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Imtjnotu
07-31-2007, 01:51 AM
ok guys after my car being stolen i was looking into getting a integra with an h22a and go all motor...i need to kno some mods i can do that will keep me street legal and still go fast..im a newb at this **** yes i kno but all i car about is car audio and i want to get in to the performance side of cars..so plz help me out...iaint lookin for turbo..just things i can do to the motor

saturnspl1991
07-31-2007, 01:54 AM
cali = almost no street legal mods....... plain and simple if your goin to stay street legal your goin to pay top $ for parts ... carb legal headers and intake , plenty of head work , cams , hidden nos maybe :yumyum: , stage 2 clutch ,full catback ummm maybe forged internals if your wallets deep enough :rolleyes:

dleccord
07-31-2007, 01:55 AM
get some good cams.

dbhittin
07-31-2007, 01:55 AM
my friend did a h22 all motor build and it only made 200whp and wasn't that fast.. all motor is a waste of money

saturnspl1991
07-31-2007, 01:57 AM
i should punch you in the fawking face for saying that...... all motor if donr right is plenty powerful....... k20 built up will easily do 240 at the wheels... a h22 will do **** near more, plus if you run a 100 shot of nos youll burn those turbod cars all day...... turbo lag = no fun :suicide:

fawd06
07-31-2007, 02:00 AM
wat car u had before?

Imtjnotu
07-31-2007, 02:02 AM
mods i had in mind....
intake cold or fusion ones
intake manifold..
stage 2 clutch
cams...
new fly wheel
fuel rail
255 fuel pump
and i want to bore out the pistons

dbhittin
07-31-2007, 02:03 AM
thats why u drive a saturn? 10'gs goin all motor for 250max hp or turbo set up for half that doin over 300whp easy? hmm

Imtjnotu
07-31-2007, 02:03 AM
my civic hatch wit b16c

dbhittin
07-31-2007, 02:08 AM
what u posted will net u around 180whp probly max

Imtjnotu
07-31-2007, 02:19 AM
dont the h22's put out more then that alone?

dbhittin
07-31-2007, 02:20 AM
200crank stock

Imtjnotu
07-31-2007, 02:22 AM
hmmmm
then what do u suggest i do

Imtjnotu
07-31-2007, 02:35 AM
cause i kno there are plenty of things u can do....so anyone help me out

Alpine CDA-9815
07-31-2007, 05:28 AM
Get a car with a V8? :D

Skip01
07-31-2007, 01:36 PM
Get a car with a V8? :D

As much as i love Hondas and owned one for years this is the only solution.



But that being said, cams,bolt-ons, and a good header should get you to 200hp and thats enough to run 11s in a hb....low 12s on street tires

http://www.importreview.com/dyno/2.2/22h22ajdmjun.jpg

Good Luck

Also go here....no need to ask this on a caraudio site...just gonna get opinions of people not facts

http://www.honda-tech.com/zeroforum/44

Watch how many cry and say honda-tech is useless and gay......i love it

logikalone
07-31-2007, 10:53 PM
Uhhhhhhh....H22 in a Teg? Why dont you just take a B18, through some Wisecos on there, a nice thin cometic gasket, some Ti valves and retainers, Skunk2 cams, p+p and blueprint the head, and grab a chipped p28 ECU off of someone on honda-tech and have a car running ~250 at the crank for only about 7 grand which includes the price of the motor?

dbhittin
08-01-2007, 03:34 AM
K20>b20vtec>lsvtec>b16>h22 lol how i see it.. i had a mild built b16 and **** smashed in my crx

dbaudio
08-01-2007, 08:20 PM
definitely look into an h22. but as mentioned before, save the $1000 on the motor and go for building up on the b18 thats already in the teg. You'll be shooting yourself in the foot with all the mods you'd have to do in that small engine bay.

You could of course get a '95 accord that's still in good condition and then do the 22 conversion on it. Lot's of room, modifications to get the engine in are not drastic. And nobody will ever think you're running a 22 in an accord.

rick22
08-02-2007, 12:14 AM
h motors will not show much of a gain when it comes to bolt ons. i have the jdm h22a in my prelude and did a cai and full 2.5" exhaust and didnt notice a difference at all and only gained minimally at the track. also the header is already at a max power unless youre willing to spend close to 1200$. i know the fastest n/a h22 is only like 500hp and its tens of thousands of dollars worth of mods. really only option to getting quick legal hp for cheap is to turbo or sc it.

Skip01
08-02-2007, 03:32 PM
h motors will not show much of a gain when it comes to bolt ons. i have the jdm h22a in my prelude and did a cai and full 2.5" exhaust and didnt notice a difference at all and only gained minimally at the track. also the header is already at a max power unless youre willing to spend close to 1200$. i know the fastest n/a h22 is only like 500hp and its tens of thousands of dollars worth of mods. really only option to getting quick legal hp for cheap is to turbo or sc it.

