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01 S 10
03-18-2008, 07:40 PM
I just installed my RSD components today and the sound was normal at first (very good imo) then after 15 minutes something went wrong. The right side sounds muffled for some reason. I checked everything i possibly could without actually changing amplifiers. all amp settings, all connections on x-over, made sure the tweeter and woofer were working individually....

I cant seem to get a clear sound out of it, i even switched channels to see if the other side would play bad and that would mean something was wrong with the amp, but the SAME side still sounded muffled...


??????

01 S 10
03-18-2008, 08:02 PM
im going to try switching x-overs tomorrow just to rule them out. can they go bad and still work but sound bad? would these be my problem? I will also run all new wires, maybe something is pinched.



:confused: :mad: :furious: :verymad:

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:05 PM
it's hard to say whats the problem is w/o being there and hearing it. sorry dude.

Bipolar
03-18-2008, 08:06 PM
Hmm thats weird, I will be watching this thread cause I'm about to order 2 sets of those puppy's and want to know if there will be any issues with them..

01 S 10
03-18-2008, 08:22 PM
Im going to try my other amplifier tomorrow just for kicks, very weird problem. Im assuming its a pinched/messed up wire somewhere... hmm..

can something go wrong with a crossover and still work/produce sound that is muffled possibly?

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:28 PM
describe the sound... muffled is kind of vague.

01 S 10
03-18-2008, 08:36 PM
they were clear and crisp like they should have been, then the right side starts sounding like a coaxial speaker that is maxing out or something (distorting some what), it plays every note, but it has way under half the quality the left side does. It is not as loud, and sounds like maybe interferrance or something. This goes for both the tweeter and the woofer. very weird. very noticable difference to the ear.

01 S 10
03-18-2008, 08:42 PM
describe the sound... muffled is kind of vague.

tcguy85, do you still have your crossovers? im assuming your not using them since you are running active...

If i find out that its the crossover, would you sell 1 or both?

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:54 PM
tcguy85, do you still have your crossovers? im assuming your not using them since you are running active...

If i find out that its the crossover, would you sell 1 or both?

they are sitting around in my room not being used. i'll sell them to ya very cheap if ya need them. i have no problem gettin rid of them. :)

Pl8er
03-18-2008, 08:57 PM
ROFL...yep and THEN I read the rest of your post :P Sorry (me = retarded right now)

Have you made sure that the terminals are not making contact with anything? Pull the speakers and play them without being mounted.

01 S 10
03-18-2008, 09:19 PM
ROFL...yep and THEN I read the rest of your post :P Sorry (me = retarded right now)

Have you made sure that the terminals are not making contact with anything? Pull the speakers and play them without being mounted.

thanks for the advice, im definetely going to pull everything out and go over it.

01 S 10
03-19-2008, 10:27 PM
well i went through everything again and tested each piece to see what the problem was, I narrowed it down to the tweeter. It plays.. but it is faint and throws the music way off which is why that whole side didnt sound right. I connected just the mids and both are identical. I connected just the tweeters... and the right side is not as loud and is kind of crackly. I am assuming the tweeter is blown/messed up? any suggestions?

edit:: also, i switched the crossovers to +2db instead of 0db after a short amount of time, maybe they needed to be broken in first before cranking them up? plus i dont think my 4-channel amp is the best, so maybe it was getting a clipped signal (but hey, it was free!). that probably didnt help the situation.

Pl8er
03-20-2008, 09:18 AM
well i went through everything again and tested each piece to see what the problem was, I narrowed it down to the tweeter. It plays.. but it is faint and throws the music way off which is why that whole side didnt sound right. I connected just the mids and both are identical. I connected just the tweeters... and the right side is not as loud and is kind of crackly. I am assuming the tweeter is blown/messed up? any suggestions?

edit:: also, i switched the crossovers to +2db instead of 0db after a short amount of time, maybe they needed to be broken in first before cranking them up? plus i dont think my 4-channel amp is the best, so maybe it was getting a clipped signal (but hey, it was free!). that probably didnt help the situation.

How much power are you sending the speakers? (this may be above but I'm only just waking up LOL). Can you bridge the 4-channel to give more power?

Make sure your gains are right, don't send a clipped signal.

