PDA

View Full Version : My pg rsd65cs review as promised



skydeaner
12-13-2007, 02:35 PM
click here (http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277475)

very impressed for the price to say the least.

SQL4Life
12-13-2007, 02:36 PM
cool, im doing a very similar setup as you...the Rsd components and 1 12 inch RSD sub...powered by a txa-6004 amp ( 150 x 2 and 600 x 1 at 4 ohms)

DownSouth954
12-13-2007, 02:41 PM
I think I'm going to end up getting a pair myself. :)

tcguy85
12-13-2007, 11:16 PM
nice. it's good to hear the same thoughts that i had on the set. i actually had to EQ out the same points you mentioned, not so much for female vocals but for the higher guitar notes. they sounded just a tad harsh before i EQed a little in that range. i'm not sure what crossover points PG uses in this set but i think it's material that the mid is playing, not so much the tweeter. i love the tweeters a lot as well, and mine are on axis too. i think they sound good and very detailed. they sound really detailed pointing on axis. the whole set sounds killer and keeps sounding good even at high volumes as well.

i have mine crossed at 63hz/12db, i think 63hz is a little to low if you listen to rap or hip hop, but for rock and metal it's sick, and it doesn't put them at their limits at all. but on rap i could see your point. on the rare occasion i briefly play some rap, i bump my crossover up to 80hz/12db instead of the 63hz/12db. but if yours are crossed at 75hz i don't think they should have a problem handling the bass as long as you don't play them at crazy insane levels or have anywhere from 80hz or lower boosted in your EQ.

but overall they are awesome speakers, especially for the low price.

skydeaner
12-14-2007, 12:55 AM
i have mine crossed at 63hz/12db, i think 63hz is a little to low if you listen to rap or hip hop, but for rock and metal it's sick, and it doesn't put them at their limits at all. but on rap i could see your point. on the rare occasion i briefly play some rap, i bump my crossover up to 80hz/12db instead of the 63hz/12db. but if yours are crossed at 75hz i don't think they should have a problem handling the bass as long as you don't play them at crazy insane levels or have anywhere from 80hz or lower boosted in your EQ.

but overall they are awesome speakers, especially for the low price.


Yeah, I actually turned up the gain on the amp a little today. I think 65-70hz with a 24db rolloff would be perfect for them. And at loud levels you are right, they just keep sounding beautiful. I can't beleive the price on this set, it just blows my mind. I keep liking them more every time i listen to them.

On a side note, i turned on some techno tonight... freakin amazing! Especially at high volumes. The output of these things is downright sickening for 87 dollars. SQL4life, you are going to be getting your SQL for sure. hehe

jkulysses
12-14-2007, 01:26 AM
what size of box are you putting the rsd subs in? I just ordered a 12" today and will be getting another soon with a 1 ohm stable amp. I'm thinking the new audioque amp or maybe a ednine.1 I'll get the rsd components and an amp for them with tax return.

skydeaner
12-14-2007, 01:29 AM
It will give them 1.4 cu ft per sub and i bought a 5lb box of poly fill, so they will each get half of that. I am working on a design to give them each 1.8 cu ft we'll see how that goes. I have to get some packing peanuts for volume measurment of space i might be fiberglassing.

tcguy85
12-14-2007, 01:29 AM
i keep reading 1.8 per 12" RSD sub for the best sound with low end extension. but with that big of a box why not go ported on a different model?

jkulysses
12-14-2007, 11:16 AM
i keep reading 1.8 per 12" RSD sub for the best sound with low end extension. but with that big of a box why not go ported on a different model?

I'm guessing price is one reason. these things are so **** cheap. I'm going to try and make a 1.8 box over the weekend. I ordered the sub last night. Not sure how long it takes onlinecarstereo to get stuff shipped out.

DejaWiz
12-14-2007, 11:59 AM
Thanks for taking the time to write us the review! Glad you like them.

Planning a review on the RSd12?

skydeaner
12-14-2007, 12:22 PM
oh yeah, it will get a review, but i am still working on the final box design and then i actually have to build it once i figure out how I want it. And then i have to buy an amp. I need 1200wrms at 1 ohm on the cheap. I will probably have to get it after christmas.

VQ35max
12-14-2007, 12:46 PM
Nice review. Have you redone the finish on the amp yet?

skydeaner
12-14-2007, 12:55 PM
Not yet because it is still under my front seat until I build the false floor in the back, and I cant start working on that until i figure out how i'm going to do the sub box and which sub amp i'm going to use.

ABSOLUTEAUDIO
12-14-2007, 01:08 PM
I sell a ton of rsd products out of my shop, and the kids love them for the price! Has any of use played with the rsd1200.1 yet. It's got mad power.

DejaWiz
12-14-2007, 01:19 PM
Has any of use played with the rsd1200.1 yet. It's got mad power.

How about a review for us? :cool:

skydeaner
12-14-2007, 01:24 PM
If it were 1200wx1 at 1ohm i would be all over it. Why would they make dual 4 ohm 12" woofers and then make an amp that puts out enough power for 2 of them but isn't compatible with them ?????

DejaWiz
12-14-2007, 01:40 PM
If it were 1200wx1 at 1ohm i would be all over it. Why would they make dual 4 ohm 12" woofers and then make an amp that puts out enough power for 2 of them but isn't compatible with them ?????

Because they make a single 4 ohm sub. ;)

ls2poweredgoat
12-14-2007, 02:00 PM
Great review, I'm getting more excited about them, I ordered a set last night and will be powering them with a JL 300/2. :)

DownSouth954
12-14-2007, 02:06 PM
Great review, I'm getting more excited about them, I ordered a set last night and will be powering them with a JL 300/2. :)

Where did you order from?

ls2poweredgoat
12-14-2007, 02:15 PM
Where did you order from?

www.audiosavings.com

$87 shipped. :D

jkulysses
12-14-2007, 04:51 PM
www.audiosavings.com

$87 shipped. :D

Thats a good price. I'll get mine from there cause I hate messing with ebay unless I have too.

jkulysses
12-14-2007, 04:56 PM
oh yeah, it will get a review, but i am still working on the final box design and then i actually have to build it once i figure out how I want it. And then i have to buy an amp. I need 1200wrms at 1 ohm on the cheap. I will probably have to get it after christmas.

I'm looking for an amp at 1200wrms too and if you can get in on the audioque pre order its a pretty good deal. http://www.audioque.com/aq/AQamps.htm. Not sure if I can come up with the money before jan 1st so I might have to pay the after pre order price which would ****. The ednine.1 looks to be a good amp too and is rated at 1200wrms at 12.5v which is nice. It's a little more than the AQ amp though but not much after the pre order sale.