Whatd you expect from a cai and exhaust.......but you did gain at the track so it was worth it.

If you think H motors respond bad to bolt-ons try a B Series....its even more of a joke.

In the fairy world of money growing on trees we'd all love turbocharging our cars the right way.
And yes a good header for it is around 1000 unless you find on used....but well worth it:
http://www.sgt-racing.com/images/dyno/h22a1.jpg

Cams and some tuning...bam right around 250 more than enough for a Teg to get moving...or slap it into a HB and with drag radials mid 11s

ONLY 500hp n/a.....how can you use that word only...and id like to see that...i dont believe it

saturnspl1991
08-02-2007, 03:42 PM
exactly ...... 250hp in a car that light is doing things, very fast things :yumyum: once you go over 300hp , its almost too much power ( ill get flamed for saying that lol :rolleyes: ) but really the h22 isnt all that great , id rather have a fully built up b16 , and have it rev 10k reliably all day , or even go ls vtech just for a little more torque

Skip01
08-02-2007, 03:55 PM
exactly ...... 250hp in a car that light is doing things, very fast things :yumyum: once you go over 300hp , its almost too much power ( ill get flamed for saying that lol :rolleyes: ) but really the h22 isnt all that great , id rather have a fully built up b16 , and have it rev 10k reliably all day , or even go ls vtech just for a little more torque

Yehh b16 to 10k would be fun....but youd have to rev to 6k just to pass someone....think about the TQ an H22 makes....when i do i just :yumyum: :yumyum:

Ferendon
08-03-2007, 01:20 AM
cali = almost no street legal mods....... plain and simple if your goin to stay street legal your goin to pay top $ for parts ... carb legal headers and intake , plenty of head work , cams , hidden nos maybe :yumyum: , stage 2 clutch ,full catback ummm maybe forged internals if your wallets deep enough :rolleyes:

carb legal headers = keep your cat
carb legal intake = no such thing really... just make sure the filter stays clean
head work = pretty useless on a non-boosted car. P&P is about all you could use
cams = so slight. aggresive + no turbo = a car that won't idle, no low end power, and gallons of smoke on the top end
hidden nos = seriously?
stage 2 clutch = WHY? stage 2 clutch would be needed if you made some decent power, but no N/A honda will need much more than a stage 1.
full catback = anything but a bolt on fart can. There is such a thing as TOO big.
forged interals = again... WHY? You forge internals to make them stronger. As in, to hold more pressure... Like with a turbo, or blower. N/A motors hardly have ANY used for forged guts.

Do yourself a favor... You want to make some N/A power with an H22... Bore/stroke to 2.3 - 2.4l, high compression internals, thin metal headgasket, slight cam, good ignition, and good tune/engine management. Lightweight flywheel (learn to shift quick), stage 2 clutch, which you'll need at this point. Research the crap out of the available headers, and find the best long tube-esque headers you can get, hi flow cat, and a 2.25" - 2.5" full catback, with a GOOD muffler. Or just buy a good catback system from GReddy or the like.

Ferendon
08-03-2007, 01:20 AM
Oh, and ALL Hondas FAIL at tq.

Imtjnotu
08-03-2007, 01:25 AM
haha ok then imma get just an 16 or 18 and supercharge it..maybe a delsol

Ferendon
08-03-2007, 01:35 AM
Turbo is proven to be alot better on a B-series. turbo lag = a few seconds before you make any power = way less wheel spin.

dcole18
08-03-2007, 01:40 AM
idk y... but im a fan of a turbo D-series (let the flaming begin)

ive seen them break 500hp... my stock engine (93 civic hb si) is an D16z6 (sohc vetec :laugh: w/p28 factory)

if i decide to boost (11-18lbs) this thing ill plan on... destroker kit or vitera pistons to lower compression, new internals (forged...) new headstuds, new gaskets... and ill rebuild my factory tranny (hx series)... with that done i should be around atleast 325hp and in a hatch with such a light engine and a tranny with such wide gearing (2nd tops out at about 80 :fro: ) it should be pretty quick for a D series:...:laugh:

Skip01
08-03-2007, 04:52 PM
Oh, and ALL Hondas FAIL at tq.

