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tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 06:37 PM
well guys its time for me to step up my game. im going to Run 12 12" Kicker CVR's in an Ported wall im thinking and Vertical Clamshell behing the b-pillar in my Tahoe! im going for something that will do hairtricks!

starting the build this friday!!!!!




So what do u guys think? think it will pull some GOOOD hairtricks? i have around 5kwrms and going to get another mm4000.1 soon


P.S. tunning will be 26-30hz not really concerned about numbers i just want something to move gooood air, but i wouldnt mind being able to play music in the 50s either!:D


ANYONE who knows about bandpasses please hit me up with some info i need help as far as box sixe and ported chamber box size!

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 06:43 PM
should have pics this friday.

prodgod
05-07-2008, 06:44 PM
That will definately do hair tricks. Sounds like it'll be a fun build.

DB_DRAG_SPL
05-07-2008, 06:45 PM
I'd tune a *** hair higher. 32hz range but that's just personal preference.

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 06:48 PM
That will definately do hair tricks. Sounds like it'll be a fun build.

thanks that what i wanted to hear just wanted some second opinions on the subs rather. yea it should be an fun build i cant wait !

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 06:49 PM
I'd tune a *** hair higher. 32hz range but that's just personal preference.

i would tune higher but after hearing my 18s tuned@ 26hz and the higher notes still kick *** i think im def going to port to the same Freq with this much more cone area!

profundus-sanus
05-07-2008, 06:53 PM
i would tune higher but after hearing my 18s tuned@ 26hz and the higher notes still kick *** i think im def going to port to the same Freq with this much more cone area!

w/ how much your decreasing your cabin area.. you don't need to tune to 26hz unless your going to be throwing down in the 19hz range. If your playing it the mid 20's constantly then i could understand it, but otherwise your hurting your output for no reason.

btdickey99
05-07-2008, 06:54 PM
subscribed....when do you pan on having it finished by?

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 06:56 PM
w/ how much your decreasing your cabin area.. you don't need to tune to 26hz unless your going to be throwing down in the 19hz range. If your playing it the mid 20's constantly then i could understand it, but otherwise your hurting your output for no reason.

why in the hell i couldnt see all ur words but i can see them all after i quoted u? wierd, but yea i want this thing to play crazy low like i was saying i want it to move some serious air, so u guys think i should seriously change the tuning?

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 06:56 PM
subscribed....when do you pan on having it finished by?


thanks honestly i have no idea its going to be work in progress but i will take pics of the progress every friday to keep everyone informed!

MTXman
05-07-2008, 06:57 PM
Yes, 30 at the lowest.


Go 31-32, you won't be dissapointed.

15nissen
05-07-2008, 06:57 PM
why in the hell i couldnt see all ur words but i can see them all after i quoted u? wierd, but yea i want this thing to play crazy low like i was saying i want it to move some serious air, so u guys think i should seriously change the tuning?

you should be able to do hair tricks and some with your current set up. How about a new box w/ aero ports? save some money

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 06:59 PM
you should be able to do hair tricks and some with your current set up. How about a new box w/ aero ports? save some money

i actually can, but i want to run 12 12's now thats all, want something more impressive and actually the price i paid for these 2 18s the 12 12's is just abit more.

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 07:01 PM
you should be able to do hair tricks and some with your current set up. How about a new box w/ aero ports? save some money

theres no replacement for displacement. i think id rather have tons of cone area anyday.

blackbonnie
05-07-2008, 07:02 PM
subscribed

profundus-sanus
05-07-2008, 07:05 PM
why in the hell i couldnt see all ur words but i can see them all after i quoted u? wierd, but yea i want this thing to play crazy low like i was saying i want it to move some serious air, so u guys think i should seriously change the tuning?

ninja edit..

even tuned to 30hz you'll be able to get into the mid 20's easy, and still pull hair tricks.
Plus most of us have seen some installs that should be well into the 50's struggling to even break the 50 mark.

although i admit.. a 20hz hairtrick from a 26hz tuned wall would be pretty **** interesting.

