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amoffitt
11-30-2007, 02:27 PM
Whats the difference between the two?

iceberg65
11-30-2007, 07:22 PM
synthetic is better :) it doesnt thicken as bad as reg oil in the cold, it offeres better lubrication, and it runs cleaner, it also lasts longer then regular oil.

only issue is using it in high mileage engines that have been running regular oil, the regular oil creates buildup around certain seals, and switching to synthetic will clean this away.

if youve heard that synthetic can cause leaks in a high mileage engine....its not exactly the case, the proper wording would be "it makes a leak thats already there "technically" appear"

IgnoreMe
11-30-2007, 07:27 PM
synthetic is better :) it doesnt thicken as bad as reg oil in the cold, it offeres better lubrication, and it runs cleaner, it also lasts longer then regular oil.

only issue is using it in high mileage engines that have been running regular oil, the regular oil creates buildup around certain seals, and switching to synthetic will clean this away.

if youve heard that synthetic can cause leaks in a high mileage engine....its not exactly the case, the proper wording would be "it makes a leak thats already there "technically" appear"

its the same **** if youve never done a tranny flush in an automatic. there are so many detergents in new tranny fluid that doing a tranny flush on a car thats never had one before, is going to result in leaks galore. it doesnt create the leak, but it takes away the filth that was gunking up the leak.

i started using synthetics on my car with 150k miles on it. no leaks so its all good. synthetics are the way to go.

btw, dont believe anyone that tells you once you go to synthetic you cant go back..because you can. and one of the main important parts about running synthetic oil, especially if your trying to make it last the 10k miles they claim is GOOD filters. do a nice oil change and use a nice big *** filter (usually mobile 1 makes the bigger filters) and run the car for 5k miles. then switch in another filter for the next 5k. you will loose some oil from the filter so top it off with some more synthetic oil and your good to go. most people neglect to tell you that even though the oil is 100% fine, the filter still needs to be able to do its job. and if its gunked up with ****, its obviously not working properly.

SuperchargedRS
11-30-2007, 08:37 PM
If you have a new/JUST rebuilt engine for the first 50hrs of run time use minerial oil, there after use synthetic.

I could explain it all but I really dont feel like typing a page and a half.

amoffitt
12-01-2007, 02:27 AM
hmm thanks guys ya i was wondering what i should do with my 03 impala engine to make it work as best as it can.

Flipx99
12-01-2007, 12:27 PM
I mix synthetic and dino-oil. I have had no problems with leaks.

motox_727
12-04-2007, 07:23 AM
we use synthetic in our bikes it suppose to make the top ends last longer so i imagine about the same thing with a car

Ignatowski
12-04-2007, 07:59 AM
I use Synth on my truck since its first oil change.....No issues,changed oil every 7500 miles...
Also my RSX,which I change the oil every 10K

Ferendon
12-08-2007, 01:56 AM
If you have a new/JUST rebuilt engine for the first 50hrs of run time use minerial oil, there after use synthetic.

I could explain it all but I really dont feel like typing a page and a half.
Hopefully you understand this better than the inner-workings of a car dealership.


And there's is no answer to this question. It's a matter of preference, and what the engine needs. Synthetic can be too slick for some engines, and I don't mean because of the miles. Just an FYI, this forum is a HORRIBLE place to ask for maintenance and repair advice.

SuperchargedRS
12-08-2007, 05:49 PM
Hopefully you understand this better than the inner-workings of a car dealership.


And there's is no answer to this question. It's a matter of preference, and what the engine needs. Synthetic can be too slick for some engines, and I don't mean because of the miles. Just an FYI, this forum is a HORRIBLE place to ask for maintenance and repair advice.

WTF is your problem???? "Hopefully you understand this better than the inner-workings of a car dealership."
WTF does that mean?

Also the first 50 hrs is how the I have done it, it is also the recommended method of most aircraft enignes (piston)...and I think they are a little more...strict then the auto industry!
"this forum is a HORRIBLE place to ask for maintenance and repair advice."
---> mainly because of people like YOU

djman37
12-08-2007, 05:57 PM
full-synthetic from the get go.

Ferendon
12-29-2007, 03:08 AM
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Ferendon
12-29-2007, 03:35 AM
Again, this is the worst place to get car advice, thanks to know-it-alls like SuperchargedRS. He's the prime example of a god **** moron. He probably drives an 80s Camaro, or a Civic. There is no true answer to your question. It's a matter of needs, wants, and budget. It's also a matter of service designation. Call an auto parts store, or dealership, and find out what the service designation of the recommended oil for your car is. Then go to an auto parts store, and get that kind of oil.


