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Fenix
07-13-2007, 02:25 AM
The Pioneer deck that I have which is the DEH 1900 just isn't going to cut it anymore. When the deck was bought, I didn't really look at the options available as it was a quick purchase.

Now that I'm looking to upgrade, I've narrowed it down to two decks and would like some suggestions as to which was to go and why.

The decks that I have chose are the Clarion DXZ575USB and the Pioneer DEH-P4900IB

I haven't ever been a big fan of Clarion, but I've heard there new stuff is pretty good. I do like the usb port in the front of the deck for those long road trips. I also like seeing the 6 volt preouts. What I don't like about the Clarion is the design of the faceplate. Looks like it's "busy" if that makes sense.

As far as the Pioneer, it's a sharp looking deck, I'm more familiar with the Pioneer set up, it has 4 volt preouts which is also it's downside compared to the Clarion.

I guess the thing for me is the voltage. I'm still kind of new to this whole area of car audio, so I'm not familiar with how important the voltage on the preouts are. I do have subs and amps hooked up within my system, so I am looking for something to push those components to give the most out of them.

What do you all think?

supa_c
07-13-2007, 02:34 AM
budget ? can be in can or us
Pre out voltage is not something that you need to worry about, if its over 2V thats great.
Will you notice a difference between 2V and 4V, probably not.
Id be more concerned about how many bands of eq it has, what kind fo radio reception does it have,does it support or have ipod, mp3 ect.
Dont be fooled with the gimics and how it looks. You dont see audio, you hear it. SO if it looks like *** and sounds like gold then who cares.
Also take into consideration user interface. Some h/u's can be a royal PITA to change things with. Thats when you need to go down to visions, a/b sound, future shop or w/e and play with whatever h/u's they have and see what you like.
P.S
If you are really **** about the preout thing go eclipse, cant beat the 8V they have

UCF52
07-13-2007, 02:37 AM
if it were me id go with either eclipse or pioneer, whatever models fit your price range. thats just my .02

Fenix
07-13-2007, 02:38 AM
I'm not really **** about it since I don't know much about it you know what I mean. And I am limited actually to only shopping at one store as I actually returned the DEH1900 but can only get store credit. I'd love to check out an eclipse, but that will more than likely be something for me to look at for my next deck.

That's why I've narrowed it down to those two. From what that store had that I was interested in, that is what I came out with. I'm sure they have better decks, but they included things that I'm not really interested in.

supa_c
07-13-2007, 02:40 AM
buy some piece of crap
sell it locally
take the money you made off that sale and buy something thats not junk
Every eclipse that ive owned sounded amazing, the only problem was the interface was horrible and i sold both of them...which were the top of the line units eclipse made back in the day.

Fenix
07-13-2007, 02:40 AM
if it were me id go with either eclipse or pioneer, whatever models fit your price range. thats just my .02

I appreciate that. I'm looking for things exactly like that.

When I started getting into car audio probably 6 years ago, Clarion equipment was a joke and I never thought about them at all until I saw that deck today. But if I won't notice anything with the extra two volts, then I'll just go with the Pioneer as then I won't have to mess with the wire harness or anything. What I do know is that this deck should blow the 1900 out of the water.

Fenix
07-13-2007, 02:41 AM
So you're saying both those decks I mentioned are junk?

supa_c
07-13-2007, 02:49 AM
Look for yourself...
The only gain i see is 1.8v more in the preout, sub preout and rear aux in
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-YITHl059fzj/cgi-bin/ProdComp.asp?g=300&c=3&s=0&cc=01&pt2=0&compareitems=130DEH1900&compareitems=130DEHP490&x=38&y=5
If you think thats worth the upgrade by all means go for it

Fenix
07-13-2007, 02:52 AM
There's also more options for customization for SQ and sub control which the 1900 didn't offer.

What about the Clarion then? If you feel the same way about that, if you want to try something for me, check out futureshop.com and give me a couple suggestions

supa_c
07-13-2007, 02:55 AM
When i went to FS i bought the best h/u i could, ive still got it today and havent regreted buying it. Ya it cost me like $450can but it did its job and it did it well. Plus it has an aluminum face which no other h/u at the time had.