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 07:07 PM
ninja edit..

even tuned to 30hz you'll be able to get into the mid 20's easy, and still pull hair tricks.
Plus most of us have seen some installs that should be well into the 50's struggling to even break the 50 mark.

although i admit.. a 20hz hairtrick from a 26hz tuned wall would be pretty **** interesting.

good point im actually thinking of tuning ti higher now

tez4life
05-07-2008, 07:26 PM
This looks promising, im staying tuned...

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 07:41 PM
thanks guys! cant wait to start

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 08:58 PM
so guys what u think 30hz or 33hz?

profundus-sanus
05-07-2008, 08:59 PM
so guys what u think 30hz or 33hz?

i would base that off what you listen too, and how much cubic footage you have.

pd8731
05-07-2008, 09:04 PM
At first I read this and thought it said 2 12"s in a clamshell. I was about to post that you should GTFO of the intranet. Lol, should be a great build. I would tune to 32. I tuned my 18" SSDs to 33 hz. I couldn't hear 24 hz very well, but it hurt my ears. ;)

kovemaster559
05-07-2008, 09:04 PM
i say 30-31 because i bet hell be using alot of low bass rap to do hair tricks

kovemaster559
05-07-2008, 09:06 PM
i wanna see it already too its ganna be like gmonks friend that has all those cvrs in the truck

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 09:32 PM
i would base that off what you listen too, and how much cubic footage you have.

mostly chopped and screwed songs/rap/bass mekanik!

and cubic feet oh man i have noooooooo idea how much space right now i have an 23+cube box in the back of my tahoe and still have room for my amp and batts. so an wall behind the b-pillar man **** lol 40+ cubes!

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 09:33 PM
i say 30-31 because i bet hell be using alot of low bass rap to do hair tricks

exactly!!!!:D

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 09:35 PM
i wanna see it already too its ganna be like gmonks friend that has all those cvrs in the truck

yea ur talking about lil jon. hell he is totally on an NEWWWWWWw level now he has 18 15"s now

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 09:36 PM
At first I read this and thought it said 2 12"s in a clamshell. I was about to post that you should GTFO of the intranet. Lol, should be a great build. I would tune to 32. I tuned my 18" SSDs to 33 hz. I couldn't hear 24 hz very well, but it hurt my ears. ;)

lol cool. well mark potts had 2 12's in an wall sort of like an clamshell, nobody was laughing when he posted those numbers he did, so why should i get off the net if i did say 2 12"s lol?:D:laugh:

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 09:47 PM
so im going to do 30hz

inapontiac
05-07-2008, 09:50 PM
Don't talk about it. Be about it.

moh.vze.com
05-07-2008, 09:52 PM
Is this legal?

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 09:55 PM
Don't talk about it. Be about it.

dont worry buddy all of it will be in tha tahoe before u know it!

tooloud4tv
05-07-2008, 09:55 PM
Is this legal?

is what legal?

kurrupt
05-07-2008, 09:56 PM
is what legal?

i was just thinking the same thing

ContourSPL
05-08-2008, 12:53 PM
If you want hair tricks, do a bandpass wall. A 4th order with a huge front chamber would stomp a bass reflex wall. Or a 3 chambered 6th order BP.

tooloud4tv
05-08-2008, 06:09 PM
If you want hair tricks, do a bandpass wall. A 4th order with a huge front chamber would stomp a bass reflex wall. Or a 3 chambered 6th order BP.

to complex id rather just do an clamshell much more easier and muchhhhhhh more forgiving. id rather get it right the first time, ive never did an bandpass

Adrian15XXX
05-08-2008, 06:18 PM
goodluck with the build. for sure cant wait to see pics =D

tooloud4tv
05-08-2008, 06:20 PM
If you want hair tricks, do a bandpass wall. A 4th order with a huge front chamber would stomp a bass reflex wall. Or a 3 chambered 6th order BP.

sounds intersting tho! anyone who can help with an 4th order bandpass?

tooloud4tv
05-08-2008, 06:21 PM
goodluck with the build. for sure cant wait to see pics =D

thanks man i cant either will keep u guys posted with pics!

pd8731
05-08-2008, 06:28 PM
lol cool. well mark potts had 2 12's in an wall sort of like an clamshell, nobody was laughing when he posted those numbers he did, so why should i get off the net if i did say 2 12"s lol?:D:laugh:

If you do 2 12"s in a wall, in a Tahoe, you should kill yourself.