LBC99
12-14-2007, 06:46 PM
Hopefully I'll get off my lazy azz one of these days and install mine that I got about three weeks ago.

skydeaner
12-15-2007, 02:00 AM
www.audiosavings.com

$87 shipped. :D

Yes, that is where i got mine, they shipped fast and i have no complaints.

tcguy85
12-15-2007, 08:53 AM
Yes, that is where i got mine, they shipped fast and i have no complaints.

i got mine from their ebay store. awesome price, fast shipping. :-)

jkulysses
12-15-2007, 01:13 PM
So would plumbers putty work in place of the non hardening modeling clay for in between the mdf baffle and the door??? It's also non hardening. Just curious cause I have plenty of it but no modeling clay layin around lol.

skydeaner
12-15-2007, 02:37 PM
umm rope caulk would be better if you are going to the hardware store, but dont you have a michael's near you? They have like 40 different colors of it lol

skydeaner
12-17-2007, 02:13 PM
anyone know the driver displacement on rsd 12"s? I ended up giving them 1.5 cubes each after taking away for the wood itself. Take driver displacement out of that and throw in the 2.5lbs of poly fill i am thowing in each side and they should be right at 1.6 ish cu ft per side that they are actually seeing. I will let everyone know how they sound as soon as i get the box wrapped and get an amp. And of course i will provide plenty of pictures :)

jkulysses
12-17-2007, 03:55 PM
anyone know the driver displacement on rsd 12"s? I ended up giving them 1.5 cubes each after taking away for the wood itself. Take driver displacement out of that and throw in the 2.5lbs of poly fill i am thowing in each side and they should be right at 1.6 ish cu ft per side that they are actually seeing. I will let everyone know how they sound as soon as i get the box wrapped and get an amp. And of course i will provide plenty of pictures :)

Mine should be here on wednesday. I'm going to put it in a 1.2cuf box i have layin around with poly fill till i can get a new box built that is 1.8cuf which will hopefully happen this weekend. I'm going to build a false floor at the same time. If it would ever quit raining so i can get the mdf board into my dads shop. I will be using my mtx 801d for now but as soon as i get my taxes back i'm getting another 12" rsd and a 1200 watt amp.

skydeaner
12-17-2007, 03:58 PM
sounds like you have a workout in front of you. I lift weights every other day and my ****in legs are killing me from all the weird positions i had to be in while building my box lol.

Let me know how much power they take in the 1.2cu box because it might change my mind on what amp i'm gonna go with. I wont be gettin one til after i get my ebay gift cards for christmas.

jkulysses
12-17-2007, 05:00 PM
I've got a 600 rms at 2ohm MTX amp I will sell pretty cheap if your interested. I wont be using my 801d after January or so but i might keep it. It's a pretty good amp.

skydeaner
12-17-2007, 06:05 PM
Nah, i heard somewhere these puppies need that much a piece at least to get movin good. The suspension feels pretty stiff. And i free air tested them with 50wrms a coil on a home amp and they barely moved. So i am lookin for a good 1500wrms at 1 ohm.

jkulysses
12-17-2007, 08:04 PM
Nah, i heard somewhere these puppies need that much a piece at least to get movin good. The suspension feels pretty stiff. And i free air tested them with 50wrms a coil on a home amp and they barely moved. So i am lookin for a good 1500wrms at 1 ohm.

I was thinking you only had 1 12", never mind then lol.

I had a guy offer me $150 worth of weed today for it but I don't really want to become a drug dealer to get my money lol.

skydeaner
12-17-2007, 11:40 PM
I was thinking you only had 1 12", never mind then lol.

I had a guy offer me $150 worth of weed today for it but I don't really want to become a drug dealer to get my money lol.

LOL that's awesome, i wish someone would throw some weed at me for something i had laying around that i wasn't using.

jkulysses
12-18-2007, 02:04 AM
LOL that's awesome, i wish someone would throw some weed at me for something i had laying around that i wasn't using.

Thats part of the problem with the deal. I would probably end up smokin half of it before I sold it lol. I would for sure keep a $25 sack out of it cause i'm bout out anyway.

No__ID
12-18-2007, 10:03 PM
would 85watts to each side be enough to power the RSD's? its over what PG has them rated for but i've heard people put up to 150 to each side so im still not sure if it'll be enough.

tcguy85
12-18-2007, 10:04 PM
it will power them...... but they will sound better with more power.

skydeaner
12-18-2007, 10:25 PM
if you are talking about that hifonics amp, you will need to bridge it. That 85 watts is more like 65 at the voltage your car actually runs at.

No__ID
12-19-2007, 04:01 AM
if you are talking about that hifonics amp, you will need to bridge it. That 85 watts is more like 65 at the voltage your car actually runs at.

:confused:
i was talking about a kx250.2. should i get the kx350.2 insteed? i can get kiickers for cheap so ive narrowed it down to those two.

tcguy85
12-19-2007, 09:52 AM
zx450.2

jkulysses
12-19-2007, 11:44 AM
:confused:
i was talking about a kx250.2. should i get the kx350.2 insteed? i can get kiickers for cheap so ive narrowed it down to those two.

I'm thinking about get the zx350.2, I think that's the one I was looking at. 110x2 at 4 ohms but kicker usually underrates their amps so I'm guessing it would be closer to 125x2.

R05Nismo
12-19-2007, 01:08 PM
What is the tweeter made out of on the RSD components? I'm looking for a set with silk tweeters, and have 100X2 rms to provide.

And are they really that good for the price?? I mean nothing cheap is good and nothing good is cheap 99% of the time.

ls2poweredgoat
12-19-2007, 01:15 PM
I'm pretty sure they don't have a silk tweeter....

Anyway, my set is supposed to come today, woohoo!!

90accordman
12-19-2007, 01:15 PM
nice to see a little review on these, im really wanting to get some

skydeaner
12-19-2007, 02:43 PM
They are plastic coated cloth of some sort. I would call it a composite tweeter. I am gonna get me an prs880 and go active with them in the end. I love them now, and can't wait to hear them active. But that will be after i get my subs and everything done. And I scratched the false floor idea, i am just going to attach both amps to the sub box and call it a day. I am a lazy mofo especially with how cold it is here in illinois.
Next summer though... booooyyyyyyy. watch out here come some fiberglass.

IonSQL
12-19-2007, 02:46 PM
They're silk tweets...

thehardknoxlife
12-19-2007, 03:31 PM
They're silk tweets...
X2.....

R05Nismo
12-19-2007, 07:33 PM
X2.....

Ok, thanks. I couldnt find where it said that. I'm really putting some thought into these for the price.

jkulysses
12-19-2007, 09:55 PM
Ok, thanks. I couldnt find where it said that. I'm really putting some thought into these for the price.

I've thought about them for 2 or 3 months now and have finally made up my mind to get them. Going to seal and deadin my doors first though.

tcguy85
12-19-2007, 10:15 PM
the reason i got them was because of people on here suggesting them. i said what the hell, for $90 if i hate them i'll put them back on ebay or something. but i had high hopes and the second i installed them i loved them. they can't be beat for the price... thats for sure.

maloy013
12-20-2007, 01:10 AM
@tcguy hey man we hav the same car just wanna know if i stll need spacers for this things i know we have 6.5 in the fronts right? from what everybody is sayn here in the forum this looks like a steal....

do u think my comp amps would work well with these???
my sys is in my sig thanks!

tcguy85
12-20-2007, 01:41 AM
yes you will need to make at least a half inch spacer. i used 3/4 mdf and fully covered it so it doesn't get watter damage. what kind of power does your amp put out?

ls2poweredgoat
12-20-2007, 01:46 AM
Mine came today....build quality is first rate for the price..

Wkbdkid
12-20-2007, 02:13 AM
Someone know the mounting depth on em?

maloy013
12-20-2007, 12:31 PM
@tcguy ok i think my alpines put out like 75x4 rms do u think thats enuf for the rsd?

andrewmoore13
12-20-2007, 12:49 PM
i got a set in my car... the dustcap on one of my tweeters was dented :laugh:

tcguy85
12-20-2007, 09:57 PM
@tcguy ok i think my alpines put out like 75x4 rms do u think thats enuf for the rsd?

what does it do bridged at 4 ohms? i don't think they would sound as good with only 75 watts.

maloy013
12-21-2007, 12:54 AM
i dont think my amp does better at bridged coz its 150 watts at channels 1 and 2 and 300 watts for channels 3 and 4....bridged.

skydeaner
12-21-2007, 01:25 AM
i dont think my amp does better at bridged coz its 150 watts at channels 1 and 2 and 300 watts for channels 3 and 4....bridged.



