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Immacomputer
12-28-2007, 02:34 PM
I'm building an enclosure for my two eD EHQS 8s. This is for a friend of mine as a Christmas gift to him and his family.

Below is the design:
http://i13.tinypic.com/71xlxky.jpg

They will be powered by a Dayton 240w plate amp. There will also be a front cloth grill.

The cuts:
http://i11.tinypic.com/6ycyqsm.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/6kka79e.jpg

I ****ed up on one cut so I had to go buy another piece of MDF (just a 2'x4' piece). It was the top so I began construction last night after it got dark.

Construction:
http://i8.tinypic.com/89ifce8.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/8fv2876.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/6xkd28p.jpg

Painting the port semi-gloss black.
http://i19.tinypic.com/72vdr2g.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/8e1p9b8.jpg

The final paint will be the Rustoleum hammered black paint. It's just easier to paint the port before construction.

Look at this terrible weather I am being faced with:
http://i1.tinypic.com/6oeryuo.jpg

It's been low 70s, bright and sunny, the past few days. This is just not a livable environment!

More pictures to come as I finish it up.

Top part after being painted:

http://i14.tinypic.com/8f35nrr.jpg

Immacomputer
12-28-2007, 02:35 PM
Inner baffle with the sub mounting holes cut out:
http://i7.tinypic.com/89tolth.jpg

It's a perfect fit at 7" diameter.

My ghetto jig on an old and ghetto router:
http://i15.tinypic.com/8bf5s0w.jpg
http://i2.tinypic.com/7138y28.jpg

Test fit for the double baffle:
http://i14.tinypic.com/7w9g12v.jpg
http://i2.tinypic.com/6svrcs1.jpg

Double baffle on and drying:
http://i18.tinypic.com/8eaglzp.jpg

Top on and drying:
http://i17.tinypic.com/82xulxv.jpg
http://i14.tinypic.com/8683vuo.jpg

I had to ghetto rig a guide for a circular saw to cut off the trim piece. I was going to use the router but I don't trust it and it would have been much more difficult. This cut like butter and was perfectly flush. I would use this over a flush trim bit (which I don't have but have used) any day... at least for pieces that are off by more than 1/4".

http://i3.tinypic.com/6liz4v5.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/6z7wuj6.jpg

Immacomputer
12-28-2007, 02:36 PM
Dinner!:
http://i15.tinypic.com/7x2xysg.jpg

I have the munchies like a mother ****er!

Sanded and rounded:
http://i11.tinypic.com/6oy1fg8.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/82vi2bl.jpg

Router setup on the table:
http://i17.tinypic.com/6omf795.jpg

Grill sanded, rounded, and painted:
http://i2.tinypic.com/7weon14.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/6wygme8.jpg

Enclosure primed and waiting for paint:
http://i2.tinypic.com/6uhwq50.jpg

After three coats of hammered black paint:
http://i18.tinypic.com/6ufjnle.jpg
http://i14.tinypic.com/8eup9j5.jpg

Grill finished but it may get re-done:
http://i15.tinypic.com/6wz1obo.jpg

stuckinok
12-28-2007, 02:37 PM
your a good friend...haha

audioarsonal
12-28-2007, 02:37 PM
I want your table saw!!!!I was looking at that one I like the sliding miter and router setup.How do you like it?

Fear Of Theive
12-28-2007, 02:38 PM
Looks good so far. Keep it up,like the idea of saving the first few posts i thought of this earlier.

hempy
12-28-2007, 04:05 PM
I want your table saw!!!!I was looking at that one I like the sliding miter and router setup.How do you like it?

x2. Seems like getting a square cut would be a total *****. I've heard of (and experienced) the "iffyness" of Craftsman fences.

Immacomputer
12-28-2007, 06:10 PM
This was the only Craftsman I could find that didn't have the extending rails. It's the only fence that didn't move when I shook on it. The rails can slide but they lock in place very securely and I had no problems with dead on square cuts with factory settings. It cuts very well and is pretty sturdy but not the most sturdy table saw I've used so I still brace it down with sand bags. The adjustable miter table and router tables are really nice and useful to get support where you need it without taking up a ton of room.

