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kingkong101
12-06-2007, 11:46 PM
My friend has i think the hifonics titan 6406 amp (85rms x4 ) and he is looking for 6.5 components for less than 150 dollars shipped. What should he get hes looking for SQ and loudness not so much bass because he has subs

kingkong101
12-06-2007, 11:47 PM
he said he can bridge to over 150rms to each channel (but only two obviously) if their is a good set that requires that much

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 12:11 AM
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13688 ??

http://sonicelectronix.com/item_4284_Boston+Acoustics+S60.html??

http://sonicelectronix.com/item_7446_JBL+P650C.html

Can you put the tweets in the dash?

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 11:58 AM
He needs a set that has less than or equal to 2.25 top mount depth.. He said he can bump it up to 200 shipped if its worth it. Can he run 80 watt rms 5x7 rear speakers off the deck? Because he can push bridged power to the front and be very loud and clear with the right speakers. Please someone give a bit of input, can you put the tweeters from the 6.5's in the dash? or do they have to be next to eachother

JimJ
12-07-2007, 12:01 PM
Tell him not to use the 5x7's.

DejaWiz
12-07-2007, 12:07 PM
Tell him not to use the 5x7's.

QFT. Check out Pioneer 6.5 REV comps.

grampi
12-07-2007, 12:19 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ILLUSION-AUDIO-Luccent-Lm-6-speakers-Mid-Bass_W0QQitemZ170173978050QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18799 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 03:29 PM
Thanks a lot you would pick the pioneer over any other component 6.5 under 200 dollars?

JimJ
12-07-2007, 03:30 PM
I'd pick DIY sets for under $200.

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 03:47 PM
what??

dragnix
12-07-2007, 03:48 PM
what??

source out separate mids, tweets, then contact someone to make u a custom passive xover

JimJ
12-07-2007, 03:49 PM
then contact someone to make u a custom passive xover

While that would work, unless he knows exactly the crossover frequencies and slopes that'll work best in his vehicle, it's best just to run them active...

dragnix
12-07-2007, 03:52 PM
While that would work, unless he knows exactly the crossover frequencies and slopes that'll work best in his vehicle, it's best just to run them active...

but then that is to assume he is knowledgeable enough to run active. Not saying it is hard, just saying it takes a bit of learning

JimJ
12-07-2007, 03:53 PM
Not saying it is hard, just saying it takes a bit of learning

Seems like people here are becoming allergic to that :D

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 03:53 PM
right.. well hows the eclipse http://sonicelectronix.com/item_9221_Eclipse+SC6500.html

he has have 5 1/4infinity kappas in the front doors right now
So hes going to put whatever 6 1/2 in the door and the tweeter up by the dash. So as long as its much better than the 52.7 kappas he was be sound as a pound :)

dragnix
12-07-2007, 03:54 PM
Seems like people here are becoming allergic to that :D

they just need to use the Search button, that's all i did for a year prior to registering. I have learned that the forum flames burns deeply into ur soul :fyi:

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 03:59 PM
... yes or no would they out perform the kappas lol

dragnix
12-07-2007, 04:03 PM
i've always liked Eclipse stuff, so i'll say yes :crazy:

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 04:06 PM
your crazy man. Will it get very loud? their only 75 rms... they have only 84 sensivity though isn't that crappy?

JimJ
12-07-2007, 04:07 PM
they have only 84 sensivity though isn't that crappy?

Not with that much power.

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 04:13 PM
Im going to be honest for a second. How can i learn all of these things? I am a complete motor head, ask me a question about the perfect cam for your car or how to install a driveshaft. For some reason my brain isn't good at speakers. Im sorry if i come off as stupid. JimJ.. For a nice, simple set up, what 6.5 component setup with equal or less than 2.25 top mount depth for under or around 200 dollars would you recommend? My friends name is john he just got into a sled accident and is in a coma and his parents want me to help them with his system while hes out, they also want me to install 3.73's, and aluminum driveshaft, and a lunati cam in his car. Ok so thank you i probobly gave way too much info but yes.

dragnix
12-07-2007, 04:13 PM
your crazy man. Will it get very loud? their only 75 rms... they have only 84 sensivity though isn't that crappy?

power ratings is pretty much irrelevant since the way manufacturers rate them differs. And as far as sensitivity goes, it should only means u need more power for them :D

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 04:17 PM
should i give them 85 watt rms or should i bridge him to just 2 channels and give the speakers 340 rms? or would that blow them to smitherines?

dragnix
12-07-2007, 04:18 PM
it all depends on how u set ur gain. Just because the amp is stated to give 340watts, doesn't mean u automatically do so just by bridging the amp

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 04:22 PM
ok so how do you think it would sound? like wow nice system or like.. yea its decent.

