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nismos14
01-10-2008, 09:52 AM
Doesn't make sense to me, and the nomenclature suggests it should actually be 890prs if there is to be a new version, but even on the website it mentions this, is that a typo?

Can anyone confirm?

pellis
01-10-2008, 10:09 AM
i think pioneer went with 00 for the 08yr.

Flipx99
01-10-2008, 10:13 AM
I see this: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Source/CD-Players/FH-P800BT

But not the model you mention.

nismos14
01-10-2008, 10:21 AM
then it should be a DEH-P900prs no? Anyways here is what I have seen:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/CES/Welcome+to+Pioneer+CES+2008

Go to the bold "Premier Reference Series", read that ¶.

theCybe
01-10-2008, 10:22 AM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/CES/Welcome+to+Pioneer+CES+2008

I'm pretty interested in the true-black displays. Wonder how they did that. Individual backlight pixels?

Beat me to it, Niz.

Flipx99
01-10-2008, 11:50 AM
I gotcha..

I am thinking it is a typo. That componet set isn't new, but it looks as the PRS-A900 is new

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/25/29/182/PRS-A900/index.html

ZEUSGT
01-10-2008, 12:05 PM
I don't see the DEH-P800prs on thier website... but I did hear a rumor that they are going to discontinue the DEH-P880PRS last year. I still see that H.U on thier website and I hope that they don't discontinue that H.U or they improve it with a newer model.

nismos14
01-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Ya hopefully a DEH-P890 is coming soon..

na_rsx
01-10-2008, 12:08 PM
boo, i love my 880

nismos14
01-10-2008, 12:13 PM
Stick with it then Juanito!! lol.............

Flipx99
01-10-2008, 01:07 PM
I can't really think of many improvements besides QA.

nismos14
01-10-2008, 01:09 PM
More adjustability in the slope of the mid and tweet, like an up to 36db slope, bandpass on the low output.

Flipx99
01-10-2008, 01:11 PM
While I wouldn't complain if it had those feature, I don't really have a need to bandpass the lows, but there is a guy on DIYMA who does, iirc

nismos14
01-10-2008, 01:14 PM
If I was still ported I would want that on the low output.

Flipx99
01-10-2008, 01:15 PM
What amp doesn't have an SSF?

nismos14
01-10-2008, 01:18 PM
Quite a few. Mtx 2300x, Arc 2500xxk didn't as well. Actually no amp that I've ever owned has had one.

Flipx99
01-10-2008, 01:29 PM
I didn't consider those who did the two channel bridged kinda thing.

Actually the ability to bandpass the low would be very helpful if I ever went subless 3way active frontstage

(HAT L8 or Dyn8) (profi 4" or HAt 4") (cal27 or cal28)

midrange/tweeter in the kicks, 'subs' in the doors.

nismos14
01-10-2008, 01:31 PM
Yup exactly.

CrossFired
01-10-2008, 02:48 PM
What amp doesn't have an SSF?

Dont need one if your running an 880! I just turn the 20hz eq band all the way down.:greedy:

JimJ
01-10-2008, 02:52 PM
What amp doesn't have an SSF?

A lot...

I'm a fan of amps that have no internal filters, who needs 'em in the amp :)

Flipx99
01-10-2008, 02:54 PM
A lot...

I'm a fan of amps that have no internal filters, who needs 'em in the amp :)

I am on four channels.

bryan0101
01-11-2008, 09:11 PM
backup to the topic...what is heck is a DEH-P800PRS? I'm still waiting for a 880prs successor.....

..man I got a pair of Morel mid, and seas Neo high. a Arc amp, and Audison 65w amp for high, all waiting to go into the car....except the d4mn HU.

Tonyguy
01-14-2008, 01:20 AM
backup to the topic...what is heck is a DEH-P800PRS? I'm still waiting for a 880prs successor.....

..man I got a pair of Morel mid, and seas Neo high. a Arc amp, and Audison 65w amp for high, all waiting to go into the car....except the d4mn HU.

The DEH-P800PRS is the replacement model for the 880, but it looks almost exactly the same and from what i've read, they've just added a copper chassis and USB input. Any other ?s on it can ask 6spdcoupe as he's taken pictures at CES and posted them on DIYMA.

nismos14
01-14-2008, 09:22 AM
Are you sure its the 800prs? The CD7200 MKII added copper chassis for sure, and I wasn't able to find any info on the 800prs...

Towncar
01-14-2008, 04:34 PM
Are you sure its the 800prs? The CD7200 MKII added copper chassis for sure, and I wasn't able to find any info on the 800prs...

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28531

nismos14
01-14-2008, 05:24 PM
Just saw that :)

Towncar
01-14-2008, 06:26 PM
I never had any grounding issues, but the copper cage should help with grounding.. I like the knobs better, as they seem more strudy, and are crome.. Im anxtious to see what else crossover wise it will have.. Appears to be the same for the most part, minus the knobs, and usb..

nismos14
01-14-2008, 07:08 PM
I never had any grounding issues, but the copper cage should help with grounding.. I like the knobs better, as they seem more strudy, and are crome.. Im anxtious to see what else crossover wise it will have.. Appears to be the same for the most part, minus the knobs, and usb..

I don't know about the. The ground issue is an internal fuse problem.

Towncar
01-14-2008, 08:02 PM
True, but the extra grounding ability may help.. Although ive never had that problem with pioneer decks..

nismos14
01-15-2008, 12:43 AM
I'm just curious why it would help with the issue?

UCF52
01-23-2008, 12:42 PM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Source/CD-Players/DEH-P800PRS?tab=A

Pioneer updated their site...

My only gripe is that &%$!#^&%#^!%*^* gold "Premier" badge. I wish they would have completely removed that or made it silver or black.

nismos14
01-23-2008, 12:48 PM
Looks sick though. The gold doesn't bother me.

Flipx99
01-23-2008, 12:53 PM
Curious what the differences are?