If it is 75x4 and it is alpine it should do 300x2 bridged and bridged is how you will want it set properly with a multimeter and a test tone like listed above.

southwest713
12-21-2007, 02:18 AM
just hooked up my set, and all i can say is WOW! i still need to play with the tweeter positioning and fine tune it, but from what i heard today im very impressed.

skydeaner
12-22-2007, 01:31 PM
I think the tweeters are a little overpowering at times. I am working on disecting the crossover for bi-amping per phoenix gold's recomendations. If i could calm the whole tweeter section down by like 2db's i think they would be perfect for my tastes. If anyone has any suggestions on the easiest way to do this, let me know. They haven't emailed me back a second time yet. Just the first time saying this:

No easy answer here.
The crossover in the kit provides time corrections and frequency
corrections, both electrically and acoustically for good summing between
the drivers. (We use computer modeling software to do this.) You could
use an electronic crossover, but the necessary corrective parameters
would not exist. (It may sound worse.) You would need a custom
crossover/equalizer with the matching system corrective parameters which
we do not offer.

Another alternative would be to physically breakdown the RSD65cs passive
crossover input into two inputs, and bi-amp the system. The passive
crossover sections would then maintain the proper corrections, with the
added benefit of level adjustments between the component sections for
some balance refinements could be done at the amplifiers inputs. Also
each section would have lower total distortion with the separation of
amplifiers. It has be done.
We appreciate your enthusiasm and loyalty towards the PG products.

Hope this helps
Thank you.

Glenn Phillips
Rodin Acoustics

tcguy85
12-22-2007, 09:45 PM
i honestly do not think they are over powering at all and i listen to a lot of metal that i have heard sound very harsh on other setups. i actually have 8khz and 12khz boosted just a tad on my EQ. what exactly sounds overpowering? the real real high like cymbol crashes or higher frequency guitar notes? i think it might be the higher mid-range thats giving you problems. i had to cut 2khz and i think 3.5khz to take the edge off on certain guitar notes. i have heard of others with the same set taking out the same frequencies to take some harshness out of certain female vocals as well so try that.

also where are they mounted? also on-axis or off-axis?

i have my tweets in the kick panels pointed pretty close to on-axis. probably just a couple degrees off and i think they sound very good and extremely detailed, but not one bit harsh or overpowering.

skydeaner
12-23-2007, 12:54 AM
After i moved mine to the kicks they sound a lot better. I may just mess with the eq some more, i dunno.

tcguy85
12-23-2007, 01:42 AM
After i moved mine to the kicks they sound a lot better. I may just mess with the eq some more, i dunno.

try to take a lil out in the 2khz to 5khz range and see how you like it. i thought they sounded a bit to bright in the 2-3.5k region for the music i listen to. but i think thats the upper region that the woofer plays. i'm not sure where the crossover point is on the passive crossover but i am willing to bet it's above 3khz. i bet it's probably about 4-5khz.

Etac
12-23-2007, 02:46 AM
it could also be.. (no rsd expierence myself so)

thats it not the speaker thats bright... or tweeter.. our hearing is just more sensative to that range... my cmx kicks get that way too from the 2-4 range... but i measured with an RTA to see if it was peaking..but their response was pretty **** flat throughout that range...

and just like the post above said.. i thought it was my tweets forever... and tried moving them everywhere to help fix it.. but it was actually the mids...

.::DuD3::.
12-23-2007, 03:49 AM
Are any of you running this set actively? If so, what are your crossover settings and how much power are you able to safely run to each speaker?

tcguy85
12-23-2007, 05:13 PM
Are any of you running this set actively? If so, what are your crossover settings and how much power are you able to safely run to each speaker?

i haven't heard of anybody actually running them active. i would say try 75-100 or so watts on the mids and about 25-50 watts on the tweeters. maybe start with 3k for the crossovers. but i could be way off, i have never tried active yet.

get an amp that does 100-150x4 @ 4 ohms, and maybe start with the numbers i suggested. but honestly i'm not even sure what ohm load the drivers would be w/o the crossover. so i can't help much. this is all just what i would try if i went active with them.

skydeaner
12-24-2007, 04:01 AM
I would say start with a higher point for the tweeter crossover just incase. It sounds like it might be into the 4-5 region.

tcguy85
12-24-2007, 04:07 AM
I would say start with a higher point for the tweeter crossover just incase. It sounds like it might be into the 4-5 region.

yea i think in the factory passive it is probably in the 4-5k region.(just a guess) but i bet the tweeter could play a bit lower. i wonder if PG would tell us the crossover point if somebody asked.

adio
12-24-2007, 05:58 AM
ready to get rid of my ****........

skydeaner
12-24-2007, 11:20 AM
ready to get rid of my ****........

what do you mean?

skydeaner
12-24-2007, 11:21 AM
yea i think in the factory passive it is probably in the 4-5k region.(just a guess) but i bet the tweeter could play a bit lower. i wonder if PG would tell us the crossover point if somebody asked.

a bit lower with a steeper slope would be nice, yeah.

tcguy85
12-24-2007, 01:24 PM
they sound good as they are though. i love my set of RSD's!!! :-)

skydeaner
12-25-2007, 03:19 AM
I've been messin with them some more. I ended up having to cut the 300-400hz range a couple db's. The voices were overly bassy and it was making a lot of songs sound weird. **** i forgot i have to get some foam i accidentally threw away out of the garbage.

adio
12-25-2007, 09:57 AM
what do you mean?

i have crystal comps....sscs models and i am am not happy with them and/or the midbass. my little 5.25 stocks with the rotted foam surround and powered off the HU dug deeper than these

skydeaner
12-25-2007, 12:19 PM
i have crystal comps....sscs models and i am am not happy with them and/or the midbass. my little 5.25 stocks with the rotted foam surround and powered off the HU dug deeper than these

Are you doors deadened? I find stock speakers a lot of times hit lower and have more midbass punch than aftermarket speakers if you don't treat the doors at all.

h8ter
12-26-2007, 01:11 AM
i just purchased a set of pg components........thanks for the review, i cant wait for them to get here. i'm going to put them in my spl car and i'm anxious to see how they compare to my pro 60's in my sq car

skydeaner
12-26-2007, 08:23 AM
i just purchased a set of pg components........thanks for the review, i cant wait for them to get here. i'm going to put them in my spl car and i'm anxious to see how they compare to my pro 60's in my sq car

although the pro 60's are in a far different price category i think you will be pleasantly suprised.

adio
12-26-2007, 09:53 AM
Are you doors deadened? I find stock speakers a lot of times hit lower and have more midbass punch than aftermarket speakers if you don't treat the doors at all.

very
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=228157&highlight=adio

tcguy85
12-26-2007, 12:28 PM
i have crystal comps....sscs models and i am am not happy with them and/or the midbass. my little 5.25 stocks with the rotted foam surround and powered off the HU dug deeper than these

lots of power and some playing around with the eq might help. try boosting the 60-200hz range and see what happens.

i have plenty of mid-bass with the RSD's though. i still can't believe the mid-bass output and extension on these things.

skydeaner
12-26-2007, 12:46 PM
lots of power and some playing around with the eq might help. try boosting the 60-200hz range and see what happens.

i have plenty of mid-bass with the RSD's though. i still can't believe the mid-bass output and extension on these things.

good point tc, how much power do you have going to the crystal's?

Pl8er
12-26-2007, 03:50 PM
Thanks for writing the review, I bought these off of that review. I am currently running off of about 80rms, but was thinking of bridging my tru 4.65 (should be around 150ish bridged). How would that go? I don't run the gains on my amp but use my symmetry as the pre-amp.

Also, I have a 28 band eq on the symmetry, anyone able to help me match the eq to the speakers (is that even possible)?

