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reed dollaz
11-23-2007, 02:08 PM
I'm going to be buying my neighbors 94' civic coupe. Not sure what model. Assuming DX. Anyway, the car has minor mods. Lowered, rims, full greddy exhaust. The guy took out the power steering, and said it gives the car a little power boost. Is this true? I also read in an issue of Import Tuner that they took out the PS of an Integra LS they were building for drag/show. So that made me somewhat belive the fact that removing PS improves something. Does it just improve handeling when going down a straight line, or does it infact give some sort of HP gain? The car is incredibly hard to steer, but im sure ill get used to it. He did. He drove it daily. This kid didnt do any of the mods. He bought it used for 2,000 and it had everything on it that i mentioned. He joined the airforce, and knowing i wanted the car, gave me a great deal. 800.00 and its mine. So whatsup with this PS ****?

crunktimes.com
11-23-2007, 02:08 PM
Yes you will gain 25-45hp by making that modification.

crunktimes.com
11-23-2007, 02:09 PM
another 50-75hp if you toss the brakes

bonesninja
11-23-2007, 02:09 PM
for drag/straight line racing but for street apps...you definately want the power steering. the gains are nowhere close to being worth it for driving

crunktimes.com
11-23-2007, 02:09 PM
I take the PS and brakes out of all of my drifting cars, e-brake ftw!

reed dollaz
11-23-2007, 02:10 PM
come on man im being serious. i want to know if its beneficial at all. if not, ill put PS back in. I wont be using the car to race, so no need to keep stiff steering.

bonesninja
11-23-2007, 02:11 PM
come on man im being serious. i want to know if its beneficial at all. if not, ill put PS back in. I wont be using the car to race, so no need to keep stiff steering.

put it back in...

reed dollaz
11-23-2007, 02:13 PM
put it back in...

yea. i will. i was very doubtfull on the so called power gain. but i do understand removing PS for drag.

ballstothewall
11-24-2007, 12:47 AM
In theory you will gain power by not having the power steering, it takes power to make it work. Will you be able to tell without a dyno, no way in hell so just put it back in.

SteveSkal
11-24-2007, 12:51 AM
Your would free up maybe 5-10 prasitic horsepower loss from the engine having to tun the power steering pulley and pump, the gains are nowhere near the risk of having no PS on the street, if it was a straight line quarter mile car then maybe

Racerx250
11-24-2007, 12:57 AM
I got a friend who had a 95 eclipse. The a/c and PS belt were seperated from the other's. So he took it off. And it did gain quite a bit of power with it off. He had headers, full exhaust, cai, and did a little ait mod. With all that done and with bad struts and shocks he still beat my firebirdv6 by a good bit. As far as leaving it off. I would not. Only thing you'll really get out of it is bigger muscles.

SuperchargedRS
11-24-2007, 01:28 AM
The PS pump isnt really taxing the engine all that much EXCEPT when your turning (turn the wheel when your parked and look at the tach).

NOW for your situation I would put it back in (did he put a manual rack and pinion in or just ghetto it out and pull the pump or something), also those cars get some pull on the front end under HEAVY acceleration (due to being FWD) so it is a good idea to have it.

ALSO if this guy is this much of a moron you might want to give the car a REAL good go over (compres check to wiperblades!) as god only knows what else he F'd up!
...or just get a unmolested/stock import from a "grown up" and do it up yourself!

Ferendon
12-08-2007, 01:29 AM
I got a friend who had a 95 eclipse. The a/c and PS belt were seperated from the other's. So he took it off. And it did gain quite a bit of power with it off. He had headers, full exhaust, cai, and did a little ait mod. With all that done and with bad struts and shocks he still beat my firebirdv6 by a good bit. As far as leaving it off. I would not. Only thing you'll really get out of it is bigger muscles.
Sounds like the slowest race ever. An NA Eclipse and a V6 Firechicken.... The fact that it beat one of GM worst mistakes, doesn't mean ****. Pulling the P/S on a car will yield a handful of HP at most. No amount of HP is worth leaving yourself in that kind of danger. I'd like you see you swerve to miss a stalled car, or correct a spin with no P/S. When cars came with no P/S, they also have a different steering box ratio, to make it easier to turn, but they could not turn as tightly, and they had quite a few more room from lock to lock.

hatemonger
12-08-2007, 01:36 AM
i agree. i think you should put it back in. on a side note, not having power steering isn't that bad. the only time it's hard to steer is while sitting still. some of you act like it's a near impossibility, which tells me that alot of people have never driven a vehicle with no power steering. it really isn't that big a deal in that light little car.

Ferendon
12-08-2007, 01:38 AM
It's not a matter of difficulty steering the car, it's a matter of how quickly you can do so.

hatemonger
12-08-2007, 01:39 AM
It's not a matter of difficulty steering the car, it's a matter of how quickly you can do so.

not that bad still, especially at driving speed.

chillin
12-08-2007, 01:42 AM
kcdc, there is a big difference in driving a car that never had power steering and one that is malfunctioning or removed. As stated above, cars that never had PS have a diffeent gear ratio to allow easier steering

hatemonger
12-08-2007, 01:44 AM
kcdc, there is a big difference in driving a car that never had power steering and one that is malfunctioning or removed. As stated above, cars that never had PS have a diffeent gear ratio to allow easier steering

that makes sense. i stand corrected.

UndercoverPunk
12-08-2007, 01:52 AM
Sounds like a quality automobile.

SuperchargedRS
12-10-2007, 11:12 AM
Sounds like the slowest race ever. An NA Eclipse and a V6 Firechicken.... The fact that it beat one of GM worst mistakes, doesn't mean ****. Pulling the P/S on a car will yield a handful of HP at most. No amount of HP is worth leaving yourself in that kind of danger. I'd like you see you swerve to miss a stalled car, or correct a spin with no P/S. When cars came with no P/S, they also have a different steering box ratio, to make it easier to turn, but they could not turn as tightly, and they had quite a few more room from lock to lock.

I have to ask ferendon what do you drive?

dont tell me let me guess, its the red neck ferrari???? aka the fox body mustang?

http://www.excelerate.com.au/downloads/mustang-small.jpg

19psi
12-14-2007, 03:39 PM
put it back in. it's like 2 hp. some idiot i bought a car from did the same thing. completely removed the pump and lines. left teh ps rack though, so it ws a ***** to steer at slow speeds.
i bought some junkyard parts, put it all back together and was much happier and just as fast.

kegan
12-14-2007, 03:46 PM
My gf's power steering pump ****ing blew the **** up on me when I was taking her car to get her brake lines fixed... So here I was going down a 30mph limit road with no power steering or brakes. It its def a ***** to steer a car that is supposed to have PS and doesnt. ****ing talk about trying to turn...

mustanggt5330
12-14-2007, 04:30 PM
put it back on theres not much HP gain at all, get some underdrive pullys you'll have the maybe 5 hp gain when the power steering was gone but now you'll have 5HP with power steering. if that makes sense to you...........

neonrt
12-14-2007, 09:19 PM
I say leave it off. if you can hack the hard turning at low speeds.

While driving you barely notice the difference in hard steering, but the feel is much better.

Power steering is for wimps. I noticed a nice gain from removing it. most likely around 5hp freed up(it does not create hp from removing, just frees up wasted hp) :)

BiaBia
01-08-2008, 02:54 AM
If you're fighting for 5hp, then you got some problems... then again, every hp counts in those 2000lb rice rockets huh?