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mazzasec
12-02-2007, 11:00 PM
I am looking for a good set of components. budget around 150-200 dollars. My subwoofer setup will be either 2 FI bl's or 2 ICONS. They will be LOUD so im looking for some good components that can get loud so that the only thing i wont hear is bass. I will be running them off a JL e6450 amp. Here the specs to the amp

http://www.carsound.com/articles/publish/article_268.shtml

JimJ
12-02-2007, 11:03 PM
...could always turn the subs down?

For $200, I'd run Seas paper cone midbasses, Vifa tweets, run them active...you've got the amp channels for it.

redcalimp5
12-02-2007, 11:53 PM
You want the ability to get LOUD and still sound good? Here's the perfect set for you for $200....

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273132

HoeBag
12-03-2007, 01:36 AM
you can find some nice focal component sets on fleabay for your price range

lyttleviet
12-03-2007, 03:38 AM
Hoebag has joined the darkness.

mazzasec
12-03-2007, 10:36 AM
You want the ability to get LOUD and still sound good? Here's the perfect set for you for $200....

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273132



**** those are nice

amoffitt
12-03-2007, 10:38 AM
Rockford Fosgate T162s i believe is the name. There 6.5 in components really loud.

mazzasec
12-03-2007, 10:50 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ROCKFORD-T162S-6-5-200W-CAR-RADIO-AUDIO-STEREO-SPEAKER_W0QQitemZ150190734500QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32 819QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

those ones right there? if so i really like those

amoffitt
12-03-2007, 12:25 PM
ya those ones

JimJ
12-03-2007, 12:31 PM
Meh.

Audio Master
12-03-2007, 12:35 PM
i could do a secondhand set of AD6 comps audiobahnuser18 got as set he thinks they be quite nice and he hasnt heard them yet they re real nice great midbass and nice soft highs silk dome tweets so they are still sweet just athougt pm if your interested

Gary S
12-03-2007, 12:53 PM
Cerwin Vega V-Max 65.

mazzasec
12-06-2007, 12:37 AM
any more suggestions?!?!

posting links to the ones you suggest will be helpful to!!

amoffitt
12-06-2007, 12:39 AM
all you need is these. its a badd speaker.

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_id=29&item_id=91973&locale=en_US&p_status=

JimJ
12-06-2007, 12:40 AM
Bad is right.

mazzasec
12-06-2007, 12:42 AM
What makes those one so bad? I am not perticularly looking for the best quality out there just something decent

amoffitt
12-06-2007, 12:43 AM
na there really good, tweeters are great overall a good speaker.

JimJ
12-06-2007, 12:44 AM
If it were me, I'd go somewhere like here: http://www.zaphaudio.com, read the reviews, and pick out individual drivers.

With a 6-channel amp, it's not like you don't have the amp channels to bi-amp.

dragnix
12-06-2007, 12:44 AM
...could always turn the subs down?

For $200, I'd run Seas paper cone midbasses, Vifa tweets, run them active...you've got the amp channels for it.

active ftw win :yumyum:

mazzasec
12-08-2007, 09:10 PM
how are these?

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_3099_Boston+Acoustics+SL60.html

better then the rockford's?

EDIT:

also looking at these

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=303

mvw2
12-08-2007, 09:57 PM
Output will be limited by two things, excursion and thermal power handling. Excursion will be your main limitation. The lack of said excursion means you're forced to cross higher so you don't keep bottoming out the woofer(or tweeter).

I will tell you right now that NO, I mean NO 6.5" woofer will be able to keep up with a pair of decent excursion subs. Heck, a single 12" of mild excursion in a ported enclosure will overpower anything you can buy that's 6.5" or lower. You'd have to start looking at 8" or 10" dedicated midbasses just to match the capable output of a single 12", or cross quite high(think towards 150Hz).

My take, stick to some decent excursion. Since the Adire Extremis is no more, you might want to head over to Creative Sound Solutions and look at their new SDX7. Then pair it to a tweeter that can get down to 2kHz cause you'll probably need it. I can't find specific frequency response graphs for it though, so I don't know how well it does up top. You might consider pairing it with a 2" or even 3" full range driver. The Aura "whisper" is a well liked 2" mid that can be used as a tweeter replacement but offer better low end usability and overall output. The same goes for TangBand's 3" full range drivers. The Bamboo and Titanium coned mids extend up high nicely. The larger format high range will also allow higher overall output and flexability in the x-over point.

mazzasec
12-09-2007, 12:20 AM
Not even 2 sets of 6 1/2 and one set of some 6x9's?

