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bdawson72
03-10-2008, 07:23 AM
How many watts are you sending to your components.



That is all

stuckinok
03-10-2008, 07:25 AM
I had 100 on them....

bdawson72
03-10-2008, 07:26 AM
And they took it well?

tapout
03-10-2008, 07:39 AM
I had 150 per sde and they performed exceptionally well.

stuckinok
03-10-2008, 07:43 AM
And they took it well?

like a champ but as you can see there are others on here that threw 125-150 on them with no problem

bdawson72
03-10-2008, 07:44 AM
OK, i was a bit apprehensive of them when I saw the low rms rating.

But now that I see what they can handle. I'm probably going to pick up a set sometime later this week.

blackbonnie
03-10-2008, 08:13 AM
they can handle a good amount of power, alot of people put 150 to theirs

quest51210
03-10-2008, 08:34 AM
i have a PDX 2.150 for my set. my amp has been benched at 167 watts RMS.

bdawson72
03-10-2008, 09:29 AM
Thanks guys

Pl8er
03-10-2008, 09:39 AM
I'm running 135 and they love it.

bdawson72
03-10-2008, 09:45 AM
:)

ok. I'll only be using a sundown 100.2

But i think you guys have sold me on the rsd's

lilmaniac2
03-10-2008, 10:21 AM
im installing them in the fit on a 100.2 soon

ENDER_XVICM
03-10-2008, 10:28 AM
I will be installing them on a TXA 3004. It is rated at 75x4. Has anyone used this amp, how much can it output?

wu501
03-10-2008, 10:30 AM
125 watts each...comps up front...coaxials in rear

tsenfw
03-10-2008, 10:51 AM
Has anyone run them on about 100watts and then on 150watts and noticed a big difference?

I'm running rev's on about 100watts and have an extra set of rsd's I've never installed. I want to sell the rsd's but can't help but wonder if they would sound better than the rev's on 100watts. No time to install and do a compare.

tcguy85
03-10-2008, 11:05 AM
300 watts rms per side ACTIVE! 200 per mid, 100 per tweeter. :-) sounds heavenly!

tsenfw
03-10-2008, 11:07 AM
300 watts rms per side ACTIVE! 200 per mid, 100 per tweeter. :-) sounds heavenly!

shyt that's a lot. Do you think they require that much to sound good?

tcguy85
03-10-2008, 11:10 AM
shyt that's a lot. Do you think they require that much to sound good?

nah, they don't need that much. but it ensures that i won't be clipping the amp. lots of headroom. i have no idea how much of that power they are actually seeing, but they get loud as f*ck and stay crystal clear.

RoachForLife
03-11-2008, 08:45 PM
not too off topic but what is the depth of these badboys. Want to see if they will fit in my doors. Thanks

silvercookie
03-11-2008, 08:47 PM
i put 115 to mine.

tcguy85
03-11-2008, 08:56 PM
not too off topic but what is the depth of these badboys. Want to see if they will fit in my doors. Thanks

2.87"

miker
03-11-2008, 08:57 PM
90 ish.. can't realyl be sure.. it's a crappy amp. But they get loud.

bdawson72
03-13-2008, 12:20 PM
I wonder which replys were ran active and which were passive.

Mine will be passive seeing as though I don't quite have the 4 channels of amplification for an active setup quite yet.

-shred-
03-13-2008, 12:28 PM
what you guys using for amps.... im think about getting a pair of these.

tcguy85
03-13-2008, 09:28 PM
I wonder which replys were ran active and which were passive.

Mine will be passive seeing as though I don't quite have the 4 channels of amplification for an active setup quite yet.

i think i am one of two on this forum running this set active. so the rest are passive.

90accordman
03-13-2008, 09:31 PM
i think i am one of two on this forum running this set active. so the rest are passive.

nope a friends running his active off a sundown 100.4 and alpine 9887

Pimpdaddyq
03-13-2008, 09:34 PM
Im gettin mine in the mail tomorrow.. sold a set to a friend, and decided to try them myself..

gonna be putting about 150 to each side.. but we see how it goes first..

Louie68
03-13-2008, 09:40 PM
nope a friends running his active off a sundown 100.4 and alpine 9887

Yup and they Sound really good,I cant believe they can sell these for $87.00

tcguy85
03-13-2008, 09:40 PM
nope a friends running his active off a sundown 100.4 and alpine 9887

is he on this forum?

Colt9699
03-13-2008, 09:42 PM
I see everyone sending them 100-150 watts per side, but what about those sending them less than 2x rated power?

I want to buy a set but only have 50x2 to run to them, think they will still sound good in my van with sealed and deadend doors?

Louie68
03-13-2008, 09:43 PM
is he on this forum?

Yes I am.

tcguy85
03-13-2008, 09:43 PM
I see everyone sending them 100-150 watts per side, but what about those sending them less than 2x rated power?

I want to buy a set but only have 50x2 to run to them, think they will still sound good in my van with sealed and deadend doors?

yes, they will sound good but not as good or as loud as possible. they have A LOT of potential if you have the power for them.

tcguy85
03-13-2008, 09:44 PM
Yes I am.

alright. cool. :) i stand corrected. how do they sound? what are you using for crossover points and slopes? just curious...

Colt9699
03-13-2008, 09:45 PM
where can i get these for 87 shipped?
a link would be most excellent.

tcguy85
03-13-2008, 09:46 PM
where can i get these for 87 shipped?
a link would be most excellent.

ebay, the seller audio savings.

Colt9699
03-13-2008, 09:48 PM
ok i'll have a look.

Pimpdaddyq
03-13-2008, 09:49 PM
http://search.stores.ebay.com/AUDIOSAVINGS-ELECTRONICS-SUPERSTORE_phoenix_W0QQfcdZ2QQfciZ15QQfromZR10QQfs ubZ4QQi4.xZ7QQi4.yZ7QQsaselZ116576208QQselect3Zhtt pQ3aQ2fQ2fsearchQ2estoresQ2eebayQ2ecomQ2fAUDIOSAVI NGSQ2dELECTRONICSQ2dSUPERSTOREQ5fcomponentQ5fW0Q51 Q51fcdQ5A2Q51Q51fciQ5A15Q51Q51fromQ5AR10Q51Q51fsub Q5A4Q51Q51saselQ5A116576208Q51Q51sofpQ5A0QQsofpZ0

thats the store listings.. but they dont have any 6.5 sets at the moment it looks like..

Colt9699
03-13-2008, 09:53 PM
thanks i was having some trouble finding them.

Colt9699
03-13-2008, 09:55 PM
maybe i could get the 5.25 then?

LBC99
03-14-2008, 04:33 AM
I put a set in my wife's car. They are getting 50 watts RMS off an Alpine amp. I also have a set in my car getting around 80 watts RMS from a rockford amp. You can tell a major difference in the sound.

These are the best $87 I've ever spent in car audio.

LBC99
03-14-2008, 04:33 AM
double post

Jacobman
03-16-2008, 02:09 AM
I just sealed and deadened my doors today and they are pretty awesome. Giving mine 150rms.

miker
03-16-2008, 02:10 AM
yes, they will sound good but not as good or as loud as possible. they have A LOT of potential if you have the power for them.


