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BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 09:33 PM
Ok heres the deal, there is a guy who lives behind my parents that buys cars fixes them and flips them. He has a 1991 civic hatchback that he supposedly has $4500 invested in it.

He's been trying to sell it for a while now, he started out wanting $4500, hes gone all the way down to $2500. On top of that hes wiling to take a computer as a partial trade. So that will knock the price down 500-700 bucks or so.

He swapped a newer si engine into but its a D series( I was hoping it was a B series motor), and from what I can tell they aren't very performance friendly. The body is straight just faded paint,the interior is good other then the driver seat being torn.

So basically the question is: Is it worth the $2000 or so it will cost me?

Heres the specs I found on the engine:

D16Z6

* Found in
o 1992-1995 Honda Civic EX, EX-V and SI
o 1992-1995 Honda Civic ESi (European Market)
o 1993-1995 Honda Del Sol Si (only USDM)
o 1993-1995 Honda Del Sol ESi (European)
+ Displacement : 1590 cm³
+ Bore and Stroke : 75 mm X 90 mm
+ Compression : 9.2:1
+ Power : 125 hp (93 kW) @ 6600 rpm & 106 ft·lbf @ 5200 rpm
+ Redline : 7200 rpm
+ Fuel Cut : 7411 rpm
+ Valvetrain : SOHC VTEC
+ Fuel Control : OBD-1 MPFI
+ Head Code : P08
+ ECU Code : P28

FASTIMES
04-06-2008, 09:43 PM
I have worked on Honda/Acuras for about 9 yrs. At th eshop I worked at I have done swaps on them for about 5. Engine wise the d16z is your basic UPGRADE, given because a vtec is not available originally in this year civic (88-91). just make sure the swap was done correctly, (extra wire ran for vtec, vtec ecu, ect..)

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 09:45 PM
Is it a decent engine tho? Everybody talks about the B series, but not the d-series really. You think its worth the $2000 or so it will cost me?

ThomasG
04-06-2008, 09:47 PM
Great car for systems.

integra88
04-06-2008, 09:47 PM
Based on my experience I would say no...I purchased an '88 Acura Integra LS w/ everything working and in real good shape for only $1200. It has 4 wheel discs, a D16A1 engine, 5 spd., etc. And fairly low miles. Just my 2 cents;)

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 09:49 PM
Great car for systems.

Thata what I was thinking:cool::D

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 09:53 PM
I forgot to say also it has an aftermarket intake on it already, after market exhaust too. Not to sure what brand tho. It also has upgraded rims. they came with 13's stock this one has 15s with good tires.

dman4486
04-06-2008, 09:54 PM
I forgot to say also it has an aftermarket intake on it already, after market exhaust too. Not to sure what brand tho. It also has upgraded rims. they came with 13's stock this one has 15s with good tires.

intake and exhaust gain you very little:fyi:

edit: it is a ricer's myth

integra88
04-06-2008, 09:54 PM
Don't know your zip, so I couldn't be accurate. Take a look.
http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingReport.aspx?ManufacturerId=18&YearId=1991&VehicleClass=UsedCar&VehicleId=10822&PriceType=Private+Party&ModelId=123&Mileage=100000&SelectionHistory=10822%7c24488%7c16148%7c0%7c0%7c&Condition=Fair&QuizConditions=

Bryce
04-06-2008, 09:55 PM
I deal alot with Honda's, and currently own one.
Honestly i don't see where the 4500 is in the car, besides a 1g swap maybe.
Pictures, condition, miles, etc. are all factors. I dont know where u are located , but up here rust is a big issue.

D series motors aren't much stock, but always a good block for a turbo build if thats what your interested in.

FASTIMES
04-06-2008, 09:57 PM
Is it a decent engine tho? Everybody talks about the B series, but not the d-series really. You think its worth the $2000 or so it will cost me?

I say yes, its a strong lil single cam, yes no B series but that in itself is a couple grand upgrade.