I did the "compare"

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/portal/site/PUSA/template.PRODUCT_COMPARISON/?vgnextoid=f6910c8a81ed4110VgnVCM1000002567a8c0RCR D

UCF52
01-23-2008, 12:55 PM
Looks sick though. The gold doesn't bother me.

It is definitely a sweet looking HU. I wish they had more pics, though. Mainly one or two showing the black face with the white illumination.

I am in the market for a new HU capable of 3-way active, I may just have to scoop one of these up.

Flipx99
01-23-2008, 12:57 PM
So does it come with the copper chasis after all?

Troydb
01-23-2008, 12:57 PM
It is definitely a sweet looking HU. I wish they had more pics, though. Mainly one or two showing the black face with the white illumination.

I am in the market for a new HU capable of 3-way active, I may just have to scoop one of these up.

x2, the black is the stealth sexerz!!

Flipx99
01-23-2008, 01:01 PM
owner's manual not up yet.

nismos14
01-23-2008, 01:06 PM
Yup copper chassis it says right in the description, hd ready, black face, not too many differences, but sweet non the less, I want it.

Flipx99
01-23-2008, 01:08 PM
Yup copper chassis it says right in the description, hd ready, black face, not too many differences, but sweet non the less, I want it.

Hmm...

I dunno if it is worth the jump....

HD ready would still require the other box, no?

The owner's manual link is broken.

CrossFired
01-23-2008, 01:20 PM
WTF? A $100. more for a black face! and still no USB! SAD!

nismos14
01-23-2008, 01:24 PM
Yea i know i know ... still I like this one better, hope it doesn't have the pico fuse issue though... but I'm sure it will

nismos14
01-23-2008, 01:27 PM
Btw who pays msrp? :)

UCF52
01-23-2008, 01:38 PM
Hmm...

I dunno if it is worth the jump....

HD ready would still require the other box, no?

The owner's manual link is broken.

Yea, but I don't see it under the accessories, hmm, maybe they meant to say built-in. And I thought this one would have a USB. Although I really don't care for the USB.


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/ucf52/800.jpg


Looks so much better without the badge...

Flipx99
01-23-2008, 02:55 PM
I hope it has USB but do not see anything indicating that it does.

UCF52
01-23-2008, 03:05 PM
I hope it has USB but do not see anything indicating that it does.

I thought I remember hearing that it does, but I don't see it on the site either. I will not jump to conclusions until the manuel is released.

I don't understand why they wouldn't release everything at one time. Why do they do pics first, then some general specs, and then finally the correct full spec sheet. All it does is throw people off until everything has been released.

Flipx99
01-23-2008, 03:10 PM
I thought I remember hearing that it does, but I don't see it on the site either. I will not jump to conclusions until the manuel is released.

I don't understand why they wouldn't release everything at one time. Why do they do pics first, then some general specs, and then finally the correct full spec sheet. All it does is throw people off until everything has been released.

They are gheys,

UCF52
01-23-2008, 04:23 PM
They are gheys,

lol

germanyt
01-23-2008, 07:42 PM
I see an 800 and an 880. ????? The 880 looks better.

nismos14
01-23-2008, 07:55 PM
UH ya.. the 880 has been out for over 2 years.

UCF52
01-24-2008, 12:28 AM
The 880 looks better.

Subjective. I like the black face a lot.

clbolt
01-24-2008, 12:44 AM
Subjective. I like the black face a lot.

I agree. I'm an old-school guy from when most of the decks were black. My first was an Alpine 7903.

UCF52
01-24-2008, 05:35 PM
BTW, the 880 has been removed from Pioneer's site.

nismos14
01-24-2008, 05:37 PM
Odd...

nismos14
01-24-2008, 05:47 PM
It's still there just not in the listings

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/DIN/DEH-P880PRS

ultimate157
01-24-2008, 06:01 PM
They do that with all retired models. They have a nice archive too :)

kidwolf909
01-26-2008, 02:34 AM
I'm pretty sure that the 800 should have built in USB. From CES pics of it, there was USB displayed on the little blurb about the 800. I sure as **** hope it has built in USB, that's the make or break for me, to be honest :(

I use my jump drive with my 6900 90% of the time... I neeeeeed it to be there! Lol... I want the 800 real bad :p:

Babs
01-29-2008, 11:26 AM
Probably already listed somewhere but got this from a link on audiojunkies.. Whata great site by the way:
http://blog.sounddomain.com/gadget/2008/01/pioneer-isnt-me.html#more

Quoting:

The DEH-P800PRS is the replacement for the DEH-P880PRS. This is one of the premier decks for the high end car audio guy who wants to run a full active system (all crossovers built into the head unit instead of using the passive crossovers you would get with a set of component speakers). The new model includes new cosmetics and also adds the ability to play media through a USB port.

From Audiojunkies:
http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1021/pioneer-premier-highend-car-audio-2008
Pioneer DEH-P800PRS Headunit Features:

* Copper plated chassis
* Linear DA converter
* 3 high-volt pre-outs
* HD Radio
* USB input
* Auto-EQ and Auto-Time Alignment
* Dual (L/R) 16-Band Graphic EQ
* Burr-Brown DACs
* Suggested Price: $550.00

.... So basically, we've added a copper chassis, gone to the dark side with the faceplate, added a USB input (yay!), and kept or possibly slightly improved the DACs...

uh.... Yeah.. I want one.. Thanks! Reason over the 9887.... USB.. Get those stinking discs out of my dadgum car!! Rip it lossless and play it.. if it will support lossless formats.

UCF52
01-29-2008, 11:51 AM
Is there any advantage of using the USB input as opposed to an iPod?

Babs
01-29-2008, 12:00 PM
I'd guess you're guaranteeing a digital input into the 800's processing and DAC's.. A biggie I'd think.

Thumb drives I imagine are far less expensive than any iPod for the same amount of data storage... They're just providing digital storage and transfer so they're simple and cheap. Flash or HD drives either.

caveat... I may be wrong about that.. just a guess that they're lots cheaper than typical iPods.