A LOT of potential.

viperrgh2
03-16-2008, 02:10 AM
I was sending 200 to each side of mine with gains like 1/4 and it blew them, same power to pioneers revs and it takes it... its a planet audio amp rated for the 200..

Dingleberry
03-16-2008, 06:44 AM
I ran mine on an old school kenwood than a crossfire, it's like night and day. It sounded a lot better with an extra 50-60w more power to it.

01 S 10
03-16-2008, 12:15 PM
can someone tell me the outer diameter of the tweeter? Is it 2"?

thanks.
Cody

tcguy85
03-16-2008, 01:20 PM
can someone tell me the outer diameter of the tweeter? Is it 2"?

thanks.
Cody

are you asking what size hole do you need if you flush mount them? if so, yes 2 inch.

01 S 10
03-16-2008, 11:20 PM
do they have the bracketry to be flush mounted? because I have kickpanels with a 2" hole for the tweeter. that was my main question.

Thanks

tcguy85
03-16-2008, 11:22 PM
do they have the bracketry to be flush mounted? because I have kickpanels with a 2" hole for the tweeter. that was my main question.

Thanks

yes they do! if you already have a 2" hole these will be PERFECT!

here is a pic if it helps.... this is how they look flushed in the kicks... very purdy!
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/cavalier94sq/IMG_1795.jpg

miker
03-16-2008, 11:24 PM
looks nice dude!

all my stuf is down where your tweeter is.. gets kicked to ****.. (not flush mounted..)

ncpalafox
03-17-2008, 02:03 AM
do you guys know if the ebay seller audio savings relist these often? I really wanna get these for that $87 shipped deal...

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 05:33 AM
I grabbed mine just the other day and got them in today. Man do they sound great. tcguy, thank you SO MUCH for talking me into these. They are simply amazing. I mean amazing. For the money they simply cannot be beat. In fact, they sound better than any comp set I've ever owned. Only thing that even came close was the Alpine Type X's (top of the line when they first came out) my buddy had in his Prelude. And those were 4x the price. Great mid-bass, mellow sound, and looks great to boot. And all that on only 100w RMS total (50x2). Once I get a better comp amp, these sound REALLY come to life.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 09:53 AM
good to hear. and they will like a lot more power.

Pl8er
03-18-2008, 10:13 AM
good to hear. and they will like a lot more power.

They do take a great deal more power than what the stated RMS handling is. I did notice today that while listening to a bit more complex music (lateralus) that they were losing some of the qualities that I love so much. I had to turn them down.

During regular (read less complex) music, they handle the power with ease, but during some tool and also rush they have been taxed slightly.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:05 PM
They do take a great deal more power than what the stated RMS handling is. I did notice today that while listening to a bit more complex music (lateralus) that they were losing some of the qualities that I love so much. I had to turn them down.

During regular (read less complex) music, they handle the power with ease, but during some tool and also rush they have been taxed slightly.

maybe you need even more power.

how much power are you running? active or passive?

i found, at least in my case that the mid-range cleaned up A LOT when switching to active with them. i have never heard them sound taxed like you are saying. they just get way to loud.

Bipolar
03-18-2008, 08:18 PM
Gawd, these must be the bomb I think I will order mine tomorrow..do you think they will sound better then my 3 way Kicker 6X9's KS693's im running in the rear? if so I will get two sets one for the front and a set for the rear. Im running just hu power to my kickers but Im gettin a 4x150rms amp to run in the near future.

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 08:21 PM
Hey tc, just wondering what you settled on for your low end cutoff on the RSD's. I initially went with 50Hz but found that they were distorting SLIGHTLY with very loud volume on thrash type metal (listening to Megadeth). For Rap/Hip-hop (Jurassic 5) they were just fine with a lower cutoff, but for metal they seem to need around 70-80hz to clear up completely.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:27 PM
Hey tc, just wondering what you settled on for your low end cutoff on the RSD's. I initially went with 50Hz but found that they were distorting SLIGHTLY with very loud volume on thrash type metal (listening to Megadeth). For Rap/Hip-hop (Jurassic 5) they were just fine with a lower cutoff, but for metal they seem to need around 70-80hz to clear up completely.

i have settled with 80hz at a 12 db slope because of how much power i am running. i think 60 might be ok at a steep slope like 18 or 24db.

Pl8er
03-18-2008, 08:31 PM
maybe you need even more power.

how much power are you running? active or passive?

i found, at least in my case that the mid-range cleaned up A LOT when switching to active with them. i have never heard them sound taxed like you are saying. they just get way to loud.

I'm running passive with about 120 rms.

Maybe I'll adjust some settings and see what happens.

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 08:33 PM
Yea, I'm on a 24db slow right now. Seems like they can go down much lower than my 5000cs (110Hz on those). I've only just put them in, so some tweaking will be needed. Also, I still have to set up my tweeters in the position I end up feeling "good about them". I'm going to try some various locations and see what I think. Once I figure that out, I'll be better off.

For now I'm going to shoot for 70-80Hz. Hopefully with the 24db slope 70 will be attainable. If not, I'll try the 12db 80Hz setup your on right now. Still very impressed with these speakers for the price.

Also, what cut off are you using for your sub? Right now I'm running my sub frequency right up to the RSD's cut off. So in other words, if my RSD's are 80Hz 24db slope HP, my subs are 80Hz 24db slope LP. Any thoughts on that based on your experience with these? I'm running only the RSD tweeters, RSD drivers, and subs. No other speakers in the mix.

Also, tc, check out my thread. I made a thread for compiling data on what frequency range people are using for their component/midrange/midbass drivers. You should add your data to that. I think it will help people trying to decide a base line of frequency response for a given product or speaker size.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:36 PM
I'm running passive with about 120 rms.

Maybe I'll adjust some settings and see what happens.

ohhhh, give them more, lots more! you know what i'm runnin on mine, right?

Firmbiz94
03-18-2008, 08:39 PM
the rsd's are a good all around set..especially the midbass..the tweeter to me wasnt amazing but thats just imo.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:39 PM
Yea, I'm on a 24db slow right now. Seems like they can go down much lower than my 5000cs (110Hz on those). I've only just put them in, so some tweaking will be needed. Also, I still have to set up my tweeters in the position I end up feeling "good about them". I'm going to try some various locations and see what I think. Once I figure that out, I'll be better off.

For now I'm going to shoot for 70-80Hz. Hopefully with the 24db slope 70 will be attainable. If not, I'll try the 12db 80Hz setup your on right now. Still very impressed with these speakers for the price.

Also, what cut off are you using for your sub? Right now I'm running my sub frequency right up to the RSD's cut off. So in other words, if my RSD's are 80Hz 24db slope HP, my subs are 80Hz 24db slope LP. Any thoughts on that based on your experience with these? I'm running only the RSD tweeters, RSD drivers, and subs. No other speakers in the mix.

Also, tc, check out my thread. I made a thread for compiling data on what frequency range people are using for their component/midrange/midbass drivers. You should add your data to that. I think it will help people trying to decide a base line of frequency response for a given product or speaker size.

try a small gap in between the mids and the sub with a shallower slope, right now i am at 63hz/12db on the sub and 80hz/12db on the mids.

i think it blends better that way, at least in my car.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:39 PM
the rsd's are a good all around set..especially the midbass..the tweeter to me wasnt amazing but thats just imo.

where were the tweeters mounted? how much power, what kind of EQing did you try?

