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filtor1
08-30-2007, 05:07 PM
I appreciate everyone's input on this purchase. Since I know you all like pictures of a beautiful "box", I will get to them...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Aug2007Kodakdump003.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Aug2007Kodakdump006.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Aug2007Kodakdump011.jpg

filtor1
08-30-2007, 05:08 PM
Moar......

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Aug2007Kodakdump009.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Aug2007Kodakdump008.jpg

hemiscott
08-30-2007, 05:09 PM
:drool::drool::drool:

filtor1
08-30-2007, 05:09 PM
Here is what they replaced. Rainbow Contour's. Man I loved them. sad to see them go on many levels. I am sure that feeling will disappear when the Powerlines get installed. Should be in by tonight too. :)

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Aug2007Kodakdump002.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Aug2007Kodakdump001.jpg

filtor1
08-30-2007, 05:10 PM
:drool::drool::drool:

I had the same reaction. :D

tez4life
08-30-2007, 05:22 PM
:yumyum::yumyum::yumyum::yumyum::yumyum::yumyum::y umyum::yumyum::yumyum::yumyum:

Thats my reaction to them, I am quite jealous. Please give a review when installed!

bjayjr5679
08-30-2007, 05:30 PM
What are you doing with the old ones? Dibs:naughty:

filtor1
08-30-2007, 05:31 PM
Will def do that. I will post a few pics of my overly deadened doors too where th CS's will make their homes. I am still waiting to get a more powerful amp though, so the review may take a while. I will def get my first impressions up though and what kind of power I think they will be getting from this amp.

filtor1
08-30-2007, 05:33 PM
What are you doing with the old ones? Dibs:naughty:

They were sold and installed in a friends car on Tuesday. Great set though. I would recommend them to anyone who can manage to find a pair.

crea78
08-30-2007, 05:33 PM
That looks very similar to the Germanium crossover. Does the Powerline CS comps come with the exact same crossover as the Germs??

Ignatowski
08-30-2007, 05:35 PM
those things look deep.......

GJ !

CrazedCat
08-30-2007, 05:37 PM
That looks very similar to the Germanium crossover. Does the Powerline CS comps come with the exact same crossover as the Germs??

same design, different xover

btw those are very juicy.

filtor1
08-30-2007, 05:38 PM
those things look deep.......

GJ !

Since I am in a picture mood, let me see if I can get some measurements. :)

filtor1
08-30-2007, 05:59 PM
Here we go...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline002.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline001.jpg

I need to get off my butt and sell these TDX's....

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline003.jpg

tbasile1
08-30-2007, 06:06 PM
Rainbow=:yumyum::yumyum:

Ignatowski
08-30-2007, 07:07 PM
I need to get off my butt and sell these TDX's....



I love mine,why u sellin your TDX?

DejaWiz
08-30-2007, 07:13 PM
Very nice! Those take the wrinkles out.

Jamaica2G
08-30-2007, 07:13 PM
holy egg-mc-muffin!

if those would fit in my car, I'd buy em!

BUMP for a good seller

Adrian

slick rick
08-30-2007, 08:15 PM
I love mine,why u sellin your TDX?

He's had Fi's for awhile.

3.5Max6spd
08-30-2007, 08:19 PM
Sweet dude. You rocked those Contours for quite some time, treated yourself to some very nice upgrade-enjoy!

quest51210
08-30-2007, 08:21 PM
whats the specs, size, price for the TDX?

the727kid
08-30-2007, 08:24 PM
Holy super midbass!

slick rick
08-30-2007, 08:33 PM
whats the specs, size, price for the TDX?

dual 2, 12", dont know the price...I'm sure he's installin those bad boys right now.

filtor1
08-30-2007, 08:59 PM
I love mine,why u sellin your TDX?

I bought a pair of Q 12"s and liked them better. The TDX's sounded great, don't get me wrong, I just really liked the sound of the Q's. I don't think I have enough power for the TDX's either. I was going to use them in the F-150, but decided to just sell them. The truck doesn't need a system right now.

filtor1
08-30-2007, 09:00 PM
Very nice! Those take the wrinkles out.

Indeed they do, err wil. :D

filtor1
08-30-2007, 09:00 PM
holy egg-mc-muffin!

if those would fit in my car, I'd buy em!

BUMP for a good seller

Adrian

Good to see you around Adrian. :fro: And no, these will never fit in your car. :(

filtor1
08-30-2007, 09:02 PM
whats the specs, size, price for the TDX?