When you think about it... The iPod is just a proprietary small portable storage device with all the licensing and protocols needed to access and control them.. And from what I've read it's darn near impossible to get digital from them without going through their cheap output stage even if the wolfson dac's are ok... Verses something that just acts like another hard drive like a USB drive.

Babs
01-29-2008, 12:04 PM
Seems like I'm seeing more and more new head units going USB instead of catering to Apple's one player on the market in a sea of hundreds of portable digital data storage devices the size of a lighter.

Flipx99
01-29-2008, 12:05 PM
I have been wanting to hear about the USB for a while.

I do have a few questions about USB in particular.

1. What is the largest HD one could use? I guess you would have to get a power inverter for it?
2. How do you rip a CD so that it has the same quality as a CD. I assume this is what you mean by lossless and FLAC. What is a good program for this? How much megabytes is on a CD?

UCF52
01-29-2008, 12:11 PM
I'm just curious, because I already have an iPod, what method of input would deliver a better playback... USB or iPod?

Babs
01-29-2008, 12:22 PM
I'm just curious, because I already have an iPod, what method of input would deliver a better playback... USB or iPod?

Ok.. I'm a newb and will admit that freely upfront.. with humility if there's an expert that needs to correct my ignorant butt... so.. having said that.... :D

The thing I've read (meaning I'm not positive but fairly sure) is that iPods will only transfer an analog signal to the iPod connectors on these head units... That means it uses the iPods fair but not stellar internal DAC's and output stage preamp (which stinks)... Redwine Audio talks about the mods that can improve that on a side note.

With a digital only USB stick or drive... It's one thing out... 1's and 0's of pure digital into the head unit... Therefore the snazzy burr-browns and DSP SQ tuning setup of a good head unit is where the signal is processed ONLY.. Not in the drive source upfront.... Eliminates multiple D/A then A/D then D/A conversions.. ie better SQ (I would believe).

Some might say the difference is negligable... Then why bother with nice burr brown dac's anyway or nicer grade preamp stages that feed out from a head unit or processor? Simple... It's cleaner... it does infact sound SIGNIFICANTLY better... Reason the DRZ is still alive and kicking.. Thankfully.

If there was a way I could feed digital in multiple formats from a USB drive to the DRZ, I'd be happier than a pig in poop to save up for one at full boat retail. :D

..... Additional.. I thought I read somewhere that an iPod can be configured to "Act" like an external USB hard drive... I don't know for sure about that though. Just a thought.

Babs
01-29-2008, 12:34 PM
I have been wanting to hear about the USB for a while.

I do have a few questions about USB in particular.

1. What is the largest HD one could use? I guess you would have to get a power inverter for it?
2. How do you rip a CD so that it has the same quality as a CD. I assume this is what you mean by lossless and FLAC. What is a good program for this? How much megabytes is on a CD?

1. ... don't know... I'll guess probably the same or maybe a little better specs than the 775 had.. maybe 4 GB possibly?

2. ... good software?? dunno as well as I haven't been ripping from CD's for a while and I'm sure the names have changed as to what does a good job... "Lossless" means (to me.. and I could be wrong) uncompressed or without degradation or loss of digital information per time-frame.. In over-simplified terms, getting all the 1's and 0's from the CD possible over to stored files.

How many MB's per CD.. This I should know.. A typical CD-Rom is roughly just under 700 mb's of data but I don't remember if that's with or without the error correction algorithm.

Thought there was a great thread in here somewhere about portable drives that could probably answer these better.

UCF52
01-29-2008, 12:42 PM
Ok.. I'm a newb and will admit that freely upfront.. with humility if there's an expert that needs to correct my ignorant butt... so.. having said that.... :D

The thing I've read (meaning I'm not positive but fairly sure) is that iPods will only transfer an analog signal to the iPod connectors on these head units... That means it uses the iPods fair but not stellar internal DAC's and output stage preamp (which stinks)... Redwine Audio talks about the mods that can improve that on a side note.

With a digital only USB stick or drive... It's one thing out... 1's and 0's of pure digital into the head unit... Therefore the snazzy burr-browns and DSP SQ tuning setup of a good head unit is where the signal is processed ONLY.. Not in the drive source upfront.... Eliminates multiple D/A then A/D then D/A conversions.. ie better SQ (I would believe).

Some might say the difference is negligable... Then why bother with nice burr brown dac's anyway or nicer grade preamp stages that feed out from a head unit or processor? Simple... It's cleaner... it does infact sound SIGNIFICANTLY better... Reason the DRZ is still alive and kicking.. Thankfully.

If there was a way I could feed digital in multiple formats from a USB drive to the DRZ, I'd be happier than a pig in poop to save up for one at full boat retail. :D

..... Additional.. I thought I read somewhere that an iPod can be configured to "Act" like an external USB hard drive... I don't know for sure about that though. Just a thought.

Hmm, I did read that if you are using the AUX port for an MP3 player playback that you are using the DAC's in the mp3 player. However, if you are using an iPod that is connected via the sync port that the files are converted via the head units DAC's...

Flipx99
01-29-2008, 12:46 PM
There is a concurrent thread at diyma discussing the same thing.

I learned I have no use for the 800, as USB is supported in the 880 (which I don't think many people knew)...

nismos14
01-29-2008, 12:51 PM
It is WITH an adapter.

Flipx99
01-29-2008, 12:53 PM
It is WITH an adapter.

Yeah, but I was thinking for the people like me who was gonna flood the classifieds with 880s because they didn't know the 880 could support USB with an adapter.

nismos14
01-29-2008, 12:57 PM
Lol true.

I think I wanna get a 800, and keep my 9887 just in case. I liked my 880, noise issues though.

Flipx99
01-29-2008, 01:00 PM
Lol true.

I think I wanna get a 800, and keep my 9887 just in case. I liked my 880, noise issues though.

I didn't have the issue with mine. It turns out my gl was caused by only completing a portion of the big 3. Once I grounded neg to alt case, it went away.