Just from 1 day of listening, the midbass is AWESOME (even with my running 80 watts not setup properly) and the highs are very nice, a bit too bright for me on +2, so I put them back to 0.

miker
12-26-2007, 04:34 PM
So SHOULD the 5.25's perform the sameas the 6.5's??? I just have to ask...

fbi90909
12-26-2007, 05:15 PM
awesome review, i too bought these from reading off of others uses and opinions. i ended up getting 3 sets for my future instal. overkill? maybe... 2 in the rear deck, 1 in each front door, a 1 set in kick pods i will glass. i just got to figure out how i'm going to power these up. or at least power up the 3rd set. i don't want anything running from the HU.

Pl8er
12-26-2007, 05:18 PM
awesome review, i too bought these from reading off of others uses and opinions. i ended up getting 3 sets for my future instal. overkill? maybe... 2 in the rear deck, 1 in each front door, a 1 set in kick pods i will glass. i just got to figure out how i'm going to power these up. or at least power up the 3rd set. i don't want anything running from the HU.

That would be an imaging nightmare.

fbi90909
12-26-2007, 05:58 PM
That would be an imaging nightmare.

quite true but you'll never learn w/o trying. if i do end up having too much trouble with it i could just rid of the kicks and sell them to a friend.

Pl8er
12-26-2007, 06:01 PM
quite true but you'll never learn w/o trying. if i do end up having too much trouble with it i could just rid of the kicks and sell them to a friend.

*nod*

Can't disagree with ya there.

CrankItUp
12-26-2007, 10:50 PM
I'm guessing price is one reason. these things are so **** cheap. I'm going to try and make a 1.8 box over the weekend. I ordered the sub last night. Not sure how long it takes onlinecarstereo to get stuff shipped out.

Good Luck with onlinecarstereo. My wife ordered my RSD6cs back on 12/ 5, and as of this morning (12/26) they still hadn't shipped. She cancelled the order and I bought a set off of fleabay for $20.00 less shipped.

adio
12-27-2007, 01:20 AM
good point tc, how much power do you have going to the crystal's?

200 watts a side from my diamond amp, i often wonder if its cause of the sound deadning ( do i have 2 much?)

tsenfw
12-27-2007, 11:01 AM
quite true but you'll never learn w/o trying. if i do end up having too much trouble with it i could just rid of the kicks and sell them to a friend.

I'll buy a set! lol From what I've seen everyone say, you're probably better off with one set.

skydeaner
12-27-2007, 05:42 PM
200 watts a side from my diamond amp, i often wonder if its cause of the sound deadning ( do i have 2 much?)

Nah, i have as much as you, and it looks like you used clay and everything just like i did also. Do you have a link to the component set you are using? Maybe it has the woofer's specs in the manual, that can shed some light on why they dont have much midbass.

skydeaner
12-27-2007, 06:10 PM
Good Luck with onlinecarstereo. My wife ordered my RSD6cs back on 12/ 5, and as of this morning (12/26) they still hadn't shipped. She cancelled the order and I bought a set off of fleabay for $20.00 less shipped.

I got mine within 3 days of ordering from their website, and many other people have as well. 87 shipped is what i payed.

fbi90909
12-27-2007, 07:08 PM
I'll buy a set! lol From what I've seen everyone say, you're probably better off with one set.

yeah but i'm not going to be over powering them like everyone else. plus i'm looking to get loud and have the sets keep up with 2 15's ported into the cabin. i would just go active with front stage but i like having audio coming from the rear as well. just gives me that surrounding feeling. w/o my rear speakers it just feels empty to me. you are better off buying yours from the site. i also payed 87 shipped for each. if i sold you a set you'd be paying for the set and shipping charges. i'd rather sell them locally to a friend who is interested in a set if i don't want them.
plus i won't be installing them for another 2 months as i need to get funds for sound deadener and the rest of my install. i'm just picking up the peices before i fix the puzzle.

skydeaner
12-27-2007, 11:10 PM
Finally ordered my amp today (thanks santa claus) . I will be powering my 2 rsd 12's with a directed 2400d. I will post reviews in this thread very soon.

EDIT:
Oh yeah i guess you could use some pictures of my rsd 12's right?

http://home.insightbb.com/~sdp/ebaytemp/box1.jpg
http://home.insightbb.com/~sdp/ebaytemp/box2.jpg

tcguy85
12-28-2007, 12:34 AM
thats a nice lookin box you got there!

Troydb
12-28-2007, 12:53 AM
thats a nice lookin box you got there!

x2.. I feelin that for sure. Let us know what you think of those subs! If they are anything like the comps then they should rock.

tcguy85
12-28-2007, 12:57 AM
^yessir!

skydeaner
12-28-2007, 02:03 AM
thats a nice lookin box you got there!

Thank ya, the vinyl only cost 11 dollars at joanns

SUMrTOY
12-28-2007, 08:46 AM
Just bought me a set of these components thanks to all of the reviews...
I'll post up my own experience with them as well. :)

tcguy85
12-28-2007, 09:33 AM
^cool!

adio
12-28-2007, 10:26 AM
Nah, i have as much as you, and it looks like you used clay and everything just like i did also. Do you have a link to the component set you are using? Maybe it has the woofer's specs in the manual, that can shed some light on why they dont have much midbass.

http://www.uscaraudio.com/cgi-bin/usstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=SSCS6

skydeaner
12-28-2007, 09:44 PM
I dunno, a couple of things throw me off about those mids. The thin kevlar cones that they say "Flex to make a softer form of distortion than the popping made by traditional poly cones" also means reduced bass output. The stiffer the cone the better material it is for bass reproduction. That is why in subwoofers they always use thick pulp paper, thick poly, or solid spun aluminum or other metals.

Also i don't know much about this new magnet system they talk about, but maybe it limits x-max in some way. I know it is kinda an underhung design in a way. I couldn't find any x-max or xmech specs on that component set though, maybe it is in the manual that came with them?



EDIT:
Really though after looking at the aura subwoofers using the same technology nrt motor that have 2" peak to peak excursion I don't think the xmax on those would be a problem. Have you heard other people with them? What kind of vehicle are they in?

skydeaner
01-02-2008, 03:58 PM
jan 4th... the amp arrives.... dun dun dun!

T3mpest
01-02-2008, 04:38 PM
I dunno, a couple of things throw me off about those mids. The thin kevlar cones that they say "Flex to make a softer form of distortion than the popping made by traditional poly cones" also means reduced bass output. The stiffer the cone the better material it is for bass reproduction. That is why in subwoofers they always use thick pulp paper, thick poly, or solid spun aluminum or other metals.

Also i don't know much about this new magnet system they talk about, but maybe it limits x-max in some way. I know it is kinda an underhung design in a way. I couldn't find any x-max or xmech specs on that component set though, maybe it is in the manual that came with them?



EDIT:
Really though after looking at the aura subwoofers using the same technology nrt motor that have 2" peak to peak excursion I don't think the xmax on those would be a problem. Have you heard other people with them? What kind of vehicle are they in?

the thicker paper cones on a subwoofer has to do with a lack of having to worry about the moving mass of the woofer.

skydeaner
01-02-2008, 04:51 PM
si senor i understand strength to weight ratio. But non pressed pulp is very stiff also. This was just an example, no need to overanalyze what i was saying. Coneflex = bad for bass.

adio
01-03-2008, 01:54 AM
I dunno, a couple of things throw me off about those mids. The thin kevlar cones that they say "Flex to make a softer form of distortion than the popping made by traditional poly cones" also means reduced bass output. The stiffer the cone the better material it is for bass reproduction. That is why in subwoofers they always use thick pulp paper, thick poly, or solid spun aluminum or other metals.

Also i don't know much about this new magnet system they talk about, but maybe it limits x-max in some way. I know it is kinda an underhung design in a way. I couldn't find any x-max or xmech specs on that component set though, maybe it is in the manual that came with them?