It's not very compact but it's pretty **** usable and I enjoy it better than some other saws that I have used.

I'll get more pics up tomorrow when I get some more stuff done on it.

Immacomputer
12-29-2007, 12:24 PM
your a good friend...haha

So is he. His family treats me as one of their own and he also has a daughter I would like to date!

Pics are updated in the second post and I'm about to work on the sub cutout. I am going to cut the outer holes first and then put the double baffle panel on back and I can center it from there. That way everything will line up correctly.

I'm going to have to make a new router jig and try to get my old ghetto router to work. I would borrow a friend's router but he is in the hospital (not the guy I'm building this for).

hempy
12-29-2007, 12:30 PM
What model number is that saw? More pics please. Particularly the router table.... Does it need that Craftsman adapter set?

audioholic
12-29-2007, 12:40 PM
Pics of the daughter?

Also, your design shows a double baffle, been waiting to see you double baffle that rounded port wall. Still waiting to see how you are gonna do it. ;)

Lookin good so far man.

dcole18
12-29-2007, 01:00 PM
Pics of the daughter?

Also, your design shows a double baffle, been waiting to see you double baffle that rounded port wall. Still waiting to see how you are gonna do it. ;)

Lookin good so far man.

wouldnt be hard... just two kerfed pieces and a shitload of woodglue ;)

IgnoreMe
12-29-2007, 01:04 PM
looking ****ing ****!

makes me embarrassed to show build pics of my hdc3 box. everythings so clean and perfect :crap:

Immacomputer
12-29-2007, 03:19 PM
I'll get some more pics of the saw in a little bit. The model number of the saw is 21829. For $350, it's not a bad deal at all for just making some boxes and as a makeshift work table. The set comes with the adapter set for the router table and a few push blocks (that are too wide and annoying; I use scrap wood instead).

For the double baffle, I am using a piece of wood that extends just to where the kerfing starts. This piece attaches from behind and is more for flush mounting than any type of bracing. Once it dries in place, I'll put a little bracing in it but I really doubt it needs it. These are the cheap *** eD 8s we're talking about!

Pics updated in post 2.

I sanded the inside of the circles and I have the baffles drying right now. The router burned the wood at only the start of the circle which is pretty impressive since it's an old and rusted straight cut bit on a router that is held together by magic dust; seriously, there are screws missing on it and it scares the **** out of me while using it.

dcole18
12-29-2007, 03:25 PM
pics of the router ftw :confused:

Immacomputer
12-29-2007, 03:28 PM
looking ****ing ****!

makes me embarrassed to show build pics of my hdc3 box. everythings so clean and perfect :crap:

While it's not perfect, it's pretty close; I'm no BJ... haha. For example, the rear port is about 3/32" off -- it's about 2.09375" instead of 2". A couple other panels were about a 1/16" off as well. It's not perfect, but it's good enough for me and I'm pretty picky.

Oh, whether you're working in the garage or working in the bedroom, always use protection!
http://i16.tinypic.com/8ayjpz5.jpg

solidcrowd
12-29-2007, 03:31 PM
jealous of your box..and weather lol...winter ***** up here in buffalo...can't build anything until the spring :(

Immacomputer
12-29-2007, 03:39 PM
The weather is ungodly gorgeous right now and it has been all week. I think it has dropped into the upper 50s at night and it's around 65-70 in the morning and 70-75 all day. Light clouds and tons of sun. It's ****ing beautiful out.

solidcrowd
12-29-2007, 03:53 PM
the sky always seems to be grey up here, dead stuff everywhere, and garbage mixed in the with snow...i'm considering moving to florida now lol

Immacomputer
12-29-2007, 04:42 PM
I got out and glued the top on and my taping did a near perfect job. I'll start the sanding process tomorrow and I should get it primed by then. Eh, maybe I'll do it later... right now, it's time for dinner!

Updated pictures on Post 3

dcole18
12-29-2007, 05:52 PM
dont make your relief cuts quite as deep next time... the glossy black really makes them stand out

Immacomputer
12-29-2007, 05:59 PM
dont make your relief cuts quite as deep next time... the glossy black really makes them stand out

They won't stand out as bad with the hammered paint. I'll try to ease up on the next enclosure and see if it works.

dcole18
12-29-2007, 06:13 PM
They won't stand out as bad with the hammered paint. I'll try to ease up on the next enclosure and see if it works.

what depth did you cut them at?

and how do you plan on applying the paint...?

Immacomputer
12-29-2007, 06:21 PM
I did 5/8" on a test piece and it didn't bend as freely as I wanted so I made the actual cut a hair deeper.

Before I apply the paint, I'm going to sand and primer everything except the inside of the port. I painted that with the semi-gloss black since I had a ton sitting around. The hammered paint is going to be applied with a spray can. I worked a small test piece and it looks just how I want it to so hopefully I can do that on the actual enclosure.

Immacomputer
12-31-2007, 12:13 PM
Updates on post 3. I'm going to be doing a lot of sanding today. I got slowed down yesterday due to the weather turning. I went for a 27 mile cross country mountain bike ride and right as I get home to start working, it rains. Today is pretty overcast but all I need to really get done is the sanding and primer. It should happen. More updates later.

IgnoreMe
12-31-2007, 12:51 PM
looking good. and the dinner looks tasty!

Immacomputer
12-31-2007, 01:57 PM
looking good. and the dinner looks tasty!

Oh it was. Last night's dinner was better though:
1/2lb burger with breadcrumbs and seasonings all throughout topped with swiss cheese and honey chipotle BBQ sauce
1/4 of a 12" cheesecake no topping (****ing amazing)
chicken casserole with cream of celery soup in it and ritz cracker and almond crumbs on top
Harry and David chocolate truffles
and Fun Dip.

It was a good night. ;)

Immacomputer
12-31-2007, 03:34 PM
Everything is rounded over and sanded. I didn't round over the front edges as I will have the grill sitting on it and it would look awkward.

This coсky mother fuсker decided to wait inside the enclosure for me to drop some sand paper in it. When I did, I went fishing for it and the bіtch stung me. I dropped his aѕs:

http://i13.tinypic.com/6sks9zn.jpg

Immacomputer
12-31-2007, 06:33 PM
Pictures updated on post 3 but I'll put them here too in case some of you are that lazy.
Router setup on the table:
http://i17.tinypic.com/6omf795.jpg

Grill sanded, rounded, and painted:
http://i2.tinypic.com/7weon14.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/6wygme8.jpg

Enclosure primed and waiting for paint:
http://i2.tinypic.com/6uhwq50.jpg

I need to lightly sand the dust out of the primer and I need to hit a couple spots again; I was priming in the dark and it really difficult to make out the primed areas from the wood. I wish I had a decent shop to work in and not in a driveway.

It's coming along nicely and I think it's going to finish very well as well. I hope the hammered paint looks as good as my test piece does.

Oh, and the grill is going to have black cloth across it so the paint quality doesn't matter as you won't really see it because it's black. Once the paint dries, I'm going to glue the cloth onto it and then put the mounting hardware in.

dcole18
12-31-2007, 07:31 PM
looks similar to a box i built last week for some arrghs

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00027.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00047-1.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00048-1.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00050-1.jpg

also kinda like this one

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00037-1.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00036.jpg



anyways... if you think i posted up too many pics in your thread just lemme know and they will be removed

but... great work, i cant wait to see completed pics

miker
12-31-2007, 07:39 PM
Whats that thing bing painted on the chair?

silvercookie
12-31-2007, 07:44 PM
frame for mesh fabric to go over the front.

dcole18
12-31-2007, 07:45 PM
Whats that thing bing painted on the chair?

reading > jooo ;)

miker
12-31-2007, 08:35 PM
Ah.. missed the sentence where it mentioned "grill"...

Immacomputer
01-01-2008, 08:42 AM
looks similar to a box i built last week for some arrghs

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00027.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00047-1.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00048-1.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00050-1.jpg

also kinda like this one

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00037-1.jpg

[IMG http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/dcole18/p_00036.jpg[/IMG]



anyways... if you think i posted up too many pics in your thread just lemme know and they will be removed

but... great work, i cant wait to see completed pics

Looks great! And no, I don't care that you posted pics in this thread; we all enjoy pictures.

I should get the grill finished today as I got some glue from a friend for free last night at a party! That's a good thing as I have about $3 to my name right now haha. I was going to scrounge around today and try to find some change to buy it but I guess I'm all set now.

connersdad19
01-01-2008, 09:20 AM
looks good

Immacomputer
01-02-2008, 06:43 PM
Thanks.

I got the amp cutout done and it's fully painted. The first two coats were looking rough but the third really made everything look decent. I'm only pissed about one thing -- joint lines. Everything was extremely flush and I sanded with 40, 80, 120, 150, and 400 grit sand paper. Then I put wood filler over all the edges and rounded corners and sanded it down with 150 then 600 grit. There were NO seams visible and I honestly forgot how the enclosure was laid out. I then did 3 coats of primer and I couldn't see anything so I thought I was good. Well, I was wrong and I can see the joint lines in a couple places. That is straight ridiculous and it makes no sense at all.

I still have to get the grill hardware in and I'll wait until the paint has fully cured before doing that. After that, I'll mount the amp and the subs and give it a few hours of listening and then I'll deliver it to my friend's house and install it for him.

Oh well, here are some updated pictures that are also on the first page but I'll put them here for the lazy crowd:
After three coats of hammered black paint:
http://i18.tinypic.com/6ufjnle.jpg
http://i14.tinypic.com/8eup9j5.jpg

Grill finished but it may get re-done:
http://i15.tinypic.com/6wz1obo.jpg

Here is a close up of one of the joint lines that are visible. What did I do wrong that caused them to show up in the painting stage but not the priming stage?

http://i7.tinypic.com/7xd3oqo.jpg

dcole18
01-02-2008, 06:50 PM
the lines were always there... you just couldnt see them with the primer because it has no gloss... unlike the dark hammered paint which will show everything :fyi:

i like to get a little bit of body filler, put it over every seem i think will show, sand the **** out of it (up to 180), then prime with some good filler primer (then sand up to 320) then if you still have doubts wetsand it ;)

anyways, i think it looks great man

Immacomputer
01-02-2008, 06:56 PM
Maybe I should use a bondo like filler instead of the wood filler I've been using. Only two joint lines really showed up. One was on the back and one on bottom is also visible. Neither of them really matter as one will face the floor and another will face a wall. It still makes me mad though.

dcole18
01-02-2008, 07:00 PM
Maybe I should use a bondo like filler instead of the wood filler I've been using. Only two joint lines really showed up. One was on the back and one on bottom is also visible. Neither of them really matter as one will face the floor and another will face a wall. It still makes me mad though.

if you plan on painting it then yes... bondo works better imo

also, a flushbit for your router is your friend ;)

bjfish11
01-02-2008, 07:04 PM
if you plan on painting it then yes... bondo works better imo

also, a flushbit for your router is your friend ;)

I think it has more to do with end grain than a non-flush edge.

But looks good man. How far is your spacing on your cuts for the flare?

Immacomputer
01-02-2008, 07:08 PM
if you plan on painting it then yes... bondo works better imo

also, a flushbit for your router is your friend ;)

**** a flushbit! My ends were extremely flush and the end grain was sealed very well. It was the glue line that shows. Maybe I should seal the enclosure with a glue/water mixture after finely sanding everything down and then use bondo on the wood grain or on the entire thing? **** that sounds like a *****. haha

I used a 1" spacing between cuts (10 cuts total) and it gave about a 6" flare.

UCF52
01-02-2008, 10:29 PM
Good looking box!

dcole18
01-02-2008, 11:48 PM
**** a flushbit! My ends were extremely flush and the end grain was sealed very well. It was the glue line that shows. Maybe I should seal the enclosure with a glue/water mixture after finely sanding everything down and then use bondo on the wood grain or on the entire thing? **** that sounds like a *****. haha

I used a 1" spacing between cuts (10 cuts total) and it gave about a 6" flare.

ive always used bondo on just the seams... if the glue shows then you didnt used enough primer... i prime, then carfully wetsand... takes time, but worth it in the end

also, try spacing the cuts 1/2" apart next time ;)

hempy
01-03-2008, 12:24 AM
You may also get other lines as time goes and the paint expands and contracts. Some joints sink in after a while.