Considering that their 2100-2500 lbs 200tq is more than enough to feel it in the pants:)


idk y... but im a fan of a turbo D-series (let the flaming begin)

ive seen them break 500hp... my stock engine (93 civic hb si) is an D16z6 (sohc vetec :laugh: w/p28 factory)



Def....SOHC Vtec engines make some nasty power and are cheap.....some of them acutally make more TQ than HP

southstylestang
08-03-2007, 05:04 PM
my cousin built a delsol with a h22 swap in it. had it turbo'd. but never really got to drive it b/c they was still tuning it. it was doing around 350-400 hp. he wasnt done doing all the stuff to it but he left one week to go to cali and when he landed in cali his phone blew up with the guys at the shop saying somebody stripped his turbo and intercooler and all that stuff. about a month later we found a guy talking about he had a turbo setup for his h22. keep in mind this guy was **** broke and then a few weeks later he changed his story and said his turbo kit didnt fit right for some reason..........................the intercooler, brackets, pipes and all that stuff was made custom to fit a delsol. lol. he ditched the stuff before we got it back tho.

dragnix
08-03-2007, 05:10 PM
only D series that make power is the zc engine. So don't let ppl listen to u guys and go out and turbo their D15B7

twisztdauthorit
08-03-2007, 05:23 PM
Honda FTL ?

na_rsx
08-03-2007, 05:33 PM
ok, this is a place where i know my ****, a built k20 say in a hatch will be ****en fast, yes all Hondas lack torque, and wheel hop > us. but still doesnt mean its slow, a few guys on clubrsx.com, are making 250hp to the wheel with intake, race header, exhaust, stage 3 cams (also everything else that is needed), and fully tuned (stock bottom end).

but a H22 in a integra, not worth it. try to find a gsr, and build it.

Ninteens
08-03-2007, 05:34 PM
WTF! My Built B16a has way more than enough power. I'm running a 13.6@103mph with my Civic hatch on street tires right now.

My motor is very streetable with decent low end power. But My B series really shines from 5500-9000rpm.
A turbo on my motor would be overkill!

na_rsx
08-03-2007, 05:36 PM
WTF! My Built B16a has way more than enough power. I'm running a 13.6@103mph with my Civic hatch on street tires right now.

My motor is very streetable with decent low end power. But My B series really shines from 5500-9000rpm.
A turbo on my motor would be overkill!

most built hondas shine from a roll, sad to say, only bad thing about a FWD honda, wheel hop FTL. if you dont have drag radials or slick, off the line is pointless, especially if your racing a V8.

Ninteens
08-03-2007, 05:41 PM
most built hondas shine from a roll, sad to say, only bad thing about a FWD honda, wheel hop FTL. if you dont have drag radials or slick, off the line is pointless, especially if your racing a V8.

Not at all, I'm running Hasport motor mounts, and poly bushings. The car has never wheel hopped at all.
I launch at about 4500rpm, It spins for about 15ft, but never comes out of Vtec. I don't street race, but any average V8 car/truck isn't going to hang with me at all. Now the Camaro/Firebird will overtake me at speeds over about 80mph, thats where a turbo would give me the advantage!

dragnix
08-03-2007, 05:44 PM
k24 block with a k20z head....pwns

na_rsx
08-03-2007, 05:52 PM
k24 block with a k20z head....pwns

ah the infamous Frankenstein setup, it definitely pushes out more torque. and the k20z1 is much better than the k20a2.

i plan on camming my car with buddy club stage 2 cams, and tuned with kpro. my goal is 240's. it may not seem a lot to most people, but thats pretty much all i need to school nukkas.

Skip01
08-03-2007, 06:12 PM
only D series that make power is the zc engine. So don't let ppl listen to u guys and go out and turbo their D15B7

You do know there are D series Vtec engines right?

220pages full of D Series setups.....not that he should go with this a Teg...it would be pointless to swap out a B series for a D series,but nontheless

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1643764


K Series all the way if you got the money

Me personally, id never go with a b16 for a daily driver....my DX is about the same til 5500...its pitiful for daily...you have to shift around 6000 just to get up to hwy speed....not worth it.

LS Turbo all day.....power and torque from longer stroke than GSR:fro:

dbhittin
08-04-2007, 01:50 AM
i loved my b16 9gran redline! not stock motor by the way

dcole18
08-04-2007, 04:51 AM
only D series that make power is the zc engine. So don't let ppl listen to u guys and go out and turbo their D15B7


:eyebrow:


if i was gonna turbo a D it would be a fully built D16z6... i would be willing to wager that it would put out way more powa than a ZC

plus i would get to keep my HX series tranny ... 80mph in 2nd gear with a turbo setup FTW!!!

CRAZYCORNUTS18
08-04-2007, 05:04 AM
this gu i met the other day had a honda fit with a new 2006 honda si engine in it with all motor only ups was a intake and full no-cat exhaust and headers

southstylestang
08-04-2007, 05:04 PM
HONDA = Hold On Not Done Accelerating :fyi: lol j/k