Firmbiz94
03-18-2008, 08:42 PM
thats the thing..they are equalized by nothing..they are in my kicks just like yours....kind of just hpf on the amp and let the crossover do the rest...i replaced my tweets..still have the mids tho and they still take all 150 watts i give em..im working on getting a new deck and eq..but for the time being i will have to accept them the way they are....

ncpalafox
03-18-2008, 08:44 PM
where are you guys ordering these from? Audiosavings on ebay doesnt have them listed anymore in 6.5" components

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 08:53 PM
thats the thing..they are equalized by nothing..they are in my kicks just like yours....kind of just hpf on the amp and let the crossover do the rest...i replaced my tweets..still have the mids tho and they still take all 150 watts i give em..im working on getting a new deck and eq..but for the time being i will have to accept them the way they are....

hmmm, maybe you just have some peaks in your car that you need and EQ to help fix, but i really like the rsd tweets. i think they sound very detailed but never harsh and i have them on-axis as well. which would make them seem even more detailed and possibly more harsh.

but its all personal preference.... :)

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 09:12 PM
try a small gap in between the mids and the sub with a shallower slope, right now i am at 63hz/12db on the sub and 80hz/12db on the mids.

i think it blends better that way, at least in my car.

Will do. I'll let you know how that sounds.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 09:14 PM
Will do. I'll let you know how that sounds.

ok

are you runnin yours active as well?

Bipolar
03-18-2008, 09:15 PM
So do I keep my Kicker 6X9's KS693's or not..Well actually I have to have some 6.5's for my fron no matter what so I guess I will get the RSD's and if I like them enough I will sell my Kickers and get a pair for the rear too....

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 09:34 PM
So do I keep my Kicker 6X9's KS693's or not..Well actually I have to have some 6.5's for my fron no matter what so I guess I will get the RSD's and if I like them enough I will sell my Kickers and get a pair for the rear too....

Go with the RSD's and drop the rear fill all together. Trust me, once it's gone, you'll never miss it. The RSD's will be more than enough to get the music loud and clear.


ok are you runnin yours active as well?

Yeah, running active to the component set (with my PC's DSP) and then still using the passive crossovers for the tweets. I'm going to use the passives for the tweets for a while just to get a feel for the "baseline" sound. Then I'll be putting 50x2 to the tweets and 125x2 to the comps.

I've already got my time alignment and driver balance (attenuation) all set up good. Now I just need to get the low end active tuning, between the sub and drivers, all squared away. After I do this, I'll start on the high end. This will consist of first and foremost, deciding were exactly to mount my tweets and actively crossing them over. I like to do things in steps or I get too far ahead of myself and end up getting frustrated.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 09:47 PM
i'm confused. what are you doing with the tweeters? you have it active and passive? ya lost me.

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 09:59 PM
Here's the rundown.

My source unit is a computer. I'm using an SB Live sound card for my audio output. The drivers I'm using for the sound card give me a full range DSP to work with, with 150 different plug-ins.

Right now here's how it's set up:

FXBus (all sound generated by computer) ----> 10 band EQ ----> 4th order crossover @ ~75Hz

From the 4th order crossover I have two different paths of audio as follows:

4th order crossover ~75Hz HP output ----> time alignment ----> front analog output
4th order crossover ~75Hz LP output ----> stereo volume (for sub volume control) ----> rear analog output

The front analog output of my sound card goes to my Visonik channels 1 and 2 and then out to the component set (amp is set on full range). Then my component set is using the passive crossover for now.

The rear analog output goes to channels 3 and 4 on the Visonik amp and then to my 2 subs. This is also set up with full range on the amp.

Therefore, yes, I am mixing active and passive. For now. I want to get an idea of what the RSD's are sounding like with the included passive crossovers to get an idea of what the baseline sound is supposed to be. In the mean time, I want to get all of my low end active tuning done. Then, once I get all the low end done, I can focus wholly on the high end. I need to do it in steps because a) I'm new to active, and b) I get way ahead of myself and frustrated if I'm trying to do too many things at once.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 10:01 PM
so thats not really active then. if you have the woofers and tweeters still hooked up to the passives then it's still passive.

unless i still don't understand.

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 10:06 PM
It's active, but only the sub woofer and component set (as a whole) are being handled actively.

The discrete driver and tweeter interchange is still being run passively for the time being.

It's not 100% active, but there is still active components. The only thing keeping it from being 100% active is me running my tweeters off a dedicated amp INSTEAD of the included crossovers.

Understand now?

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 10:11 PM
It's active, but only the sub woofer and component set (as a whole) are being handled actively.

The discrete driver and tweeter interchange is still being run passively for the time being.

It's not 100% active, but there is still active components. The only thing keeping it from being 100% active is me running my tweeters off a dedicated amp INSTEAD of the included crossovers.

Understand now?

yea, so its still passive. the sub will always be active in any install. you'll never see a sub in a car with a passive crossover, so the sub will always be controlled actively. but your front stage is still passive.

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 10:23 PM
I think you're confused about the difference between an active and passive crossover. Either that or confused by what I'm actually doing.

An active crossover has adjustable cutoffs (Hz) and adjustable slopes (orders). They can be adjusted on the fly. Passive crossovers are a set piece of equipment that operate at a set parameter.

My output from the PC IS active. Therefore, technically I'm running an active system. I have complete control (with my mouse or touchscreen) over my entire signal processor. I can adjust my crossovers, slopes, EQ, everything @ the touchscreen interface.

The only part of my system that is currently passive is the crossover for the component set. Granted most people run "active" by using an amp's on board crossovers or settings, but that's not really giving you any where near the adjust ability of a true active setup.

Right now I'm not letting my amplifier(s) do any processing work. My PC does all that.

In general any modifications to the sound of a setup AFTER or @ amplification are considered passive. All my of processing is pre-amp side, making it an active system.

The only reason I'm using my component PASSIVE crossovers is because I haven't yet ran my tweeters to an amp. Once I do, I'll have a 100% active system. Right now, I'm only running 2 out of 3 speaker sets active (the subs and drivers are actively tuned, and the tweets are passively tuned).

I don't know how I can make things any clearer. I AM running the drivers active, and the tweeters passive.


In conclusions, all I'm saying is that it IS possible to have active AND passive components in an audio system. It doesn't have to be one way or another.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 10:35 PM
i think you are mis-understanding what it means to run active.

-you are selecting the crossover point and slope for your sub, just like everybody else who has a sub can do.

-you are selecting the crossover point and slope for the high pass on the mids, just like anybody can do who either has a HU that has a high pass or an amp that has a high pass. so nothing really special there.

so those 2 things ARE active..... but not really what active tends to mean in car audio, and nothing different than most people on here.

when you say you have an active setup it really means that you have no passives anywhere. so you are "technically" running things both passive and active. get what i'm saying?

but you aren't running your component speakers active. you are running them just like anybody else.

Bipolar
03-18-2008, 10:38 PM
Go with the RSD's and drop the rear fill all together. Trust me, once it's gone, you'll never miss it. The RSD's will be more than enough to get the music loud and clear.