JimJ
12-09-2007, 12:24 AM
I will tell you right now that NO, I mean NO 6.5" woofer will be able to keep up with a pair of decent excursion subs. Heck, a single 12" of mild excursion in a ported enclosure will overpower anything you can buy that's 6.5" or lower. You'd have to start looking at 8" or 10" dedicated midbasses just to match the capable output of a single 12", or cross quite high(think towards 150Hz).

I'd have to disagree with you there :)

It's all in the install. I've heard a pair of 5.25's go low enough that subs weren't needed in the first place. And just because a 12" can overpower a front stage, doesn't mean it should.

kingkong101
12-09-2007, 10:12 AM
what is GOING ACTIVE?? all of you always say it it confuses me.. What is going active?

kingkong101
12-09-2007, 10:24 AM
Seas CA18RNX
Vifa XT25
JIMJ, where do i go to get a crossover for these two speakers? the seas is the paper cone and the vifa is the tweeter, how can i find these to buy online and get specs on the size? who makes the xover?

JimJ
12-09-2007, 10:36 AM
what is GOING ACTIVE?? all of you always say it it confuses me.. What is going active?

It simply means taking out the passive crossovers and replacing them with an electronic one - either built into the head unit itself or as an external unit. You'll see a lot of head units marketed as "3-way active capable"...that's what they mean. For a basic tweeter & midbass combo, you need four channels of amplification as well, one pair for the tweets and the other pair for the midbasses.

kingkong101
12-09-2007, 10:38 AM
thanks, so i have a 4 channel amp, will the setup i just showed you work well? were can i find the active electronic crossover for that setup?

JimJ
12-09-2007, 10:40 AM
Those drivers sound fine.

As for an active Xover, Coustic, Audiocontrol and others make decent outboard units...or you could upgrade your head unit to one that's got one built in. I personally like having the control right up front, so you aren't fiddling around with an external one and trying to hear the difference up front.

kingkong101
12-09-2007, 10:44 AM
what kind of headunit do i need? i have a 4900ib i guess thats not good enough right.

SQL4Life
12-09-2007, 12:35 PM
what kind of headunit do i need? i have a 4900ib i guess thats not good enough right.


why not? is that the Pioneer 4900? It has four volt outputs

JimJ
12-09-2007, 01:11 PM
Preout voltage has nothing to do with ability to run an active front stage.

IIRC, that model doesn't do what you'd need it to do.

kingkong101
12-09-2007, 04:15 PM
Jim J will that combo sound GREAT or fine? where can i find those speakers? where can i find an active crossover? please thank you

kingkong101
12-09-2007, 04:53 PM
f this im getting the eclipse

exige
12-09-2007, 06:10 PM
any and all noobs, please have a look through the site below. it's got a lot of great information and would give you a good summary of a lot of different things in car audio.

www.bcae1.com

JimJ
12-09-2007, 06:13 PM
Jim J will that combo sound GREAT or fine? where can i find those speakers? where can i find an active crossover? please thank you

With the right install, great :)

Those Vifa tweets are proven in the DIY crowd, and the Seas CA18RNX's are easily blended to most tweeters, they're nowhere near as picky as other midbasses can be on the top end. And they're midbass machines given the right install conditions.

I would look for something like a Coustic XM-7 (if I remembered the model # correctly), or something similar. Do searches for "two-way active crossover" and start reading what people have had good luck with.

Or upgrade your head unit to something that's active capable, if you want to. I'm not too familiar with current head units, but most higher end Eclipse, Alpine and Pio's can do it.

Vasquez
12-10-2007, 01:50 PM
You can go with the Morel Tempo 6 or the RE 6.5C

southwest713
12-10-2007, 08:59 PM
i c u just said f it, but if u change ur mind i got some brand new Vifa tweets i never got to use.

tcguy85
12-10-2007, 10:10 PM
PG RSD's????

BrianChia
12-10-2007, 10:45 PM
Spend as much as you want on components, but with a ****** install and crossover it will still sound bad. You can build a great component set for under $200 with drivers and passive crossover components from PartsExpress. You can spend $500 on RF or Polk and still get bad sound. It's all in the crossover design. Active crossovers allow you to push the drivers further because of steeper cutoffs. Active EQ is also a necessity if you want decent sound in a car. But passive designs have many advantages over most actives unless you have a multi band parametric EQ and crossover with adjustable rolloff slope. With carfefully designed passive crossovers you can account for phase differences, rolloff slopes, attenuation/equalization, impedance peaks, etc. It allows you to tailor the output and crossover to the component selection and the in vehicle response. It won't matter if you use Dayton, Morel, Vifa, Peerless, or Focal of whatever if you don't do a proper install with properly designed enclosures for the mid-woofers, proper speaker placement, and well designed crossovers. The brand is not as important as the install.