Mark Potts can go ahead and kill himself too.

Gud luck on the bildd. ;)

tooloud4tv
05-08-2008, 06:29 PM
:laugh:
If you do 2 12"s in a wall, in a Tahoe, you should kill yourself.

Mark Potts can go ahead and kill himself too.

Gud luck on the bildd. ;)

ContourSPL
05-08-2008, 11:39 PM
It depends on the power you are using but maybe 1-1.5 cubes per sub sealed, then make the front chamber as big as possible. Change the tuning of the front chamber by adding port area to the wall, not depth. Keep adding to the port wall to where you like how it sounds. It might be hard to have an even loading wall for all 12 subs so just add port to both sides of the wall to where you like. It will be more efficient than a ported wall and it'll play upper teens and the lower 20 hz a lot better, if that's still what you're after.

tooloud4tv
05-09-2008, 05:19 PM
It depends on the power you are using but maybe 1-1.5 cubes per sub sealed, then make the front chamber as big as possible. Change the tuning of the front chamber by adding port area to the wall, not depth. Keep adding to the port wall to where you like how it sounds. It might be hard to have an even loading wall for all 12 subs so just add port to both sides of the wall to where you like. It will be more efficient than a ported wall and it'll play upper teens and the lower 20 hz a lot better, if that's still what you're after.

i think im going to stick with the ported clamshell unless u can chime in and help from time to time.

tooloud4tv
05-09-2008, 05:20 PM
It depends on the power you are using but maybe 1-1.5 cubes per sub sealed, then make the front chamber as big as possible. Change the tuning of the front chamber by adding port area to the wall, not depth. Keep adding to the port wall to where you like how it sounds. It might be hard to have an even loading wall for all 12 subs so just add port to both sides of the wall to where you like. It will be more efficient than a ported wall and it'll play upper teens and the lower 20 hz a lot better, if that's still what you're after.

and with 4th order bandpasses if the ported chamber is on the small side, it would be less efficent right? if thats the case if i wanted to move all my equipment into an car sort of like what frankie has in his lexus then an bandpass wouldnt fit at all! i think i like the simple ported idea an lot better!

80INCHES
05-09-2008, 05:43 PM
mostly chopped and screwed songs/rap/bass mekanik!

and cubic feet oh man i have noooooooo idea how much space right now i have an 23+cube box in the back of my tahoe and still have room for my amp and batts. so an wall behind the b-pillar man **** lol 40+ cubes!
61+ cubes if u do 36h x 49w x 60 deep


so im going to do 30hz

thats going to be sick



If you want hair tricks, do a bandpass wall. A 4th order with a huge front chamber would stomp a bass reflex wall. Or a 3 chambered 6th order BP.

clamshell is actually a form of a bandpass....;)


80
side note...u can do a 4th order with a huge front chamber ( 37 cubes to be exact):eek: and the rear will be 11.5 cubes (.95 cubes sealed per sub)
i think a 400quare inch port tuned to 35hz will be enuff to pull off some hair tricks:D

BrianChia
05-09-2008, 06:19 PM
This looks promising, im staying tuned...

To how many Hz? :D

15nissen
05-09-2008, 07:59 PM
If you do 2 12"s in a wall, in a Tahoe, you should kill yourself.

Mark Potts can go ahead and kill himself too.

Gud luck on the bildd. ;)

His truck was loud, he won World Finals by 8 db. Judges climbed inside it to make sure he was legit. That truck was NO joke and could play music full tilt all day.

pd8731
05-09-2008, 08:09 PM
His truck was loud, he won World Finals by 8 db. Judges climbed inside it to make sure he was legit. That truck was NO joke and could play music full tilt all day.