Thanks but no thanks.. I have to have rear fill..I actually want as close to surround sound as I can get.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 10:40 PM
Thanks but no thanks.. I have to have rear fill..I actually want as close to surround sound as I can get.

have fun with that.

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 11:00 PM
i think you are mis-understanding what it means to run active.

-you are selecting the crossover point and slope for your sub, just like everybody else who has a sub can do.

I'm not selecting any set crossover or slope. It's all 100% adjustable pre-amp side, much different than just using a crossover on an amp.


-you are selecting the crossover point and slope for the high pass on the mids, just like anybody can do who either has a HU that has a high pass or an amp that has a high pass. so nothing really special there.

The DSP I used is infinitely more advanced than a head unit or amp crossover. If you think that having a full range DSP with 150 different plug-ins to do anything possibly conceivable to the source sound "nothing special", I would like to see what you consider special. Besides that, I never claimed it to be special, only active tuning.


so those 2 things ARE active..... but not really what active tends to mean in car audio, and nothing different than most people on here.

when you say you have an active setup it really means that you have no passives anywhere. so you are "technically" running things both passive and active. get what i'm saying?

but you aren't running your component speakers active. you are running them just like anybody else.

I never at any point claimed to have a fully active system. That's what caused the confusion in the first place. You completely agreed with me there saying "running things both passive and active". That's exactly what I said from the beginning. And no, I'm not running my component speakers "just like anybody else". I'm controlling the source sound INTO the component set with an active DSP (time alignment, HP crossover, attenuation). Therefore, the RSD drivers are both actively tuned by the DSP and the passive crossover in combination.

I really don't understand what you're trying to argue. There is completely passive systems, completely active systems, and a multitude of systems using a combination of the two. Just because some one says they have active tuning doesn't mean their entire system is active. Now, if I had claimed to be running FULL active, yes, I would be mislead. I'm just saying that a vast majority of my tuning is done active, EXCEPT the passive crossovers for the component set. Yes, once I get the tweeters amped and remove the passive crossovers, the entire system will be active.

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 11:00 PM
Thanks but no thanks.. I have to have rear fill..I actually want as close to surround sound as I can get.


have fun with that.

What he said. :D

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 11:16 PM
I'm not selecting any set crossover or slope. It's all 100% adjustable pre-amp side, much different than just using a crossover on an amp.



The DSP I used is infinitely more advanced than a head unit or amp crossover. If you think that having a full range DSP with 150 different plug-ins to do anything possibly conceivable to the source sound "nothing special", I would like to see what you consider special. Besides that, I never claimed it to be special, only active tuning.



I never at any point claimed to have a fully active system. That's what caused the confusion in the first place. You completely agreed with me there saying "running things both passive and active". That's exactly what I said from the beginning. And no, I'm not running my component speakers "just like anybody else". I'm controlling the source sound INTO the component set with an active DSP (time alignment, HP crossover, attenuation). Therefore, the RSD drivers are both actively tuned by the DSP and the passive crossover in combination.

I really don't understand what you're trying to argue. There is completely passive systems, completely active systems, and a multitude of systems using a combination of the two. Just because some one says they have active tuning doesn't mean their entire system is active. Now, if I had claimed to be running FULL active, yes, I would be mislead. I'm just saying that a vast majority of my tuning is done active, EXCEPT the passive crossovers for the component set. Yes, once I get the tweeters amped and remove the passive crossovers, the entire system will be active.

wasn't trying to argue anything. it's all cool. :D

the part i bolded i am doing the same, i have all those features plus i am controlling all those on my tweeters and mids seperately. i can adjust high pass on the tweets and i have T/A on the tweets. the only thing i can see your carpc maybe having over my HU is maybe more of an EQ and maybe more crossover points.

not trying to cause trouble though.:)

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 11:30 PM
I know, no trouble at all my friend.

And I totally agree that almost anything I'm using software to do, can be done with various hardware. I just went with the PC as a source unit for unlimited music space (8000+ mp3's) and customization (different front ends, DSP control, etc). It's just easier for me on the PC screen because I'm a computer nerd first, audiophile second. :D

I too want to do what you're doing with the tweets and mids using their own dedicated T/A and attenuation, etc. in the near future.

However, right now I'm going to worry about my sub to midrange driver balance. Once I get that all squared away I'll move on to running full active and getting the tweeter positions and other active DSP settings all tuned nicely.

I can't do the entire system active just yet. Not enough experience with all this DSP, active crossovers and the like to do the whole ball game just yet.

Attached is an example of the DSP I'm using. Each plugin is represented by a window inside the DSP. Then, each plugin (as you can see) has input and output points. You start with a source sound, and then work your way over to your outputs, which can also be completely rerouted if need be. It's an AMAZING piece of software really. You can do anything from digital music recorded, to studio quality audio production, to simple MP3 music play back.

Each one of those windows inside the DSP can be clicked on, and all the options are loaded up for that plugin, allowing you to change them. The best part is, you can do everything on the fly. Including bypassing or disabling a plugin or entire channel completely. It's nice if you want to see how your setup will sound with a plugin on/off in real time to see how it affects everything.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 11:37 PM
I know, no trouble at all my friend.

And I totally agree that almost anything I'm using software to do, can be done with various hardware. I just went with the PC as a source unit for unlimited music space (8000+ mp3's) and customization (different front ends, DSP control, etc). It's just easier for me on the PC screen because I'm a computer nerd first, audiophile second. :D

I too want to do what you're doing with the tweets and mids using their own dedicated T/A and attenuation, etc. in the near future.

However, right now I'm going to worry about my sub to midrange driver balance. Once I get that all squared away I'll move on to running full active and getting the tweeter positions and other active DSP settings all tuned nicely.

I can't do the entire system active just yet. Not enough experience with all this DSP, active crossovers and the like to do the whole ball game just yet.

Here's an example of the DSP I'm using. Each plugin is represented by a window inside the DSP. Then, each plugin (as you can see) has input and output points. You start with a source sound, and then work your way over to your outputs, which can also be completely rerouted if need be. It's an AMAZING piece of software really. You can do anything from digital music recorded, to studio quality audio production, to simple MP3 music play back.

cool! :) sounds fun.

how much did the whole thing run ya?

any pics of the install, and install process? sounds neat.

ronjon228
03-18-2008, 11:53 PM
Yea, there is a post here on caraudio about it. Check my "threads started by" and you'll see it. It's in general discussion, 2nd or 3rd page.

The whole setup, I couldn't even tell you how much. Not much considering the processing power and SQL I've got. I'm a big budget shopper and do all the work myself with help from friends. I'd say most likely 500 or so for the whole sha-bang.

I'm still working on the install. All the amp racks, computer case, LCD, everything is installed and secured. I just don't have the finishing touches done. The amp racks and computer case are still bare MDF, and the front "modified" door mounts (were 5.25", now 6.5") are still not molded. However, structurally and sound wise, it's basically 100% done. I just don't want to put any more money into fabrication in this old car, it's got 170K miles on it and will most likely be retired in the near future.