I am trying to determine if one could hardwire a portable hard drive and use it....also trying to determine if I can use the IP-BUS input on my xm radio adapter for this USB device.

nismos14
01-29-2008, 05:40 PM
I didn't have the alt whine either, it was other noise issues which went away with my 9887.

chevy_man
01-31-2008, 05:16 PM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Source/CD-Players/DEH-P800PRS

nismos14
01-31-2008, 05:26 PM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Source/CD-Players/DEH-P800PRS


:confused:

kidwolf909
02-02-2008, 02:25 AM
So when the HELL is it being released for sale!?! I've emailed Pioneer several times inquiring and haven't heard back :(

Not to mention, my product exchange is pending with them right now and I REALLY want the 800, but the guy taking care of me said he doesn't know when it's coming out and they like to settle complaints within 30 days, which is just not gonna happen if they try to replace my 6900UB with a HU that doesn't have USB input (880/980 that they offered :()

Anyone?

zeuolaxxx
02-02-2008, 11:54 AM
Hey guys I read the all threat but the P800prs is going to be better than the 880prs? I read both specification and it is all the same ??!?!?!

kidwolf909
02-02-2008, 01:44 PM
Hey guys I read the all threat but the P800prs is going to be better than the 880prs? I read both specification and it is all the same ??!?!?!

Pioneer is just lazy and have yet to update their website. They just copied the 880's specs straight over. The 800 is supposed to have USB input, while retaining/bettering it's sound quality and adjustments. I also has a copper chassis :eek:

Who needs that, but still :D

DjiNN
02-06-2008, 01:44 AM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Source/CD-Players/DEH-P800PRS

Nice black unit ..

chucku
02-16-2008, 08:47 PM
Lol true.

I think I wanna get a 800, and keep my 9887 just in case. I liked my 880, noise issues though.

The noise issue is probabily a blown micro fuse in the HU. It happened to mine. Once fixed its one helluva HU. Get it fixed and never look back.

nismos14
02-16-2008, 09:11 PM
The noise issue is probabily a blown micro fuse in the HU. It happened to mine. Once fixed its one helluva HU. Get it fixed and never look back.

I'm well experienced in the blown pico fuse, however that was not the issue.

Dingleberry
02-17-2008, 03:52 AM
Not much difference between the two .. Besides the color. At least the ones who don't own an 880 can buy the 800 now.

BloWNMind
02-26-2008, 12:10 AM
uh.... Yeah.. I want one.. Thanks! Reason over the 9887.... USB.. Get those stinking discs out of my dadgum car!! Rip it lossless and play it.. if it will support lossless formats.

It supports wav, thats lossless.

pickup1
02-26-2008, 12:21 AM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Source/CD-Players

kidwolf909
02-26-2008, 01:57 AM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Source/CD-Players

Care to elaborate?

Trey803
02-26-2008, 02:00 AM
man I want that black one so bad now....seriously

nismos14
02-26-2008, 09:12 AM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/CarAudioVideo/Source/CD-Players

:rolleyes::mad::crap:

UCF52
02-26-2008, 10:20 AM
Alright, this thing has to have USB built-in. I just put up the 6,5,4 thousand series on our wall and they all have the built in USB pigtail (with an extender). Why won't Pioneer update their site?... Half of their specs all still refer to the unit as the 880...

BloWNMind
02-26-2008, 10:40 AM
Cuz they hate you.:)

UCF52
02-26-2008, 10:46 AM
Cuz they hate you.:)

I think they might.

BloWNMind
02-26-2008, 05:53 PM
Looks like they removed it now, maybe their working on it as I type.

UCF52
02-26-2008, 07:51 PM
Looks like they removed it now, maybe their working on it as I type.

I just checked, seems the same as before... there is still 880 in the literature...hmm

mikey7182
02-26-2008, 08:01 PM
So when the HELL is it being released for sale!?! I've emailed Pioneer several times inquiring and haven't heard back :(

Not to mention, my product exchange is pending with them right now and I REALLY want the 800, but the guy taking care of me said he doesn't know when it's coming out and they like to settle complaints within 30 days, which is just not gonna happen if they try to replace my 6900UB with a HU that doesn't have USB input (880/980 that they offered :()

Anyone?

Mid to End of March according to my rep. Probably end of March more realistically.

UCF52- The only real differences, besides the color of course, is the copper plated chassis, the ability to use bluetooth (with optional adapter) and something called "ASR" or "Advanced Sound Retriever." I would assume ASR does something like get the most SQ out of bad recordings or old recordings, similar to a BBE Enhancer like Alpine uses. Most of those things are usually more hype than anything in my experience. The bluetooth and copper chassis will be sweet though.

UCF52
02-26-2008, 08:08 PM
Mid to End of March according to my rep. Probably end of March more realistically.

UCF52- The only real differences, besides the color of course, is the copper plated chassis, the ability to use bluetooth (with optional adapter) and something called "ASR" or "Advanced Sound Retriever." I would assume ASR does something like get the most SQ out of bad recordings or old recordings, similar to a BBE Enhancer like Alpine uses. Most of those things are usually more hype than anything in my experience. The bluetooth and copper chassis will be sweet though.

What's the word about USB? It's not something I am particularly interested in, but I know many other are...

If you don't mind me asking where do you work? If you don't want to post it here you can PM me.

nismos14
02-26-2008, 08:42 PM
Mid to End of March according to my rep. Probably end of March more realistically.

UCF52- The only real differences, besides the color of course, is the copper plated chassis, the ability to use bluetooth (with optional adapter) and something called "ASR" or "Advanced Sound Retriever." I would assume ASR does something like get the most SQ out of bad recordings or old recordings, similar to a BBE Enhancer like Alpine uses. Most of those things are usually more hype than anything in my experience. The bluetooth and copper chassis will be sweet though.

It already has BBE though..

krisfnbz
02-26-2008, 09:00 PM
I tell you guys... I will be using this head unit with my install when I buy my new 2008 civic...that unit looks REALLY nice...MUCH better than the silver version.

