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Trepkos
05-08-2008, 02:51 PM
Does this really make a difference? Why does Alpine limit the normal 4v pre-outs to their higher-end(400+ USD) models?

I was actually considering getting one due to all of the praise that the brand of head units has...

arsonbob
05-08-2008, 02:52 PM
why? so that you'll buy the more expensive ones.

Trepkos
05-08-2008, 02:54 PM
why? so that you'll buy the more expensive ones.

Why would I do that when I can buy another proper HU with 4v pre-outs...like Jensen or Dual.

benchambers80
05-08-2008, 02:56 PM
you think jensen puts out 4 volts. rofl

tv559
05-08-2008, 02:59 PM
you think jensen puts out 4 volts. rofl

What are you trying to say?, Jensen isnt as good as Alpine :D

benchambers80
05-08-2008, 02:59 PM
What are you trying to say?, Jensen isnt as good as Alpine :D

Of course not.

blkbeater
05-08-2008, 03:02 PM
pioneer ftmfw

CRXBMPN
05-08-2008, 03:03 PM
Pioneer blown pre outs ftmfl

:furious::(

RAM_Designs
05-08-2008, 03:06 PM
pioneer ftmfw

no, Eclipse FTMFW. :D

jmanpc
05-08-2008, 03:06 PM
Alpine is trying to keep the price down on the lower end models so they'll sell well at Best Buy. In order to do that, they're 86ing the features that the average consumer won't notice, i.e. 4v preouts and such.

squeak9798
05-08-2008, 03:07 PM
Not that big of a deal.

2V is more than ample to drive pretty much any amp on the market to full power output.

:confused:

benchambers80
05-08-2008, 03:07 PM
no, Eclipse FTMFW. :D

Eclispe ftl, cd mech defect ftmfl

Trepkos
05-08-2008, 03:08 PM
Well, you can't really expect all companies to produce quality head units like Jensen and Dual.

benchambers80
05-08-2008, 03:09 PM
Well, you can't really expect all companies to produce quality head units like Jensen and Dual.

yea what he said, not

blkbeater
05-08-2008, 03:09 PM
no, Eclipse FTMFW. :D

true that, 8v outs ftw

jmanpc
05-08-2008, 03:10 PM
Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

benchambers80
05-08-2008, 03:10 PM
true that, 8v outs ftw

alot of stuff has a 5v input max

blkbeater
05-08-2008, 03:11 PM
Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

my ground is fine

RAM_Designs
05-08-2008, 03:17 PM
Eclipse FTL- CD problems


???

I've only used Eclipse HU's, and have had no "CD problems"...what are you referring to exactly?

Trepkos
05-08-2008, 03:18 PM
Everyone, Go fusion.

Link dat ho (http://www.fusioncaraudio.com/products.php?region=&action=view&product_id=394)

benchambers80
05-08-2008, 03:21 PM
???

I've only used Eclipse HU's, and have had no "CD problems"...what are you referring to exactly?

The cd players quit and swallow up the cds. I had to send mine in for repair and heard about it happening to mostly all their units.

dman4486
05-08-2008, 03:27 PM
yes a pioneer may have a grounding problem, but it is due to installer error!! if you do not ground the chassis the pico will blow....if you are not careful when removing rca's you will pop the pico

I agree with jman....all have their issues

dannyz122001
05-08-2008, 03:30 PM
Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

i like the look of my clarion....

dman4486
05-08-2008, 03:31 PM
i like the look of my clarion....

pic or fail

dannyz122001
05-08-2008, 03:32 PM
2 minutes.... gonna go take one

J31Rob
05-08-2008, 03:33 PM
Not that big of a deal.

2V is more than ample to drive pretty much any amp on the market to full power output.

:confused:

people just don't understand this.

they assume high volts = HIGH ESS KYOO!!! z0MG SQ!

benchambers80
05-08-2008, 03:36 PM
people just don't understand this.

they assume high volts = HIGH ESS KYOO!!! z0MG SQ!

Pics of female in your avatar or lose

dman4486
05-08-2008, 03:37 PM
Pics of female in your avatar or lose

check the ladyfriend thread

jmanpc
05-08-2008, 03:41 PM
I think my clarion is okay looks-wise, but it completely contrasts my dash, since it's aluminum and my dash is black plastic. The 775USB, though, looks like a turd from a robot.

dannyz122001
05-08-2008, 03:51 PM
pic or fail

well its dirty as monica lewinski and the sun was kicking my ***, but here ya go.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/dannyz122001/IMG_0329.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/dannyz122001/IMG_0338.jpg

dman4486
05-08-2008, 03:53 PM
not too bad....good for a clarion

dannyz122001
05-08-2008, 03:53 PM
I think my clarion is okay looks-wise, but it completely contrasts my dash, since it's aluminum and my dash is black plastic. The 775USB, though, looks like a turd from a robot.