Once I get a new ride I'll properly mold in the LCD, build a nice carpeted amp rack and computer case, and make sure it has 6.5" speakers stock so I can replace those without any fabrication.

tcguy85
03-18-2008, 11:59 PM
cool!

thehardknoxlife
03-19-2008, 12:34 AM
cool! :) sounds fun.

how much did the whole thing run ya?

any pics of the install, and install process? sounds neat.
Lots of car PC's on mp3car.com.

ronjon228
03-19-2008, 04:26 AM
Lots of car PC's on mp3car.com.

I know, I'm a regular over there. :)

Bipolar
03-19-2008, 09:56 AM
Ha, you guys are funny, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say or maybe I said it wrong... I know I'm not going to have frikin surround sound, what I was trying to say is I cant stand just to have front or rear fill, I have to have both to be happy, As in being surrounded by the sound not like having Dolby Pro Logic 7.0 or anything...

capnxtreme
03-20-2008, 04:44 AM
I don't think anyone misunderstood . . .

ThomasG
03-20-2008, 07:01 PM
I cant wait till I jump on this boner with the rest of CA.com!!!

tcguy85
03-20-2008, 08:27 PM
I cant wait till I jump on this boner with the rest of CA.com!!!

let us know what ya think.

miker
03-20-2008, 08:42 PM
I cant wait till I jump on this boner with the rest of CA.com!!!

Well, maybe you should try jumping on an actual, boner, and let us know what you think about that.

tcguy85
03-20-2008, 08:59 PM
^ wow! oh boy.

Slammed
03-20-2008, 09:02 PM
who wants to see my boner?

miker
03-20-2008, 09:06 PM
Hahaha, no harm meant, it just kinda came to mind..

Hahah, wow Slammed, wow...

bdawson72
03-21-2008, 11:34 AM
I have officially hopped on the boner. I may give them a review if I have the time.

WhoSayWho?
03-21-2008, 12:41 PM
I have officially hopped on the boner. I may give them a review if I have the time.

Do you have them yet? Installed?

tooshort_128
03-21-2008, 12:42 PM
I myself was hesitant about getting the Rsd's but got talked into it by some guys in the forum here. As it turns out, I'm very pleased to say the least. I knew the guys here wouldn't steer me wrong. I'm throwing roughly 150 watts to mine from a Memphis 2 channel and they sound great. Mid-bass is especially good.........

ThomasG
03-22-2008, 11:41 PM
Well, maybe you should try jumping on an actual, boner, and let us know what you think about that.

:laugh: Ill pass on that.

rednas
03-22-2008, 11:46 PM
I hopped on the bandwagon as well. Just need to receive them and install them.

ThomasG
03-22-2008, 11:48 PM
Anyone have the link to the 87$ shipped?

tcguy85
03-22-2008, 11:52 PM
Anyone have the link to the 87$ shipped?

ebay, the seller audio savings has them for that price, last i heard they were all sold out again.

ThomasG
03-24-2008, 12:18 AM
hmmm I ebayed Phoenix Gold RSd 65cs

The cheapest I found was 79.99 + 25 shipping

anyone have the link as to where they bought theirs?

bdawson72
03-24-2008, 12:20 AM
hmmm I ebayed Phoenix Gold RSd 65cs

The cheapest I found was 79.99 + 25 shipping

anyone have the link as to where they bought theirs?

That ended up bein where I got mine from.

ronjon228
03-24-2008, 12:23 AM
I think the place that has them for 79.99 is out of stock so be careful ordering them. There are a few other forum members who are in contact with the seller and he/she seems to be reassuring them that everything will be sent out as soon as his stock is replenished. Just thought I'd make it known.

bdawson72
03-24-2008, 12:30 AM
What size wire did yall use?

andrewibk
03-24-2008, 12:26 PM
just jumped on the boner ! gonna be powered by an mrp-f550 !
2 x 250 rms bridged !
but im too scared to feed them 200. so 150 will do ?

tcguy85
03-24-2008, 05:58 PM
just jumped on the boner ! gonna be powered by an mrp-f550 !
2 x 250 rms bridged !
but im too scared to feed them 200. so 150 will do ?

150 will do good but the more head room you have the better.

ronjon228
03-24-2008, 06:00 PM
What size wire did yall use?

16 gauge for me.

bdawson72
03-24-2008, 06:05 PM
thanks

tcguy85
03-24-2008, 06:08 PM
What size wire did yall use?

16 gauge for the mids, and 18 gauge for the tweeters. :)

ThomasG
03-27-2008, 09:56 PM
That ended up bein where I got mine from.

Ah shucks.

DD_Dave
03-28-2008, 07:54 AM
yea, so its still passive. the sub will always be active in any install. you'll never see a sub in a car with a passive crossover, so the sub will always be controlled actively. but your front stage is still passive.

i'll have to disagree ...I will still build a system running a sub passive occasionally....Though it is moe rare these days...because most newer amps have built in active crossovers....so more adjustability...but occasionally I'll put together something using an old school amp without built in crossovers and eithr use a pre made passive crossover or build one myself out of coils and caps.....

mdillon
03-28-2008, 08:07 AM
i doubt anyone is throwing a true 150 to their rsd's

tcguy85
03-28-2008, 09:59 AM
i doubt anyone is throwing a true 150 to their rsd's

all i know is my amp can send 200 rms to each mid and 100 rms to each tweeter, and i DO see my clip light flash very slightly at times.

tsenfw
03-28-2008, 11:58 AM
all i know is my amp can send 200 rms to each mid and 100 rms to each tweeter, and i DO see my clip light flash very slightly at times.

Threw my rsd mids in to replace my revs and try them out. Have them running off a JL 300/4 that's rated at 75watts X 4 @ 4ohms at 12 volts I believe. I've seen reviews saying they put out more like 96watts @ 4 ohms.

I don't see how you could be sending a true 150watts to these. When I tried to turn the gain up they sounded kind of distorted. It could be the amp but I don't think it's clipping because I just had the revs on it and they sounded fine.

Trying to figure out what's going on here because they aren't sounding that great.

5.7TBI
03-28-2008, 05:54 PM
Why would Phoenix Gold rate a speaker at 60rms and build it to handle 200rms no problem, yes it is better to overpower than to underpower, but over 100% more than recommended seems kind of ridiculous. I'm not saying tcguy is lying either, it just seems obscure.

DeboDaddy
03-28-2008, 05:55 PM
My RSD's didn't like over about 80rms until I deadnened and sealed everything. Now it seems like they are begging for more. Not sure why it made a difference, but they WILL NOT distort on an unclipped signal, no matter how much I give them.

ronjon228
03-28-2008, 06:15 PM
I have to go with the flow on this one. I was running 50w RMS. Now I'm running my amp bridged (4-channel) at an unknown actual wattage, most likely close to, if not surpassing, 150w RMS to each side. They sound MUCH better like this and I'll be keeping it this way. Zero distortion with the amp gain at approx 1/3 of the way up. Then again, my source unit is a PC, so no idea what the output voltage of the RCA (sound card) is. Most likely lower, hence the low gain setting.

tcguy85
03-28-2008, 07:34 PM
Threw my rsd mids in to replace my revs and try them out. Have them running off a JL 300/4 that's rated at 75watts X 4 @ 4ohms at 12 volts I believe. I've seen reviews saying they put out more like 96watts @ 4 ohms.