JimJ
12-07-2007, 04:23 PM
Im going to be honest for a second. How can i learn all of these things? I am a complete motor head, ask me a question about the perfect cam for your car or how to install a driveshaft. For some reason my brain isn't good at speakers. Im sorry if i come off as stupid. JimJ.. For a nice, simple set up, what 6.5 component setup with equal or less than 2.25 top mount depth for under or around 200 dollars would you recommend? My friends name is john he just got into a sled accident and is in a coma and his parents want me to help them with his system while hes out, they also want me to install 3.73's, and aluminum driveshaft, and a lunati cam in his car. Ok so thank you i probobly gave way too much info but yes.

See, my mechanical knowledge stops past changing oil and spark plugs :D

My point with DIY was that all these passive sets have fixed crossovers, which can't be ideal for every installation out there. Having the ability to fine tune that can make a huge difference, head units have built-in crossovers that can do this, or there are external units that go in-line between the head unit and amplifiers.

Once you've broken free from the passive-set mentality, you can shop around for individual drivers that may have more value than something that a company threw together to sell as a set...make sense?

I like to go here: http://www.zaphaudio.com to get some ideas for individual stuff, it's a good starting point for a lot of common DIY drivers.

I've also heard some good setups that used tweeters and midbasses that came from a passive set, but were bi-amped actively instead.

Regardless of what you end up with, installation is key. That means deadening the doors solidly, sealing up large holes for air to escape, making sure the speakers are mounted on something solid like an MDF baffle and clay.

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 04:38 PM
alright well.. Honestly im not really looking to do a DIY.. I just want to buy a nice 6.5 component set lol. Im sorry if im sounding stubborn and trust me when people ask me which supercharger to get and i tell them to do turbo, and they keep asking which supercharger, it gets annoying, im sure thats the position your in. BUT . COMPARED to 52.7 KAPPAS, how would the eclipse sc6500 sound? component vs. regular. And are you sure the car wouldn't sound more full with the rears still in their? im having a hard time understanding that, the music coming at you in every direction versus just the front.

JimJ
12-07-2007, 04:39 PM
im having a hard time understanding that, the music coming at you in every direction versus just the front.

When you go to a concert, do you have music coming at you from all directions?

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 04:43 PM
Infinity Kappa 60.7CS- compared to the eclipse system?

you know, thats a good point. But what about at a movie thearter?

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 04:45 PM
http://sonicelectronix.com/item_6427_Beyma+RFK-62+-BLACK+BOX-.html

the beyma.. they have 50 rms though, how are they?

dragnix
12-07-2007, 04:59 PM
Infinity Kappa 60.7CS- compared to the eclipse system?

you know, thats a good point. But what about at a movie thearter?

ur not watching a movie when ur driving are u? ;)

Besides, movies use 5.1 recording where as music only utilize 2 channels, left and right, or stereo if u will. Rarely are there music recorded in 5.1, unless ur talking about music videos

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 05:01 PM
ok i understand that but which would you pick for this application between the eclipse beyma and kappa component sets for loudness and SQ. He already has subs so bass is not a issue, of course he needs some midbass though.

DejaWiz
12-07-2007, 05:03 PM
you know, thats a good point. But what about at a movie thearter?

Much different scenario. Unless you are going to be running a dedicated surround sound processor in your car, there is almost no need for duplicate front and rear stereo speakers. I say almost and not absolutely no need for it because some people do prefer rear fill.

[ninja edit] ^ already answered

My advice: Try it without the rears for now, that way you can dump your entire speaker budget into getting the best front stage you can afford. If, after a few weeks/couple months of getting the front stage and sub stage blended to your liking, you feel you're missing the rears, then get some decent coaxials and power them off the hu or a small amp.

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 06:36 PM
Ok i completely understand That now. between the

Eclipse SC6500

Beyma RFK-62 (BLACK BOX)

Sound quality and loudness which one should he pick with a 85 watt per channel amp??? PLEASE GOD ANSWER ME

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 06:36 PM
Or can i jack them both with 340rms and will they blow?

DejaWiz
12-07-2007, 06:38 PM
Out of those, I'd go Eclipse. But I'd still rather take the Pioneer REV comps.


Or can i jack them both with 340rms and will they blow?


Click the link in my sig. You don't have to sent the full 340rms to them. You can tailor it how you want. And since that's the case....if you want killer midbass and decent SQ on the cheap, get a set of RSd65cs (http://search.stores.ebay.com/AUDIOSAVINGS-ELECTRONICS-SUPERSTORE_rsd65cs_W0QQfsnZAUDIOSAVINGSQ20ELECTRON ICSQ20SUPERSTOREQQi5.xZ0QQi5.yZ0QQsaselZ116576208Q QsofpZ0QQsspagenameZVIStoreHeaderSearch) and sent them around 2x150w rms.

