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03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 03:13 PM
I know this has been asked before and its a question that is very much based on personal preference, but that is what im looking for.....your opinions. Ive researched every night for the last week and a half trying to decide what company i should go with. they only brands i have been able to listen to is alpine, JL, focal, and thats about it. I really like the focals, but for the money, is there something better?

the other companies i seen posted on here alot...
Rainbow
CDT
Diamond Audio
BA
and of course the new PG RSD's

I would like to keep it to under $400 for the components.
They will be going into a 2003 Acura TL Type-S, and as of right now i only plan on doing a front stage and i will pick an amp based on which component set i get. The stock speakers are 5.25 but everyone has said that 6.5 fit perfect so thats what i'd like to go with.

Thanks in advance and i hope i covered all the bases for my first post.

blaze383
12-17-2007, 03:14 PM
Yea im having the same problem, Ive been wanting to ask what are the best 6.5 comps for the $ because I just cant decide.

tcguy85
12-17-2007, 03:25 PM
you can't beat the rsd's for the price. what do you wanna spend on a set of comps?

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 03:54 PM
i'm willing to spend up to $400 for the comps, but at that price, i can get two sets of Focal coaxials and run a front and rear as opposed to just the front. I just dont think i want coaxials, this is why this is so difficult. i dont know what i should go with

90accordman
12-17-2007, 04:05 PM
hertz high energy

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 04:27 PM
Can anyone compare the RSD's to the Focal 165V2"s?

I sampled the Access line as well as the V1 at the local Car Toys here in town. They were running a PDX 4.150 and both the access and the entry level polyglass sounded like *** when the bass hit. The V2's took it pretty good but the entry level KP's took it even better but those are tight at $400 a pair and the RSD's are what, $87?

skydeaner
12-17-2007, 04:33 PM
I'm not a fan of focal tweeters. But i think the rsd's can be beat for 400 dollars. Just nothing is coming to mind at the moment because i am so wowed by them lol. I'll sit around and think for you, and go listen to my rsd's

JimJ
12-17-2007, 04:52 PM
For $400 you could afford to buy the processing to go active and still get very competent drivers to start with...really a no-brainer for me.

DejaWiz
12-17-2007, 05:23 PM
^ agreed. If you want to stick with a passive boxed component setup, check out the Pioneer TS-C720PRS's. Passive, run them with around 100-150w rms per side. Active, about 60-75w rms per speaker. Amazing set, especially for the price from internet retailers.

WhoSayWho?
12-17-2007, 06:00 PM
So, it's official -- PG rsd's = new forum mini boner?

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 06:15 PM
i'm going ot have to admit.........i dont know a whole lot about passive or active so a boxed set will most likely be better for me.

DejaWiz
12-17-2007, 07:05 PM
i'm going ot have to admit.........i dont know a whole lot about passive or active so a boxed set will most likely be better for me.

Then I'd vote for the 720PRS's or RSd65CS's.

exige
12-17-2007, 07:26 PM
with the money you're willing to spend, you can do better than RSd's. the RSd's are alright for budget comps...but with that kind of money, there's much better stuff available. i know for sure there's some crazy deals on CDT's top of the line ES-62i right now that would fit your budget.

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 07:34 PM
Where do i find pricing?

kbkid
12-17-2007, 07:56 PM
Online Car Stereo sells the PGs for $129. Could probably be found for cheaper, that was just the only place I looked.

JimJ
12-17-2007, 08:00 PM
So, it's official -- PG rsd's = new forum mini boner?

Makes sense. For 90% of the people here, anything above 80Hz is simply "highs", so the cheapest thing that'll still make recognizeable voices will be a big hit.

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 08:05 PM
Is it better to mix and match tweeter, x-overs, and a midrange from different companies or is that overkill? If not, where is a good place to find those items?

jblayz1
12-17-2007, 08:06 PM
http://www.mbquart.com/en/produkte/car/qline/produkt.php?nr=qsf_216_Nano

exige
12-17-2007, 08:08 PM
if you're going to do a full component set (including the crossover), it's best to stick with a single company (this is referred to as a "passive" setup). if you're going to go with an "active" setup, you can mix and match drivers. an active setup would be without a crossover. you would use external processing to set the crossover points in a setup like this.

for raw drivers for an active setup, you can check out the following sites:
www.partsexpress.com
www.madisound.com

exige
12-17-2007, 08:09 PM
http://www.mbquart.com/en/produkte/car/qline/produkt.php?nr=qsf_216_Nano

edit...misread previous comment.