Fenix
07-13-2007, 02:59 AM
What did you end up going with? And I'm not saying FS is ****, but they aren't amazing. They only carry JVC, Clarion, Pioneer and Sony decks. I was looking at a JVC as well as I've used JVC in the past and I really liked their many EQ settings and ease of use. Just not a big fan of the cheap screens they use. How do you feel about JVC? I can grab you the model number if you'd like.

supa_c
07-13-2007, 03:00 AM
If i had to pick one it would be this:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10084889&catid=

supa_c
07-13-2007, 03:02 AM
What did you end up going with? And I'm not saying FS is ****, but they aren't amazing. They only carry JVC, Clarion, Pioneer and Sony decks. I was looking at a JVC as well as I've used JVC in the past and I really liked their many EQ settings and ease of use. Just not a big fan of the cheap screens they use. How do you feel about JVC? I can grab you the model number if you'd like.
Well it was back in 01 but it was a JVC-KD-SH55.
Some people dont like JVC, ive personally never had a problem with them.
FS has a really poor variety of stuff

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:07 AM
I really liked my JVC actually. I went from an Alpine deck to the JVC and I loved how I could know what I wanted to do on the deck and get there without having to press 18 buttons to get there. Which is why I was looking at the JVC today. It was the JVC KD-G830. I didn't go with it mainly because the screen as well as the layout which after playing with it for a bit wasn't too bad.

With the Panasonic, would that be a good way to go? Alot of people don't like PS but I know people know get deep into car audio to know which companies make certain products and have heard that alot of higher end equipment is made by the same people as PS. Out of what I showed you tonight, with the Pioneer, the Clarion and now the JVC, what makes the one you picked stand out? I'm not questioning you or anything, I'm just trying to get as much info from you because it sounds like you know your stuff when it comes to HU

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:09 AM
I can't find that deck anywhere as far as reviews go. Does it go by a different name in the states?

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:17 AM
That deck actually JUST went on sale. The link you sent me shows it at $30 more than if you go to it now

supa_c
07-13-2007, 03:18 AM
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-9GE8210ckf9/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=300&I=133C7105
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-9GE8210ckf9/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=300&I=133C8303
the one below is a higher model but its cheaper and also has 26 reviews

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:20 AM
The panasonic doesn't have sub control

supa_c
07-13-2007, 03:22 AM
eh ?
Subwoofer Output: In addition to front and rear preamp outputs, the receiver has a non-fading, two-channel subwoofer output on an 8" pigtail. You can adjust the volume of the subwoofer output from -6dB to +6dB in 2dB increments. The subwoofer output's low pass filter can be set to 80Hz, 120Hz or 160Hz. In addition, you can set the high pass filter for the other speakers at 90Hz, 135Hz, 180Hz, 225Hz, or Off.
You can also turn off the internal amp, a feature only found in higher end units

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:25 AM
On the FS site, it shows that the unit doesn't. The units you showed me on Crutchfield are actually different models.

supa_c
07-13-2007, 03:26 AM
http://www.panasonic.ca/english/car/caraudio/players/cqc7105.asp
check it out

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:29 AM
Yes, but the model that FS carries is the CQ-C7205 not the 7105

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:32 AM
That's weird. If you look at the picture on the FS site of the unit, it shows it with a model number of the 7105

supa_c
07-13-2007, 03:32 AM
my bad
In that case...
http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=112160&catGroupId=25028&modelNo=CQ-C7205U&surfModel=CQ-C7205U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:33 AM
If that is indeed the case, what about this unit makes it better than the others we discussed tonight? And is it true that alot of higher end products are made by the same companies as Panasonic? I guess I'm just trying to grasp the fact that Panasonic isn't like Sony you know what I mean?

supa_c
07-13-2007, 03:36 AM
well, going by specs alone...
More preout voltage
more bands of eq
better looking display
other than that its similar to the pioneer

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:39 AM
Well, I'll go check out the deck tomorrow then possibly.

supa_c
07-13-2007, 03:42 AM
Werd.
Nothing better than actually using the h/u itself and comparing it to others.

Fenix
07-13-2007, 03:47 AM
I'm probably going to have to do some reading on Panasonic units to see what's up. Like I said, I just don't want to get the unit and find out that it's another Sony deck. Are Panasonic unit's either better than they once were or just good all around decks?

supa_c
07-13-2007, 04:02 AM
No idea
dont plan to use or ever own one
They dont offer any high end models that compete with the big boys

Fenix
07-13-2007, 04:06 AM
Haha ok. Well I appreciate the honesty. I'll probably just stick with the Pioneer so that I can just get it in there without having to rip apart the harness. But when it's time to move from this one, I'll be checking out an eclipse just to ease my own curiosity.

supa_c
07-13-2007, 04:08 AM
or just buy something else with the store credit and go to a better place or online...

tbasile1
07-13-2007, 09:25 AM
I love my Pioneer deh-4900ib!!!! it was a huge step up from a Pioneer deh-1800(just like your 1900, but a year older)

UCF52
07-13-2007, 09:35 AM
Every eclipse that ive owned sounded amazing, the only problem was the interface was horrible and i sold both of them...which were the top of the line units eclipse made back in the day.

haha, cant argue that. i have an old school eclipse