01 S 10
03-20-2008, 07:54 PM
my 4 channel is bridged, giving them roughly 125rms each, and i didnt have the gains un-usually high. I did have both crossovers at +2db which might have blown the tweeter idk. the mids still work perfect.

maybe i can buy a set of tweeter and just replace those and keep the PG crossovers and mids.


or does anyone have a RSD tweeter for sale?

01 S 10
03-25-2008, 04:32 PM
Well, i dont need any more help with the RSD's. My problem was in the wiring somewhere. I re-ran all the wires and everything works perfectly. I have the mid in the door and the tweeter still in the kicks. sounds beautiful, my ears are still ringing... I switched amps also to a 2-channel kenwood thats giving them 150 on each side at 4 ohms.

problem solved = hooray!

01 S 10
03-25-2008, 06:39 PM
Well, i dont need any more help with the RSD's. My problem was in the wiring somewhere. I re-ran all the wires and everything works perfectly. I have the mid in the door and the tweeter still in the kicks. sounds beautiful, my ears are still ringing... I switched amps also to a 2-channel kenwood thats giving them 150 on each side at 4 ohms.

problem solved = hooray!

I spoke too soon... i guess the 150rms each side was too much for the tweeters, both blew. Im faxing the information to Audiosavings to get a return authorization number for a refund.

I thought they could handle that much power... maybe it was the crossover that failed. idk. :crap:

tcguy85
03-25-2008, 07:24 PM
I spoke too soon... i guess the 150rms each side was too much for the tweeters, both blew. Im faxing the information to Audiosavings to get a return authorization number for a refund.

I thought they could handle that much power... maybe it was the crossover that failed. idk. :crap:

if it wasn't a manufacturing defect or something, then you must have tried playing them extremely extremely loud and possibly still clipped them to blow them like that.

that *****

01 S 10
03-25-2008, 07:27 PM
if it wasn't a manufacturing defect or something, then you must have tried playing them extremely extremely loud and possibly still clipped them to blow them like that.

that *****

I probably sent them a clipped signal, they werent keeping up with my 1 15"... :confused:

I need to try something louder i guess... any suggestions? still want good quality, and i dont have a problem buying used if someone has something for sale. let me know.

edit::: also.. they were LOUD and CLEAR before they blew lol, i would still suggest them to people. the mids still work fine, just the tweeter is fcked!

kornsined
03-25-2008, 08:59 PM
first you should find out why they blew. how were they clipped? amp maybe?

01 S 10
03-25-2008, 09:31 PM
first you should find out why they blew. how were they clipped? amp maybe?

with the bass all the way up, I could not hear the RSDs very well (I couldnt tell you the song to be honest lol)... so it would be hard to tell if there was clipping. But, once i realized the tweeters went out, I took the RSDs all out and hooked up my old Type-S coaxials.. put them at nearly the same volume (for a few seconds) and i noticed distortion that time (with the subwoofer off).

So... the tweeters blew resulting from a clipped signal. the mids hung in there though, very powerful mids atleast :(

Im going to get another amp, and try something else. :crying:

NoobieAudio
03-25-2008, 10:13 PM
well i myself couldn't get a set of those RSdcs65's so i am getting infinity perfects 6.1. also couldn't get a hold of two rsd12" 4ohm so now im getting three rsd 10. everything is shipped so im waiting for arrival. i know my bass won't be as loud as yours and im only gonna run the comps off a autotek ss125.2 but....

i heard amazing reviews for all this stuff so i'll let you know if i get my ears to bleed or not when i get them in. you might have to wait though im sound deadening my doors before those go in and i heard it takes a bit the the mids to break in

Fast1one
03-26-2008, 01:55 AM
Maybe turn DOWN your subwoofer if your front stage can't keep up???

Who would have thunk :crap:

leastbay
03-26-2008, 02:07 PM
just installed my RSD10, waiting on the RSD6.5 components still, the guy on ebay should have them by the end of the week if anyone else is waiting

scooter-man
03-26-2008, 02:28 PM
just installed my RSD10, waiting on the RSD6.5 components still, the guy on ebay should have them by the end of the week if anyone else is waiting

Be careful with EBay on the PG RSD6.5,,

I got the run around from on LARGE EBay store . They stated they were in stock and were being shipped from one dist to another for 3 weeks. Finally I got my money back and ordered them from elsewhere.

Late!

leastbay
03-26-2008, 02:41 PM
which store, he assure me like 5 times he would have them i a few days

BobbyDD
03-26-2008, 02:48 PM
I spoke too soon... i guess the 150rms each side was too much for the tweeters, both blew. Im faxing the information to Audiosavings to get a return authorization number for a refund.

I thought they could handle that much power... maybe it was the crossover that failed. idk. :crap:

Why do you think they should give you a refund?

NoobieAudio
03-26-2008, 03:02 PM
just installed my RSD10, waiting on the RSD6.5 components still, the guy on ebay should have them by the end of the week if anyone else is waiting

check pm

brazilianguy
03-28-2008, 08:30 PM
since you want your tweeters to keep up, and they blew, why not get some super tweeters and hook them up to that xover

i would suggest either getting better tweeters, or turning down your bass

tcguy85
03-28-2008, 08:32 PM
since you want your tweeters to keep up, and they blew, why not get some super tweeters and hook them up to that xover

i would suggest either getting better tweeters, or turning down your bass

the rsd tweeters are just fine. they will get plenty loud.

if the OP likes his music loud then he will need more CLEAN power.

-shred-
03-28-2008, 08:40 PM
so a better amp?

brazilianguy
03-28-2008, 08:46 PM
the rsd tweeters are just fine. they will get plenty loud.

if the OP likes his music loud then he will need more CLEAN power.

What will clean power do if the tweeters can't keep up with the level of power, they will distort at some level, if he doesn't want to put the bass down, then he should play the other frequencies louder, those tweeters obviously won't keep up with his 15" no matter how CLEAN the power from the amp will be.

dman4486
03-28-2008, 08:49 PM
What will clean power do if the tweeters can't keep up with the level of power, they will distort at some level, if he doesn't want to put the bass down, then he should play the other frequencies louder, those tweeters obviously won't keep up with his 15" no matter how CLEAN the power from the amp will be.

if you havent heard the rsd's then don't put them down saying they won't get loud:verymad:

the op may have been feeding the tweet a clipped signal and that is why clean power makes the difference

brazilianguy
03-28-2008, 08:55 PM
if you havent heard the rsd's then don't put them down saying they won't get loud:verymad:

the op may have been feeding the tweet a clipped signal and that is why clean power makes the difference

I'm not saying they are not loud, just that they are not keeping up to his 15", any signal will clip at a certain level, unless the amp is unrated towards the speakers.

capnxtreme
03-28-2008, 09:17 PM
I'm not saying they are not loud, just that they are not keeping up to his 15", any signal will clip at a certain level, unless the amp is unrated towards the speakers.

So, what's clipping the signal?

Think about it.

tcguy85
03-28-2008, 09:24 PM
if you give them clean power they will get plenty loud and sound great doin it. must i say it again CLEAN unclipped power.

i agree it is hard to get a single set of comps to keep up at super high spl levels but the rsd tweets can get plenty loud and take plenty of power.

brazilianguy
03-28-2008, 09:39 PM
True True

Bryce
03-29-2008, 11:24 PM
I though the RSD's were meant for 2ohms?
He said he was running 4 ohms from the Kenwood amp.
How can I set my gains to not send a clipping signal?

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:29 PM
I though the RSD's were meant for 2ohms?
He said he was running 4 ohms from the Kenwood amp.
How can I set my gains to not send a clipping signal?

do not exceed true unclipped output of your amp...ie use the gain to match hu output and leave it alone, if it is not enough power, then you need a new amp! don't just turn the gain up and assume all is fine

Bryce
03-29-2008, 11:31 PM
To match HU output? I dont understand.

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:33 PM
To match HU output? I dont understand.

because it was all whoblah

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:33 PM
gain control on an amp is there such that you can set the input sensitivity of the amp....you try to match the output voltage of the hu. find the setting gains thread and read up

tcguy85
03-29-2008, 11:33 PM
just get too much power and you won't clip anything. thats my philosophy.

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:35 PM
just get too much power and you won't clip anything. thats my philosophy.

with lower gains;)

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:35 PM
just get too much power and you won't clip anything. thats my philosophy.

x2

wanna run them at 150rms. buy a 200 rms amp

tcguy85
03-29-2008, 11:36 PM
x2

wanna run them at 150rms. buy a 200 rms amp

yup or even more.:)

tcguy85
03-29-2008, 11:37 PM
with lower gains;)

i could set my gain knobs all the way up and still not clip. just wouldn't be able to turn my volume up much at all. ;)

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:39 PM
i could set my gain knobs all the way up and still not clip. just wouldn't be able to turn my volume up much at all. ;)

lol...anyone CAN do that, but not everyone knows how far they can push their *****

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:40 PM
yup or even more.:)

700w RMS @ 4-ohm x 2 FTW

tcguy85
03-29-2008, 11:40 PM
lol...anyone CAN do that, but not everyone knows how far they can push their *****

yes, of course. lol

it's not the gain knob by itself that kills speakers. you know that, just lettin the noobs know.

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:41 PM
lol...anyone CAN do that, but not everyone knows how far they can push their *****

fail for pointing out the annoying obvious

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:41 PM
yes, of course. lol

it's not the gain knob by itself that kills speakers. you know that, just lettin the noobs know.

i had to learn the hard way years ago.....

tcguy85
03-29-2008, 11:41 PM
700w RMS @ 4-ohm x 2 FTW

hahahah. thats a tad much.

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:42 PM
i had to learn the hard way years ago.....

are you still running the set up in your sig?

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:42 PM
are you still running the set up in your sig?

everything in sig is what is running

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:42 PM
hahahah. thats a tad much.

699w RMS @ 4-ohm x 2?

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:43 PM
everything in sig is what is running

*warning. thread jack taking place*

how do you like those 10's

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:44 PM
*warning. thread jack taking place*

how do you like those 10's

check out the vids in sig...rsd's are great

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:47 PM
check out the vids in sig...rsd's are great

happy to see. what kinda music do you listen too?

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:49 PM
happy to see. what kinda music do you listen too?

mostly rock(classic up to 90's), some tech, some rap, but i like to show off with the rap:D

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:51 PM
mostly rock(classic up to 90's), some tech, some rap, but i like to show off with the rap:D

i got three of those subs sitting on my table :-). gonna run them with a hifonics
bxi1606d. i am pretty sure im gonna run a sealed box though

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:52 PM
can you find a song with quick kick drum for me and record um please?

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:54 PM
i wanna see how the ported box and those sound with "drum check" by morbid angel

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:56 PM
i got three of those subs sitting on my table :-). gonna run them with a hifonics
bxi1606d. i am pretty sure im gonna run a sealed box though

>1100 watts will probably be fine for 3 in sealed, and ill have to record the drum tomorrow.....

find me a song with double bass kick and ill see about the vid when i get up:D

dman4486
03-29-2008, 11:56 PM
hah....alright

let me download and ill get the vid up tomorrow

NoobieAudio
03-29-2008, 11:59 PM
my amp runs 1600 rms. they are 500rms subs. i'll have um wired at 1.34ohms. i think it'll rock some socks off. running with my infinity perfect 6.1's

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:00 AM
my amp runs 1600 rms. they are 500rms subs. i'll have um wired at 1.34ohms. i think it'll rock some socks off. running with my infinity perfect 6.1's

if you are planning on running 3 of the rsd's you will not get the 1600 rms from that amp

and they are 350rms as stated by pg rep

edit: the rsd are 4ohm dvc so you could run them series/parallel and get 2.67...also know that mine metered at 3.6ohm idle

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:07 AM
three single 4 ohm ran in series is 1.34ohm

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:08 AM
well 300w/500w rms-peak

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:08 AM
three single 4 ohm ran in series is 1.34ohm

so you will only be running one coil on each sub?

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:11 AM
so you will only be running one coil on each sub?

yes

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:12 AM
here this'll be easier. http://rockfordfosgate.com/rftech/woofer_wizard.asp?submitted=true&woofer_qty=3&woofer_imp=1

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:13 AM
if you plan on running anywhere near 1600 rms on one vc/sub, then you are going to burn them up quick

tcguy85
03-30-2008, 12:17 AM
hah....alright

let me download and ill get the vid up tomorrow

i need to make a vid of my mirrors shaking from just my rsd mids(no sub) with some fast double bass. :D

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:18 AM
i need to make a vid of my mirrors shaking from just my rsd mids(no sub) with some fast double bass. :D

i dont know what the frequency is of a bass drum, but im gonna give it a shot...maybe my lpf wont be set too low:D

edit: i am contemplating a 6.5" fabrication in the front doors so i can get a set....