From AutoMedia.com
Are synthetics worth the extra cost? Universally, the answer is yes, whether for a high-revving turbo motor or an older engine (http://www.automedia.com/channel/autoCare/Repair_Engine) that gets little use. Using another vivid comparison, French champagne is also worth the extra expense over sparkling wine, but it comes down to matters of your taste and bank account. Note, too, that most auto manufacturers do not specify synthetics, so unless you're one of the few who need synthetic oil, rest assured that you're doing no harm with good old-fashioned crude as long as you follow the owner's manual recommendations on viscosity and grade.
From AutoMedia.com
Next, oil changes. The PAO base stock does hold up longer than petroleum-based oils, but the additives in both wear out at the same rate. The oil companies have tested their synthetics for longevity, but they still recommend following the specific owner's manual for oil change intervals. Do your own research though. Stay away from websites that sell oil, or related product, and also oil manufacturers. They're all biased towards synthetics, based upon the fact that it's much cheaper to make, and it costs a bit more, hence, makes them more money. Try bobistheoilguy and check out the forums. Lots of killer info in there. And please, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying synthetics are inferior. I run conventional Castrol GTX 10w30 in my car, and Castrol Syntec in my wife's car. I'm not partial to either one, I just think that it's not a clear cut case. Just like DSL vs Cable, or Turbo vs Sueprcharger. It's all a matter of purpose, needs, and budget.

wite2nr
12-29-2007, 04:35 AM
i've always used mobil 1 full synthetic and mobil 1 filters. no problems, still change my oil every 3k miles.

SuperchargedRS
12-29-2007, 05:23 AM
Again, this is the worst place to get car advice, thanks to know-it-alls like SuperchargedRS. He's the prime example of a god **** moron. He probably drives an 80s Camaro, or a Civic. There is no true answer to your question. It's a matter of needs, wants, and budget. It's also a matter of service designation. Call an auto parts store, or dealership, and find out what the service designation of the recommended oil for your car is. Then go to an auto parts store, and get that kind of oil.

Do your own research though. Stay away from websites that sell oil, or related product, and also oil manufacturers. They're all biased towards synthetics, based upon the fact that it's much cheaper to make, and it costs a bit more, hence, makes them more money. Try bobistheoilguy and check out the forums. Lots of killer info in there. And please, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying synthetics are inferior. I run conventional Castrol GTX 10w30 in my car, and Castrol Syntec in my wife's car. I'm not partial to either one, I just think that it's not a clear cut case. Just like DSL vs Cable, or Turbo vs Sueprcharger. It's all a matter of purpose, needs, and budget.

Yea no one knows anything but you...except you really don’t answer his question.
And I am a know it all? well I guess those who know the most presume they know the least, so I guess that works.
Also I only have commented on the threads that I have FACTS to contribute.

You must have some rocks on you to be from yeehaw inbreed honkeytonk, good ol' G.W. loving cesspool like texas…and you are ridiculing me! (because you assume, and we all know what happens when you do that) as you think I own a civic or camaro (and god knows how someone can get those two cars mixed up), yet you fail to see that the vehicle I primarily drive is written neatly just under my name....ONCE AGAIN YOU DEMONSTRATE THAT COMMON SENSE IS NOT NECESSARILY COMMON!




Also the commit about using mineral oil to break in a new engine is a REQUIREMENT
for most higher end vehicles (piston aircraft etc.) so it is a good rule of thumb to follow on lower means of transportation such as a car/truck/motorcycle.

…what a waist of time and bandwidth

Ferendon
12-29-2007, 03:37 PM
From Castrol's website

MYTH: You need to allow a break-in period for new vehicles before using synthetic motor oil.
FACT: In the past, it was recommended that conventional motor oil be used for your first oil change to allow for some controlled wear to break-in the new engine. However, with current engine technology, a break-in period is not necessary. You can use synthetics immediately.

From mobiloil.com

Myth:You should break in your engine with conventional oil, then switch to a synthetic oil like Mobil 1.Reality:You can start using Mobil 1® in new vehicles at any time, even in brand new vehicles. In fact, Mobil 1 is original equipment (it is installed at the factory) in: Mobil 1 is factory fill in:

Acura RDX
Aston Martin
All Bentley Vehicles
Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, Escalade, XLR, XLR-V, SRX and STS and STS-V
Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06
Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
Chrysler 300C SRT-8
Cobalt SS S/C Coupe
Dodge Caliber SRT-4, Charger SRT-8, and Magnum SRT-8
Jeep Cherokee SRT-8
Mercedes-Benz AMG Vehicles
Mercedes SLR
Mitsubishi Evolution
Pontiac Solstice GXP
All Porsche Vehicles
Saturn Ion Red Line and Saturn Sky Red Line
Viper SRT-10One of the myths surrounding synthetic oils is that new engines require a break-in period with conventional oil. The fact is, current engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in period. As indicated by the decisions of the engineers who design the high-performance cars listed above, Mobil 1 can be used starting the day you drive the car off the showroom floor.