I don't see how you could be sending a true 150watts to these. When I tried to turn the gain up they sounded kind of distorted. It could be the amp but I don't think it's clipping because I just had the revs on it and they sounded fine.

Trying to figure out what's going on here because they aren't sounding that great.

where are they crossed and at what slope? any boosts in the EQ anywhere?

if i play good recordings i can seriously turn the volume up as much as i want and they sound fine and show no signs of stress.

ronjon228
03-28-2008, 08:46 PM
Sounds like the x-over is set too low, or the slope isn't sleep enough. Most likely distortion caused by low end Hz and not the actual power being sent to them. As tc said, what's your xover and slope?

tcguy85
03-28-2008, 09:18 PM
the whole thing with running so much power is you get crazy dynamics that way. it's sick when you can feel the snare drum hits, not just bass drum and floor toms. :). yes with more power you can get louder but for me it's about loudness and SQ and dynamics.

i think a lot of power is just as important in an SQ system as it is in an spl system. only in an SQ system you won't be using all of it all the time. alot of it is there for headroom and good dynamic range.

DeboDaddy
03-29-2008, 02:24 AM
Hey tc, I'm switching to active on my RSD's in the enxt few weeks. I'm going to be running 2 seperate amps though. I was wondering how much power do you have going to the mids, and same question for the tweets? One more thing, do you usually put less power to the tweets, or is it just all dependent on personal preferences?

Thanks for any help.

tcguy85
03-29-2008, 08:53 AM
well my amp can do 200 per mid and 100 per tweeter. i didn't set the gains with a dmm or anything. just set them by ear. ya never know how much power anything is actually seeing. when you get into an active setup using a dmm to set gains is kind of pointless, you just need to level match everything so it blends right. but tweeters usually don't need anywhere near as much as mids, hence the reason i bought an amp with staggered outputs.

tsenfw
03-31-2008, 03:39 PM
I have the HPF on 60hz and LPF on 3kz, 12db slope. Is the LPF too high? What are you guys crossing your mids and tweets at?

CaptNKILL
03-31-2008, 03:48 PM
Man, someone told me to go with a kicker ZX200.2 amp to power the RSD 6.5s but its only 70x2 at 4 ohms. I hope that's enough to make them sound good. I have the amp but I don't have the speakers yet (ebay seller is taking his sweet old time with responding to my questions).

tcguy85
03-31-2008, 04:51 PM
I have the HPF on 60hz and LPF on 3kz, 12db slope. Is the LPF too high? What are you guys crossing your mids and tweets at?

you are running yours active?

my mids are run from 80hz/12db up to 2.5k/24db. tweets are at 4k/24db.

tcguy85
03-31-2008, 04:55 PM
Man, someone told me to go with a kicker ZX200.2 amp to power the RSD 6.5s but its only 70x2 at 4 ohms. I hope that's enough to make them sound good. I have the amp but I don't have the speakers yet (ebay seller is taking his sweet old time with responding to my questions).

they will work on 70 watts a side but will sound a bunch better with more.

CaptNKILL
03-31-2008, 05:10 PM
they will work on 70 watts a side but will sound a bunch better with more.

I don't have a whole lot of experience with stuff like this. What is it that sounds better with more power? Is it the mid bass?

tcguy85
03-31-2008, 05:19 PM
I don't have a whole lot of experience with stuff like this. What is it that sounds better with more power? Is it the mid bass?

more power = less distortion (to an extent)

you will be able to have it louder while sounding clearer..... possibly much clearer.

BobbyDD
03-31-2008, 05:24 PM
I don't have a whole lot of experience with stuff like this. What is it that sounds better with more power? Is it the mid bass?

Have you ever had a set of components before? If you haven't then you'll probably be satisfied with 70 watts per side.

CaptNKILL
03-31-2008, 10:32 PM
Have you ever had a set of components before? If you haven't then you'll probably be satisfied with 70 watts per side.

Never had components before. I've been using the stock speakers in my car for 2 months. In my old car I used the horrid stock speakers for almost 3 years. I upgraded to a pair of Pioneer 4x6s in the front dash and Infinity reference 6x9s in the rear. They sounded decent to me, but pretty harsh at times. I've always just used the head unit to power speakers though (22w per channel).

I listen to music fairly loud, but if I never usually go past 26 on my head unit (it goes to 35) running stock speakers, I doubt I'll be cranking it up too much more with 3 times as much power available.

tsenfw
04-01-2008, 02:26 PM
more power = less distortion (to an extent)

you will be able to have it louder while sounding clearer..... possibly much clearer.

I don't see how that is possible. If that were true you would have distortion at lower volume. Think about it, you speakers are seeing less wattage with a lower volume setting.


you are running yours active?

my mids are run from 80hz/12db up to 2.5k/24db. tweets are at 4k/24db.

Yes, I'm running them active on a JL 300/4. Looking for a 9887 for better control of the crossovers.

Hmm maybe my HPF at 60hz is too low. They seem to sound better after a few days of playing but in my opinion the Pioneer rev's have slightly better sq.

ronjon228
04-01-2008, 03:49 PM
60Hz is too low in my opinion.

I've tried 60, 70, 80, and 90 Hz on these RSD's. To me it all depends on what you're listening to. Most rap/hip hop you can get away with 70. However, when listening to metal or electronica, or anything else with a heavy and quick base line, 60 is going to bottom out quick.

Try going to 80Hz. It seems to be the xover point of choice for most with these comps. In fact, I prefer 90Hz on certain music. You may even want to try that, especially if your slope is lower. I'm on 24db/octave right now.

tcguy85
04-01-2008, 07:31 PM
I don't see how that is possible. If that were true you would have distortion at lower volume. Think about it, you speakers are seeing less wattage with a lower volume setting.



Yes, I'm running them active on a JL 300/4. Looking for a 9887 for better control of the crossovers.

Hmm maybe my HPF at 60hz is too low. They seem to sound better after a few days of playing but in my opinion the Pioneer rev's have slightly better sq.

the more power you have = the less chance you'll drive the amp into heavy clipping, so less distortion. but then you get into over driving the speakers past xmax and then you get BL distortion. but generally with more power you can have it louder and sound cleaner.

60hz i believe is a tad low (depending on the music of course). i have mine at 80hz/12db. i have used 63hz/24db and have gotten good results though as well, but the steeper slope helps. but to me 80hz keeps the mids more linear.

with a good sub and some T/A you can still get the sub to sound right up front when crossed at 80hz. on most music, my car sounds like i just have giant mids up front with no high-pass on them. :)

CaptNKILL
04-02-2008, 06:13 PM
Well the guy on ebay who is "selling" RSD 65cs sets is still screwing around with the projected ship dates.

Has anyone received a set of these speakers from this guy in the past week or two?

I'm going to report him and ask for a refund if he doesn't give me a solid ETA today. I've checked around the net and he's been doing this for a while. He's completely breaking ebay's rules about Pre-Sale listings. You can NOT sell an item that you don't have in your possession unless you are listing it specifically as a pre-sale (for example "this item will be released in 2 weeks and I'll ship it then"). The seller never mentioned that the item was on back order, so he is breaking the rules. He's sold over a dozen of these things in the past 3 weeks...

