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redfish8
02-23-2008, 11:44 PM
do they sound better or worse than wood boxes also does anyone on here make them and do they cost more
thanks

Random1010
02-24-2008, 12:22 AM
they sound the same. they cost more. and yes theyre built here

Zxcvtypo
02-24-2008, 12:23 AM
they sound the same. they cost more. and yes theyre built here

lol x2...what kind of setup are you trying to go with? and what equipment etc

edit: what part of alaska? i'm going to retire outside of fairbanks, in a very long time.

Random1010
02-24-2008, 12:25 AM
fg is much more expensive. i just finished my first box..
average price for a box for 2 15"s painted seems to be $650+

seedubs1
02-24-2008, 12:49 AM
Eh.....It's not that bad if you do it yourself. Fiberglass mat costs what? Like $5 a yard for 2 oz. And resin costs like $40 a gallon. Once you're all said and done.....Like $100-$200 depending on how big the box is.

It is just more work to do. But it is worth it.

redfish8
02-24-2008, 12:51 AM
well i am going to need either a wood or fiberglass custom made wicked looking ported box for 2 12's l7's tuned to 33hz with each sub having 2.6net

and box will be bascially square and around 26inches deep 35tall and 17 wide but part of the box will be taller than one part it will be like a sub on top then a 10 inch slop and another sub

Random1010
02-24-2008, 12:51 AM
mat is 6.97 for 9 sq yds here..but i think the op is referring to having one done for him. which will be very expensive.
but ya probably around 250 to do it urself plus a ton of work..

just saw ur post..expect to pay probably..$400+ for quality work

redfish8
02-24-2008, 12:53 AM
well i got a price quote from a audio shop in town and he said 550-650 and i didnt ask forgot to if it was fiberglass or wood
i said why so much hes like well for a custom box of that shape it will run that much plus he swears up and down he knos how to make a really good port

Random1010
02-24-2008, 12:54 AM
haha knows how to make really good port? wow real tricky...from a shop that could be either wood or glass depending how bad theyre gonna rip u off.

redfish8
02-24-2008, 12:56 AM
well is 550 a rip off for a wood
and is that a good deal for fiberglass
i think it might be glass his system he has 4 12's ported in 10ft of airspace and its glass
and its loud

Random1010
02-24-2008, 12:59 AM
its a rip off for both to be honest. wood costs $25 for a box ur size. probably 150-200 for a glass box ur size. but factor in labor and ur gonna get screwed.id hope thats for glass but you never can tell.

its loud? well what else have you heard?

redfish8
02-24-2008, 01:10 AM
well i cant say i have heard much

Worlddre
02-24-2008, 01:12 AM
well is 550 a rip off for a wood
and is that a good deal for fiberglass
i think it might be glass his system he has 4 12's ported in 10ft of airspace and its glass
and its loud


its a rip off for both to be honest. wood costs $25 for a box ur size. probably 150-200 for a glass box ur size. but factor in labor and ur gonna get screwed.id hope thats for glass but you never can tell.

its loud? well what else have you heard?

keep in mind that he is likely not paid hrly. so of the 550 he may see 200 before tax. So in order to make it worth his time he needs to charge that much.

And unless otherwise stated its wood. Fiberglass would have been specified.

Random1010
02-24-2008, 01:12 AM
well i cant say i have heard much

well idk how many people on here live in alaska but see if anyone is nearby you with a good system..not that 4 12"s is bad but try hearing 2 btl 18"s on 8,000 watts..

redfish8
02-24-2008, 01:16 AM
well he had 4 12's ported on 3k watts and he said that wasnt rms so i am guessing around 1500-2000rms and he has 6 emience speakers for highs on 75rms a piece and it hurt my ears and shoke the car pretty decent and i could feel it in my chest and like compressed my chest with the doors open
and no i live in fl

redfish8
02-24-2008, 01:16 AM
he owns the shop himself he told me he gets like 75 an hour i think

Random1010
02-24-2008, 01:19 AM
eminence? oh no...
you can definitly find someone near you then who will show you a real system.