Weird, you're wrong again. Using synthetic oil to break-in an engine is no longer required. And you call me a hick, yet you drive a ****ing hick tank?

You contributed what you have misconstrued to be facts. I actually cited reputable sources to back my facts. My father, grandfather, and 2 of my uncles are auto mechanics. I grew up working on cars, every day of my life. I was going brake jobs, by myself, at 6 years old. I got my first Snap-On tool set at 7. I built my first truck from a V6 auto, to a supercharged 360 and a T5, laying down 450+rwhp, with my own 2 hands, at the age of 17. My current daily driver serves weekend track duty at MSR Cresson, and TWS, and in April I'll be at MSR Houston. I've also embarrassed more than my fair share of much more expensive cars on my way through the twisties. Apparently, you're too dense to understand the Camaro/Civic joke, but what you actually drive is far worse. You want to call Texas a hick state, yet we're currently having an insurgence (that means lots of them coming at once, I know your probably fairly monosyllabic) of people from California, and just about everywhere else in this nation. We're currently one of the fastest growing states in the nation, and 7 of the top 50 largest cities in the nation are in Texas. 3 of them are in the top 10. You've apparently never been here, so I fail to see, on what grounds, you're referring to Texas as a "G.W. loving cesspool".

SuperchargedRS
12-29-2007, 06:23 PM
From Castrol's website


From mobiloil.com


Weird, you're wrong again. Using synthetic oil to break-in an engine is no longer required. And you call me a hick, yet you drive a ****ing hick tank?

You contributed what you have misconstrued to be facts. I actually cited reputable sources to back my facts. My father, grandfather, and 2 of my uncles are auto mechanics. I grew up working on cars, every day of my life. I was going brake jobs, by myself, at 6 years old. I got my first Snap-On tool set at 7. I built my first truck from a V6 auto, to a supercharged 360 and a T5, laying down 450+rwhp, with my own 2 hands, at the age of 17. My current daily driver serves weekend track duty at MSR Cresson, and TWS, and in April I'll be at MSR Houston. I've also embarrassed more than my fair share of much more expensive cars on my way through the twisties. Apparently, you're too dense to understand the Camaro/Civic joke, but what you actually drive is far worse. You want to call Texas a hick state, yet we're currently having an insurgence (that means lots of them coming at once, I know your probably fairly monosyllabic) of people from California, and just about everywhere else in this nation. We're currently one of the fastest growing states in the nation, and 7 of the top 50 largest cities in the nation are in Texas. 3 of them are in the top 10. You've apparently never been here, so I fail to see, on what grounds, you're referring to Texas as a "G.W. loving cesspool".

Well the facts are the facts, you quote oil companies and you experience with your father, I quote engine builders, and not car engine builder, if your cars engine fails you call AAA, if you aircraft engine quits the life of everyone aboard is at risk, so I like to see what they say, as they are more likely to have a no BS / err on the side of safety outlook on these matters.

"SUBJECT:
Textron Lycoming Reciprocating Engine Break-In and Oil Consumption
Limits
MODELS AFFECTED:
All fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft (horizontal installations only) with
Textron Lycoming reciprocating engines installed.

Service Instruction No. 1427B
After the aircraft has been released, the engine must be operated on straight mineral oil during the first 50 hours of operation or until the oil consumption stabilizes. (Refer to latest revision of Service Instruction No. 1014.) During this time, maintain engine power above 65% and insure that all aircraft and engine operating temperatures and pressures are monitored and maintained within limits."
-Textron Lycoming (FAA approved) Service Instructions


Also I got my G.W. loving redneck comment from the Texas Almanac
not to mention he WAS your governor...which means the MAJORITY of your state had to vote for him and he is the top dog for the republicans you live in a republican state...so do I have to connect the dots for you.

the facts are on record

"Republican Texas gubernatorial primary, 1998

* George W. Bush (inc.) - 576,528 (96.60%)
* R.C. Crawford - 20,311 (3.40%)"

"Candidates - Nominating parties Votes %
George W. Bush - Republican Party 2 ,550,821 68.24%
Garry Mauro - Democratic Party 1,165,592 31.18%
Lester R. Turlington, Jr. - Lib 20,711 0.47%
Susan Lee Solar - Write-in 954 0.03%
Total 3,738,078 100.00%"

If those statistics don't spell out your states support for that moron I don't know what does!