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/pre-sale.html

leastbay
04-02-2008, 06:49 PM
Well the guy on ebay who is "selling" RSD 65cs sets is still screwing around with the projected ship dates.

Has anyone received a set of these speakers from this guy in the past week or two?

I'm going to report him and ask for a refund if he doesn't give me a solid ETA today. I've checked around the net and he's been doing this for a while. He's completely breaking ebay's rules about Pre-Sale listings. You can NOT sell an item that you don't have in your possession unless you are listing it specifically as a pre-sale (for example "this item will be released in 2 weeks and I'll ship it then"). The seller never mentioned that the item was on back order, so he is breaking the rules. He's sold over a dozen of these things in the past 3 weeks...

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/pre-sale.html

Ive already reported him, ebay says they will try to limit some of his listings, basically the factory is sending out more this month, he is waiting on them still, his projected date is April 16th , he will refund you if you ask him. I am just going to wait on them.

CaptNKILL
04-04-2008, 03:20 AM
Well, today he told me the ETA is April 16th.

I'm pretty sure he just pulled that out of his rear though, so if I find them in stock anywhere for a decent price before then I'll just request a refund from him and buy it elsewhere.

lawlyes2007
04-04-2008, 10:24 PM
How is the midbass on these components? also would a jl 450/4 push there well?

tcguy85
04-04-2008, 11:07 PM
How is the midbass on these components? also would a jl 450/4 push there well?

the mid-bass is what everybody goes crazy about with these things. as long as you have a good 125+ watts a side then you'll be good. the more power the better.

UCF52
04-04-2008, 11:51 PM
Pretty nice from both drivers. I remember, recently, somebody over on DIYMA suggested the RSD tweet plus the Pioneer PRS-720 mid bass; so that should tell you that this set is worth a hundred bucks.

Solid mid plus a solid tweet. Hard to beat for under a bill.

88txswol
04-05-2008, 12:18 AM
Well, today he told me the ETA is April 16th.

I'm pretty sure he just pulled that out of his rear though, so if I find them in stock anywhere for a decent price before then I'll just request a refund from him and buy it elsewhere.

i had another post on here somewhere about the run around i got.....and i had mine ordered march 8th....was told 5-6 days.....then i sent an email asking if they were in fact IN STOCK or not. Only reply i got was "If you cant wait then i'll refund your money"...so after about 2.5 weeks i just got a refund....

i have been following this thread to see if/when anyone actually got thier set.

I figured that with my luck, as soon as i cancelled they would ship. But that does not seem to be the case, and dude has sold like 20-30 sets since then.....pretty nice loan he's sitting on there..LOL

I am also an ebay seller, and i contacted them about his sales practice, and the reply i got was "Thank you for bringing this to our attention, this seller is in good standing, but due to numerous complaints currently on file, we will be auditing his potential violation of policy" ....that is not VERBATIM, but as best i can recall without looking it up..

good luck, hope you guys get your sets, fortunantly i already had a couple, and yest they are NICE!:clap::thumbupw:

Bryce
04-05-2008, 12:26 AM
I ordered a set from him, as there is NO WHERE else to get them shipped to Canada.
I'm not too concerned about when i get them, as long as its in the next month. I still need to get an amp and wire them up, which is alot of work in my civic.

If he is reported as fraud, where can i get them else where?

88txswol
04-05-2008, 12:35 AM
I ordered a set from him, as there is NO WHERE else to get them shipped to Canada.
I'm not too concerned about when i get them, as long as its in the next month. I still need to get an amp and wire them up, which is alot of work in my civic.

If he is reported as fraud, where can i get them else where?


he's got a lot of sales.....it wont be reported as fraud, just violation of policy because he does not state in the auction that it IS IN fact a pre sale, and he has no **** idea when they will get to him....

yes, he will probably get them eventually and ship them as promised......but the when is the queston.

i just dont like it when people arent honest.....hell i woulda waited for mine and let him keep the funds, if he had just said it was going to be a few weeks....**** man..have some integrity!:wow:

CaptNKILL
04-05-2008, 05:17 AM
To the people who have RSDs:

Are they worth all the hassle of waiting a month to get them and most likely having to cut up my new car to install them?

I want good quality sound for a low price, but I'm starting to think I'd be better off just getting something more readily available and possibly something with a more shallow mounting depth (less than 2.5" would be good I think).

Does anything come close to the RSDs for around $100 new? Ill be running them with 70W each on a Kicker ZX200.2.

I found a good price on some Pioneer Rev TS-C160R comps. Are they comparable to the RSDs?

KarimyBaby
04-05-2008, 03:34 PM
So I also ordered mine last month from him and still have not received mine...I checked sonicelectronix.com and they have them for 99.99 plus shipping but the availability says they are disconitnued...that could be a reason for y he doesn't have them...I guess he oversold but expected more to come in but probly can't get them kuz they could be discontinued...any ideas...im probly gonna ask for a refund and just get the MB Quarts PVF-216 which I actually heard and not just going by the great vine.

88txswol
04-06-2008, 01:23 AM
To the people who have RSDs:

Are they worth all the hassle of waiting a month to get them and most likely having to cut up my new car to install them?

I want good quality sound for a low price, but I'm starting to think I'd be better off just getting something more readily available and possibly something with a more shallow mounting depth (less than 2.5" would be good I think).

Does anything come close to the RSDs for around $100 new? Ill be running them with 70W each on a Kicker ZX200.2.

I found a good price on some Pioneer Rev TS-C160R comps. Are they comparable to the RSDs?

well...honestly, they are a great value for the money....but once again, quality of install makes a big diff, as does personal preference....

after owening them, installing them, tweaking them, YES....i do like em....especially when i think of the whole 87 dollars a set they cost me....

i think the cost to quality ratio is what was so originally spectacular about these comps.....but i HAVE heard some others that i like better....could have been the install tho???...you just never really know...

I"m not going to pretend i have heard all there is to hear, and the RSD's are all that and then some...

bottom line...they ARE good, and if you can get em for a bill or less, then they are a good buy.....but at this point it seems many are getting shafted when it is well known that PG isnt shipping these things out for at LEAST a couple of weeks....

blazen_indo
04-06-2008, 02:45 PM
I also ordered from that guy is the wait gonna pan out. How is that not illegal to post things for sale, take you money and not have the goods?

miker
04-06-2008, 05:40 PM
Well.. I just listened to them without my sub hooked up..

Great midbass :)... Even in a poor install... Also turned my gain up a bit, and they sound even better..

CaptNKILL
04-06-2008, 05:53 PM
well...honestly, they are a great value for the money....but once again, quality of install makes a big diff, as does personal preference....

after owening them, installing them, tweaking them, YES....i do like em....especially when i think of the whole 87 dollars a set they cost me....

i think the cost to quality ratio is what was so originally spectacular about these comps.....but i HAVE heard some others that i like better....could have been the install tho???...you just never really know...

I"m not going to pretend i have heard all there is to hear, and the RSD's are all that and then some...

bottom line...they ARE good, and if you can get em for a bill or less, then they are a good buy.....but at this point it seems many are getting shafted when it is well known that PG isnt shipping these things out for at LEAST a couple of weeks....
I requested a refund from him yesterday. No response yet but they seem like the kind of ebayers that take the weekend off and ignore all emails until monday.