yea i agree, some do look like crap. but the new MAX685BT looks ****** IMO. i wanted to get it before i found out it only had 2V preouts. i know its not the biggest deal in the world but im not sure if i want it anymore

dannyz122001
05-08-2008, 03:53 PM
not too bad....good for a clarion

and its going on 4 years old

regal8r
05-08-2008, 04:01 PM
Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

nakamichi ftw

dman4486
05-08-2008, 04:18 PM
nakamichi ftw

I would love to hear a full system based around one of those...have heard a lot about their sound quality

dragnix
05-08-2008, 04:20 PM
I would love to hear a full system based around one of those...have heard a lot about their quality

don't think they have one that play MP3s though. And they have reliability issues also

dman4486
05-08-2008, 04:21 PM
don't think they have one that play MP3s though. And they have reliability issues also

previous post edited

dragnix
05-08-2008, 04:23 PM
previous post edited

doesn't matter, i'm just stating the fact that their HU too has problems

dman4486
05-08-2008, 04:23 PM
doesn't matter, i'm just stating the fact that their HU too has problems

I know.....but i heard of their sound quality and know nothing about their build quality

dragnix
05-08-2008, 04:24 PM
I know.....but i heard of their sound quality and know nothing about their build quality

i'd wanna **** around with a Denon

dannyz122001
05-08-2008, 04:35 PM
in all honesty, how much of a difference would it be having a HU with 2V pre's compared to a HU with 4+ preouts?

dragnix
05-08-2008, 04:36 PM
in all honesty, how much of a difference would it be having a HU with 2V pre's compared to a HU with 4+ preouts?

only difference would be the gain on your amp would be up higher. But that's about it

dannyz122001
05-08-2008, 04:38 PM
so by setting the gains higher to compensate for the difference, the 2V will have the same SQ as a 4V?

squeak9798
05-08-2008, 05:01 PM
so by setting the gains higher to compensate for the difference, the 2V will have the same SQ as a 4V?

Yes.

The voltage has nothing to do with SQ.

squeak9798
05-08-2008, 05:02 PM
i'd wanna **** around with a Denon

I loved my Denon built RFX-8240

Should have never sold the damned thing :bawling:

dragnix
05-08-2008, 05:04 PM
I loved my Denon built RFX-8240

Should have never sold the damned thing :bawling:

I see some denon unit floating around on ebay. Looks so clean :drool:


the Japanese has all the good **** :crap:

Reson8
05-08-2008, 05:32 PM
Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

Nakamichi? :confused:

Edit: NM, already mentioned....

dragnix
05-08-2008, 05:45 PM
Nakamichi? :confused:

Edit: NM, already mentioned....

Denon, I mentioned it, and just want to re-state it

jluv
05-08-2008, 06:09 PM
Not a big deal at all. Some people pick silly stuff to care about.

iamamp3pimp
05-08-2008, 06:55 PM
i hada denon HU about 10 years ago before i knew about anything....someone broke it trying to jack me.......so i "upgraded" to a sony

squeak9798
05-08-2008, 07:40 PM
i hada denon HU about 10 years ago before i knew about anything....someone broke it trying to jack me.......so i "upgraded" to a sony

Hey, 10 years ago Sony was highly respected equipment.

Alpineforever
05-08-2008, 09:36 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c176/badlandsclan/_Gallbladder_/P4130455.jpg

The best thing about my nakamichi is that it looks stock to the untrained Thief... nah... the best thing would be the SQ, right now it makes my stock speakers sound like god... can't wait to get the PG's on my SAX 100.4 with the deadener, can't even imagine the difference it makes.

Plus the illumination choices match my gage cluster... can't beat green and amber... lol I will admit it looks pretty ugly, but it beats out those annoying BB headunits with like the ****ing dolphins jumping around everywhere

RAM_Designs
05-08-2008, 09:40 PM
The cd players quit and swallow up the cds. I had to send mine in for repair and heard about it happening to mostly all their units.

Weird, is this mainly on the newer unit? I've used a 8443 and a couple of 8053's with no issues at all.

RAM_Designs
05-08-2008, 09:44 PM
Not a big deal at all. Some people pick silly stuff to care about.

I run a 8V deck because it comes with the features I need as well. The fact that it has 8V pre-outs is just a bonus...high end decks in general have better features and better components than their low-end counterparts, so you're buying a lot more than voltage.

Trepkos
05-08-2008, 10:59 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c176/badlandsclan/_Gallbladder_/P4130455.jpg

The best thing about my nakamichi is that it looks stock to the untrained Thief... nah... the best thing would be the SQ, right now it makes my stock speakers sound like god... can't wait to get the PG's on my SAX 100.4 with the deadener, can't even imagine the difference it makes.

Plus the illumination choices match my gage cluster... can't beat green and amber... lol I will admit it looks pretty ugly, but it beats out those annoying BB headunits with like the ****ing dolphins jumping around everywhere

Are you insulting the blue and red dolphins of my wonderful Kenwood Excelon x791?

inapontiac
05-08-2008, 11:02 PM
Pioneer FTL- their head units have that nasty ground problem.
Eclipse FTL- CD problems
Alpine FTL - Units gone to crap
Kenwood FTL - History of being unreliable.
Clarion FTL - Their head units are ugly as sin.


Pick your poison.

New JVC's have somewhat impressed me.