redfish8
02-24-2008, 01:27 AM
well i hope mine sounds good i dont have the cash for a 550 dollar box so i might try to build myself a sealed one for the 2 l's with about 3.2net airspace and i will have them hooked up to a kicker 1500.1 and if i feel lucky i might try to build a ported myself but i dont kno

for my highs and mids i am planning on having polk momo's comps upfrtont getting 120rms each side and for rear fill having polk momo's 6.5 running around 75rms powered by a kicker 650.4

how will all that sound

Random1010
02-24-2008, 01:28 AM
for the subs...are u thinking of doing fiberglass urself? its really not hard, it just takes a lot of time and patience. as for mdf, if u can build sealed u can build ported.

redfish8
02-24-2008, 01:31 AM
yes wood i will do def not glass i am only 18 years old no experience

Random1010
02-24-2008, 01:32 AM
hell im only 18... ever done paper mache? fiberglass is very much the same thing. wood will give you no problems but also will take more tools/

redfish8
02-24-2008, 01:35 AM
wat tools will i need and never messed with paper
with glass how do i shape the box or design it

Random1010
02-24-2008, 01:38 AM
wat tools will i need and never messed with paper
with glass how do i shape the box or design it

for glass youll need, paintbrushes and a sander as ur tools. a jigsaw or router is also needed to make a circle..borrow one or something. or buy and return whatever.
if u wanna custom fit it to part of ur car you cover that area in some beefy layers of painters tape, spray it down in wd 40 and then start laying down glass.when it hardens you use dowels glued onto that and mount a ring the size of ur sub diameter onto that dowel and stretch spandex over that rig and staple it down to the existing glass back piece u made. that makes ur sub be the furtherst part out and give the box shape.
pm me for actual details and ill point you to some sites.

seedubs1
02-24-2008, 01:40 AM
check out the tutorials.....It's pretty simple. Once it warms up, I'm going to be glassing a 10"er into my center console:D Just for shits and giggles.

Just make sure you wear a respirator.....Those fumes are nasty.

redfish8
02-24-2008, 01:43 AM
yes it sounds kinda hard i wish i could find someone to do it locally how much do fiberglass boxes usually go for

DDSC
02-27-2008, 06:47 AM
wow 600 on average for a good one, Ill sell those around here for 375 each to people just for free practice and a small bit of change, get good and then do mine =) Yea its kinda using other people but then they get FG for like half off so I dont feel bad about it

zierbox
02-27-2008, 09:56 AM
its a rip off for both to be honest. wood costs $25 for a box ur size. probably 150-200 for a glass box ur size. but factor in labor and ur gonna get screwed.id hope thats for glass but you never can tell.

its loud? well what else have you heard?

“So” Do you; Do your own Dental Work; “TOO”
Because it’s a Rip Off, maybe some Medical work on the side

iowaaurora
02-27-2008, 10:09 AM
wat tools will i need and never messed with paper
with glass how do i shape the box or design it

best place to learn fiberglass
http://www.fiberglassforums.com/


best place to buy
http://www.tccustomz.com/inc/sdetail/507

dannyz122001
02-27-2008, 12:02 PM
other good guides for glassing are the videos on CarAudioHelp.com. I paid like 30 bucks to get like 5 videos. Pretty good in FG area and then get into more detail with the projects but its good. As far as glassing itself goes, just get out there and do it. Its not that hard. The first box i ever made was fiberglass molded to the back of my truck with a fg front, and then painted (way too much sanding by the way). but not hard. be patient and dont rush it

Random1010
02-27-2008, 06:36 PM
“So” Do you; Do your own Dental Work; “TOO”
Because it’s a Rip Off, maybe some Medical work on the side

? are u telling me a fiberglass box for 4 15"s is worth $900? in my opinion..NO. is a mdf box for the same thing worth $500? no. but shops will charge it. whats wrong with me suggesting he builds it himself? sorry if im cutting into your profit

Worlddre
02-27-2008, 06:44 PM
“So” Do you; Do your own Dental Work; “TOO”
Because it’s a Rip Off, maybe some Medical work on the side


? are u telling me a fiberglass box for 4 15"s is worth $900? in my opinion..NO. is a mdf box for the same thing worth $500? no. but shops will charge it. whats wrong with me suggesting he builds it himself? sorry if im cutting into your profit

what he is trying to say is that what many people here call a rip off is how some of us make a living. Is a fiberglass enclosure for 4 15s worth 900 in materials hell no. But my time spent building it definately is considering that the majority of the money will go to wherever i work and not me.