What'd you use to apply the hammered metal? I'm guessing you used the liquid can, as the spray stuff *****. I've used a foam brush, but it never seems to come out that smooth/glossy.

Immacomputer
01-03-2008, 11:50 AM
You may also get other lines as time goes and the paint expands and contracts. Some joints sink in after a while.

What'd you use to apply the hammered metal? I'm guessing you used the liquid can, as the spray stuff *****. I've used a foam brush, but it never seems to come out that smooth/glossy.

Actually, I used one of the spray paint cans to apply it. The first two coats looked horrible and I was about ready to sand it off and start over but the third coat went on really nice and looks much better and even. Don't ask me how as the first two coats did not look even at all.


ive always used bondo on just the seams... if the glue shows then you didnt used enough primer... i prime, then carfully wetsand... takes time, but worth it in the end

also, try spacing the cuts 1/2" apart next time ;)

Next time, I'm going to use bondo and a different primer. I might try one of the wood sealer primers.

dcole18
01-03-2008, 11:52 AM
Actually, I used one of the spray paint cans to apply it. The first two coats looked horrible and I was about ready to sand it off and start over but the third coat went on really nice and looks much better and even. Don't ask me how as the first two coats did not look even at all.



Next time, I'm going to use bondo and a different primer. I might try one of the wood sealer primers.

use bondo and a good heavy filler primer

bjfish11
01-03-2008, 12:04 PM
ive always used bondo on just the seams... if the glue shows then you didnt used enough primer... i prime, then carfully wetsand... takes time, but worth it in the end

also, try spacing the cuts 1/2" apart next time ;)
:)

Immacomputer
01-03-2008, 12:37 PM
But that would change the flare radius, wouldn't it? When I experimented a while back, the spacing directly related to the flare radius and I designed the enclosure with this specific flare. The bends don't show up in person like they do on camera and especially not inside a house.

I took the enclosure outside to get some sun and get it nice and fully cured. After that, I'm going to take my test piece and see how it responds to some light automotive rubbing compound. So far, the finish is already very smooth but there are a couple of rough patches that I assume are from over spray. The rubbing compound should get rid of it.

Here are some more pictures in the sun. I used the sun because it's the most critical light -- it shows every flaw in high detail.

http://i6.tinypic.com/71pkm0x.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/7yftb7s.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/8aplt28.jpg

I'm pretty happy with it in the sun and there are only minor spots that are noticeable "meh" but everything else looks pretty good (not including the **** joint lines!). I think I'm going to mount the amp first and give it a listen before putting the grill on!

audioarsonal
01-03-2008, 12:45 PM
Very nice craftsmanship!
And I'm with everyone else on the bodyfiller.If I paint anything I like to use a light coat to hide any of the joints or roughness of the end grain.

dcole18
01-03-2008, 12:47 PM
if you space them 1/2" apart there is less chance of spliting... and as for the radius, you dont really have to bend the wood back as far as is it will go IF you fill in the gaps/relief cuts with something to strengthen the bend (woodglue or fiberglass) then you could bend the piece at any radius you wanted...

but, like i said... i think it looks GREAT!!!



:)

i see you there :cool:

Immacomputer
01-03-2008, 01:01 PM
Eh, I would rather have the relief cuts join when I bend it. My last few pieces have bent very easily with no signs of splitting. The first one I ever did with some birch split on me but I believe that was due to the relief cuts no all having the same depth since I was trying to kerf a 60" piece of wood by myself on a 30" table saw with no carts to support the extra width.

Thanks for the comments everybody; I'll be sure to get final pics up and maybe a video if anybody wants one.

dcole18
01-03-2008, 01:19 PM
ughh... ive done all my kerf's with a circular saw :crap:

they turn out ok but i would like to see what i can do with a good table saw

PV Audio
01-03-2008, 02:09 PM
**** a flushbit! My ends were extremely flush and the end grain was sealed very well. It was the glue line that shows. Maybe I should seal the enclosure with a glue/water mixture after finely sanding everything down and then use bondo on the wood grain or on the entire thing? **** that sounds like a *****. haha

I used a 1" spacing between cuts (10 cuts total) and it gave about a 6" flare.No no no! Oil based sealant first, then waterbased. The problem with using a gluewash sealant first (I just learned this after advocating it so strongly), is that it causes the wood to swell, which makes any endgrain issues much worse. Oil based sealants slowly seep into the wood and aren't really absorbed quickly like waterbased ones are. After a few coats of the oilbased, then hit it with the gluewash to make it super smooth.

