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TnAudiophile
07-16-2007, 05:05 PM
OK guys...

I would like to build a system using Rainbow equipment to show that, even using the factory locations, a great sounding system can be built at an affordable price...

Currently I am considering the following lines:

SLC
Germanium
ProFi's

What would you suggest to install in the OEM doors of a 2004 F150 Reg. Cab ?

Thanks !

J

Latina33
07-16-2007, 05:08 PM
OK guys...

I would like to build a system using Rainbow equipment to show that, even using the factory locations, a great sounding system can be built at an affordable price...

Currently I am considering the following lines:

SLC
Germanium
ProFi's

What would you suggest to install in the OEM doors of a 2004 F150 Reg. Cab ?

Thanks !

J

What's your idea of affordable price, and what kind of power will you be giving them?

CrazedCat
07-16-2007, 05:08 PM
Affordable is a relative term

dvrmstrng
07-16-2007, 05:10 PM
im looking at some germs i think they are $450?

Latina33
07-16-2007, 05:11 PM
Affordable is a relative term

Isn't it, though! :)

So you've got a set for $280, $450, and $900. :eek:

konechiwa
07-16-2007, 05:12 PM
OK guys...

I would like to build a system using Rainbow equipment to show that, even using the factory locations, a great sounding system can be built at an affordable price...

Currently I am considering the following lines:

SLC
Germanium
ProFi's

What would you suggest to install in the OEM doors of a 2004 F150 Reg. Cab ?

Thanks !

J



buy the one that costs the most duh

WhoSayWho?
07-16-2007, 05:14 PM
OK guys...

I would like to build a system using Rainbow equipment to show that , even using the factory locations, a great sounding system can be built at an affordable price...



Is this for a school science experiment?

Latina33
07-16-2007, 05:16 PM
SLC Kicks BNIB for $280's the way to go, and give them 150w a side to make open them up right.

bk12321
07-16-2007, 05:17 PM
SLC Kicks BNIB for $280's the way to go, and give them 150w a side to make open them up right.

whats the difference between the kicks and the regulars.....????

ive asked this question before with no response.

bk12321
07-16-2007, 05:18 PM
and yes buy the SLC's for "affordable". you cant get much better for the price.

Latina33
07-16-2007, 05:19 PM
whats the difference between the kicks and the regulars.....????

ive asked this question before with no response.

The Kick version has approximately 1.5 times more midbass response than the normal SLC version.

3.5Max6spd
07-16-2007, 05:19 PM
Assuming 2way, SQ first and foremost....Profi Phase PLug or Profi Vanadium Phase plug is my recommendation.

TnAudiophile
07-16-2007, 05:20 PM
I feel that ALL these speakers are affordable... with the SLC and the Germanium being the most...

I am most interested in what models would be best suited for an Off-Axis location...

Corollacrazy42
07-16-2007, 05:21 PM
Yea I thought if you look at the specifics on most sites that sell them, it says they just produce better midbass...

TnAudiophile
07-16-2007, 05:22 PM
2-way OR 3-way....

either would be mounted in the doors though...

TnAudiophile
07-16-2007, 05:22 PM
Power would be KW 2270 or KW 4150...

3.5Max6spd
07-16-2007, 05:29 PM
2-way OR 3-way....

either would be mounted in the doors though...

They all work exceptionally well off axis. The phase plug drivers are the flattest sounding bass wise with the best midrange of the 2way sets you would be looking at. 3way, it only makes sense to go with the more robust kickbass set for midbass since you'll have a dedicated midrange.

The biggest problem with going 2way in an oem location is the restriction of the grill and how it can restrict off axis response and affect negatively the critical midrange, not to mention resonance in the midbass region. If you have a non obtrusive grill or can fab one, its a bonus.

TnAudiophile
07-16-2007, 05:37 PM
A new grill would be fabed...

Also, my subwoofer would be installed under the front dash... so bass up-front...

J

3.5Max6spd
07-16-2007, 05:42 PM
A new grill would be fabed...

Also, my subwoofer would be installed under the front dash... so bass up-front...

J

Even better as its automatically great midbass/bass reinforcement, i would go with the phase plug to have all bases covered optimally if you are going 2way fronts plus sub.

TnAudiophile
07-16-2007, 05:46 PM
And if I choose 3-way ?

dvrmstrng
07-16-2007, 05:46 PM
how big of a jump is it from the SLC kick to the Germ?

Rawr-DQ
07-16-2007, 05:47 PM
affordable and going with rainbow? lol :)

TnAudiophile
07-16-2007, 05:50 PM
Rainbow is an excellent overall value...!

3.5Max6spd
07-16-2007, 05:53 PM
And if I choose 3-way ?

The Phase plug drivers dont come in 3way sets, so its their standard midbass or the Kickbass as options for a dedicated midbass driver. The kickbass being the more optimal door speakers as its motor adjusts to any door after break-in and settling near optimal Q (0.707). This speaker really pounds the midbass out, its not affected by the anomalies of the avg speaker on how its response is affected by the Vas. It'll kick your *** in a door as little as 15 Liters the same way it does in one as large as 115 Liters.

