referring to exactly?

[Trepkos]

Everyone, Go fusion.

Link dat ho (http://www.fusioncaraudio.com/products.php?region=&action=view&product_id=394)

[benchambers80]

???

I've only used Eclipse HU's, and have had no "CD problems"...what are you referring to exactly?

The cd players quit and swallow up the cds. I had to send mine in for repair and heard about it happening to mostly all their units.

[dman4486]

yes a pioneer may have a grounding problem, but it is due to installer error!! if you do not ground the chassis the pico will blow....if you are not careful when removing rca's you will pop the pico

I agree with jman....all have their issues

[dannyz122001]

Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

i like the look of my clarion....

[dman4486]

i like the look of my clarion....

pic or fail

[dannyz122001]

2 minutes.... gonna go take one

[J31Rob]

Not that big of a deal.

2V is more than ample to drive pretty much any amp on the market to full power output.

:confused:

people just don't understand this.

they assume high volts = HIGH ESS KYOO!!! z0MG SQ!

[benchambers80]

people just don't understand this.

they assume high volts = HIGH ESS KYOO!!! z0MG SQ!

Pics of female in your avatar or lose

[dman4486]

Pics of female in your avatar or lose

check the ladyfriend thread

[jmanpc]

I think my clarion is okay looks-wise, but it completely contrasts my dash, since it's aluminum and my dash is black plastic. The 775USB, though, looks like a turd from a robot.

[dannyz122001]

pic or fail

well its dirty as monica lewinski and the sun was kicking my ***, but here ya go.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/dannyz122001/IMG_0329.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/dannyz122001/IMG_0338.jpg

[dman4486]

not too bad....good for a clarion

[dannyz122001]

I think my clarion is okay looks-wise, but it completely contrasts my dash, since it's aluminum and my dash is black plastic. The 775USB, though, looks like a turd from a robot.

yea i agree, some do look like crap. but the new MAX685BT looks ****** IMO. i wanted to get it before i found out it only had 2V preouts. i know its not the biggest deal in the world but im not sure if i want it anymore

[dannyz122001]

not too bad....good for a clarion

and its going on 4 years old

[regal8r]

Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

nakamichi ftw

[dman4486]

nakamichi ftw

I would love to hear a full system based around one of those...have heard a lot about their sound quality

[dragnix]

I would love to hear a full system based around one of those...have heard a lot about their quality

don't think they have one that play MP3s though. And they have reliability issues also

[dman4486]

don't think they have one that play MP3s though. And they have reliability issues also

previous post edited

[dragnix]

previous post edited

doesn't matter, i'm just stating the fact that their HU too has problems

[dman4486]

doesn't matter, i'm just stating the fact that their HU too has problems

I know.....but i heard of their sound quality and know nothing about their build quality

[dragnix]

I know.....but i heard of their sound quality and know nothing about their build quality

i'd wanna **** around with a Denon

[dannyz122001]

in all honesty, how much of a difference would it be having a HU with 2V pre's compared to a HU with 4+ preouts?

[dragnix]

in all honesty, how much of a difference would it be having a HU with 2V pre's compared to a HU with 4+ preouts?

only difference would be the gain on your amp would be up higher. But that's about it

[dannyz122001]

so by setting the gains higher to compensate for the difference, the 2V will have the same SQ as a 4V?

[squeak9798]

so by setting the gains higher to compensate for the difference, the 2V will have the same SQ as a 4V?

Yes.

The voltage has nothing to do with SQ.

[squeak9798]

i'd wanna **** around with a Denon

I loved my Denon built RFX-8240

Should have never sold the damned thing :bawling:

[dragnix]

I loved my Denon built RFX-8240

Should have never sold the damned thing :bawling:

I see some denon unit floating around on ebay. Looks so clean :drool:


the Japanese has all the good **** :crap:

[Reson8]

Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

Nakamichi? :confused:

Edit: NM, already mentioned....

[dragnix]

Nakamichi? :confused:

Edit: NM, already mentioned....

Denon, I mentioned it, and just want to re-state it

[jluv]

Not a big deal at all. Some people pick silly stuff to care about.

[iamamp3pimp]

i hada denon HU about 10 years ago before i knew about anything....someone broke it trying to jack me.......so i "upgraded" to a sony

[squeak9798]

i hada denon HU about 10 years ago before i knew about anything....someone broke it trying to jack me.......so i "upgraded" to a sony

Hey, 10 years ago Sony was highly respected equipment.

[Alpineforever]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c176/badlandsclan/_Gallbladder_/P4130455.jpg

The best thing about my nakamichi is that it looks stock to the untrained Thief... nah... the best thing would be the SQ, right now it makes my stock speakers sound like god... can't wait to get the PG's on my SAX 100.4 with the deadener, can't even imagine the difference it makes.

Plus the illumination choices match my gage cluster... can't beat green and amber... lol I will admit it looks pretty ugly, but it beats out those annoying BB headunits with like the ****ing dolphins jumping around everywhere

[RAM_Designs]

The cd players quit and swallow up the cds. I had to send mine in for repair and heard about it happening to mostly all their units.

Weird, is this mainly on the newer unit? I've used a 8443 and a couple of 8053's with no issues at all.

[RAM_Designs]

Not a big deal at all. Some people pick silly stuff to care about.

I run a 8V deck because it comes with the features I need as well. The fact that it has 8V pre-outs is just a bonus...high end decks in general have better features and better components than their low-end counterparts, so you're buying a lot more than voltage.

[Trepkos]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c176/badlandsclan/_Gallbladder_/P4130455.jpg

The best thing about my nakamichi is that it looks stock to the untrained Thief... nah... the best thing would be the SQ, right now it makes my stock speakers sound like god... can't wait to get the PG's on my SAX 100.4 with the deadener, can't even imagine the difference it makes.

Plus the illumination choices match my gage cluster... can't beat green and amber... lol I will admit it looks pretty ugly, but it beats out those annoying BB headunits with like the ****ing dolphins jumping around everywhere

Are you insulting the blue and red dolphins of my wonderful Kenwood Excelon x791?

[inapontiac]

Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

New JVC's have somewhat impressed me.