And that "hick tank" (as I believe you a referring to my M-1009) runs on bio-diesel, getting in excess of 22mpg whilst being able to traverse the types of terrain that we have where I reside; along with the fact that I took a ex-weapon of war and tuned it into one of the cleanest vehicles on the road re-utilizing the waist product of local businesses. People who drive green vehicles (and I am not referring to the main color of the camo of the truck lol) tend to run in a different flock then those that are commonly referred to as a "hick".

Ferendon
12-29-2007, 08:59 PM
The Bush that was our Governor was a different Bush. I don't mean a different physical being, just a different 'mental' person. Now, he's just mental. Ask anyone and Texas, and they will tell you that Bush and Billy Bob Thorton don't deserve to be Texans. They're both idiots. Bush, for obvious reason, Billy Bob, due to the fact that he left Angelina, citing as one of the reason, the '*** was too rough'. He's too weak sauce to be a Texan. Props on the hick tank. And the only person I trust to work on my car these days, other than family, is a guy by the e-name of TexanTony, who owns North Texas Performance. He was a mechanic for Delta for over 10 years, until they shut down his plant. Also, keep in mind that airplane engines, and car engines are on two different levels. An airplane engine is a much more 'mission critical' piece of machinery, just as you stated above. For that reason, they use slightly older technologies. Not because they're behind the times, but because they need to know what they are putting in the air is 'tried and true'. Granted, a lot of what we call 'new technology' for cars, is old news for airplanes. IIRC, DISI, currently used in Mazda's 2.3l turbo engine (speed3, speed6), is a replication of an aircraft engine's design. Airplane engines also make much more power, and I'd imagine, make more heat. I don't know much about aircraft, but I have seen personal aircraft with piston engines, in excess of 10 liters of displacement. That's gonna need more precision craftsmanship and care, than a 3.8l V6 used to spin a couple of tires, as compared to generating enough power to create lift, in amounts large enough to lift an airplane. For the 'better safe than sorry' super-extremist, you're right. But for someone who buys a new car, with the intention of keeping on the road, reliably, it is best that they choose a particular oil, and stick with it for the duration of their ownership of the vehicle. Making a switch is not a bad thing, but switching back and forth repeatedly is horrible for the engine's seal/rings. If you plan on running synthetic, then it's best to do it from the get-go.

SuperchargedRS
12-29-2007, 09:01 PM
The Bush that was our Governor was a different Bush. I don't mean a different physical being, just a different 'mental' person. Now, he's just mental. Ask anyone and Texas, and they will tell you that Bush and Billy Bob Thorton don't deserve to be Texans. They're both idiots. Bush, for obvious reason, Billy Bob, due to the fact that he left Angelina, citing as one of the reason, the '*** was too rough'. Props on the hick tank. And the only person I trust to work on my car these days, other than family, is a guy by the name of TexanTony, who owns North Texas Performance. He was a mechanic for Delta for over 10 years, until they shut down his plant. Also, keep in mind that airplane engine, and car engines are on two different levels. An airplane engine is a much more 'mission critical' piece of machinery, just as you stated above. For that reason, they use slightly older technologies. Not because they're behind the times, but because they need to know what they are putting in the air is 'tried and true'. Granted, a lot of what we call 'new technology' for cars, is old news for airplanes. IIRC, DISI, currently used Mazda's 2.3 turbo engine, is a replication of an aircraft design. Airplane engines also make much more power, and I'd imagine, make more heat. I don't know much about aircraft, but I have seen personal aircraft with piston engines, in excess of 10 liters of displacement. That's gonna need more precision craftsmanship and care, than a 3.8l V6 used to spin a couple of tires, as compared to generating enough power to create lift, in amounts large enough to lift an airplane. For the 'better safe than sorry' super-extremist, you're right. But for someone who buys a new car, with the intention of keeping on the road, reliably, it is best that they choose a particular oil, and stick with it for the duration of their ownership of the vehicle. Making a switch is not a bad idea, but switching back and forth repeatedly is horrible. If you plan on running synthetic, then it's more than ok to do it from the get-go.

agreed

Ferendon
12-29-2007, 09:03 PM
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