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 08:21 PM
I like the sound of the Focal tweets, I do not like how the driver handled the bass, especially for that price range but i guess that could all be taken care of with proper tuning

Flipx99
12-17-2007, 08:24 PM
Makes sense. For 90% of the people here, anything above 80Hz is simply "highs", so the cheapest thing that'll still make recognizeable voices will be a big hit.


80 hz...sheesh


(goes to check HU to see I am 63@18)

exige
12-17-2007, 08:35 PM
I'm not a fan of focal tweeters. But i think the rsd's can be beat for 400 dollars. Just nothing is coming to mind at the moment because i am so wowed by them lol. I'll sit around and think for you, and go listen to my rsd's


my apologies, i read this^^ and didnt realize it was from skydeaner instead of 03 acura tl. my bad.

tcguy85
12-17-2007, 08:44 PM
So, it's official -- PG rsd's = new forum mini boner?

where have you been.... they have been the boner for budget comps for a while on here now!

exige
12-17-2007, 08:46 PM
^^the founder.

tcguy85
12-17-2007, 08:46 PM
80 hz...sheesh


(goes to check HU to see I am 63@18)

i have mine at 63hz/12db.

tcguy85
12-17-2007, 08:47 PM
^^the founder.

the founder???

what does that mean?

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 08:50 PM
So is there a better choice than the Focals (the 165V2 polyglass or base poly kevlar) in that price range or less? If not i might have to pick up a set.

exige
12-17-2007, 08:50 PM
the founder???

what does that mean?



http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264644

tcguy85
12-17-2007, 08:55 PM
yes i did a review on them. they are very nice speakers, they sound amazing especially for the price. i'm not the first one on here to recommend them though. i bought them cause others on here had been suggesting them. have you heard them properly installed and properly powered?

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 09:12 PM
I know alot of people on here dont like rear fill, but if someone wanted to add a simple inexpensive set for the rears to runn off deck power just to have a little something in the rear for passengers, what would be a good set to go along with any of the component sets in this thread?

tcguy85
12-17-2007, 09:17 PM
i hear pioneer revs are good for coax's

dbaudio
12-17-2007, 09:26 PM
Focal K2P's can be purchased for $400 on ebay or here if you get lucky. Or, Rainbow Profi's with Titan tweets would be great too.

But if you're trying to lower the budget just a tiny bit, Rainbow CMX Kicks would also fit the bill (I believe there is a pair up for sale in the classifieds).

kingkong101
12-17-2007, 09:27 PM
i have polk momo mmc 5x7's for my rear fill, i sending 60rms to them and they sound very nice and push out nice lows suprisingly they are extremely nice speakers. coax.

kingkong101
12-17-2007, 09:29 PM
their cool lookin too.

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 09:32 PM
Focal K2P's can be purchased for $400 on ebay or here if you get lucky. Or, Rainbow Profi's with Titan tweets would be great too.

But if you're trying to lower the budget just a tiny bit, Rainbow CMX Kicks would also fit the bill (I believe there is a pair up for sale in the classifieds).


A local shop here in town has a set of the Focal 165KP for $399 BNIB. They are on woofersetc for more than that. Think that would be a better bet than the 165V2'S?

jblayz1
12-17-2007, 09:36 PM
edit...misread previous comment.

i was rresponding to the initial post. :D

03 Acura TL
12-17-2007, 11:42 PM
So then the Focals are a good choice for that price range?

Im thinking of getting a Kicker ZX 450.2 to run them, only $170 so i thought that was a good deal and its rated at 150x2 @ 4 ohms at 14.4v so the speakers will see a little less than that

dbaudio
12-18-2007, 02:53 PM
yah, those $399 focals you mentioned would defnitely fit the bill. Not to mention, you can haggle with the local store. Above all else, you get to hear the speakers you're going to get before you get them.

redcalimp5
12-18-2007, 03:09 PM
Focal K2P's would be awesome, or if you wanted a little cheaper so you could spend on deadening, a little more powerful amp, etc, you could get the CMX's for sale for $220 shipped in the Classified section here....that's a really good deal on those, too.

livinlegend
12-18-2007, 03:20 PM
I wouldn't go with the focals. Every review I've read describes the tweeters as unbearable, and why pay $400 for just a woofer and a passive xover? I was going to get them originally but then researched them exhaustively and red something like over 10 different reviews on them

Here are some better recs than the K2Ps:
-Rainbow CMX 265 Kicks ($250ish)
-Hertz MLK 165s ($500ish - WAY better than the focals)
-Hertz HSK 165s (~~ for the budget audiophile)
-IDMax xs65 (check ebay for IDMax comp sets)

Go with either the IDMax, rainbow, or hertz but don't waste your money on the k2ps because I almost guarantee you are going to regret that

WhoSayWho?
12-18-2007, 03:28 PM
where have you been.... they have been the boner for budget comps for a while on here now!