EDIT:
Really though after looking at the aura subwoofers using the same technology nrt motor that have 2" peak to peak excursion I don't think the xmax on those would be a problem. Have you heard other people with them? What kind of vehicle are they in?

no manual, just a sheet with specs and thats gone cause i got these in march/april of last year. these are in a 1995 nissan maxima

skydeaner
01-03-2008, 05:07 AM
no manual, just a sheet with specs and thats gone cause i got these in march/april of last year. these are in a 1995 nissan maxima


dont you file everything in a filing cabinet like me lol?

skydeaner
01-03-2008, 11:18 PM
tomorrow tomorrow i love you tomorrow my amps only a day away!

tcguy85
01-03-2008, 11:19 PM
tomorrow tomorrow i love you tomorrow my amps only a day away!

what amp are you getting?

what amp do you have right now?

adio
01-04-2008, 02:49 AM
dont you file everything in a filing cabinet like me lol?

i used to........... i found it easier just to toss **** out:P

skydeaner
01-04-2008, 03:47 AM
I am getting my directed 2400d tomorrow for my rsd 12's. I currently have an autotek 125.4 just for my rsd components though. I will finally be mating them with their big brother.

Jared530
01-04-2008, 03:55 AM
I think im going to have to buy a couple pairs before they jack up the price on them

IonSQL
01-04-2008, 08:34 AM
Got mine in the other day, I'm impressed so far. These are by far the best sounding components I've had in the car to this point, though I haven't had any super expensive sets:

eD 6500s
Crystal SSCS6
Cadence ZX6kit
Cadence CWM6
Alpine Type R

I actually find the tweet to be on the mild side for my taste, I usually prefer a metal tweet, but they sound very good. I'm giving the set 100w per side, woofer in the door and tweet in the sail.

For the price, I'm completely satisfied and would recommend them to anyone looking for a low to mid priced set of components.

Regarding the Crystal set, that's the only set I've had that had had better midbass, though just a tiny bit, so Adio, I'm not sure why you're not getting it out of them :confused:

skydeaner
01-04-2008, 03:40 PM
I thought i heard about those crystals haveing nice midbass. I wonder what is up with adio's install. Maybe polarity problems? Vehicle acoustics? Door design causing issues?

slappinX
01-04-2008, 06:42 PM
I actually find the tweet to be on the mild side for my taste, I usually prefer a metal tweet, but they sound very good. I'm giving the set 100w per side, woofer in the door and tweet in the sail.

how do you like the RSD on 100w a side? i have an amp that does 100 X 2 and i dont know if i should buy a more powerful one.

kidwolf909
01-04-2008, 06:47 PM
how do you like the RSD on 100w a side? i have an amp that does 100 X 2 and i dont know if i should buy a more powerful one.

They get PLENTY loud with 100w per channel. I have 150/channel, but I've never gone above say 60-65wrms and it's at ear bleed levels.

100 is perfect.

IonSQL
01-04-2008, 10:24 PM
100w per side is PLENTY loud, plus they will live longer than feeding them 150w all day :)

skydeaner
01-04-2008, 10:37 PM
http://home.insightbb.com/~sdp/d2400.jpg

there tis. Another great refurb i have gotten from ikesound. **** I have bought a lot of good deals from them. I can't honestly believe there are people that had problems with them, but I hear people talk about it every once in a while.

1200 worms of power, kinda like these
http://www.thewormcastcompany.co.uk/catalog/images/worms%201.jpg

adio
01-05-2008, 01:15 PM
i have to no idea what the fu#k is goin on........ :(

skydeaner
01-05-2008, 02:34 PM
i have to no idea what the fu#k is goin on........ :(

Well my friend i saw wrms (the abbreviation for Watts Route Mean Square/Watts RMS) as Worms. Thus the picture of the worms.

Anywho. I stayed up late last night installing that amp i just pictured so that i could give a review today of the rsd 12's. Wowsers... They hit low. Very musical woofers to say the least. I threw them in and it was very easy to get them blended with my frontstage. At first they sounded funny and then i tore out the test tracks and dialed the crossover down to around 80hz. That is when the beauty happened lol. I want to give you guys a video of my remote skippin like with my 3 ed 11kv.2's. Which i will post up later as a comparison as well. But i really dont have time, it is 1225 here and i got to work at 1:30 and i'm still in my pj's.

"Bass I Love you" I am sure you all know it well. You can hear all the notes clearly except for the lowest hitting one and it just rips through your body like a vibrating chair.

Rock/Alternative: I listened to some Offspring and some seether and these woofers amaze me with their non-muddiness. With how low they can hit I wouldn't expect them to hit all the fast notes so well, but they manage gracefully and untryingly.

Output: They gots enough to make my cd player skip (panasonic cq-c7413u) which none of my previous setups have done. I can't wait til i get my parts in to fix my ipod (i can fix anyone elses if you have a broken one btw :) ) so i dont have to deal with the skipping and i can really turn it up. They are making me purchase another 100sq ft of edead that's for sure in the mix very soon. Maybe i'll try raamat if someone can get me a deal at about the same cost.

Jibbs - King Kong in my trunk" - Wow that's a big monkey. Scary output. I want to get these metered just out of curiousity. Somewhere in the 140's i would assume, but that is a broad spectrum. Anyone in central illinois or pretty close with a TL? Pretty close means 2-3hours from champaign/urbana? I'll bring beer and pizza and my pregnant wife cause she is my chauffer.

More to come. I got them both for around 150 shipped total because i got some good deals on this forum. so i will say it is the best subwoofer investment i have ever made. I would really like to hear the RSDc line when they come out. And will be getting them as soon as they do.

IonSQL
01-05-2008, 03:07 PM
Nice... what are the specs on your box?

innsanes
01-05-2008, 03:38 PM
http://home.insightbb.com/~sdp/d2400.jpg

there tis. Another great refurb i have gotten from ikesound. **** I have bought a lot of good deals from them. I can't honestly believe there are people that had problems with them, but I hear people talk about it every once in a while.

1200 worms of power, kinda like these
http://www.thewormcastcompany.co.uk/catalog/images/worms%201.jpg

ha, ikesound can **** it, they took 3 weeks to respond to an order i made and then later told me they ran out.

skydeaner
01-06-2008, 12:39 AM
***** to be you i guess. lol no offense or anything. Was that long time ago or something? Also, my box is 1.4 cubes per rsd heavily stuffed.

tcguy85
01-06-2008, 01:03 AM
cool. nice to hear that you like the subs. i still can't get over how good the comps sound. i was just blasting some Dream Thaater and OMG! :-)

DeboDaddy
01-06-2008, 01:06 AM
Not to threadjack, but I just got my RSD12's in yesterday... I have 2 of them sealed at 1.9cu.ft per sub. My amp won't be here till monday, but I hooked up one of them to my buddy's Kenwood 1000w amp, and it hit as hard, if not harder than his 15" MTX, with gains set VERY low for break-in.

I'm running 200 wrms a piece to them right now for break-in, and they are absolutely STARVING for more power. I'll give a review once I get everything set up next week, but I hope it turns out as good as yours did skydeaner.

I sure hope 450 wrms a piece is enough for them. If its not, it looks like i'll be buying another new amp soon... :)

IonSQL
01-06-2008, 01:08 AM
I've been thinking about buying a single one and running it sealed on 600w, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be enough :(

tcguy85
01-06-2008, 01:14 AM
Not to threadjack, but I just got my RSD12's in yesterday... I have 2 of them sealed at 1.9cu.ft per sub. My amp won't be here till monday, but I hooked up one of them to my buddy's Kenwood 1000w amp, and it hit as hard, if not harder than his 15" MTX, with gains set VERY low for break-in.

I'm running 200 wrms a piece to them right now for break-in, and they are absolutely STARVING for more power. I'll give a review once I get everything set up next week, but I hope it turns out as good as yours did skydeaner.