Based on my experience I would say no...I purchased an '88 Acura Integra LS w/ everything working and in real good shape for only $1200. It has 4 wheel discs, a D16A1 engine, 5 spd., etc. And fairly low miles. Just my 2 cents;)

believe it or not, because of weight and gearing of the two cars I would put any amount of money any day of the week that if your talking performance, that lil hatchback would smoke a 88 teg,,90-93 teg thats different then your stepping up to the b series LS. Just MY 2 cents;)

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 09:57 PM
The cars in good condition al the way around, just faded paint. Not really interested in doing a turbo setup. Hoping to go N/A if anything. Mileage I honestly can't remember off hand.

dleccord
04-06-2008, 10:00 PM
ask him what he put into the car that costed him 4500?

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 10:01 PM
ask him what he put into the car that costed him 4500?

I plan on it, I honestly don't see how hes put that much into either, I just haven't had a real chance to sit down and go through all the details.

FASTIMES
04-06-2008, 10:03 PM
ask him what he put into the car that costed him 4500?
Yeah, he probably PAID $4k for it and put 500 in the wheels and tires,..lol:D

Bryce
04-06-2008, 10:03 PM
Thats probably a good idea for sure, those little hatch's are light, even with a d series and will pull. Like most Honda's, they can like poil if not maintained properly, check for oil leaks and ask how much oil he uses between change's.

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 10:05 PM
Thats probably a good idea for sure, those little hatch's are light, even with a d series and will pull. Like most Honda's, they can like poil if not maintained properly, check for oil leaks and ask how much oil he uses between change's.

I'll make sure to do that. Anything you guys suggest I'll be sure to ask him.

integra88
04-06-2008, 10:05 PM
I say yes, its a strong lil single cam, yes no B series but that in itself is a couple grand upgrade.



believe it or not, because of weight and gearing of the two cars I would put any amount of money any day of the week that if your talking performance, that lil hatchback would smoke a 88 teg,,90-93 teg thats different then your stepping up to the b series LS. Just MY 2 cents;)

All I was mentioning was price. I don't care much about performance. Does it run...YES...Does it drive great...YES...Get MY point???

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 10:06 PM
Well the kelly blue book for it in my zip is $1600, without any of the upgrades.

dman4486
04-06-2008, 10:07 PM
I'll make sure to do that. Anything you guys suggest I'll be sure to ask him.

ask him if he changed the blinker fluid....

dcole18
04-06-2008, 10:11 PM
ehh, its a decent deal... and a D series will make NASTY power down low when turbo'ed :fyi:

Bryce
04-06-2008, 10:12 PM
It all depends on what you want out of the car.
Throw a system in, and rip around with decent fuel mileage and good performance? They dont like weight(honda in general)

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 10:13 PM
ehh, its a decent deal... and a D series will make NASTY power down low when turbo'ed :fyi:

Yeah but I have 0 experience when it comes to turbo setups. I know they're costly lol

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 10:14 PM
It all depends on what you want out of the car.
Throw a system in, and rip around with decent fuel mileage and good performance? They dont like weight(honda in general)

Thats preety much what I want. Something that looks good, will take a mean system, and have pretty good performance. I'm not looking to take it to the track or anything

integra88
04-06-2008, 10:21 PM
How about a Rex then??? Should be able to find one in decent shape for that kind of $$$. Talk about a system vehicle...:wow:

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 10:24 PM
I would love a CRX but I haven't had much luck finding any here

BASS_WARRIOR
04-06-2008, 10:41 PM
ask him if he changed the blinker fluid....

np. I'll ask about the flux capacitor also

dleccord
04-07-2008, 07:56 AM
too bad that car is governed at 87mph.

dman4486
04-07-2008, 08:44 AM
np. I'll ask about the flux capacitor also

:laugh:

BASS_WARRIOR
04-07-2008, 11:33 AM
too bad that car is governed at 87mph.

governer's aren't a big deal...:cool: