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XsV123
09-17-2007, 06:52 PM
Hi, I need help buying some speakers and an amp as well. I don't know that much about this stuff, but I just bought some 12 inch kickers in a case and I would like to buy an amp that is from the 100-250 dollar range and good speakers. Could anyone refer me to some.


Thanks

DejaWiz
09-17-2007, 07:23 PM
What size speakers? Coaxs or Comps?

XsV123
09-17-2007, 07:32 PM
6 inch speakers for the front 6" (round) and then 6 by 5 (oval)

tbasile1
09-17-2007, 07:33 PM
Comps or Coax?

lol

DejaWiz
09-17-2007, 07:41 PM
6 inch speakers for the front 6" (round) and then 6 by 5 (oval)

do you mean 5x7 oval?

XsV123
09-17-2007, 09:58 PM
I don't know the difference between Comps and Coax and it might be that size. I dont know. Should it be that size?

tbasile1
09-17-2007, 10:25 PM
Comps: Mids/Tweets are separate, and include a external crossover

Coax: Mids/Tweets all in one

DejaWiz
09-17-2007, 10:26 PM
Depends on your vehicle. Common oval speaker sizes are 4x6, 5x7, 6x8, and 6x9.

Coaxial (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17545): has integrated tweeter

Component (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17540): had separate midwoofer and tweeter

XsV123
09-17-2007, 10:52 PM
I have a saturn sl 2 (1995). I would like the coaxial ones.

DejaWiz
09-17-2007, 10:54 PM
I would like the coaxial ones.

100% positive on coax? Just want to make sure you are aware of the huge differences between the two.

XsV123
09-17-2007, 10:55 PM
Yes, and from what I've read Focal's are good, but if you know better that are in the 60-100 price range that would be great.

DejaWiz
09-17-2007, 11:23 PM
Coax: Pioneer REVs would be right up your alley.
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14553


Amp: Kicker KX650.4
http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/3142548/vpcsid/0/SFV/30046/order/asc/order_by/title


Sub: PPI PCX122
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17781


Use channels 1 and 2 of the amp for the REVs, bridge channels 3+4 for the sub. Leave the factory rears in powered off the HU if you want rear fill, or disconnect them altogether as you might like the soundstaging and imaging advantages of front stage only (this is merely preference).

If this setup doesn't sound appealing to you, let me know what changes/ideas you have.


You should also browse the for sale section and see what deals you can find there.

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 07:08 AM
x2^^^^

The REVs are real nice coaxials

XsV123
09-18-2007, 07:58 AM
I think I only have a 2-channel amp.

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 11:36 AM
The 2 channel amp is all that's needed for the comps. What brand and model amp?

Are you planning to get or already have a sub stage?

XsV123
09-18-2007, 04:40 PM
I don't know what a substage is, but I was planning on using the amp for the subs and just hook the front and back speakers up to the radio ( if that makes sense.)

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 04:50 PM
Sub stage = what your subwoofers consist of.

The REVs will work decently off HU power, but it's recommended you entertain the idea of getting them on an amp at some point down the road.

What 2 channel amp do you have?

XsV123
09-18-2007, 05:21 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8265263&type=product&id=1170289779116

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 05:21 PM
Get some PG RSDs

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 05:22 PM
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17540

You can find them for $90 on eBay

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 05:28 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8265263&type=product&id=1170289779116

That amp will do 400w rms (maybe a little more) at 4 ohms. Do you have a sub(s) yet?



Get some PG RSDs

Tbayz1, as much as I know we both love the RSd's, I really wouldn't recommend them without an external amp. ;)

XsV123
09-18-2007, 05:36 PM
Yea I have 12" kickers, but I don't know what type or watt. I bought them from a pawnshop. They sounded loud and nice so I bought them.

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 05:38 PM
Tbayz1, as much as I know we both love the RSd's, I really wouldn't recommend them without an external amp. ;)


Oh hes using that amp for his subs?

Ooic, well than get the REVs

/thread lol

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 05:40 PM
Yea I have 12" kickers, but I don't know what type or watt. I bought them from a pawnshop. They sounded loud and nice so I bought them.

Model might be on the magnet somewhere. They round or square?

XsV123
09-18-2007, 05:54 PM
They are round.

XsV123
09-18-2007, 05:55 PM
Ok if I was to get this sound system. http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=17540

What amp would I get for it and would I have to get another wire kit?

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 06:00 PM
Ok if I was to get this sound system. http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=17540

What amp would I get for it and would I have to get another wire kit?

Nothing came up in the link.

XsV123
09-18-2007, 06:06 PM
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17540

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 06:10 PM
Ah okay. From all the reviews I've read, the RSd's perform exceptionally well off 2x120-150w rms. Got a budget in mind for an amp?

As far as wiring goes, you may not need another amp kit depending what gauge your main run is right now. You might only need a power distro block and some extra wire to run to the amps.

XsV123
09-18-2007, 06:18 PM
Under 200 dollars would be nice.

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 06:24 PM
X20D (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17676) would be a decent choice. The X40 was reviewed in the newest CA&E and it produced slightly more power than what it's rated at. Got good marks all around.

Another option would be the Pioneer Premier PRS-D2000 (http://sonicelectronix.com/item_6978_Pioneer+Premier+PRS-D2000T.html). I auditioned the 720PRS comps running of this amp and I was very impressed.

If you want to save a lot of money and don't mind refurb and can live with a larger amp, check out the Kicker KX450.2 (http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/2599048/vpcsid/0/SFV/30046/order/asc/order_by/title)

XsV123
09-18-2007, 06:37 PM
For the speakers also... are those front or back speakers. Whatever the one it is not could you recommend me one.Also are those amps in the picture and are they included? The box rectangle objects.

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 06:42 PM
For the speakers also... are those front or back speakers. Whatever the one it is not could you recommend me one.

You'll want to put the RSD65cs (the comps you linked) up front. So tell ya what... focus on your front and sub stages right now and don't worry about the rears for now.

Once you get the front and sub stages tuned and blended, try it that way for a while. If, after a few weeks, you still want rears, get some REV coaxes and run them off the HU.

XsV123
09-18-2007, 06:58 PM
Are those amps in the picture and if they are are they included. The rectangle box obecjts.

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 07:07 PM
Are those amps in the picture and if they are are they included. The rectangle box obecjts.

Those are the passive crossovers which send the appropriate frequencies to the mids and the tweeters. The amp will be supplying the signal to those, then the signal will be sent to the mids and tweeters.

XsV123
09-18-2007, 07:20 PM
My dad would like to know why you cant just run the front speakers powered by the radio instead of the amp. I know that you can run them with the radio, but I am sure you have a good reason for having the amp.

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 07:27 PM
Because components need the power to live up to the full potential, and sound their best

Not amping them is like starving them, you can run them off a HU, as you can with any speaker, but amping them will bring out life and full potential in a speaker


Also if you want to spend less than 100 on the amp, check out Profile amps, on millionbuy.com

XsV123
09-18-2007, 07:33 PM
If I go to look at the less than 100 dollar ones will they still be good because I dont even know wattage I would need besides the recommendations from Dejaiwz

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 07:33 PM
Because components need the power to live up to the full potential, and sound their best

Not amping them is like starving them, you can run them off a HU, as you can with any speaker, but amping them will bring out life and full potential in a speaker


Also if you want to spend less than 100 on the amp, check out Profile amps, on millionbuy.com


Exactly. And let's not forget about clarity. A HU will typically distort a signal in the neighborhood of 5% at a much lower volume when using the built in amps as opposed to an external amp, which is 1% distortion or less.

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 07:36 PM
If I go to look at the less than 100 dollar ones will they still be good because I dont even know wattage I would need besides the recommendations from Dejaiwz

When shopping for speakers and amps, disregard the Peak or Max power ratings. RMS or Continuous is what you want to look at.

Almost all speakers can take more RMS power than what they are rated for, as long as the signal is clean, meaning undistorted and unclipped.

For example: the RSd65cs comps are rated for 2x60w rms, but a lot of people are running them with upwards of a celan 2x150w rms to unleash the full potential of the midwoofers.

Another example: I recently auditioned the Treo TSX comps. They are rated for 2x100w rms, but the shop owner was running them off 2x240w rms!

Yet another example: I also auditioned the Pionner 720PRS comps, which are rated for 2x50w rms. The midbass really came out when they were running off a 2x150w rms amp

XsV123
09-18-2007, 07:40 PM
What would you recommend I would run for the ones that you picked for me.

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 07:48 PM
http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1000.html

or any of the ones Deja listed before

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 07:51 PM
I'd probably give the X20D a whirl, but if you want something more budget-minded, the Profile AP1000 (http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1000.html). They are a smidge overrated, but it'll come close to what it's rated for (expect about 145-150w rms).

Here's a whole 'nother option: use the Rockford 2 channel you have for front speakers and once you figure out what kind of Kicker subs you have, get an appropriate Class D amp for them.


If you don't want to get comps afterall and would rather get the REV coaxes for the fronts, they can also be purchased from millionbuy (http://www.millionbuy.com/piotsd161r.html) if you decide to go with the Profile amp.

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 07:53 PM
Here's a whole 'nother option: use the Rockford 2 channel you have for front speakers and once you figure out what kind of Kicker subs you have, get an appropriate Class D amp for them.

:iagree:

If u have, why not use it lol

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 07:56 PM
Wow Tbayz, we were both spot on with the Profile amp! LOL

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 07:58 PM
Dude we are doubling teaming this thread like there is no tomorrow

XsV123
09-18-2007, 08:54 PM
I'd probably give the X20D a whirl, but if you want something more budget-minded, the Profile AP1000 (http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1000.html). They are a smidge overrated, but it'll come close to what it's rated for (expect about 145-150w rms).

Here's a whole 'nother option: use the Rockford 2 channel you have for front speakers and once you figure out what kind of Kicker subs you have, get an appropriate Class D amp for them.


If you don't want to get comps afterall and would rather get the REV coaxes for the fronts, they can also be purchased from millionbuy (http://www.millionbuy.com/piotsd161r.html) if you decide to go with the Profile amp.

Can I still get those Phoenix speakers with the profile amp and it will sound good and also how much will the D amp cost, but even then I'd have to find how many watts my kickers which if I dont know if it says it on there.

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 08:57 PM
1. Can I still get those Phoenix speakers with the profile amp and it will sound good?

2. and also how much will the D amp cost, but even then I'd have to find how many watts my kickers which if I dont know if it says it on there.

1. Absolutely!

2. If there's a model number listed anywhere on the sub, let us know and we can likely find out.

XsV123
09-18-2007, 09:05 PM
Ok the model # is : O5DCVR122 , the O might be a 0 though.

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 09:16 PM
12" CVR, dual 2 ohms!

Specs here (http://sonicelectronix.com/item_3406_Kicker+05CVR122.html).

Both would love to be powered by an 800-1000w rms @ ohms amp.

XsV123
09-18-2007, 09:20 PM
Hahahaha. I don't know what that means, but could you also tell me if these are gonna sound loud with my amp and everything as well?

DejaWiz
09-18-2007, 09:24 PM
Since they are dual 2 ohm subs, you should wire them like so:

http://www.cardomain.com/shop/wooferwizard.pl?num_of_subs=2&impedance_of_subs=2ohm_dvc&x=105&y=11


Thus, warranting the recommendation to get an 800-1000w rms @ 2 ohms mono class D amp for them so they can perform at their full potential.

XsV123
09-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Ok. Thank you. Is my system going to sound loud and everything from what I've told you?

migueldeluna
09-18-2007, 09:34 PM
I recommend that you learn about Car Audio before you spend money on it...

Most people hear systems and they immediately say.. " OOO I WANT ONE!"

but this is the wrong way to go because you tend to be more hurried towards getting one and eventually it will cost you..

literally.

I think it's bad for someone to get a system if they dont know **** about it.

95BlackGA
09-18-2007, 09:39 PM
I recommend that you learn about Car Audio before you spend money on it...

Most people hear systems and they immediately say.. " OOO I WANT ONE!"

but this is the wrong way to go because you tend to be more hurried towards getting one and eventually it will cost you..

literally.

I think it's bad for someone to get a system if they dont know **** about it.

Learned from your own mistakes, have ya?

migueldeluna
09-18-2007, 09:53 PM
Learned from your own mistakes, have ya?

Pretty much...

wasn't this bad tho... so it could end up being worse?

XsV123
09-18-2007, 09:58 PM
Im having someone install it and im not gonna overblast it so I dont see much of a problem. I just needed help picking stuff out.

tbasile1
09-18-2007, 10:03 PM
It'll sound nice!!!!

migueldeluna
09-18-2007, 11:24 PM
Im having someone install it and im not gonna overblast it so I dont see much of a problem. I just needed help picking stuff out.



oooooooooook


just remember what i said :D