I sure hope 450 wrms a piece is enough for them. If its not, it looks like i'll be buying another new amp soon... :)

don't worry about break in.... just set the gains right and let it rip!

DeboDaddy
01-06-2008, 01:20 AM
I've been thinking about buying a single one and running it sealed on 600w, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be enough :(

You don't think 600w will be enough for 1? ****, did I really screw up buying that amp or what? I thought 450 each would be perfect...

tcguy85
01-06-2008, 01:22 AM
You don't think 600w will be enough for 1? ****, did I really screw up buying that amp or what? I thought 450 each would be perfect...

450 going to each 12 should be plenty. should get loud enough.

if you wanna run a single one more power wouldn't hurt.

skydeaner
01-06-2008, 02:41 AM
I dont know how much these amps have actually been benched at (directed d2400 {and a refurb at that}), but I can reach the farthest extents of the RSD 12's with the 1200rms this amp quotes and that is in 1.4 cubes. So either i have a freakishly powerful one (after being refurbished ???) or 600wrms a piece is more than enough to get these babies pumpin. I could clamp it and see how much they are really takin but i don't have the time right now... stay tuned lol.


What kenwood amp does your friend have debo? Maybe it isn't doin rated wattage. Also, what amp are you going to have runnin?

And Ionsql considering the price for everything i am about to say; there are few woofers that are louder and as musical. Tradeoffs start happening which ever way you want to go. More musical/less output more output/less musical ya know. Or just an entire pricerange difference like IDMAX's lol.

skydeaner
01-06-2008, 03:34 AM
don't worry about break in.... just set the gains right and let it rip!

Indeed. A lot of people don't beleive in break in, and neither do i. Mine take the 600wrms right off the bat.

IonSQL
01-06-2008, 10:05 AM
You don't think 600w will be enough for 1? ****, did I really screw up buying that amp or what? I thought 450 each would be perfect...

No, I'm sure 600w will be enough power for that sub, as would 450, what I meant was that I'm sure that single sub isn't going to be enough output for my tastes :)

notoriousroc1
01-06-2008, 10:22 AM
So how do the RSD65CS speakers compare to Pioneer Rev series components? There is no way they sound better than speakers > $500. Any thoughts?

tcguy85
01-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Indeed. A lot of people don't beleive in break in, and neither do i. Mine take the 600wrms right off the bat.

well i do believe that speakers change after the first few hours or so but that doesn't mean you can give them full power right from the start.

i noticed a change in both my RSD comp set and My Dayton H.O. after a few hours of playtime. but i didn't baby them at first. as long as your gains are set right and your not clipping the amp then give it hell.

skydeaner
01-06-2008, 12:50 PM
well i do believe that speakers change after the first few hours or so but that doesn't mean you can give them full power right from the start.

i noticed a change in both my RSD comp set and My Dayton H.O. after a few hours of playtime. but i didn't baby them at first. as long as your gains are set right and your not clipping the amp then give it hell.


I agree, i didn't mean i completely dont believe in it. Of course the spiders are going to stretch and loosen as they are made of cloth and of course that is going to impact sound.

And notoriousroc the only components i have had over that price range would have been my ADS 346cs comps and that is just retail price. They were msrp'd at 599.99 and i think the rsd's sound better with a more liveley midrange and a smoother slightly less harsh tweet.

If i could change one thing about the set it would be a lower crossover point with steeper slopes. And eventually i might do so actively. I'm thinkin 2.5k would sound good. I have heard factory is around 3.5k

DeboDaddy
01-06-2008, 01:19 PM
What kenwood amp does your friend have debo? Maybe it isn't doin rated wattage. Also, what amp are you going to have runnin?


My buddy has the KAC-7203, and I ordered the KAC-9103D.

His is rated at 500x1 wRMS@4ohm, but I had the gains set VERY low because the sub excursion was scaring me. :D I just don't like beating the hell out of them when they are brand new, that's all...

Mine is rated at 900w RMS @ 2ohm, which is how I'll have them wired, so 450 a piece... If the Kenwood's put out what they're rated at.

Here's some crutchfield links to his and my amps. (and no, I didn't buy it from there... lol)

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=120&i=113KAC7203&tp=115
http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=120&i=113KAC9103&tp=115

skydeaner
01-07-2008, 12:19 AM
They are fused at 60 amps.. At 14.4v 60 amps would be 864 watts with 100 efficiency. At the 80% efficiency that good class d's can reach you are actually gettin roughly 700 watts seems kinda odd considering it is CEA 2006 rated, maybe their 2 ohm rating isn't cea rated but their 4 ohm rating is...

Edit:
Or maybe it will do more and you will have to upgrade the fuses. The Audison LRX5.1K is fused at 100 amps and can pull a hell of a lot more and requires a fuse upgrade when running its lower rated impedance load on all channels. Specs are so ungoverned even with CEA and everything there is no way to tell til you play with the amp.

skydeaner
01-08-2008, 07:02 PM
Vids as promised.

Here is a link to my old 11kv.2's i had three of them in 1.98 cubes shared airspace. link (http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Elemental%20Designs/11kv2.1.wmv)

And now with the rsd 12's 1.4 cubes each one link (http://home.insightbb.com/~sdp/2pgrsd12s2.avi)
two link (http://home.insightbb.com/~sdp/2pgrsd12s3.avi)

These will be goin on roe also.

http://home.insightbb.com/~sdp/boxfront.jpg
Aint it purdy

budahbuddy803
01-08-2008, 07:03 PM
your box looks nice!

skydeaner
01-09-2008, 12:35 AM
thank ya sir

kidwolf909
01-09-2008, 12:38 AM
thank ya sir

Are those cones ACTUALLY aluminum? Or are they spun aluminum fabric like the RSD65cs's? Just curious...

tcguy85
01-09-2008, 01:17 AM
i think they are the same material as the comp set.i may be wrong though.

Kidwolf: the cone on the Dayton you ordered is 100% aluminum though. it's a **** black anodized aluminum. :-)

i think the OP needs a better camera BTW. the sound was all screwy.

DeboDaddy
01-09-2008, 01:27 AM
They are fused at 60 amps.. At 14.4v 60 amps would be 864 watts with 100 efficiency. At the 80% efficiency that good class d's can reach you are actually gettin roughly 700 watts seems kinda odd considering it is CEA 2006 rated, maybe their 2 ohm rating isn't cea rated but their 4 ohm rating is...

Edit:
Or maybe it will do more and you will have to upgrade the fuses. The Audison LRX5.1K is fused at 100 amps and can pull a hell of a lot more and requires a fuse upgrade when running its lower rated impedance load on all channels. Specs are so ungoverned even with CEA and everything there is no way to tell til you play with the amp.

Ya know, my buddies KAC-7203 blows fuses very often when hooked up to another buddy's Konaki 12". I also tried my 2 RSD's bridged on his amp yesterday, and it blew the fuses in 5 seconds. How do I know what I can safely fuse it to without the risk of harming anything, or is it just a guessing game?

An update on my amp: I received it from UPS Monday... Opened it up, the box was the original Kenwood box marked 9103D. Cracked her open and there lies a KAC-7203. I was HEATED!!!! I called up the company I bought it off of, and they said they were sorry for the inconvenience, but that it was how they received it from Kenwood. Long story short, the correct amp should be here by Friday.

skydeaner
01-09-2008, 07:22 AM
Kidwolf - The cones are thick plastic with the aluminum look just like the components.

Debo - The only way to tell would be with an oscope to make sure the amp wasn't clipping after putting a bigger fuse in and upping the power. Or shoot an email over to kenwood and see what they say. And you shoulda kept that 7203 for your rsd comps and forced them to send you the right amp anyway lol.