Immacomputer
01-03-2008, 02:22 PM
No no no! Oil based sealant first, then waterbased. The problem with using a gluewash sealant first (I just learned this after advocating it so strongly), is that it causes the wood to swell, which makes any endgrain issues much worse. Oil based sealants slowly seep into the wood and aren't really absorbed quickly like waterbased ones are. After a few coats of the oilbased, then hit it with the gluewash to make it super smooth.

Thanks for the heads up!

twisztdauthorit
01-03-2008, 03:00 PM
Thats a very neat looking box, i like the paint.

Immacomputer
01-03-2008, 06:02 PM
Thanks, I appreciate it.

I got them installed with the amp mounted and so far, I'm pretty impressed. They drop pretty **** low and the output matches, if not surpasses, my av12 (granted it is on less power). I've only been able to listen to a few songs so far (some Orphaned Land and NIN) and I'm enjoying it. I need to watch a few movies to get a feel for it (Transformers and Event Horizon here I come...).

Here are the 98% finished pictures:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7913/39wt9.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5092/38pd1.jpg

The amp doesn't sit perfectly flush at the bottom but it does at the top. It's good enough to not cause any leaks but not perfect. Oh well.

Oh, the actual tuning frequency seems to be off by a little more than what I was expecting. It's tuned around 25hz instead of 22hz. It's still able to drop pretty **** low and should be great for home use at moderate volumes (this family is not full of bassheads). Off to go play some ping pong...

IgnoreMe
01-03-2008, 06:13 PM
wow. looking good bro!

more and more impressed, as the thread progresses.

quakerroatmeal
01-03-2008, 06:25 PM
Pictures with the grill on? Looks good though, but 5cubes seem pretty **** big.

bjfish11
01-03-2008, 06:52 PM
Yes, if you change the spacing, it will effect the radius of the flare. BUT, 10 cuts, 1/2" apart will give you a PERFECT 3.5" radius flare. Perfect meaning 90*

And yes, I would suggest making all the relief cuts touch, otherwise there isnt much material there structurally...

dcole18
01-03-2008, 09:30 PM
Yes, if you change the spacing, it will effect the radius of the flare. BUT, 10 cuts, 1/2" apart will give you a PERFECT 3.5" radius flare. Perfect meaning 90*

And yes, I would suggest making all the relief cuts touch, otherwise there isnt much material there structurally...

unless you glazz it on the back side :p:

Immacomputer
01-04-2008, 11:10 AM
Pictures with the grill on? Looks good though, but 5cubes seem pretty **** big.

I would have liked to go a little larger but my friend didn't want that. It is pretty **** big sitting here in my room; I hope he doesn't mind it too much.

I can't mount the grill yet as I haven't installed the hardware. I am letting the paint fully cure before doing that. Right now I'm test driving it to make sure there are no issues anywhere and really, I have yet to find any. It sounds excellent on music and it's very laid back. It actually matches my computer setup very well. The response seems to be very flat down to 30hz if not lower but I'll have to bust out my ghetto meter to really see. I'm not to sure how accurate it is though.


wow. looking good bro!

more and more impressed, as the thread progresses.

Me too actually haha.

Immacomputer
01-04-2008, 03:29 PM
Metered them quickly with my Radio Shack meter and this is what I found:

http://i10.tinypic.com/72lg4co.png

Down 3dB at 30hz in my room and down 6dB around 23hz. That's not too bad at all given my room (I have some issues around 70hz and below 30hz). It's pretty flat across the board and I'm happy with the sound on movies as well. The transient response is a little iffy. On tracks like Quo Vadis - On the Shores of Ithaca, the double bass gets a little sloppy and not as tight as I'm used to. It's not terrible but it could be better. On songs like Don Henley - Sunset Grill, the bass is punchy and right on call and very full.

They are also handling the 240w amp with much more composure than I was expecting.