If I knew for sure that I had enough room for these speakers in my car I might wait it out... but the more I thought about it, the less I wanted to take a jigsaw to the door panels on my '06 Sonata that I've only had for 2 1/2 months. I'm just not that ambitious I guess.

I found a set of Eclipse SC6500 components brand new from an online store (with a 1 year warranty, unlike ebay) for $140 shipped. I've read mostly great comments about them around here and the mounting depth seems perfect at 2.25 inches. I have 2.31 inches of clearance and the RSDs are around 2.7 or 2.8 from what I've read.

They're $35 more than the RSDs but I won't have to wait forever and I think they'll suit me much better.

I'm probably going to seal and deaden my doors with Raammat eventually so these speakers running with 70w each and properly sealed should be good and won't require ruining my interior.

blueshawk
04-06-2008, 07:18 PM
I did the same.I need .75 tweets and 6.75 mids for my 03 Tib. CDT Audio CL-61A for me.

djeazie
05-22-2008, 12:26 AM
Bringin it back from the dead.

I have 4 channel amp currently using only the front 2 channels at 90 watts a channel.

If I bridge this amp its rated at 225 a channel @4ohm.

Would 225 watts be to much power for my RSD 6.5s?

Or should I run them on 90 watts till they are broke in and then give'em 225 watts later with conservative gains?

Or just leave them on 90 watts because 225 might be to much.

I am running passive.

SRim23
05-22-2008, 12:43 AM
i dont own them, nor have i heard a set but ive been reading about people giving them 150+ when they first got them, now there is an overwhelming amt of threads with people mentioning they have blown tweeters and what not.

not sure if those are connected but like i said have been hearing alot of people with blown tweets.

mazzasec
05-22-2008, 12:44 AM
Ya I can think if like 5 threads either "I blew my tweeter in my rsd' comps." or "WTB: 1 tweeter for rsd's my other one blew"

bigbangtheory
05-22-2008, 09:15 PM
I honestly don't know how these people are running so much power to these. I only have had 50rms, then bridged my front to channels to give me 75rms and they sound very loud and clear.

Maybe it is an active thing to where you have more control over the watts or something, but I am on passive and probably staying that way. For now, they sound perfect for my likeing, but I do want to give them more power like others, just don't have the amp to do so, plus I don't want them to go snap, crackle and pop.

01 S 10
05-22-2008, 09:21 PM
I honestly don't know how these people are running so much power to these. I only have had 50rms, then bridged my front to channels to give me 75rms and they sound very loud and clear.

Maybe it is an active thing to where you have more control over the watts or something, but I am on passive and probably staying that way. For now, they sound perfect for my likeing, but I do want to give them more power like others, just don't have the amp to do so, plus I don't want them to go snap, crackle and pop.

I have mine active currently, and the mids scream on 100+ watts from my sax 100.4, the tweeters are set a lot lower because I would not want 100 watts going to each tweeter, that seems wayyy too much imo.

some people forget that when they are running passive on ~125-150 watts, the tweeter is getting all of that, just like the mid... POOF!

remember, this is a "BUDGET" comp set, they just happen to be very crisp and clean (especially the mids), the down fall is the amount of power the the tweeters can handle, but thats ok, they just need a clean 60 - 70 watts.


Personally, I believe the biggest issue is at ~$90 a set, the kind of people buying these are not running the better quality amps that cost triple that of this comp set (or more).

miker
05-22-2008, 09:27 PM
yeah.. exactly my problem... I can afford the comps, but not a good amp..

hopefully that will change this summer..

percept
06-18-2008, 09:08 PM
Dont wanna start another thread so i'm bringing this back...

I got my rsd's installed this weekend. I get zero of this midbass everyone is talking about. I have bass gain set at zero since turning it up at all distorts the tweeters (is that normal?). I hooked it up to a TXA-3004, feeding it 75 watts each. mids and treble gets plenty loud (and clear). my doors aren't deadened at all so that may be the case. thatll be my next project.

n00b question: how horrible is it if my woofer magnet is touching metal?

Towncar
06-18-2008, 10:13 PM
What are they crossed over at?

wu501
06-18-2008, 10:14 PM
I had tons of midbass when I had them. I did have my doors deadened though. I was feeding them about 120 watts each.

percept
06-18-2008, 11:14 PM
What are they crossed over at?

this might be a stupid answer to your question, but im using the passive crossovers they came with....so...whatever those are set at? i was under the impression that you dont get to set crossovers unless youre running active.

it might be all in my head but the bass seems to be creeping in the more i play them.

Symon_say
06-18-2008, 11:39 PM
Doing some experimentation i set my gains by ear instead of the DMM, and when i measure the power i was sending 240W with no audible clip, it was so loud that i can hear my sub.

Right now i'm sending 150W.

To djeazie your amp can make what it sais, everything depend on your gain setting, so you can set your bridged channels to 150 like i have mine.

percept
06-18-2008, 11:49 PM
is there a way to set amplifier gain with dmm using an ipod? the cd player on my deck is broken so i use my ipod...what volume would i set my ipod to?

skrilla22
06-19-2008, 12:00 AM
Hearing your speakers without the doors deadened then hearing them with the doors deadened is like night and day. I got my rsds and installed them, sounded good but wasn't too impressed. I then deadened my doors and i was shocked, the midbass is incredible.

And to the person who is giving them 75 watts a side, you should double that. Make sure you set your gains correctly as well.

Symon_say
06-19-2008, 12:02 AM
is there a way to set amplifier gain with dmm using an ipod? the cd player on my deck is broken so i use my ipod...what volume would i set my ipod to?

Conect it to your ready and play the test tone in your ipod and set your gains.

percept
06-19-2008, 12:04 AM
what do i set my ipod volume to? just whatever i regularly listen to?

SRim23
06-19-2008, 12:10 AM
i dont own a set but alot of the owners say from new to break in they are like night and day. midbass comes when you deaden and when they break-in.

bikinpunk
06-19-2008, 12:22 AM
Treat your doors properly. This doesn't just mean deadening.


Also, keep in mind that one person's "midbass pounds" might be another's "midbass *****". In other words, it's relative.

stylez777
06-20-2008, 03:45 AM
I was going to pick-up the RSD's (after trying to find something in the $200 range and better then the RSD's but no luck). Though had a few questions wondering if someone could clear up for me.

I have a 5 channel amp it's rated 4x130 1x400 @ 4ohms or 3x400 @ 4 ohms. (don't want to get into actual power since i cannot test for that or wouldn't even know how) I've been told I should run them active but would this entail me having to buy an external X-over if my HU can only go up to 125hz on the HPF? also i am not really experienced setting all that up would it be alot more work or overly difficult to figure out how to set it up?

I was toying with the idea to run my amp bridge for the more power. (Though I haven't come across any speaker in the price range I could spend that would handle that much power). So if I did run the RSD's passive and had the amp bridge am I correct to assume I would have to have the gains pretty low as too not send too much power to them and blow them up? or is mine line of thinking all wrong?

king ranch
06-20-2008, 03:50 AM
just set gains with a dmm and a test tone man its teh easiest way