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ivanfbi
01-23-2008, 04:18 PM
i need front stage, running off a 75W each, I would go with RSD, but they need more power, so what else is good?

jmanpc
01-23-2008, 04:19 PM
Pioneer REV comps

dman4486
01-23-2008, 04:19 PM
what size? resistance?

ivanfbi
01-23-2008, 04:25 PM
6.5 ohm running off front of a PG ZX475ti

Want good midbass, smooth tweets, and overall good sound

jmanpc
01-23-2008, 04:34 PM
Pioneer REV comps

qft

Thedeadly1
01-23-2008, 10:25 PM
blitz audio makes some really good stuff

Gary S
02-01-2008, 09:45 AM
Pioneer Rev.

DejaWiz
02-01-2008, 10:52 AM
Can't go wrong with Pioneer REVs off that kind of power.

grampi
02-01-2008, 11:35 AM
i need front stage, running off a 75W each, I would go with RSD, but they need more power, so what else is good?

Not really. Those should sound just fine off of 75 wrms.

DejaWiz
02-01-2008, 12:14 PM
Not really. Those should sound just fine off of 75 wrms.

Based on the numerous reviews, midbass might be a concern though, imo. Based off of that, I wouldn't recommend anything less than 2x120w rms.

grampi
02-01-2008, 01:28 PM
Based on the numerous reviews, midbass might be a concern though, imo. Based off of that, I wouldn't recommend anything less than 2x120w rms.

They're 60 watt speakers. 75 wrms should be fine unless he plans to listen to them at extremely high volume levels. If that's the case, then he might want more power to prevent amp clipping and to provide more headroom.

mapolley07
02-01-2008, 01:34 PM
my RSDs are getting 75-80 watts and they sound fine, i will be giving them more power come summer though.

i'm just never satisfied lol

DejaWiz
02-01-2008, 02:27 PM
They're 60 watt speakers. 75 wrms should be fine unless he plans to listen to them at extremely high volume levels. If that's the case, then he might want more power to prevent amp clipping and to provide more headroom.

The manufacturer usually lists rms in 2 ways: 1.) full range, or 2.) a conservative fail-safe when a HPF is used. Just as much as max watts is a useless rating, so is rms imo. I see it as merely a baseline.

grampi
02-01-2008, 02:42 PM
The manufacturer usually lists rms in 2 ways: 1.) full range, or 2.) a conservative fail-safe when a HPF is used. Just as much as max watts is a useless rating, so is rms imo. I see it as merely a baseline.

I agree 100%, but I've rarely ever seen speakers that actually REQUIRE 2 to 3 times their RMS rating in order to sound good. MOST speakers sound just fine feeding them anywhere from their RMS rating, to 1.5 times that rating.

DejaWiz
02-01-2008, 03:33 PM
I agree 100%, but I've rarely ever seen speakers that actually REQUIRE 2 to 3 times their RMS rating in order to sound good. MOST speakers sound just fine feeding them anywhere from their RMS rating, to 1.5 times that rating.

And I agree with you 100% here, but there are always exceptions to that rule of thumb. One being the RSd comps when trying to get the midbass potential out of them.

grampi
02-01-2008, 04:01 PM
And I agree with you 100% here, but there are always exceptions to that rule of thumb. One being the RSd comps when trying to get the midbass potential out of them.

True, but the RSD's will probably sound just as good midbass wise as any of the others that have been recommended on 75 wrms.

DejaWiz
02-01-2008, 06:53 PM
True, but the RSD's will probably sound just as good midbass wise as any of the others that have been recommended on 75 wrms.

Not according to the numerous reviews across numerous forums.

tcguy85
02-01-2008, 07:16 PM
Based on the numerous reviews, midbass might be a concern though, imo. Based off of that, I wouldn't recommend anything less than 2x120w rms.

yea, i have about 225 per side of active power on mine currently. soon to be about 275 per side. they do like lots of power but might sound ok for the average guy with only 75 watts per side.

right now my mids are on my zx550.2, so 205 on tap for them, and the tweeters are run off my HU so only about 22 watts on tap. soon i'll have a zx200.2 on the tweeters, so about 70 per side. they get **** loud and don't complain.