If either way you are putting a midrange in the door, i'd opt for the 2way to at least minimize point source. Three way with midrange/tweet in kicks with door mounted midbass is a more lucrative choice.

bk12321
07-16-2007, 06:44 PM
The Kick version has approximately 1.5 times more midbass response than the normal SLC version.

same high-end response????

i noticed the kick version was just a tad bit bigger, but they seem to be approximately the same cost...

just wondering why people would even buy the regular ones if you could get more midbass for the same price.

bk12321
07-16-2007, 06:47 PM
how big of a jump is it from the SLC kick to the Germ?

at least a couple hundred bucks more.... but from what I hear, germs arent like the SLCs. I hear the germs are more "love or hate" speakers. Ive never heard the germs personally so dont swear by this, but I hear they are a tad bit "piercy" in the upper frequencies, like MB Quartz kinda. No i dea though, I really wanna hear them to see what the fuss is all about.

they are more expensive, so they MUST be good... I dont know though.

and i cant remember who posted it, but someone had side by side pics of the SLCs vs. the germs, and the germs just killed the SLCs... they are beasts and the build quality is amazing.

dvrmstrng
07-16-2007, 06:47 PM
how big of a jump is it from the SLC kick to the Germ?

anyone?

OCURIEL
07-16-2007, 07:19 PM
I prefer the Profi Vanadium phase plug over the Profi Kick paper version. Better midrange and midbass is still very good.

Won't do much lower then 80 Hz, but it blends very good with the sub at 80 Hz 12 dB slope.

6spdcoupe
07-16-2007, 11:36 PM
Jeremy,

Your phone skills are severely lacking sir. I coulda just summed up for ya. :)

TnAudiophile
07-16-2007, 11:52 PM
Don,

I call a couple of times and left you a message today....???:confused:

I'll call you tomorrow day...


J

6spdcoupe
07-17-2007, 12:04 AM
Oh LoL I didnt check the message and thought it was Scott. :) Sorry bud.

Flipx99
07-17-2007, 12:12 AM
For what its worth, I went from the SLC to the Profi Kicks.

Still haven't got them installed (sitting for what 8 mos?)

The logic was the SLCs just didn't do it for me as far as midbass goes. I also read a review of a direct comparison of the kick / phase plug and he reccomended the kick. The kick does come with limitations and you have to have an appropriate substage to make it work well. (I am thinking anyways)

If you are uncomfortable about your substage (can it play good to say 60 Hz because it does cross, subs don't stop at 80 Hz and the mids begin at 80 Hz)

If your substage is all about the lows and all that good stuff, I would go with the phase plug.

Flipx99
07-17-2007, 12:13 AM
Actually, you are very close to me. If you want, I can show you the profi kicks in person. I live in the boro.

TnAudiophile
07-17-2007, 08:06 AM
That would be great... we are only about 30 miles apart...

Flipx99
07-17-2007, 08:10 AM
Just let me know and we can work something out.

TnAudiophile
07-17-2007, 08:15 AM
Do you also work in the Boro ?

I could run up there during my lunch time...

J

Flipx99
07-17-2007, 08:17 AM
I work in both Tullahoma and Smyrna....

The weekend would be good to meet up at Lowe's. I work at the one in Smyrna.

Or...this afternoon at Lowe's. I will be working late though. I can let you look at it and test fit it in your truck. I will be working though.

TnAudiophile
07-17-2007, 08:22 AM
I appreciate it...!

Maybe we can get together later this week on possibly next week... My wife is a teacher and we have been working on her room to get it ready for school next week...

J

Flipx99
07-17-2007, 08:22 AM
Just let me know...

TnAudiophile
07-17-2007, 08:27 AM
Will do !

Hebrew Hammer
07-17-2007, 05:15 PM
And if I choose 3-way ?

doing a 3way in factory locations and all in the door is a waste of time and money...I'd do the profi 2way and call it a day...then at a later point step up to an active setup...

TnAudiophile
07-17-2007, 05:28 PM
Profis it will be....

J

Flipx99
07-17-2007, 05:32 PM
Do you still want to see them?

I think you made a very good choice.

Future upgrades are either cost or install prohibitive IMO.

BlackMaxima
07-17-2007, 11:55 PM
Isn't it, though! :)

So you've got a set for $280, $450, and $900. :eek:




isnt the powerline CS $900??
if it is, i would get the CS

TnAudiophile
07-18-2007, 12:39 PM
The Powerline midbass is MASSIVE... and would be quite difficult to install in my doors...

Now I just need to decide between the Profi standard, Kickbass or the Phase plug version...

6spdcoupe
07-18-2007, 02:56 PM
Actually the CS midbass fits in your car very comfortably, check with Brypink about that... ;)

Flipx99
07-18-2007, 03:02 PM
The Powerline midbass is MASSIVE... and would be quite difficult to install in my doors...

Now I just need to decide between the Profi standard, Kickbass or the Phase plug version...

I have the CS tweeter. It is pretty nice.

In case of a robbery you could probably knock someone out with it.

If you make a baffle, you need a 1 7/8 forrester bit. The 1 7/8 hole saws are too big. I learned that the hard way.

TnAudiophile
07-18-2007, 03:12 PM
Flipx99: Thanks for the info !

Flipx99
07-18-2007, 03:16 PM
I am not the rainbow king...but I have user experience only

Scroder2
07-19-2007, 12:01 AM
I have bnib Rainbow SL 165's http://www.iqcaraudio.com/rainbow/sound_line_sl/index.htm
I would sell for $155 shipped.

Dave

TnAudiophile
07-19-2007, 08:29 AM
I appreciate it but I am looking at something a little more advanced in the product line.

J

brypink
07-19-2007, 09:51 PM
Actually the CS midbass fits in your car very comfortably, check with Brypink about that... ;)

Yep, been there, done that! I got the CS mid to fit in a '05 F150. :thumbupw:

If you have the money for the CS PowerLines...by all means GO FOR IT!!!! Just make sure your substage can keep up! lol