I just hope it has USB... without the freakin adapter...I dont want to buy a $100 piece to add onto it. I wonder what my accommidation will be on it when its released.

Man I cant get over how nice it looks in black.

Macklessdaddy
02-26-2008, 10:27 PM
I tell you guys... I will be using this head unit with my install when I buy my new 2008 civic...that unit looks REALLY nice...MUCH better than the silver version.

I just hope it has USB... without the freakin adapter...I dont want to buy a $100 piece to add onto it. I wonder what my accommidation will be on it when its released.

Man I cant get over how nice it looks in black.

Pioneer's site has been updated with the 800's info and it will need the 100 dollar adapter for usb,which i have read is horrible.

nismos14
02-26-2008, 10:49 PM
F USB, F PIONEER, lol.

UCF52
02-26-2008, 11:24 PM
Pioneer's site has been updated with the 800's info and it will need the 100 dollar adapter for usb,which i have read is horrible.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/ucf52/untitled.jpg

I wouldn't say it is updated quite yet. I think they changed some of the headliner info, but I would be willing to bet that they copy 'n pasted the specs over from the 880.

The only reason I think USB is built-in is because the lower end units (i.e 3,4,5 thousand) come with a USB pigtail and then an extender.

kidwolf909
02-26-2008, 11:52 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u197/ucf52/untitled.jpg

I wouldn't say it is updated quite yet. I think they changed some of the headliner info, but I would be willing to bet that they copy 'n pasted the specs over from the 880.

The only reason I think USB is built-in is because the lower end units (i.e 3,4,5 thousand) come with a USB pigtail and then an extender.

I just don't get it, why don't any of you ever look at the pictures? Click more images, there's a picture of the back of the unit, there is NO USB pigtail, extender, port, anything. Check it out for yourself. Believe me, I wish it had USB built-in, but I REALLY don't think it does.

krisfnbz
02-27-2008, 12:29 AM
Pioneer's site has been updated with the 800's info and it will need the 100 dollar adapter for usb,which i have read is horrible.

Then I probably wont be buying the adapter.(Unless its pretty cheap) which is probably wont be.

Reguardless Im probably going to end up buying the unit. I wouldnt however if I was paying retail.

UCF52
02-27-2008, 12:35 AM
I just don't get it, why don't any of you ever look at the pictures? Click more images, there's a picture of the back of the unit, there is NO USB pigtail, extender, port, anything. Check it out for yourself. Believe me, I wish it had USB built-in, but I REALLY don't think it does.

Ah, I never new the new pics of the rear were up. Yea, surprisingly I am now convinced there will be no built-in USB... that *****.

kidwolf909
02-27-2008, 04:21 AM
Ah, I never new the new pics of the rear were up. Yea, surprisingly I am now convinced there will be no built-in USB... that *****.

Yea... I hate Pioneer for that. And the adapter for the IP-Bus is $100 online... awesome right?

UCF52
02-27-2008, 10:41 AM
Yea... I hate Pioneer for that. And the adapter for the IP-Bus is $100 online... awesome right?

Yea, that really *****. I cannot believe they would do that.

krisfnbz
02-27-2008, 11:35 AM
Yea... I hate Pioneer for that. And the adapter for the IP-Bus is $100 online... awesome right?

Well if its $100 online, someone might sell it on here for like $80, and I could prob get it for like $60.... so I might think about buyin it but probably not. I have no prob with Cd'...unless they are bad quality.

nismos14
02-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Yea, that really *****. I cannot believe they would do that.

Why not? People are still gonna buy it, and then they will buy the add-on. More profit for the company, smart business decision.

UCF52
02-27-2008, 12:47 PM
Why not? People are still gonna buy it, and then they will buy the add-on. More profit for the company, smart business decision.

The idea is smart for them, but the fact that it is standard on a lot of the low end models just makes me think

nismos14
02-27-2008, 01:07 PM
Could be no room to put it in the chassis with all of the processing thats built in....

UCF52
02-27-2008, 01:44 PM
Could be no room to put it in the chassis with all of the processing thats built in....

That could be true... they should have gone dead head :D

nismos14
02-27-2008, 01:52 PM
^ agreed. Nice thing is though, you can run the tweets of the front speaker outs in a pinch if need be :)

UCF52
02-27-2008, 02:12 PM
^ agreed. Nice thing is though, you can run the tweets of the front speaker outs in a pinch if need be :)

True. Also anybody that would like to use rear fill (SUV owners) can use the internal amp.

nismos14
02-27-2008, 02:32 PM
Yessir :)


I love my 9887 but this hu looks so hot... :(

UCF52
02-27-2008, 02:40 PM
Yessir :)


I love my 9887 but this hu looks so hot... :(

Yea, for me it looks like it will be between the 800 and the 7200. Each have their perks, but the 800 looks so much better and is a little more intuitive (i.e. menu navigation and dual rotary knobs). The conflicting factor for me is I can get the 7200 nearly 60% off if/when they get released. It will definitely be a tough decision for me.

krisfnbz
02-27-2008, 02:44 PM
Yea, for me it looks like it will be between the 800 and the 7200. Each have their perks, but the 800 looks so much better and is a little more intuitive (i.e. menu navigation and dual rotary knobs). The conflicting factor for me is I can get the 7200 nearly 60% off if/when they get released. It will definitely be a tough decision for me.

Ill be able to get the Pioneer 45% off when it is released, however I will have no need for it until I get my new civic....so that could be 3-6 months... so eh...

krisfnbz
02-27-2008, 02:46 PM
Yessir :)


I love my 9887 but this hu looks so hot... :(


Im going to end up swapping out my 9883 for the 9887 in the car and setup that I have now...Probably going to run my fronts active(thats what people here have been telling me to do for better SQ)...

I think the new 800 would look really nice in the newer civic, especially because of the black faceplate instead of silver.

nismos14
02-27-2008, 02:48 PM
Yea, for me it looks like it will be between the 800 and the 7200. Each have their perks, but the 800 looks so much better and is a little more intuitive (i.e. menu navigation and dual rotary knobs). The conflicting factor for me is I can get the 7200 nearly 60% off if/when they get released. It will definitely be a tough decision for me.

Absolutely hated my CD7100's (both of'em had the same problems [one came was a replacement for the first]) but I did LOVE my 880prs.


Ill be able to get the Pioneer 45% off when it is released, however I will have no need for it until I get my new civic....so that could be 3-6 months... so eh...

Hmm get me one? :D


Im going to end up swapping out my 9883 for the 9887 in the car and setup that I have now...Probably going to run my fronts active(thats what people here have been telling me to do for better SQ)...

I think the new 800 would look really nice in the newer civic, especially because of the black faceplate instead of silver.

Yup true but the 9887 sounds amazing.

krisfnbz
02-27-2008, 02:54 PM
I can only imagine when I puck up the 9887 how confusing that **** is going to be to set up correctly.

nismos14
02-27-2008, 02:58 PM
Its really easy actually. I found it to be easier than any other active HU I've used.

krisfnbz
02-27-2008, 03:00 PM
Its really easy actually. I found it to be easier than any other active HU I've used.

Thats good to know.... now that its on my mind I just ordered the 9887. Should be here in 2 days!

nismos14
02-27-2008, 03:01 PM
haha nice!

UCF52
02-27-2008, 03:07 PM
Ill be able to get the Pioneer 45% off when it is released, however I will have no need for it until I get my new civic....so that could be 3-6 months... so eh...

Where do you work?


Absolutely hated my CD7100's (both of'em had the same problems [one came was a replacement for the first]) but I did LOVE my 880prs.

Yea, I am very skeptical about the Eclipse unit; I have heard many bad things.

krisfnbz
02-27-2008, 03:14 PM
[QUOTE=UCF52;4284917]Where do you work?

I work at tweeter.

ngsm13
02-27-2008, 03:21 PM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/CES/ci.The+Future+is+Thin.Banner

That is the coolest.

nG

nismos14
02-27-2008, 03:32 PM
Yes it is!

nismos14
02-27-2008, 03:37 PM
I consider the CD7100 to be like the high school slore, everyones used it (her) and everyone makes fun of it(her) afterwards.

mike11202
02-27-2008, 03:42 PM
Im going to end up swapping out my 9883 for the 9887 in the car and setup that I have now...Probably going to run my fronts active(thats what people here have been telling me to do for better SQ)...

I think the new 800 would look really nice in the newer civic, especially because of the black faceplate instead of silver.

Well you should sell me one at the discounted price and you can check it out ;)

UCF52
02-27-2008, 04:24 PM
[QUOTE=UCF52;4284917]Where do you work?

I work at tweeter.

Ah, nice.


http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/CES/ci.The+Future+is+Thin.Banner

That is the coolest.

nG

Wow, 9mm! Pretty sweet.


I consider the CD7100 to be like the high school slore, everyones used it (her) and everyone makes fun of it(her) afterwards.

haha, yea.

kidwolf909
03-02-2008, 03:57 PM
http://i20.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/de/1f/7fa3_1.JPG

Seems from looking closely at the box, it's once again, re-proven, that the 800 does NOT have USB built-in. F*ck you Pioneer. :verymad:

An insurance company got hold of an 800 for someone whose car was broken into and had their 880 stolen. The guy is selling the new 800PRS on ebay for $550 (full retail) if anyone wants in before it actually hits stores ;)

Linky (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Pioneer-DEH-P800PRS_W0QQitemZ290211013007QQihZ019QQcategoryZ39 752QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Powers
03-02-2008, 04:18 PM
http://i20.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/de/1f/7fa3_1.JPG

Seems from looking closely at the box, it's once again, re-proven, that the 800 does NOT have USB built-in. F*ck you Pioneer. :verymad:

An insurance company got hold of an 800 for someone whose car was broken into and had their 880 stolen. The guy is selling the new 800PRS on ebay for $550 (full retail) if anyone wants in before it actually hits stores ;)

Linky (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Pioneer-DEH-P800PRS_W0QQitemZ290211013007QQihZ019QQcategoryZ39 752QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Or you could just buy it for $375 from an online retailer.

kidwolf909
03-02-2008, 04:19 PM
Or you could just buy it for $375 from an online retailer.

Find me an online retailer that has it for $375 right now and I will gladly. This is $550 because it's out before any other store has it.

nismos14
03-02-2008, 04:51 PM
F*ck eclipse too. Their usb ***** so bad. The input makes TONS of noises, snap crackle pop.

kidwolf909
03-02-2008, 05:12 PM
F*ck eclipse too. Their usb ***** so bad. The input makes TONS of noises, snap crackle pop.

Did you buy the 7200 or are you just speaking from experience with the 7100? lol

The 7200 is on ebay too, $425.

Only one left though: Linky (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=160213619468&Category=18798&_trksid=p3907.m29)

nismos14
03-02-2008, 05:14 PM
7100, I doubt they've changed it much.

kidwolf909
03-02-2008, 05:50 PM
7100, I doubt they've changed it much.

Ehh... could have, but who knows yet really. I'll probably just get the 880 and be done with it, maybe pick up a UB100 USB adapter later on. I'm tempted to just stay with my 6900, but I really want more adjustments and options :crap:

nismos14
03-02-2008, 06:33 PM
If you stay with it, whre can i get that 880 u were lookin at for 100?

kidwolf909
03-02-2008, 06:42 PM
If you stay with it, whre can i get that 880 u were lookin at for 100?

It's actually an exchange with Pioneer that they offered for falsely advertising my 6900UB. I can either pay $110 + tax + shipping for the 880 and return my unit to them, or I can have them refund me $230, send my unit back, and buy the 880 from Sonic Electronix or something. That's probably the way I'll go so I'm not out of a head unit for 3-5 weeks.

krisfnbz
03-02-2008, 07:50 PM
That guy selling the 800, I wouldnt be suprised if it was a scam.