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:19 AM
if you plan on running anywhere near 1600 rms on one vc/sub, then you are going to burn them up quick

well i plan on giving 1200 rms divided to them all

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:20 AM
well i plan on giving 1200 rms divided to them all

if the sub is 300 rms, then each coil is 150, and 150*3=450...you will burn them up

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:21 AM
if the sub is 300 rms, then each coil is 150, and 150*3=450...you will burn them up

it is a single coil sub. it wouldn't be 300rms if it couldn't do 300rms.

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:22 AM
it is a single coil sub. it wouldn't be 300rms if it couldn't do 300rms.

rsd's are a dvc sub...i already did the install i know they are

edit: go to rodinaudio.com and look at them

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:24 AM
what coil do you have?

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:25 AM
what coil do you have?

my bad...i forgot they made the rsd10d and the rsd10........you will be fine

i have the rsd10d which is dual 4ohm

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:27 AM
... lol okay. well yeah the sub is 50-500w RMS 700 peak. i can give them 1500 and be fine but i will probley won't run that daily driving

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:28 AM
350rms is average rating rms.

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:28 AM
... lol okay. well yeah the sub is 50-500w RMS 700 peak. i can give them 1500 and be fine but i will probley won't run that daily driving

get some vids up after install...i downloaded "drum check" and will post vid when i wake up in the morn

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:30 AM
350rms is average rating rms.

yea...that is what phil from pg told me a while back.....I got the rsd's before they had all the information correct on the website, and in the owners manual!!

when i emailed phil about the specs, he responded that all were wrong, and sent me a pdf of the corrected theile.

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:31 AM
well it will be a bit. i am slightly torn between sealed and ported so i having been stalling to make the box. and hopefully i won't have any flex like you do. im and also sound damping almost everything

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:33 AM
well it will be a bit. i am slightly torn between sealed and ported so i having been stalling to make the box. and hopefully i won't have any flex like you do. im and also sound damping almost everything

well you can talk to them and get the right info but they never updated the site for it. told me they figure 350 is always a safe number and people should tell wether or not to give them more juice

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:33 AM
well it will be a bit. i am slightly torn between sealed and ported so i having been stalling to make the box. and hopefully i won't have any flex like you do. im and also sound damping almost everything

i need to dampen the roof of my passport, it pisses me off, but i don't have the cash for that now:crap:

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:34 AM
so far i only got my doors done. huge differnence already. waiting on some different thermal stuff for the roof them probley do a layer of acuostic foam

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:34 AM
well you can talk to them and get the right info but they never updated the site for it. told me they figure 350 is always a safe number and people should tell wether or not to give them more juice

:laugh: from what i have seen, 800rms is the most per sub

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:35 AM
so far i only got my doors done. huge differnence already. waiting on some different thermal stuff for the roof them probley do a layer of acuostic foam

i just want to get rid of the flex....it gets really annoying when i listen to alice in chains and the bass makes the roof rattle on the crossbars

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:36 AM
:laugh: from what i have seen, 800rms is the most per sub

well i don't wanna push that in a sealed box which i think ima do. i'll port later if i think i need but in a ext. cab sealed will be fine for me. any way got to go finish wiring my comps. i'll be back soon

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:36 AM
well i don't wanna push that in a sealed box which i think ima do. i'll port later if i think i need but in a ext. cab sealed will be fine for me. any way got to go finish wiring my comps. i'll be back soon

edit: few hours lol

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:40 AM
check out raamat. do like 2 layers and add a third in the middle not whole thing.

NoobieAudio
03-30-2008, 12:43 AM
anyway until i get back here is a pic. http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc179/Deadmonksauce/subs.jpg

dman4486
03-30-2008, 12:45 AM
I love the looks of them...tis why i chose them

dman4486
03-30-2008, 01:55 PM
vid is uploading now, but at this rate it will be a 2 hours before completion

dman4486
03-30-2008, 02:44 PM
for noobieaudio....the rsd's on drum check
http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/dman4486/?action=view&current=DSCN1683.flv

:fyi: the kickdrum should be more in range of your midbass's

NoobieAudio
03-31-2008, 12:11 AM
tyvm. and i know that i just wanted to make sure the subs didn't make it sloppy or anything when i did start to hit that range

kornsined
03-31-2008, 02:59 AM
Seeing the video is making me anxious to try my RSDc102. Just need a box made.

NoobieAudio
03-31-2008, 03:18 AM
yeah im gonna start making mine next monday