My purpose is just to give the OP a heads up that every six months or so a new forum boner arises. No, I have not heard the PG's and I will probably never hear them. If someone comes here looking for a set under $100 I may even say that I have seen others give them a favorable review -- with an understanding that I have not heard them personally. I do find it difficult to believe that a set that can be had for less than $100 shipped is going to merit the attention they have received lately, but whatever.

jkulysses
12-18-2007, 04:37 PM
Online Car Stereo sells the PGs for $129. Could probably be found for cheaper, that was just the only place I looked.

http://www.audiosavings.com/product_details.aspx?item_guid=767e9c4a-3e3b-4e48-8a27-7a13f9c0a9fe&category_guid=7617d28f-f8fa-4c53-b172-133ce952abd6

03 Acura TL
12-18-2007, 08:25 PM
I wouldn't go with the focals. Every review I've read describes the tweeters as unbearable, and why pay $400 for just a woofer and a passive xover? I was going to get them originally but then researched them exhaustively and red something like over 10 different reviews on them

Here are some better recs than the K2Ps:
-Rainbow CMX 265 Kicks ($250ish)
-Hertz MLK 165s ($500ish - WAY better than the focals)
-Hertz HSK 165s (~~ for the budget audiophile)
-IDMax xs65 (check ebay for IDMax comp sets)

Go with either the IDMax, rainbow, or hertz but don't waste your money on the k2ps because I almost guarantee you are going to regret that



I listened to the Focals again today and i'm not impressed for the money. The 165V1's have zero bass and bottom out very easily, the V2's take the bass better and the 165KF's do awesome, but the sound was very dull, lost alot of the treble. You really have to step up to the 165KP's to get a really nice sound, and I'm guessing there are better things out there for the $460 i found them for online.

tcguy85
12-18-2007, 08:47 PM
My purpose is just to give the OP a heads up that every six months or so a new forum boner arises. No, I have not heard the PG's and I will probably never hear them. If someone comes here looking for a set under $100 I may even say that I have seen others give them a favorable review -- with an understanding that I have not heard them personally. I do find it difficult to believe that a set that can be had for less than $100 shipped is going to merit the attention they have received lately, but whatever.

well then you need to hear them.

03 Acura TL
12-18-2007, 11:09 PM
What is a good site to look at specs and prices for Rainbow and Hertz?

DejaWiz
12-18-2007, 11:11 PM
What is a good site to look at specs and prices for Rainbow and Hertz?

Rainbow (http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/introduction.php?lan=2&pro=1)

Hertz (http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/default_en.htm)

03 Acura TL
12-18-2007, 11:23 PM
neither one have prices

DejaWiz
12-18-2007, 11:27 PM
For Rainbow, PM the following sellers here on the forum:

3.5Max6spd

6spdcoupe

PremierAudio (web site is www.premier-audio.com, but PM him ;) )

king ranch
12-18-2007, 11:52 PM
i am looking for the same thing the best 6.5 comps and i hear so many different oppions its driving me crazy idk what to get
i guess the only way to decide is jsut but a pair and try it yourself or go somewhere to listen to them and if you kno someone who has them

03 Acura TL
12-19-2007, 12:02 AM
i am looking for the same thing the best 6.5 comps and i hear so many different oppions its driving me crazy idk what to get
i guess the only way to decide is jsut but a pair and try it yourself or go somewhere to listen to them and if you kno someone who has them

Yeah its driving me nuts too. I think Ive narrowed it down to Rainbow, CDT Audio, and possibly Hertz if you can find them or a website in english

king ranch
12-19-2007, 12:04 AM
the hertz i found on ebay
but i heard the rainbows have went down in qualitly over the years or it was the diamonds cant rember have to ask someone that knos a lil more

king ranch
12-19-2007, 12:07 AM
also another question is what makes one better than the rest??
i think its all personal prefference

03 Acura TL
12-19-2007, 12:13 AM
It is all personal preference but thats why the forums are great because if the majority of people like a certain product, chances are you will too. Thats why i'm looking for as many opinions as possible before i make a decision.