I was looking at around $400 for the pair + shipping or not if picked up. They are 12"D2's.

filtor1
08-30-2007, 09:05 PM
Sweet dude. You rocked those Contours for quite some time, treated yourself to some very nice upgrade-enjoy!

I must admit, the Contours were a pleasure to listen to. One of the reasons I was hesitant to upgrade. Silky is one way to describe them. not the loudest set in the world but they did the job and did it well. :) Thanks for the words of encouragement homey.

filtor1
08-30-2007, 09:15 PM
I had a few outside requests for pics with the grills off. Here ya go...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline005.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline006.jpg

DejaWiz
08-30-2007, 09:40 PM
Mmmm Mmmm Mmmmmm! Enjoy those 7" Vanadium Subs, err, I mean CS mids. :D

Side Show
08-30-2007, 09:52 PM
mmmmmm dam sexi lookin speakers

filtor1
08-31-2007, 12:12 AM
So the tweeters are in the Sail Panels. I had to do some cutting to make them fit. Actually a lot of cutting. The mids though, we fought with them for a while, we are up to 1.5"s of depth and they still won't clear the glass. 6spdcoupe gave me some suggestions, I will try them tomorrow when I get done with class. I will post a pic of the sail panel I didn't mess up in a sec. Looks like all I will need is a speed clip and the other side will be good to go.

filtor1
08-31-2007, 12:19 AM
Drivers side sail panel...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline007.jpg

Some of the 240+sqft of Stinger Extreme Roadkill. Been on for almost 2 years without issue. :)

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline008.jpg

filtor1
08-31-2007, 12:20 AM
I know the tweeter isn't perfect, I just ran out of steam for the night. I will fix it tomorrow.

DejaWiz
08-31-2007, 09:25 AM
looks beautiful either way! LOL

krisfnbz
08-31-2007, 11:07 AM
wow those are some powerful looking drivers....holy HELL my SLX's are NOTHING compared to those monsters!

3.5Max6spd
08-31-2007, 11:14 AM
Drivers side sail panel...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline007.jpg

Some of the 240+sqft of Stinger Extreme Roadkill. Been on for almost 2 years without issue. :)

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline008.jpg

So thasts what my dampening job SHOULD look like...hehe

Looking good....but I wanna see the fun part! Getting those drivers in there:P

filtor1
08-31-2007, 12:17 PM
I couldn't find the strip caulk that was suggested here int own. I am going to have to find a substitute. I looked for some 1/4" thick pieces of wood today when I couldn't find the strip caulk, but they were all relatively expensive, $32-$47/sheet. I need to go to HD and see what they have after lunch.

headless
08-31-2007, 04:09 PM
oooohhhhhh YEEEAAHHHH.
That's great, man.
I can't wait to get mine kicking again :yumyum:

I had to make 1.5" MDF spacers to fit mine in my doors - ***** that you're going to have to go even deeper :( Good luck though. Aren't they enormous? They make the germaniums look like sony xplod's sitting side by side... and i was quite impressed by the germaniums when i got those.

http://headless.shackspace.com/GermPowerlineCS2.jpg

6spdcoupe
09-01-2007, 01:42 AM
Well Chris.... When are they gonna be done slacker? :p:

filtor1
09-01-2007, 11:59 PM
The passenger side is done. I went out to get a 9V battery, hopped in the truck and the passenger side window was down. Not sure what happened. I took the door panel off, the window isn't broken, it just grinds when you push the button. So my little garage needed to be cleaned in order to put the truck and my car in for the night or until I can get it to Ford. It is under warranty still so I have no worries there. Just a PITA. So yet another day goes by.

filtor1
09-02-2007, 12:00 AM
Here is the baffle on the passenger side...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline014.jpg

And with the driver mounted...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline015.jpg

SQBubble
09-02-2007, 12:04 AM
sweettt stuff
post some vidz of them playing !

filtor1
09-02-2007, 12:07 AM
I don't have a camera that will take video. So most likely, there will be no video.

DejaWiz
09-02-2007, 11:29 AM
Lookin' good sir!

filtor1
09-02-2007, 11:59 AM
Lookin' good sir!

Thanks Deja. I might be going to the river today. The lower Suwanee has two sand bars that I have frequented, a lot more since the boat wreck, and they get pretty crazy out there. Good times all around. If it doesn't rain at my house, I will try and knock out the drivers door today as well as get the amp hooked up. :)

DejaWiz
09-02-2007, 12:03 PM
Well have fun out there man!

Can't wait to see some new pics and read what you have to say about them once you get them powered.

filtor1
09-02-2007, 02:30 PM
Quick update, I didn't go to the river, it has rained all day. The passenger side is in and operational. I can tell right off that I am going to need more power. The sails will be redone, my first glass project. They sit at a very odd angle. I played the set full range and turned the subs off. They are asking for more power. The mids handled everything I had w/o issue. I will let you know some more when I get the drivers side buttoned up. :)

filtor1
09-02-2007, 02:31 PM
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the mids hit the door. I tried to leave the stock grill on and that didn't work either. I will need to cut the door and make some sort of panel for it, cover it in something nice, so it doesn't hit. I thought I had plenty of room, these mids proved me wrong. More trips to Lowe's I suppose. :)

headless
09-02-2007, 03:25 PM
How much power are you pushing to yours?
Mine take 2x320w and love it.

filtor1
09-02-2007, 06:19 PM
How much power are you pushing to yours?
Mine take 2x320w and love it.

120x2 right now. I am not 100% sure though, as this is a very old Alpine amp. I couldn't find info on its rated output.

filtor1
09-02-2007, 06:26 PM
Here are the rest of the pics...

Drivers door w/ deadener...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline017.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline019.jpg

Drivers door w/ mid mounted...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline020.jpg

All put together again...

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/filtor1/Powerline021.jpg

headless
09-02-2007, 07:16 PM
Note that the 'minimum amplifier rating' for the power line cs is 150w... :D Be careful not to send it a clipped signal...

http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/technical.php?lan=2&pro=1&lin=5

FoxPro5
09-02-2007, 07:51 PM
Running them off the passive x-over?

Sensitivity of 90 dB?

I'd go at least 250w to each door, myself. ;)

Just a word to the wise. Consider using screws less then the thickness of the top mounting baffle. If it's 3/4" MDF, then use 3/4" screws. Reason being with a high output driver like that, you might want to limit the amount of energy that would otherwise be transmitted through a long screw back to the door panel. Unless you've decoupled the entire baffle from the door steel, then I think you'd be ok.

You might also consider soaking that MDF in fiberglass resin or using some Rustolium or bedliner spray on them to keep them from breaking down.

filtor1
09-02-2007, 08:11 PM
Note that the 'minimum amplifier rating' for the power line cs is 150w... :D Be careful not to send it a clipped signal...

http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/technical.php?lan=2&pro=1&lin=5

Yeah, I have the gains pretty low, I set them by ear for now. I made an offer on a zx850.4 but no dice. We shall see if that works out. I need to come up with $30. I know it sounds weak, but I did just buy the comp set. Was going to bridge it @ 4ohms 425x2. That should do the trick. :)

filtor1
09-02-2007, 08:16 PM
Running them off the passive x-over?

Sensitivity of 90 dB?

I'd go at least 250w to each door, myself. ;)

Just a word to the wise. Consider using screws less then the thickness of the top mounting baffle. If it's 3/4" MDF, then use 3/4" screws. Reason being with a high output driver like that, you might want to limit the amount of energy that would otherwise be transmitted through a long screw back to the door panel. Unless you've decoupled the entire baffle from the door steel, then I think you'd be ok.

You might also consider soaking that MDF in fiberglass resin or using some Rustolium or bedliner spray on them to keep them from breaking down.

Passive for now.

Sensitivity is 90 dB 1W/1m.

I used 4 screws to mount the first 3 rings, then another set on the final ring, and yet another on the drivers. I did that to eliminate exactly what you are reffering too. Do you think that method is effective?

I noticed the old rings I had were done for. would a latex based paint work, or should I go get some rustolium? I was suprised at how much the old rings had expanded and fallen apart.

filtor1
09-02-2007, 08:18 PM
And just to say so, I am totally open to suggestions and criticisms. I am by no means an expert on this, I just enjoy doing it.

Especially if you have any input on building out the odd square section of the door panel where the stock grill is. I look forward to the project.

mach999
09-02-2007, 08:55 PM
Looks great. So how to they sound? On a side note, you and I have the same car in the same color. ;)

6spdcoupe
09-02-2007, 10:29 PM
Running them off the passive x-over?

Sensitivity of 90 dB?

I'd go at least 250w to each door, myself. ;)

Just a word to the wise. Consider using screws less then the thickness of the top mounting baffle. If it's 3/4" MDF, then use 3/4" screws. Reason being with a high output driver like that, you might want to limit the amount of energy that would otherwise be transmitted through a long screw back to the door panel. Unless you've decoupled the entire baffle from the door steel, then I think you'd be ok.

You might also consider soaking that MDF in fiberglass resin or using some Rustolium or bedliner spray on them to keep them from breaking down.

Nut Brudder ! Got your call, but you didnt leave a message. :( Calling back soon I presume?

6spdcoupe
09-02-2007, 10:31 PM
Passive for now.

Sensitivity is 90 dB 1W/1m.

I used 4 screws to mount the first 3 rings, then another set on the final ring, and yet another on the drivers. I did that to eliminate exactly what you are reffering too. Do you think that method is effective?

I noticed the old rings I had were done for. would a latex based paint work, or should I go get some rustolium? I was suprised at how much the old rings had expanded and fallen apart.

Chris, you could also just use knife inserts, this will Completely eliminate any contact between each ring. Alot of times if not predrilled the rings will make an attempt to seperate with large screws. It Will go through, but the attempt has been made thus potentially weakening the overall structure and opening you up for future possible seperation.

Although knowing you ...you wont wait to get the inserts. :)

alphakenny1
09-03-2007, 12:01 AM
also, if these rainbow power mids are anything like the profi vandium kicks i had, then it might take a while before they actually break in. it took my kicks a good 10-15 hours before they started to pound. just a thought before swapping out amps.

filtor1
09-03-2007, 12:22 PM
Looks great. So how to they sound? On a side note, you and I have the same car in the same color. ;)

I need to get them tuned. I messed around with them last night a little but, had some friends from Tally come in and we had a few, so that didn't get done. :) I need to modify the sails and cut the doors before I can give a good review. I can't really push them right now due to lack of power and the door panel issue. i can't believe how deep the mids are. :)

filtor1
09-03-2007, 12:24 PM
Chris, you could also just use knife inserts, this will Completely eliminate any contact between each ring. Alot of times if not predrilled the rings will make an attempt to seperate with large screws. It Will go through, but the attempt has been made thus potentially weakening the overall structure and opening you up for future possible seperation.

Although knowing you ...you wont wait to get the inserts. :)

I predrill everything. I know it takes some time, just something I am certain to do. :)

What are knife inserts?

filtor1
09-03-2007, 12:28 PM
also, if these rainbow power mids are anything like the profi vandium kicks i had, then it might take a while before they actually break in. it took my kicks a good 10-15 hours before they started to pound. just a thought before swapping out amps.

I am going to wait based upon not having funds for the new amp, but I do know I am under powering them. I am assuming that is what you meant? I want to see what they can really do with rated power. :)

PremierAudio
09-03-2007, 01:10 PM
You are barely warming them up with only 120w. They will still play, dont get me wrong, but the Powerline love Power. It does take a little while for them to really shine, but it also takes a good amount of power. Give them atleast 200w a side is my recommendation.

6spdcoupe
09-03-2007, 01:28 PM
I predrill everything. I know it takes some time, just something I am certain to do. :)

What are knife inserts?

http://www.mcmaster.com/param/asp/PSearch2.asp?reqTyp=parametric&act=psearch&FAM=insertsplasticwood&FT_158=10890&FT_108=10901&session=desc=Threaded%20Inserts;insertsplasticwood ;158=10890;108=10901&sesnextrep=755707434569960&ScreenWidth=1024&McMMainWidth=812

filtor1
09-03-2007, 01:31 PM
http://www.mcmaster.com/param/asp/PSearch2.asp?reqTyp=parametric&act=psearch&FAM=insertsplasticwood&FT_158=10890&FT_108=10901&session=desc=Threaded%20Inserts;insertsplasticwood ;158=10890;108=10901&sesnextrep=755707434569960&ScreenWidth=1024&McMMainWidth=812

Oh yeah, I have those here, just didn't know what they were called. :wacky:

filtor1
09-03-2007, 01:33 PM
You are barely warming them up with only 120w. They will still play, dont get me wrong, but the Powerline love Power. It does take a little while for them to really shine, but it also takes a good amount of power. Give them atleast 200w a side is my recommendation.

If I have my way, they will be getting a shade over 400/side. Just waiting on a seller to come through. I will have to wait and see how that pans out for me.

Cas
09-03-2007, 04:12 PM
those are really looking like bass woofers...first time i ever got to see how rainbow speakers look.....****nnnnnnn

HitManSE
09-03-2007, 04:38 PM
Nice install.

Everything looks a bit familiar, ill go out on a limb and say that door looks like it belongs to an 00-01 Maxima :eyebrow:

Personally im running the Arc 2300SE to power mine (340ish rms X 2) and from what time ive had to play with them, I can say definitely go easy on the gains with 425 going to them.

Those mids will let you know the second you crank it up too loud, just trust me on that one :D The hardest thing you'll run across is the mids playing too low on certain songs, basically the mids will reach their limit before the volume for the vocals are high enough. You'll just need to keep tuning them until you can find a fine balance, regardless they can get **** loud and the lowes they kick out is IMO lower then advertised.
Those tweeters are :drool: as well. Im sure you'll love those comps, just take your time getting them tuned in.

6spdcoupe
09-03-2007, 05:31 PM
Hey John dont you also have a 5th gen? Educate this n00b how they fit. :)

filtor1
09-03-2007, 05:47 PM
Nice install.

Everything looks a bit familiar, ill go out on a limb and say that door looks like it belongs to an 00-01 Maxima :eyebrow:

Personally im running the Arc 2300SE to power mine (340ish rms X 2) and from what time ive had to play with them, I can say definitely go easy on the gains with 425 going to them.

Those mids will let you know the second you crank it up too loud, just trust me on that one :D The hardest thing you'll run across is the mids playing too low on certain songs, basically the mids will reach their limit before the volume for the vocals are high enough. You'll just need to keep tuning them until you can find a fine balance, regardless they can get **** loud and the lowes they kick out is IMO lower then advertised.
Those tweeters are :drool: as well. Im sure you'll love those comps, just take your time getting them tuned in.

My car is an 01" SE. Good eye.

I wish I could shell out the cash for the 2300. I spent all my monies already. :)

I have them crossed at 80Hz right now. They pick up well below even after they have been crossed. There is a nasty low note in Betcha Can't Do It Like Me by D4L that they pick up. I am going to have to try and figure out how to get rid of that. I totally agree that the mids reach their limit before everything else does. Some more seat time should take car of that though. :)

filtor1
09-03-2007, 07:20 PM
I am trying to get ahold of an ZX850.4, but maybe I should go with the smaller ZX650.4. The 850 will do 425x2. The 650 will do 325x2. Which one would you recommend for this set? I will drop my offer on the 850 if you think it is too much for the set.

6spdcoupe
09-03-2007, 07:26 PM
You know my thoughts, but hardly listen anyway. :rolleyes:

:D

the727kid
09-03-2007, 08:20 PM
How long until you get some power to them? I'm waiting on a price may use these in an active set up (or 6x9 subs with Germs playin mids). But these look like they could handle it all and I could keep a stock look.

(BTW Don you get my PM?)

filtor1
09-03-2007, 09:10 PM
You know my thoughts, but hardly listen anyway. :rolleyes:

:D

Indeed. I wish I could afford what I wanted. I spent my wad on these Powerlines. :D And I do listen, just no bottomless wallet these days. :(

filtor1
09-03-2007, 09:13 PM
How long until you get some power to them? I'm waiting on a price may use these in an active set up (or 6x9 subs with Germs playin mids). But these look like they could handle it all and I could keep a stock look.

(BTW Don you get my PM?)

Depends on if they can handle the power of the ZX850.4 or I need to get the ZX650.4. I could get the ZX650.4 now, not sure about the ZX850.4 due to the seller. I will def let you know though.

kross
09-03-2007, 10:00 PM
I don't know how much you're willing to spend, but hifisoundconnection has factory refurbed Kicker kx850.4's for $280. Refurbs come with a 90 day warranty:

http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/1458698/vpcsid/0/SFV/30046

kross
09-03-2007, 10:07 PM
They also sell on ebay with the same name. They have some of those amps with a buy it now price of 237.50 + shipping. Same warranty.

filtor1
09-03-2007, 10:46 PM
kross, I appreciate the information. I stopped buying on the internet after a $790 mix up that I had to file a claim and jump through hoops to fix. Paypal was awesome though. I ended up getting all the money back. Outside of a private sale from someone with lots of references and dealer direct, I just don't trust online dealers. The lack of a factory warranty bugs me as well. Again, I do appreciate the information though. :)

HitManSE
09-04-2007, 03:12 AM
Hey John dont you also have a 5th gen? Educate this n00b how they fit. :)

Correct, they do fit but it does require a bit of...lets say persuasion (i.e. 3 extra screws holding each door panel in so everything doesnt come bursting out :D ) lets say the clips dont hold it all in too well.

The crossovers are however mounted in my doors, so theres a lot going on in there. Not to mention my doors are probably as deadened (if not more so then his).


My car is an 01" SE. Good eye.

I wish I could shell out the cash for the 2300. I spent all my monies already. :)

I have them crossed at 80Hz right now. They pick up well below even after they have been crossed. There is a nasty low note in Betcha Can't Do It Like Me by D4L that they pick up. I am going to have to try and figure out how to get rid of that. I totally agree that the mids reach their limit before everything else does. Some more seat time should take car of that though. :)

Lets say Ive spent too much time in that door :laugh: Im sure you can cross them lower then 80hz, much lower. Ill let you figure out what sounds best to your ear though, in the end thats all its going to come down to.

filtor1
09-04-2007, 07:01 AM
Lets say Ive spent too much time in that door :laugh: Im sure you can cross them lower then 80hz, much lower. Ill let you figure out what sounds best to your ear though, in the end thats all its going to come down to.

I am slowly learning what they are capable of. These things can get very loud. Louder than any other set I have used in the past while remaining clear. I can't wait to see what they are made of after break in and the addition of some more power. I worked for a long time getting the Q's and the Contours matched up, the Contours just weren't able to keep up. They blended well though. I am sure these will after time.

Where do you have your crossovers and slopes set? What about your sub stage too? I wouldn't mind trying some new settings. :) Also, where did you put your tweeter?

Thanks again for your input. ;)

headless
09-04-2007, 11:15 AM
glad to hear they are coming along nicely, filtor... i expect you will come to love them after ~15 hours of play time; my germaniums didn't really come into their own for about that long too.

FYI, i run mine at 63hz/18db crossover... they can get quite loud with that setting without straining, but if you intend to make them really scream i'd go with an 80hz/18db xover. At 63hz the mid does reach the limits well before the tweeter. I found they sound better @ 63 than 80 but i don't have an extremely loud substage... 1 kicker 10 on a punch 100 @ 1/2 ohm.

nismos14
09-04-2007, 11:59 AM
Sounds like they definately need to be ran active considering how the mid reacts vs the tweet. Looks great, looks like those mids would be all the sub I could need lol.

HitManSE
09-04-2007, 03:36 PM
Sounds like they definately need to be ran active considering how the mid reacts vs the tweet. Looks great, looks like those mids would be all the sub I could need lol.

Not necessarily active (though im sure they'd shine) but the true strength of the powerline CS comps is when you give each component its own frequency range to play.

What I mean is, if the tweeters had only 2.6khz-20khz to play, the mids only had 55hz-300hz to play, and you throw in a set of mids to cover the game between those two. Lets say a 4" set of Seas Lotus, each component of the 3way would be under a lot less stress, distortion would be minimal and you could probably crank the volume up 40% higher without any issues. Or just be a bit more aggressive with the gains.

2 Downsides to this though, 1 is you'd have to get 2 seperate amps to do this. A 4 way for the mids/highs and another to handle the mids (with more power of course). The 2nd is you'd have to find a place to stick those 4" (or whateve size floats your boat) mids.

Just to clear things up, those frequencies I listed are just #'s im throwing out there. Basically a starting point, you'd have to adjust it, tune it, ect.. to your liking to get it right.



I am slowly learning what they are capable of. These things can get very loud. Louder than any other set I have used in the past while remaining clear. I can't wait to see what they are made of after break in and the addition of some more power. I worked for a long time getting the Q's and the Contours matched up, the Contours just weren't able to keep up. They blended well though. I am sure these will after time.

Where do you have your crossovers and slopes set? What about your sub stage too? I wouldn't mind trying some new settings. :) Also, where did you put your tweeter?

Thanks again for your input. ;)

Yeah, they do get loud. Remember though, they'll let you know the second you go too loud. They'll match up to the Q's better then the coutours were able to.

The slops I have mine set at :crap: you're asking me to take that **** cover off :laugh: Ill get back to you on that, its been a while since I got in my trunk.

The tweeter, I stuck them...(see attachment) Figured its soft/silk dome (on axis) so it'll be aimed a bit more at me so I just had holes poked in my door panel and stuck em there. :D Plus that area looked bare & was flat so why not.

filtor1
09-04-2007, 03:41 PM
glad to hear they are coming along nicely, filtor... i expect you will come to love them after ~15 hours of play time; my germaniums didn't really come into their own for about that long too.

FYI, i run mine at 63hz/18db crossover... they can get quite loud with that setting without straining, but if you intend to make them really scream i'd go with an 80hz/18db xover. At 63hz the mid does reach the limits well before the tweeter. I found they sound better @ 63 than 80 but i don't have an extremely loud substage... 1 kicker 10 on a punch 100 @ 1/2 ohm.

I look forward to it. :) I left them at 80Hz. I have a sufficient sub stage to deal with everything 80 and below. 2-Fi Q 12"s on a SS PCA2000D which is a loaner amp till my D61500.1 gets back from repair. I have been playing around with turning the subs off and getting to know the front stage w/o it. These things play very low. With the slope at 6db and the crossover at 63, they have no trouble in that area. I can only assume my lack of power is why I am not having the blending issue between the tweeter and mid. That might change today. I have also set the slope at 12db/octave and the crossover at 80 for tuning.

alphakenny1
09-04-2007, 03:43 PM
i doubt it is because of lack of power that is causing blending issues. its more likely the install or tuning if anything. since you are using the passives i think, you can't do much there besides possibly messing around w/ the different xover pts on the passives. you can also maybe eq it to blend much better.

filtor1
09-04-2007, 03:46 PM
Yeah, they do get loud. Remember though, they'll let you know the second you go too loud. They'll match up to the Q's better then the coutours were able to.

The slops I have mine set at :crap: you're asking me to take that **** cover off :laugh: Ill get back to you on that, its been a while since I got in my trunk.

The tweeter, I stuck them...(see attachment) Figured its soft/silk dome (on axis) so it'll be aimed a bit more at me so I just had holes poked in my door panel and stuck em there. :D Plus that area looked bare & was flat so why not.[/QUOTE]

That was my second choice for location. I just didn't want to cut or drill the door panel. Guess I have no choice. :) I am going to try and build out the sail panel to correct the tweeters center point and aim it correctly. Just something fun to do. Worst case scenario, I have to buy another set of sails and mount them on the door. I will keep experimenting till I find where I like them.

You don't have to go through the trouble of taking the covers off your amps. I was just wondering. :)

filtor1
09-04-2007, 03:49 PM
i doubt it is because of lack of power that is causing blending issues. its more likely the install or tuning if anything. since you are using the passives i think, you can't do much there besides possibly messing around w/ the different xover pts on the passives. you can also maybe eq it to blend much better.

I am sure it will just take some time tuning and all.

HitManSE
09-04-2007, 03:50 PM
That was my second choice for location. I just didn't want to cut or drill the door panel. Guess I have no choice. :) I am going to try and build out the sail panel to correct the tweeters center point and aim it correctly. Just something fun to do. Worst case scenario, I have to buy another set of sails and mount them on the door. I will keep experimenting till I find where I like them.

You don't have to go through the trouble of taking the covers off your amps. I was just wondering. :)

**** man, you're having a horrible time quoting today :laugh:

Even were I mounted them at its not 100% aimed were I want them to. Its close enough for me not to care though. My amp covers, :laugh: Im trying to find a pic I took of their last settings before I put the covers back on. Figured im not going to remember, but now I cant find the pic.

filtor1
09-04-2007, 04:00 PM
**** man, you're having a horrible time quoting today :laugh:

Even were I mounted them at its not 100% aimed were I want them to. Its close enough for me not to care though. My amp covers, :laugh: Im trying to find a pic I took of their last settings before I put the covers back on. Figured im not going to remember, but now I cant find the pic.

Yep, my quoting skills have diminished as the thread has progressed. :graduate: I need to pay better attention. :D

headless
09-10-2007, 02:11 PM
well? :)

filtor1
09-13-2007, 01:06 AM
The Zx850.4 will be here tomorrow. It will be going in promptly after class. Actually after I get back from b-day dinner(father-in-laws b-day) at their house. Almost forgot about that. :) The tweeters still need to be re-aimed. They are wayyyyy off axis. the sail point slightly toward the windshield, something I didn't account for. The set is incredible. The cal26's are so freaking detailed, I can't wait to get some more power. I managed to get the mids to integrate very well with the sub stage. I will try running them passive for a bit. If I get bored I will yank the crossovers and run them active. I have some ideas for re-aiming the tweeters, just want to run it past a few other people before I buy the supplies.

filtor1
09-13-2007, 01:07 AM
Where in Tally are you headless? I travel there often to see family. Kilarn Estates is where they live.

headless
09-13-2007, 01:08 AM
Too funny - small world. I work on Kerry Forest Pkway - entrance to Killearn. I live south of town - highway 27. Next time you are in town you should see my ghetto rigged power line CS setup :) I might even have door panels back on by then. Maybe. If work ever gives me ANY daylight time to myself ;)

I really like the cal-27's. Are you running cal-26's?
What setting for attenuation are you running?
I've got mine set so the driver side tweeter is pointing at passenger headrest and vice versa.

filtor1
09-13-2007, 01:13 AM
Too funny - small world. I work on Kerry Forest Pkway - entrance to Killearn. I live south of town - highway 27. Next time you are in town you should see my ghetto rigged power line CS setup :)

I really like the cal-27's. Are you running cal-26's?
What setting for attenuation are you running?
I've got mine set so the driver side tweeter is pointing at passenger headrest and vice versa.

Indeed. I will drop you a PM next time I make the run.

Woops, I did make that mistake didn't I. cal27's is what I meant. I think they are at +3. The + setting is what I used b/c they are aimed pretty much at the dash. That will change once I get the sails redone. I want to have the same alignment you do. As close to it as possible.

headless
09-13-2007, 01:19 AM
Definetely drop me a PM when you're up this way

If it's +, it's +6 - only other options are -3db and 'reference' which is i believe still -3db (it might be a flat +/- 0db), but with the gradual -2db low pass above 4khz which i didn't like in my car. I found +6 to be verrrry loud bordering on harsh with rock like linkin park when the tweets are more directed towards you.... i really wish there was a +2db or +3db setting..

I'm particularly proud of my electrical-tape mounted tweeters. I'm hoping nobody will gank my **** simply because my car looks ghetto enough that nobody should expect this stuff to be worth anything...
that's my story and i'm sticking to it. BRB, going to beat on the car some with a baseball bat...

nismos14
09-13-2007, 08:13 AM
Pics of ^ ?

filtor1
09-13-2007, 08:57 AM
Definetely drop me a PM when you're up this way

If it's +, it's +6 - only other options are -3db and 'reference' which is i believe still -3db (it might be a flat +/- 0db), but with the gradual -2db low pass above 4khz which i didn't like in my car. I found +6 to be verrrry loud bordering on harsh with rock like linkin park when the tweets are more directed towards you.... i really wish there was a +2db or +3db setting..

I'm particularly proud of my electrical-tape mounted tweeters. I'm hoping nobody will gank my **** simply because my car looks ghetto enough that nobody should expect this stuff to be worth anything...
that's my story and i'm sticking to it. BRB, going to beat on the car some with a baseball bat...


I definitely will.

I also wished there was a +3 on this crossover. +6 is def a bit harsh on some music. I wish I could just stay home today and remedy the issue, but I need to not miss anymore classes.

Hahahaha, why did you not mount them. Just curious. :)

nismos14
09-13-2007, 09:06 AM
I think you need to just take that kicker and run them bishes active, no messing around.

headless
09-13-2007, 10:10 AM
Pics of ^ ?

LOL
http://headless.shackspace.com/Ghetto02.JPG
http://headless.shackspace.com/Ghetto03.JPG


You know, considering that Kicker is rated @ 200x4..
I'd just go active with it too ;)

filtor1
09-13-2007, 10:33 AM
I think you need to just take that kicker and run them bishes active, no messing around.

Might just do that. :D

filtor1
09-13-2007, 10:34 AM
It is actually rated at 215x4. :D

HitManSE
09-13-2007, 03:57 PM
It is actually rated at 215x4. :D

DO IT!

edit:Actually on 2nd though, be careful of the tweets. :D

215rms going into a tweeter active is going to be harsh to say the least, but only 1 way to find out.

filtor1
09-14-2007, 08:08 PM
Looks like active isn't going to happen. The birth sheet on this ZX850.4 is 897watts. I know I won't be getting near this, but the potential to is leading me to just run them passively. I don't think the tweeters would be happy with 250ish watts to themselves.

On that note. The amp came today. Sitting here looking pretty. I might throw it in tonight. Not sure though b/c we have company staying here for the weekend and I need to clean up a bit. :( Might just have to make it a late night. :)

nismos14
09-14-2007, 08:59 PM
I don't get it 450 watts to tweeters will leave your ears bleeding, GO ACTIVE :)

filtor1
09-15-2007, 01:14 AM
Well, my first impression with power. Ouch. They get loud enough to be uncomfortable before they reach their limits. UF vs. UT is tomorrow, and I will be intoxicated and enjoy a little tailgating before losing my voice at the game. I will get to tuning on Sunday and check back in.