TC guy - sound is always screwy like that when loud bass is involved. It makes the microphone of almost any camera clip/distort. But it was just my digital camera taking videos anyways.

skydeaner
01-10-2008, 10:39 PM
I wish everyone was allowed to change thread titles lol.

adio
01-11-2008, 04:05 AM
i have to no idea what the fu#k is goin on........ :(

well i don't know if the the comps are just weak as hell, the amp is bullshit or what. they are wired in phase, but the barley move ( the mid ) the only time i got some descent excursion ( and they got fairly loud) is when i put my EQ on 'superbass' ( i have a pioneer 6700). so i thought, maybe it is the deadening. i torn some off. the comps still sound the same. these things should be screamin with 200 watts a side:mad: . idk y everybody who drives around with a stock system, u could hear the words from the music loud and clear but from my car, u can't hear ****

Troydb
01-11-2008, 12:38 PM
They are fused at 60 amps.. At 14.4v 60 amps would be 864 watts with 100 efficiency. At the 80% efficiency that good class d's can reach you are actually gettin roughly 700 watts seems kinda odd considering it is CEA 2006 rated, maybe their 2 ohm rating isn't cea rated but their 4 ohm rating is...

Edit:
Or maybe it will do more and you will have to upgrade the fuses. The Audison LRX5.1K is fused at 100 amps and can pull a hell of a lot more and requires a fuse upgrade when running its lower rated impedance load on all channels. Specs are so ungoverned even with CEA and everything there is no way to tell til you play with the amp.

CEA Compliance in ONLY for a 4 ohm load. What the amp does at 2, 1, or less ohm loads in not tested. Here's a quote from CEA:


On May 28, 2003, the Consumer Electronics Association published standard CEA-2006, "Testing & Measurement Methods for Mobile Audio Amplifiers." This "voluntary" standard advocates a uniform method for determining an amplifier's RMS power and signal-to-noise ratio. Using 14.4 volts, RMS watts are measured into a 4-ohm impedance load at 1 percent Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) plus noise, at a frequency range (for general purpose amplifiers) of 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz. Signal-to-Noise ratio is measured in weighted absolute decibels (dBA) at a reference of 1 watt into 4 ohms. This applies to both external amplifiers and the amplifiers within in-dash receivers.

skydeaner
01-12-2008, 01:56 PM
very nice to know troy, thanks.

skydeaner
01-18-2008, 01:24 AM
oh yeah and teh 12's sound like doodie up top. I have them crossed at around 70hz 12db and then again at 90hz 12db and will soon be smothering them with somethign from the 880prs i am getting. I am looking forward to it's 36db slope on the sub crossover for these puppies lol.

tcguy85
01-18-2008, 01:52 AM
oh yeah and teh 12's sound like doodie up top. I have them crossed at around 70hz 12db and then again at 90hz 12db and will soon be smothering them with somethign from the 880prs i am getting. I am looking forward to it's 36db slope on the sub crossover for these puppies lol.

try the subs and comps both at 63hz/12 db, or maybe the subs at 50hz/12db and the comps at 63hz/12db. somewhere in that range. the subs will blend better with the fronts that way anyway. and the rsd comps can handle being crossed at 63hz/12db w/o a problem.

and once you get the 880 i think you'll find the 24db slopes to be plenty. i have everything crossed with 24db slopes with mine.

skydeaner
01-20-2008, 01:05 PM
can you do 63hz/24db with it? I listen to rap so if you can that is probably where i will have them set.

What did you set your crossovers at after trying the 880prs out for a while. I read your thread a while ago over at diyma but here lately i havent been able to find it so i dont know what you settled on for crossover points. Someone said not to go below 4k on the tweeter, i dont know if that was you or not. I think i am going to leave a gap as weird as that sounds. I plan on trying the tweeters at 4k 24db and the woofers at 3.2k 24db

tcguy85
01-20-2008, 01:29 PM
can you do 63hz/24db with it? I listen to rap so if you can that is probably where i will have them set.

What did you set your crossovers at after trying the 880prs out for a while. I read your thread a while ago over at diyma but here lately i havent been able to find it so i dont know what you settled on for crossover points. Someone said not to go below 4k on the tweeter, i dont know if that was you or not. I think i am going to leave a gap as weird as that sounds. I plan on trying the tweeters at 4k 24db and the woofers at 3.2k 24db

yes the 880 will so 63hz/24db, on both the sub and the comps. if i was to play rap loudly i would probably stick the sub and comps both at 80hz/24db. thats just me though, i wouldn't wanna risk hurtin the comps with rap.

i started off with 2.5k on the mid and 3.15k on the tweeter both at 24db slopes. that is actually what i have stuck with still after almost a week. the tweeters take it fine and they def would have shown signs of a problem by now with the way i have been listening at certain times. the slight gap between 2.5 and 3.15k sounds nice too. i needed a little less in that region and this took care of that. it sounds reaaaal nice.

the mid-bass is even crazier now with them run active as well.

skydeaner
01-20-2008, 09:57 PM
awesome i am really lookin forward to it. I got a factory refurb from sonic electronix for 286+shipping. I think that is more than fair for a deck i know just came back from pioneer and coming from an authorized online retailer like sonic.

tcguy85
01-21-2008, 12:19 AM
^ cool. good luck with it. let me know how it works out for ya.

skydeaner
01-22-2008, 12:44 AM
god **** piece of **** holiday just slows **** down even more. God i wish i could have bought local and could have been playing with it already.

tcguy85
01-22-2008, 01:44 AM
god **** piece of **** holiday just slows **** down even more. God i wish i could have bought local and could have been playing with it already.

when are you supposed to get it in? it'll be worth the wait. lol

skydeaner
01-22-2008, 11:59 AM
i dunno they coulda shipped yesterday if it wasn't for the holiday. So they will be shipping today now and i wont get it until at least monday because they are based out of california.

skydeaner
01-23-2008, 01:44 PM
Ha!, i knew this wuld happen. When i ordered my refurb it was the last one listed. Well it turns out it hasn't been refurbished yet, it was just broken period. So I get a brand new one at the refurb price!!! yipee! Full warranty at refurb cost FTMFW!

edit: Nice new avatar tc!

Troydb
01-23-2008, 02:43 PM
Ha!, i knew this wuld happen. When i ordered my refurb it was the last one listed. Well it turns out it hasn't been refurbished yet, it was just broken period. So I get a brand new one at the refurb price!!! yipee! Full warranty at refurb cost FTMFW!

edit: Nice new avatar tc!

****. You got the luck, but have you seen the new 800prs? The black is pure ***!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/Images/DEH-P800PRS_main_lrg.jpg

skydeaner
01-23-2008, 02:46 PM
****, fo shizzle

edit: That says 800prs? What's different?

skydeaner
01-30-2008, 08:28 PM
Wow, my opinion of the rsd's is now raised even higher.

I didn't expect as much of a difference as i got. All the harshness from the speakers is gone. I haven't even had time to dial everything in quite yet and it sounds 10x times better. I will post a more subjective review after i tune everything properly.

tcguy85
01-30-2008, 08:53 PM
Wow, my opinion of the rsd's is now raised even higher.