CrossFired
02-02-2008, 12:43 AM
Pioneer REV comps

2nd that! but FYI 75 watts rms is just fine for any 6.5 two way.

The wattage rating is to let you know, the most you should feed the speakers and not what is needed.:)

tcguy85
02-02-2008, 12:52 AM
i'll have my RSD's running active on a DD S4 pretty darn soon. so thats 200 per mid, and 100 per tweeter. i'll have plenty of room/power for upgrades later on.

DejaWiz
02-02-2008, 01:31 AM
The wattage rating is to let you know, the most you should feed the speakers and not what is needed.

Please elaborate.

grampi
02-02-2008, 07:41 AM
The wattage rating is to let you know, the most you should feed the speakers and not what is needed.:)

Where'd you come up with that?????:confused:

grampi
02-02-2008, 07:47 AM
i'll have my RSD's running active on a DD S4 pretty darn soon. so thats 200 per mid, and 100 per tweeter. i'll have plenty of room/power for upgrades later on.

I can't believe how much power some of you guys are pushing these RSD's with. I'm suprised you're not blowing them. I don't think ANY speakers are meant to be run with 3 times their RMS rating or more. I could see running them with 100 or even 150 wrms, but any more than that you're probably just shortening the life of the speakers. There is such as thing as too much power.

tcguy85
02-02-2008, 08:18 AM
I can't believe how much power some of you guys are pushing these RSD's with. I'm suprised you're not blowing them. I don't think ANY speakers are meant to be run with 3 times their RMS rating or more. I could see running them with 100 or even 150 wrms, but any more than that you're probably just shortening the life of the speakers. There is such as thing as too much power.

well just because i have the power doesn't mean i am using it all. i think most of the time when i have my music really cranked my mids are seeing about 80 each and the tweeters maybe 10-15 each. headroom FTW!!

grampi
02-02-2008, 08:52 AM
well just because i have the power doesn't mean i am using it all. i think most of the time when i have my music really cranked my mids are seeing about 80 each and the tweeters maybe 10-15 each. headroom FTW!!

Some people get a little carried away with the headroom thing. You don't need 4 times the RMS rating to get headroom. That's overkill. You're also wasting money buying more powerful amps than you need.

DejaWiz
02-02-2008, 12:35 PM
Some people get a little carried away with the headroom thing. You don't need 4 times the RMS rating to get headroom. That's overkill. You're also wasting money buying more powerful amps than you need.

Ah but... 80w rms during music when the gains are set to 160-200w rms. When the gains are set to 60-75w rms, the speakers will only be getting about 25-40w rms during music playback.

tcguy85
02-02-2008, 05:25 PM
Ah but... 80w rms during music when the gains are set to 160-200w rms. When the gains are set to 60-75w rms, the speakers will only be etting about 25-40w rms during music playback.

if you want a speaker to see 75 then get an amp that does 150. i like ot have lots of headroom. one thing to also think about is that most companies rate thier amps at 14.4 volts. so if you aren't getting 14.4 then you aren't getting all the power you think you are.

CrossFired
02-02-2008, 07:43 PM
Whats all the yap about headroom? Headroom is not using 80 watts on a 200 watt amp.

Headroom is is the ability of an amp to produce more power than its rms rating for a short burst.

One of my LinearPower amps is rated at 75 watts rms and will produce over 300 watts for a short burst, about 6db of headroom. FYI.

CrossFired
02-02-2008, 07:49 PM
Please elaborate.