Random1010
02-27-2008, 06:46 PM
what he is trying to say is that what many people here call a rip off is how some of us make a living. Is a fiberglass enclosure for 4 15s worth 900 in materials hell no. But my time spent building it definately is considering that the majority of the money will go to wherever i work and not me.

trust me i know the labor of building boxes..its my main source of income. but for a consumers point of view, $900 for a box is a ton of money.

Worlddre
02-27-2008, 06:55 PM
trust me i know the labor of building boxes..its my main source of income. but for a consumers point of view, $900 for a box is a ton of money.

yes it is alot of money but say it takes 4 days at 8hrs a day in most shops the shop take 60 pecent of that giving the person building that enclosure 360 before taxes which isnt much for the actual builder

zierbox
02-27-2008, 07:03 PM
So what is this Fiberglass Job Worth; only 2-8"

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7032.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7041.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7033.jpg

zierbox
02-27-2008, 07:05 PM
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7008.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7025.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7027.jpg

iamamp3pimp
02-27-2008, 07:12 PM
yes it sounds kinda hard i wish i could find someone to do it locally how much do fiberglass boxes usually go for

what part of FL

painted of covered in a vynil?

Random1010
02-27-2008, 07:15 PM
So what is this Fiberglass Job Worth; only 2-8"


i dont know. i dont appraise work done. if ur coming to me looking for an arguement you wont get one. you know full well that in a perfect world that box does not justify spending $600. im not saying it did. but as long as people will pay, people will build to that price. thats the nature of business. in the eyes of someone who builds can you honestly tell me what $900 for a glass box is a good price? not unless your the shop owner.

Worlddre
02-27-2008, 07:17 PM
i dont know. i dont appraise work done. if ur coming to me looking for an arguement you wont get one. you know full well that in a perfect world that box does not justify spending $600. im not saying it did. but as long as people will pay, people will build to that price. thats the nature of business. in the eyes of someone who builds can you honestly tell me what $900 for a glass box is a good price? not unless your the shop owner.

lets just say i have no problem charging that if i feel it is warranted

Random1010
02-27-2008, 07:20 PM
lets just say i have no problem charging that if i feel it is warranted

yes obviously. if i honestly feel i put $900 of effort into a box then **** right ill be expecting that much. but a lot of shops(especially around here) have people going to them, charging huge fees, and producing sub par work. if ur buying a top notch box then ya expect to pay a good amount. thats mainly what my issue is. people should realize the value of what theyre selling/buying

njaykaplan
03-02-2008, 12:24 PM
yes obviously. if i honestly feel i put $900 of effort into a box then **** right ill be expecting that much. but a lot of shops(especially around here) have people going to them, charging huge fees, and producing sub par work. if ur buying a top notch box then ya expect to pay a good amount. thats mainly what my issue is. people should realize the value of what theyre selling/buying

Theres a few shops here that'll charge 5-600 for a wood box.. and yeah around a grand for fiberglass for a pair of 12s. Lowest i'd ever be able to get a box there for is about 200.. and that'll take a lot of talking. Seen plenty of sub-par boxes sold for 300-400, as its mainly people not looking to compete, so they're never going to know.

dbornotdb
03-02-2008, 12:37 PM
zierbox.....I was looking at your site. Very nice work.



redfish8......what city are you located in?
I do alot of mailorder and traveling.

Bigrick31
03-02-2008, 12:51 PM
So what is this Fiberglass Job Worth; only 2-8"

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7032.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7041.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc19/zierbox/esc8w7033.jpg

what did you use to get that textured factory look? and what is the black stuff ont the back of the box?

dbornotdb
03-02-2008, 12:59 PM
Rick, there are a few different methods to get the textured look.

As for the black backside....could be a gelcoat used on the mold or just painted black after the mold was made.

Or maybe I am off.