XxSuperAdamxX
03-02-2008, 09:34 PM
I want the 800 or the 880. Man...the 880 is a great HU. Nobody willing to sell me theirs?

krisfnbz
03-02-2008, 10:54 PM
880's are all over the classifieds..


I want the 800 or the 880. Man...the 880 is a great HU. Nobody willing to sell me theirs?

XxSuperAdamxX
03-02-2008, 11:03 PM
mmm...not a WHOLE lot. I bought one used for $200.00 on craigslist. You think it's possible I can find one $200.00 shipped? Oh yeah...the $200.00 I bought off Craligslist came with an iPod adapter.

Powers
03-04-2008, 01:08 PM
Find me an online retailer that has it for $375 right now and I will gladly. This is $550 because it's out before any other store has it.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4TSHA_en___US262&q=deh%2dp800prs

Third one down. :rolleyes:

krisfnbz
03-04-2008, 01:27 PM
They probably dont have it. They are just saying they do.


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4TSHA_en___US262&q=deh%2dp800prs

Third one down. :rolleyes:

kidwolf909
03-04-2008, 01:27 PM
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4TSHA_en___US262&q=deh%2dp800prs

Third one down. :rolleyes:

Oh snap, anyone ever bought from there before?

I'm seriously going to buy within a few days (refund from Pioneer pending). So It'd be great to know how this Audiovideo Dimension is :)

EDIT: Just found out it's only a pre-order. Not available for immediate purchase.

krisfnbz
03-04-2008, 01:39 PM
Oh snap, anyone ever bought from there before?

I'm seriously going to buy within a few days (refund from Pioneer pending). So It'd be great to know how this Audiovideo Dimension is :)

EDIT: Just found out it's only a pre-order. Not available for immediate purchase.

Yeah thats what I thought. Were all just going to have to wait. Its not like its a big deal or anything. At the end of the day its just electronics, we all dont NEED this stuff to live. hahaha:D

jrwalte
03-04-2008, 01:40 PM
That guy selling the 800, I wouldnt be suprised if it was a scam.

What makes you think it's a scam?

kidwolf909
03-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Yeah thats what I thought. Were all just going to have to wait. Its not like its a big deal or anything. At the end of the day its just electronics, we all dont NEED this stuff to live. hahaha:D

.......that's what you think, lol, just kidding :D

But I do need a head unit ASAP, I can't stand not having music while my 6900UB is on it's way to Pioneer. The 800PRS isn't worth it anyway... I wouldn't pay $70 more for the black faceplate :(

krisfnbz
03-04-2008, 01:52 PM
.......that's what you think, lol, just kidding :D

But I do need a head unit ASAP, I can't stand not having music while my 6900UB is on it's way to Pioneer. The 800PRS isn't worth it anyway... I wouldn't pay $70 more for the black faceplate :(

Well thats to the general public. Its worth it to me. Besides, Im sure their has to be SQ differences in the 800 vs the 880?...

nismos14
03-04-2008, 02:24 PM
^ doubtful, sq should be the same.

kidwolf909
03-04-2008, 02:38 PM
^ doubtful, sq should be the same.

Agreed... not one thing changed from 880 to 800 specification wise. Owner's manual is the same, all is the same besides color and copper coating.

krisfnbz
03-04-2008, 03:03 PM
Agreed... not one thing changed from 880 to 800 specification wise. Owner's manual is the same, all is the same besides color and copper coating.


Thats pretty ****** to raise the price to $550 then.... in only difference being the color of the faceplate....

nismos14
03-04-2008, 03:08 PM
The color, hd, and copper chassis have all changed. Most companies will do this, make slight mods and then adjust the price.

jrwalte
03-04-2008, 03:10 PM
Not that most care about it, but it also now supports the bluetooth and HD add-ons. The 880 didn't.

kidwolf909
03-04-2008, 06:30 PM
Not that most care about it, but it also now supports the bluetooth and HD add-ons. The 880 didn't.

Yea I couldn't give two sh*ts about HD radio and BT.

I can't believe they include those two in a SQ-oriented head unit and not USB built-in... ugh.

nismos14
03-04-2008, 07:21 PM
USB isn't really SQ.

kidwolf909
03-04-2008, 08:29 PM
USB isn't really SQ.

With portable, USB-powered hard drives now reaching 320GB, you can compile your ENTIRE collection of CD's onto one hard drive as .wav's (lossless) and still take full advantage of all the processing and the DAC's.

Also, with 320Kbps MP3's ripped from my CD's, I hardly notice any difference at all as long as the original recording isn't extensively clipped. The USB input can be just as much SQ oriented as the CD-ROM.

So in short, USB can be SQ.

adam71
03-06-2008, 12:01 PM
Talk about being out of the loop. I've been working out of state and haven't had internet access until this week and am seeing the 800prs for the first time. I must say that it is the sexiest head unit Pioneer has put out in the USA since the P9.

Very nicely done Pioneer.:)

adam71
03-06-2008, 12:04 PM
With portable, USB-powered hard drives now reaching 320GB, you can compile your ENTIRE collection of CD's onto one hard drive as .wav's (lossless) and still take full advantage of all the processing and the DAC's.

Also, with 320Kbps MP3's ripped from my CD's, I hardly notice any difference at all as long as the original recording isn't extensively clipped. The USB input can be just as much SQ oriented as the CD-ROM.

So in short, USB can be SQ.

From a purist point of view the CD is superior. Mp3s are compressed and therefore inferior to CD. However, with a good rip in mp3 VBR you wouldn't notice much difference while driving down the road with background noise.

kidwolf909
03-06-2008, 04:48 PM
From a purist point of view the CD is superior. Mp3s are compressed and therefore inferior to CD. However, with a good rip in mp3 VBR you wouldn't notice much difference while driving down the road with background noise.

Could you guys please read what I say! lol... You can use an HDD to store 320GB's of .wav's (lossless) and play them through your head unit. You aren't restricted to MP3's and you can consolidate your entire CD collection to a hard drive.

adam71
03-08-2008, 11:38 AM
Could you guys please read what I say! lol... You can use an HDD to store 320GB's of .wav's (lossless) and play them through your head unit. You aren't restricted to MP3's and you can consolidate your entire CD collection to a hard drive.