Elaborate?? How? If the woofer states 100 watts rms, The maker is letting you know that you can feed the woofer 100 watts rms all day long with no problems, such as over heating and working the spider/surround to death.:)

tcguy85
02-02-2008, 09:21 PM
Whats all the yap about headroom? Headroom is not using 80 watts on a 200 watt amp.

Headroom is is the ability of an amp to produce more power than its rms rating for a short burst.

One of my LinearPower amps is rated at 75 watts rms and will produce over 300 watts for a short burst, about 6db of headroom. FYI.

incorrect! that is not what headroom is. headroom is having more power than you'll ever use so you'll never stress the amp and possibly clip the signal. what you're talking about is rms vs peak power. i'd rather use a 150 watt amp to drive 75 watts into my speakers than use a 75 watt amp to drive 75 watts into my speakers and be stressing the amp and being right on the edge of clipping. thats what headroom is all about. just cause i'll have 300 watts per side on tap doesn't mean i am going to use it and that is the way i wanted it.

also.... say down the road i upgrade and i get drivers that are 6 or 8 ohm, i'll still have enough power for them as well. a lot of high end tweeters are 8 ohm, so even 50 watts will be more than enough for them. so it's also planning ahead.

end of rant.

tcguy85
02-02-2008, 09:25 PM
Elaborate?? How? If the woofer states 100 watts rms, The maker is letting you know that you can feed the woofer 100 watts rms all day long with no problems, such as over heating and working the spider/surround to death.:)

it seems a lot of companies are being on the safe side with their ratings so they don't have to warranty anything if the customer blows them. take for example the AQ HD3 or HDC3. they rate them at 1000 watts rms don't they? people are running 2-3k some even more on them and they don't mind it.

i know for a fact that when i have my volume up pretty high my mids alone are seeing a good 75 watts each(thats with no passive crossover or tweeter to soak up power as well), maybe a tad more at times. they are taking it just fine.

grampi
02-05-2008, 08:23 AM
incorrect! that is not what headroom is. headroom is having more power than you'll ever use so you'll never stress the amp and possibly clip the signal. what you're talking about is rms vs peak power. i'd rather use a 150 watt amp to drive 75 watts into my speakers than use a 75 watt amp to drive 75 watts into my speakers and be stressing the amp and being right on the edge of clipping. thats what headroom is all about. just cause i'll have 300 watts per side on tap doesn't mean i am going to use it and that is the way i wanted it.

also.... say down the road i upgrade and i get drivers that are 6 or 8 ohm, i'll still have enough power for them as well. a lot of high end tweeters are 8 ohm, so even 50 watts will be more than enough for them. so it's also planning ahead.

end of rant.

I don't think anyone will disagree with, but pushing 75 watts from a 75 watt amp, you do realize in order to do that you'd basically have to be listening to your system at full volume all the time? I don't know about you, but I never listen to my system that loud. ever.

tcguy85
02-05-2008, 08:53 AM
I don't think anyone will disagree with, but pushing 75 watts from a 75 watt amp, you do realize in order to do that you'd basically have to be listening to your system at full volume all the time? I don't know about you, but I never listen to my system that loud. ever.

all i know is that i am pushing more than 75 watts to mine 75% of the time. if i only had a 75 watt amp i'd be in trouble.

grampi
02-05-2008, 11:17 AM
all i know is that i am pushing more than 75 watts to mine 75% of the time. if i only had a 75 watt amp i'd be in trouble.

Sounds like your hearing isn't going to last much longer.

BringDaBoom
02-05-2008, 11:50 AM
What's your budget. For some bad a$$ comps look into Morel, Hertz, JL C5's

ivanfbi
02-07-2008, 05:11 AM
nah, I actually got the RSDs, we'll see how they will play oof 75W (conservative, the PG ZXti amps are supposedly underrated)

tcguy85
02-07-2008, 08:49 AM
Sounds like your hearing isn't going to last much longer.

it gets pretty loud, but i don't listen to it THAT loud. not loud enough for long enough to cause hearing damage.