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 06:42 PM
Diamond Audio S600A (HEX S600 w/ Aluminum Dome Tweeters) these will fit but their much more expensive would they be worth it?

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 06:42 PM
and if you think the REV are better than the diamonds i cant figure out the top mount depth for the rev and it cant be more than 2.25

DejaWiz
12-07-2007, 06:43 PM
Diamond Audio S600A (HEX S600 w/ Aluminum Dome Tweeters) these will fit but their much more expensive would they be worth it?

If you're going to spend that much I'd recommend the Pioneer TS-C720PRS's and maybe even an active crossover.

DejaWiz
12-07-2007, 06:45 PM
and if you think the REV are better than the diamonds i cant figure out the top mount depth for the rev and it cant be more than 2.25

They're 2 3/8" (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069898_35027_tab=B,00.html?compName=PNA _V3_ProductDetailsComponent) deep.

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 06:49 PM
Any other suggestions because i kind of tihnk i want the diamond audio now

DejaWiz
12-07-2007, 06:57 PM
Do you have any place locally that you can audition speaker at? If so, have you already done so and which speakers have you auditioned?

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 07:52 PM
no i have not auditioned the pioneers OR the diamonds. Any other suggestions? Would the diamonds sound good with the hifoncs 85 rms per channel amp?

DejaWiz
12-07-2007, 07:53 PM
no i have not auditioned the pioneers OR the diamonds. Any other suggestions? Would the diamonds sound good with the hifoncs 85 rms per channel amp?

I much prefer the sound of the Revs or the 720PRS's, as I think the Diamonds are a bit shrill in the highs, but that is merely my opinion.

kingkong101
12-07-2007, 08:57 PM
i would DEFINITELY do rev's IF i had enough top mount depth lol

DejaWiz
12-07-2007, 10:11 PM
i would DEFINITELY do rev's IF i had enough top mount depth lol

You still might be able to fit if you have enough room between the speaker mount and the door panel to use a thin MDF spacer.

grampi
12-08-2007, 09:41 AM
and if you think the REV are better than the diamonds i cant figure out the top mount depth for the rev and it cant be more than 2.25

You're in the same boat I'm in. My car only allows for 2.3" of mounting depth which seriously limits your choices. This is part of the reason I'm going with the Illusion Audio Luccent LM-6 mids. The other part is they are incredibly inexpensive. They're only $45 shipped. For that price they're worth a try. Use them with the tweeter of your choice.

kingkong101
12-08-2007, 10:43 AM
All i need is some people to tell me they think that _____ is a kick *** 6.5 component speaker with 2.25 top mount depth and a couple others to agree with 85 rms and im float

kingkong101
12-08-2007, 11:17 AM
your in australia? can we somehow do that through pay pal??

kingkong101
12-08-2007, 11:18 AM
now a few of you out of honesty need to say to me "wow that would sound better than the eclipse system at 85 rms so get those" By the way my friend is still ina coma and they are starting surger at 4 pm.. im throwing up about it

DejaWiz
12-08-2007, 11:32 AM
Sorry to hear about your friend, man. Hope everything goes well.

As for the comps, I'm still going to suggest the REVs with the use of a thin spacer.

grampi
12-08-2007, 11:46 AM
now a few of you out of honesty need to say to me "wow that would sound better than the eclipse system at 85 rms so get those" By the way my friend is still ina coma and they are starting surger at 4 pm.. im throwing up about it

Sorry about your friend. I hope he comes through it okay.

dragnix
12-08-2007, 11:51 AM
spacers man, u can fit almost anything with those :laugh:

grampi
12-08-2007, 12:52 PM
All i need is some people to tell me they think that _____ is a kick *** 6.5 component speaker with 2.25 top mount depth and a couple others to agree with 85 rms and im float

Good luck with that.

JimJ
12-08-2007, 12:54 PM
now a few of you out of honesty need to say to me "wow that would sound better than the eclipse system at 85 rms so get those" By the way my friend is still ina coma and they are starting surger at 4 pm.. im throwing up about it

Both are entry-level stuff, I really can't give it more than a "meh".

Sorry.

Hope your friend pulls out of it.

kingkong101
12-08-2007, 07:23 PM
dejawiz can i still use the stock speaker grills with it?? because i have to

DejaWiz
12-08-2007, 07:53 PM
dejawiz can i still use the stock speaker grills with it?? because i have to

You'll have to measure, bud. It's all going to depend on how much physical space you have between the speaker mount and the door panel.

mazzasec
12-08-2007, 09:08 PM
Did you find a set yet? I try doing the same i need a good component set.

kingkong101
12-08-2007, 09:43 PM
im probobly going to get the REV's