Mark Potts is a scamming SOB. He charged ridiculous prices for basic boxes and doesn't deliver. I hope he kills himself.

DBDRAGGUY
05-09-2008, 08:14 PM
Nevermind hair tricks,12-12's at 30-35 hz should be able to do ***** Tricks. I would def stay above 30hz tune. 30-40hz is pefrect for moving lots of air.

tooloud4tv
05-09-2008, 08:58 PM
Nevermind hair tricks,12-12's at 30-35 hz should be able to do ***** Tricks. I would def stay above 30hz tune. 30-40hz is pefrect for moving lots of air.

lol thanks guys looks like im doing the clamshell like 80 said i think it is an form of bandpass!

ContourSPL
05-10-2008, 12:36 AM
Don't get me wrong, clamshells work great. If you have the space, BP's are waaay more efficient. I don't know why people don't use them more often in walls.

adas
05-10-2008, 12:49 AM
I say exponential ported horn the subs, especially to move a **** ton of air. I don't know if thats the right name for it, but I had my body in this truck and I've never heard anything that loud at 25-35hz playing slowed down music and straight shoveling air.:eek:
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9017/24l7sps4.jpg

Of course you wouldnt be at that level, but 2 rows of 3 subs on the top and bottom.....mmmm:veryhapp:

skadude016
05-10-2008, 01:10 AM
cant wait to see how this goes

iamamp3pimp
05-10-2008, 01:16 AM
do waht you do man.

good luck.

tooloud4tv
05-10-2008, 12:36 PM
I say exponential ported horn the subs, especially to move a **** ton of air. I don't know if thats the right name for it, but I had my body in this truck and I've never heard anything that loud at 25-35hz playing slowed down music and straight shoveling air.:eek:
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9017/24l7sps4.jpg

Of course you wouldnt be at that level, but 2 rows of 3 subs on the top and bottom.....mmmm:veryhapp:

LOL thats neil barber actually hes the reason im going with 12 12;s i got an chance to hear his truck 2 weeks ago. its been a while since i heard his truck before last week, and GOD it moved some serious air! he was playing "Shawty wanna ride with me" by young buck chopped and screwed!


i talked to neil for an good while. according to him its an regular 28cube ported box tuned 34hz. he burped and 159.1 @ 50hz that day! he has 6 powerbase 4000s running @ 16volts that blazer is AWSOME!

ContourSPL
05-10-2008, 12:40 PM
Another thing, if you're not dead set on the CVR's, the Dayton Audio DVC 12" is on sale for 99 a piece at partsexpress. More power handling, more efficient, and more xmax. I got to mess around with one for an HT setup and they are beasts and they don't need large enclosures to play low and loud as some people might assume.

tooloud4tv
05-10-2008, 12:49 PM
seems like nice subs not really feeling the 8 ohm coils tho!

ContourSPL
05-10-2008, 02:01 PM
Yeah, that's the only downfall. They don't look like much but they are awesome for the price. You could have four amps and connect 3 subs per amp for a 1.3 ohm load to each amp or 2 amps and connect 6 subs per amp for a .6 ohm load or you could do a combination of parallel and series wiring and have a final 1.3 ohm load to a large amplifier....Anywho, good luck.

tooloud4tv
05-10-2008, 02:11 PM
Yeah, that's the only downfall. They don't look like much but they are awesome for the price. You could have four amps and connect 3 subs per amp for a 1.3 ohm load to each amp or 2 amps and connect 6 subs per amp for a .6 ohm load or you could do a combination of parallel and series wiring and have a final 1.3 ohm load to a large amplifier....Anywho, good luck.

thanks man looks like im going to stick with the cvrs i think they are good subs and 12 of thm should get goofy loud!

tez4life
05-10-2008, 03:00 PM
To how many Hz? :D


Prob to around 32, that way I dont miss anything :laugh:

tooloud4tv
05-10-2008, 10:09 PM
should have my first 4 subs on the way will post pics asap