I didn't expect as much of a difference as i got. All the harshness from the speakers is gone. I haven't even had time to dial everything in quite yet and it sounds 10x times better. I will post a more subjective review after i tune everything properly.

what exactly did you change?

edit: i see from your sig you got them going active. what crossover points and stuff? details???

skydeaner
02-01-2008, 05:36 PM
Ok what i am finally resting with for a while is the tweet crossed at 5k/24db, the mids at 63/24db and 3.15k/24db and the sub at 80/24db. It sounds absolutely perfect. I know it seems like a rather large frequency gap, but really i think it is needed to tame the peaks in that area. Maybe it is my install or vehicle that is doin it, who knows. The tweets dont take much to get loud but the mids still eat 100 watts or so pretty easy. Having a 63hz/24db rolloff for the highpass on the mids really makes the midbass come alive even more. Overall i think rsd's active are the way to go for a really cheap audiophile grade experience.

tcguy85
02-01-2008, 07:49 PM
have you tried crossing the mid from 50hz/24db to 2.5k/24db, and the tweeter at 3.15k? thats what i found best so far, at least in my car in my install. those were my initial settings and i keep going back to them. i never tried them at 3.15k for the mids and 5k for the tweets though, i'll try it just for the hell of it though.

if you think the mids sound good at 63hz/24db, try them at 50hz/24db. well unless you listen to rap and music like that, idk how well the mid would like playing rap at a 50hz crossover point but i don't listen to any.

and i agree about the power, the tweets don't need much at all, and the mids will take anything i can throw at them.

they do sound very very good active.

mikeyq926
02-02-2008, 12:13 AM
has anyone here heard the PGs amped and on the HU? reason is my amps are coming next week. right now they are connected to the HU. what difference should i expect when i amp them?

tcguy85
02-02-2008, 12:16 AM
has anyone here heard the PGs amped and on the HU? reason is my amps are coming next week. right now they are connected to the HU. what difference should i expect when i amp them?

you'll have a LOT more output and a lot more mid-bass. and just overall cleaner sound. how much power will you be giving them?

mikeyq926
02-02-2008, 12:17 AM
prolly 120-150. don't wanna go overboard.

tcguy85
02-02-2008, 12:22 AM
prolly 120-150. don't wanna go overboard.

well right now i have 205 on tap for each mid, and 22 on tap for each tweeter. i am buying a DD S4 though, so that'll give me 200 per mid and 100 per tweeter. way overkill but tons of headroom.

i think when i have them cranked pretty good, the mids might see about 80 watts just by themselves and the tweeters maybe 10-15 watts. the mids will take tons of power but the tweeters won't need very much.

i am getting that amp cause i know someday i will upgrade to different drivers that could possibly end up being 6 or 8 ohms. so then i should still have enough power for those as well. i see these DD amps being the last amps i'll buy for a good long time! they are something to hold onto.

mikeyq926
02-02-2008, 12:25 AM
i will prolly go active once i get a new HU later on. the amp i ordered is a 4ch. 75x4. but bridged its 225x2. can't wait!


how is the 880prs btw? where did you order it from?

tcguy85
02-02-2008, 12:45 AM
i will prolly go active once i get a new HU later on. the amp i ordered is a 4ch. 75x4. but bridged its 225x2. can't wait!


how is the 880prs btw? where did you order it from?

that sounds good. you'll have plenty of power for them passive if bridged.

are your doors deadened and sealed? if not you need to do so.

i love the 880. endless options. i got it used but in mint cond for 270 shipped from a guy on here.

skydeaner
02-02-2008, 12:17 PM
have you tried crossing the mid from 50hz/24db to 2.5k/24db, and the tweeter at 3.15k? thats what i found best so far, at least in my car in my install. those were my initial settings and i keep going back to them. i never tried them at 3.15k for the mids and 5k for the tweets though, i'll try it just for the hell of it though.

if you think the mids sound good at 63hz/24db, try them at 50hz/24db. well unless you listen to rap and music like that, idk how well the mid would like playing rap at a 50hz crossover point but i don't listen to any.

and i agree about the power, the tweets don't need much at all, and the mids will take anything i can throw at them.

they do sound very very good active.

I didn't know the tweeters would be able to handle that low of a x-over point. I will give your points a try also. The wife is gone with the car right now, but i will try it later tonight or tomorrow and let ya know what i think. I am so glad i invested in the 880 to go active though. It is like when i was 16 and gettin high and listening to music, only without having to be high for it to sound that good lol. This is of course a very untechnical way of explaining things. To be more specific, the soundstage of the system now that ihave T/A capabilities is very wide and just about chest heighth and the sound is extremely dynamic and low distortion even at high output.

and hamburgers with salso con queso, tabasco sauce and pepperoni's is simply delicious

skydeaner
02-04-2008, 12:29 AM
ok so a seperate tweeter amp or a higher power midbass amp are in order. The output has went down substantially going from bridged passive to active 4 channel. I am deciding weather to add another set of rsd's up front or getting a tweeter amp. With how these sound at this point I might get more output from a second set of rsd's. Then custom panels, both woofers in door, and both tweeters in the kicks. It would be so easy I think i just talked myself into it. :)

And i got an ohio gen 160a alt for my matrix for such a good deal i am thinking about reselling it. They quoted me 525 for this alt when i called them. Lets just say i could sell it for substantially less and still make a hellofa profit. But of course i'm gonna try it out first. I am anxious to see what the amps do when they stay at 14.5v instead of dropping to 11.9 lol.

tcguy85
02-04-2008, 01:12 AM
ok so a seperate tweeter amp or a higher power midbass amp are in order. The output has went down substantially going from bridged passive to active 4 channel. I am deciding weather to add another set of rsd's up front or getting a tweeter amp. With how these sound at this point I might get more output from a second set of rsd's. Then custom panels, both woofers in door, and both tweeters in the kicks. It would be so easy I think i just talked myself into it. :)

And i got an ohio gen 160a alt for my matrix for such a good deal i am thinking about reselling it. They quoted me 525 for this alt when i called them. Lets just say i could sell it for substantially less and still make a hellofa profit. But of course i'm gonna try it out first. I am anxious to see what the amps do when they stay at 14.5v instead of dropping to 11.9 lol.

how much power do you have per channel?

i am selling a pretty big 2 channel kicker that right now is powering my mids very nicely.

did you try the mids and tweeters crossed lower yet? i think the tweeters handle the 3.15k/24db crossover setting i have them at just fine.

skydeaner
02-04-2008, 02:56 PM
Yeah i tried it out and they handle it fine, but again in the 3-4.5k range ihave an enormous peak in my car, so i just set them back to 4k. Then i dont have to eq that range out at all, the rolloffs just take care of it. So i think my final resting place will be woofers at 2.5 and tweeters at 4k as weird as that sounds. It has to be my vehicle acoustics or something. I think i am just going to pick up another set of rsd's if possible. I would love to have that amp though, i just dont have that much cash.

tcguy85
02-04-2008, 04:14 PM
i also just tried mine at 2.5k for the mid and 4k for the tweet both still at 24db slopes. seemed to make them sound even more smooth.

idk if you read this thread i made but i emailed PG for the hell of it to ask the FS and a recommendation on how low the tweeters should play. read here... http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289801

they are saying they can safely play down to 2.5-3k. i was a bit worried about keeping them safe at 3.15k but they say it's fine and that we can go even lower if we want. i might try the mids at 2k and the tweet at 2.5k just to see.

skydeaner
02-04-2008, 11:30 PM
Interesting indeed. Imma have to give a whirl as well.

skydeaner
02-12-2008, 09:43 AM
Man my ****in rattles **** me off so bad sometimes i just feel like giving up on car audio.

Punk In Drublic
01-18-2009, 01:39 AM
Just ordered a pair for myself :)

Should definitely be a step up from the Polk Co-Axials I'm running now.

smoka
02-02-2009, 02:41 AM
Do you guys know if the tweeter can be surface mounted to the grill of the midbass?

19992wdtaco
02-22-2009, 07:09 PM
I just ordered a set should be here by thursday. I want to run my wiring before they get here. Where are you guys putting the tweeter, not sure if the set likes the tweeter within 2" of the mid or higher up like on the sail panels?

skydeaner
02-23-2009, 04:00 AM
I liked the tweeter near the mids, in my kicks specifically. I had them in the sails originally. It just didn't work for me, and i had time alignment correct. They just aren't tweeters i want next to my ears.