Yes, but how is it interfaced with the deck? Probably with a cable. With a CD played right in the deck the signal can't be degraded by that. I know that is nitpicky but it is still true.

But yes, the idea of having than much music in high quality wave format does sound great.

kidwolf909
03-08-2008, 12:37 PM
Yes, but how is it interfaced with the deck? Probably with a cable. With a CD played right in the deck the signal can't be degraded by that. I know that is nitpicky but it is still true.

But yes, the idea of having than much music in high quality wave format does sound great.

Haha, yea you REALLY have to be picky to care about that lol...

But I see what you're saying.

jrwalte
03-08-2008, 12:44 PM
I seriously doubt the SQ experience you could create within your vehicle would degrade due to digital data traveling over a short USB cable compaired to straight off a laser. It's pretty hard to cause interference to degrade data transmission.

Also, I don't believe it is transmitting the 'quality' of the audio. It is purely transmitting data (probably with a checksum or some form of data integrity check) that the head unit processes to create the 'quality'.

Asspunked
03-09-2008, 06:31 AM
I really want this deck to hit the shelves soon looks to be my new deck.

cratos
03-09-2008, 09:33 PM
Yes, but how is it interfaced with the deck? Probably with a cable. With a CD played right in the deck the signal can't be degraded by that. I know that is nitpicky but it is still true.

But yes, the idea of having than much music in high quality wave format does sound great.

Hey guys, since the data is transfered digitally from the hard drive, there would be no degradation from any length of USB cable. Actually, you'd benefit because it would be impossible for it to skip. Also, computer cd readers tend to have better error correction algorithms and so theoretically the wav file could be better than reading it directly from the cd via the deck. Of course, this is all theory... nobody would actually be able to tell the difference in an audio test.

adam71
03-10-2008, 10:52 AM
Hey guys, since the data is transfered digitally from the hard drive, there would be no degradation from any length of USB cable. Actually, you'd benefit because it would be impossible for it to skip. Also, computer cd readers tend to have better error correction algorithms and so theoretically the wav file could be better than reading it directly from the cd via the deck. Of course, this is all theory... nobody would actually be able to tell the difference in an audio test.

Good point. I guess I was thinking more of someone running analog but that surely wouldn't be the case.

DiDan
03-13-2008, 11:31 PM
Hey guys, since the data is transfered digitally from the hard drive, there would be no degradation from any length of USB cable. Actually, you'd benefit because it would be impossible for it to skip. Also, computer cd readers tend to have better error correction algorithms and so theoretically the wav file could be better than reading it directly from the cd via the deck. Of course, this is all theory... nobody would actually be able to tell the difference in an audio test.

in fact CD-ROM drives do not have an error correction especially for audio cds, they only try to correct the bits itself e.g. using the CRC checksum.
audio-cd-players have an built in error correction for wav. that is how some copy protected CDs work, they have errors on it an audio-cd-drive corrects without much thinking, your computer cd-drive gives you an error because the cd seems to be damaged.

but nevertheless all new decks that can play MP3 do not have an audio-cd-drive and therefore do no more have this error correction. that is y some SQ-decks do not support mp3, like the clarion 9255 or pioneer P90.
but a good computer-drive is as good as an audio-drive as long as the CD is not badly scratched and damaged.


but with USB beeing a digital connection its better to have full-speed-ipod-interfaces, so that the D/A convertion takes place in the HU, not in the crappy ipod D/A converter.



DiDan

jrwalte
03-26-2008, 12:51 AM
Well if any of you were wondering the 800 PRS faceplate will work on an 880 unit.

nismos14
03-26-2008, 09:27 AM
Oh ya? You have both?

jrwalte
03-26-2008, 04:15 PM
Oh ya? You have both?


Yes. My 880 face plate was stolen and my insurance through First Choice got an 800.

nismos14
03-26-2008, 04:57 PM
Ah gotcha, are you selling the chassis?

Bumpin'Buick
03-26-2008, 05:39 PM
Anyone know if you can retain steering wheel controls with the 800, using the swi-ps or the likes?

nismos14
03-27-2008, 12:06 AM
Yea, should be the same as the 880.

Bumpin'Buick
03-27-2008, 05:46 PM
Nice, thanks for the info.

nismos14
03-31-2008, 12:05 AM
Np, I should be picking one up here pretty soon.

Bumpin'Buick
03-31-2008, 01:05 AM
Same here, I'm thinking a couple weeks and I'll have an 800.

nismos14
03-31-2008, 01:08 AM
^ same. :) 2 weeks or so.

kidwolf909
03-31-2008, 01:10 AM
Why are you guys bothering with the 800 again?

It's an 880 + paint & copper plate for $100 more or greater.

Bumpin'Buick
03-31-2008, 01:18 AM
If I had the 880, I wouldn't be upgraded to the 800, but the 800 over my current deck, is an upgrade in more ways than one.

nismos14
03-31-2008, 01:32 AM
Why are you guys bothering with the 800 again?

It's an 880 + paint & copper plate for $100 more or greater.

For one, better dash integration (the silver didn't blend well with my oem dash [black]), for two who says I'll be paying more than what a 880 would cost? ;)

Go live a happy life with that 7200 that took you 4 years to decide on, lol jk :)

kidwolf909
03-31-2008, 02:28 AM
For one, better dash integration (the silver didn't blend well with my oem dash [black]), for two who says I'll be paying more than what a 880 would cost? ;)

Go live a happy life with that 7200 that took you 4 years to decide on, lol jk :)

Ahhhh bahhumbug! lol

Yea if you can get the 800 for $350 or less, it's worth it then :)

nismos14
03-31-2008, 08:54 AM
Ahhhh bahhumbug! lol

Yea if you can get the 800 for $350 or less, it's worth it then :)

;) So when can I expect a 1000 word review of the 7200? :)