03 Acura TL
12-19-2007, 01:19 PM
Ok guys.............need everyones opinions again. What do you guys think about these two sets?


Rainbow CMX 265 Kicks (Powerline)
Rainbow cs265.25 (Geraniums)

dragnix
12-19-2007, 01:21 PM
the more expensive one is the better one :fyi:

kingkong101
12-19-2007, 01:31 PM
the more expensive one is the better one :fyi:

in all cases.. :D

DejaWiz
12-19-2007, 03:00 PM
Ok guys.............need everyones opinions again. What do you guys think about these two sets?


Rainbow CMX 265 Kicks (Powerline)
Rainbow cs265.25 (Geraniums)

Depends on what you're looking for...

Germaniums... very capable set with great SQ.
CMX Kicks... more aggressive midbass and a bit sharper in the highs, I'd classify these as SQL.

WhoSayWho?
12-19-2007, 03:03 PM
the hertz i found on ebay
but i heard the rainbows have went down in qualitly over the years or it was the diamonds cant rember have to ask someone that knos a lil more

It was the Diamonds.

03 Acura TL
12-19-2007, 03:51 PM
Depends on what you're looking for...

Germaniums... very capable set with great SQ.
CMX Kicks... more aggressive midbass and a bit sharper in the highs, I'd classify these as SQL.


So the CMX Kicks will actually have a brighter and more crisp sound to the highs than the Geraniums?

livinlegend
12-19-2007, 04:00 PM
So the CMX Kicks will actually have a brighter and more crisp sound to the highs than the Geraniums?

With comps a lot of people look for midbass. The kicks do that well. You can't go wrong.

You also can't go wrong with the germaniums.

You also can't go wrong with the Hertz MLK 165s or the HSK 165s.

Those are some great speakers, all of them, it just depends how much you're willing to shell out. I'd say best bang for the buck go with the rainbow kicks ($220-$280) or Hertz HSK 165s

Pm datboyroi he knows a factory authorized hertz dealer with some GREAT cheap prices

king ranch
12-19-2007, 06:03 PM
what bout rockford fogsgate heard from a friend of mine they are pretty good

DejaWiz
12-19-2007, 06:17 PM
what bout rockford fogsgate heard from a friend of mine they are pretty good

I've heard good things about the T series and the Fanatic series, but I can not confirm if that's true. Might be worth checking out, nonetheless.

king ranch
12-19-2007, 06:29 PM
does anyone know how these would sound

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ROCKFORD-P162S-6-1-2-COMPONENT-SET-SPEAKERS-6-5_W0QQitemZ150195463636QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32819QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or these

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rockford-Fosgate-T162S-6-5-Component-Set-NEW-04-T62S_W0QQitemZ250198191254QQihZ015QQcategoryZ32819 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

DejaWiz
12-19-2007, 06:49 PM
^ I've heard the P series at BB. Wasn't impressed at all. Midbass was muddy. I will admit I've only heard them in the sound board, however.

livinlegend
12-20-2007, 11:09 AM
dont get RF speakers - youve been warned

03 Acura TL
12-20-2007, 11:14 AM
I'm thinking of going with the Rainbow CMX 265 Kicks. Its either that of the Focal 165KP's

Do you think the Alpine PDX 2.150 is enough to run either set? I love the iPaul amps but the PDX is only $244 shipped and everyone seems to like these amps

DejaWiz
12-20-2007, 12:00 PM
PDX amps are rock solid and you can mount them **** near anywhere. Rainbow just released their new SLC sets, so that might make the decision a bit tougher if you are wanting some CMX Kicks. I don't think you can go wrong either way. Click here (http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=278626) for some initial info about the new SLC.

03 Acura TL
12-20-2007, 10:00 PM
Still looking at the CMX 265 Kicks, but i was wondering if anyone has heard them compared to the focals?

Also looking at MB Quarts QSC 216's, and JL Audio's new C5 component set. Ant one have reviews or experience?

Audio Master
12-20-2007, 10:05 PM
the best componets are AD600R 2ways from audio development and they are great all round for SPL and SQ in all high end installs or for straight SQ the best is MM3 3ways from Audio Development the whole MM series is fantastic pure sonic bliss and the misic r4eproduction is second to nopne i have heard a lot of speakers in my time claiming to be great for sq these are the only ones Ive heard that back the claim with results

But the price reflects that perfection aswell AUDIO DEVELOPMENT MAKES FANFARKINTASTIC FOR ALL YOUR REQUIREMENTS AND THATS JUST FACT IVE HEARDS THEM ALL AND THEY ARE THE BEST

Towncar
12-20-2007, 11:51 PM
For $400 you could afford to buy the processing to go active and still get very competent drivers to start with...really a no-brainer for me.

True, although going active isnt for everyone.. It takes alot of time and patience getting everything tuned correctly. Some people dont want to spend the time doing all the tuning.. One other thing to consider

king ranch
12-21-2007, 04:10 PM
i was wondering what you guys thought about these comps

http://www.millionbuy.com/hifzxi65c.html

http://www.millionbuy.com/plkdb6501.html

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-SL60-6-5-CAR-COMPONENT-SPEAKER-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ350006399889QQihZ022QQcategoryZ328 19QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-ALPINE-SPR-17LS-6-5-INCH-CAR-AUDIO-COMPONENT-SPEAKER_W0QQitemZ250197199113QQihZ015QQcategoryZ32 819QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/POLK-AUDIO-DB6501-6-5-300W-COMPONENT-SPEAKER-PAIR-NEW_W0QQitemZ120198669872QQihZ002QQcategoryZ32819Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/POLK-MMC6500-6-5-250WATT-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ140191265042QQihZ004QQcategoryZ32819Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Gary S
12-21-2007, 08:17 PM
I'm thinking of going with the Rainbow CMX 265 Kicks. Its either that of the Focal 165KP's

Do you think the Alpine PDX 2.150 is enough to run either set? I love the iPaul amps but the PDX is only $244 shipped and everyone seems to like these amps

- Out of those two, I'd go with the Focals... especially if you can get them locally.

03 Acura TL
12-21-2007, 10:33 PM
- Out of those two, I'd go with the Focals... especially if you can get them locally.


I went back and listened to the Focal KP's again today and they sounded great. The store wants like $800 for the set and woofersetc wants $460 so eventhough they are local I'd still buy off the internet for cost reasons if thats what i decided to go with

Towncar
12-22-2007, 12:26 AM
I went back and listened to the Focal KP's again today and they sounded great. The store wants like $800 for the set and woofersetc wants $460 so eventhough they are local I'd still buy off the internet for cost reasons if thats what i decided to go with

For that price, I would look into the polk srs.. Much easier on the ears than the k2ps, and better midbass..

dbaudio
12-22-2007, 01:19 AM
You can't go wrong with either. The Focal's or Rainbows would each be great choices. I'm a Rainbow guy myself, but I originally was opting for Focal Polyglass V2's for my new car. Took a leap for the Rainbows and now am going to install CMX's in the new CR-V, since the SLC's my other CR-V sound sweet, the CMX's should kick even more ***.

Echo42987
12-22-2007, 11:33 AM
Can anyone compare the RSD's to the Focal 165V2"s?

I sampled the Access line as well as the V1 at the local Car Toys here in town. They were running a PDX 4.150 and both the access and the entry level polyglass sounded like *** when the bass hit. The V2's took it pretty good but the entry level KP's took it even better but those are tight at $400 a pair and the RSD's are what, $87?

Focal FTW

:woot:

-Nick-

03 Acura TL
12-23-2007, 12:20 AM
Yeah thats kinda the direction im leaning towards because its the only set ive been able to hear in person

desertheat
12-23-2007, 01:17 AM
I am putting my money on the new xs65 set from image dynamics, so much so I am purchasing a set :) They worked there rear off to make one hell of a component set and the mid / midbass drivers looks to be the hot ****. Tweet is still an oddity to me about going slightly over 1" in size but time will tell. Only set I have been impressed by on paper so far under $500... Last 4-5 comp sets I purchased went to the ebay gods if that says anything hahaha.

Also in locals cars, I have heard cadence, seas lotus, boston acoustic 3 way, CDT and some others recently, random entries from each companies model line up. None impressed me at all except the cadence *LOL* that little set was quite impressive. I also heard a set in Acids car long ago, they were very nice as well. My old auras kicked the snot out of all of them which is why I have them so long, and they all wanted to buy my auras after a listen, especially in my tC, but mine are getting old, showing there age and no longer produced, have to find somthing to move on to.

The auras always struggled in midbass, lowest I could go without killing them was around 55hz @ 18db/oct. 24-30db/oct & crossing lower just did not blend right. Were the auras left off, The ID's should shine. Time will tell.

I really hope these new ID's do well, I definitly have faith in them after the research.. Cannot wait! :)