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fatryan
07-10-2007, 05:33 PM
ok, so i been running MBQ premium 6 1/2" comps all around in my blazer. they were running off an orion 500.4 i loved them. they were loud and clear. but now i got a new car, 03 accord coupe. stock speakers are 6 1/2" for front and 6x9 for rear deck. i dont wanna custom glass some 6 1/2" plates like i did for my blaze, cause its a nightmare not worth the end result. but i dunno if i should:

1. sell a pair of MBQ's and buy some 5 1/4" comps for the rear deck. that way i can make a plexiglass adapter plate and still have kick *** sound.

OR

2. sell all my ****, buy kick *** front comps that handle at least 200wrms, and buy a 400watt 2-ch amp. then run some decent 6x9's of my deck

problem with #1 is i dunno if i can find small comps thatll handle 150wrms a piece. any suggestions? other ideas? TIA

dimond
07-11-2007, 12:30 AM
i would just stick with concentrating on your fronstage..rear fill ruins imaging.
Im pretty sure you would be happy running some bombass components w/decent power through a 2channel. You can run 6 1/2 components upfront for all Accord models. You shouldnt have any problems with power issues. I dont know what you mean by small speaker size upfront. Didnt you use 6 1/2 MBs in your old setup?

fatryan
07-11-2007, 12:45 AM
i would just stick with concentrating on your fronstage..rear fill ruins imaging.
Im pretty sure you would be happy running some bombass components w/decent power through a 2channel. You can run 6 1/2 components upfront for all Accord models. You shouldnt have any problems with power issues. I dont know what you mean by small speaker size upfront. Didnt you use 6 1/2 MBs in your old setup?
that would be a little easier, but im worried about it getting loud enough. im sure im gonna need around 200wrms to each comp in the front. also, i really dont wanna destroy my door panel with a 3-way setup. tweets can go in dash and woofer in door, but theres nowhere for a midrange. so are there any good 2-way comps that handle 200wrms and arent ridiculously expensive. i basically only have whatever money i make off selling my comps and amp to put toward new comps and amp. and suggestions?

Eugenics
07-11-2007, 12:47 AM
get a set of boston Z's for the fronts and feed them 400 per channel. forget the rest

fatryan
07-11-2007, 01:06 AM
yeah too bad theyre like $800

Eugenics
07-11-2007, 01:21 AM
who the hell pays retail?

fatryan
07-11-2007, 01:50 AM
who the hell pays retail?
you can get like 75% off retail? cause thats what im looking to pay

fatryan
07-11-2007, 01:52 AM
btw, i was just thinkin, i could most likely just bridge my 500.4. but when i googled its specs, it said it was 65w X 4 @ 4ohm..????..my MBQ comps are 4 ohm and im def gettin more than 65w to each

Eugenics
07-11-2007, 02:07 AM
get some pro60's than

fatryan
07-11-2007, 02:11 AM
rms power handleing is too low

DejaWiz
07-11-2007, 10:10 AM
Just the fronts ftw.

Rainbow SLC Kick or CMX perhaps? I know there have been quite a lot of comments posted here about them taking a clean 200+ wrms and loving it.

Or how about the 720PRS's?

I recently went and auditioned the Treo TSX comps... a little harsh in the tweeters for my tastes (they were running off 230w rms per side though), but they can be attenuated from the passives to -3 or -6 dB. Owner of Metro Audio here in Omaha said that not one set has come back because of failure from abuse, and they sell about 300 sets a month. Seems like a rock solid set for $300. He ran them through a torture test playing full range with no pass filters at very high volume for almost 200 hours contiuous... and those were the exact same comps/amp combo I auditioned. The mids didn't do so good off-axis, so I'd recommend mounting them no more than 20-30 degrees off-axis. If you can't mount the mids in pods or angle them, then I suggest you look elsewhere.

BTW, what's your budget?

jluv
07-11-2007, 10:22 AM
rms power handleing is too low

It's really not. I know they are rated at 125, but they do fine (better, imo) with more power. I run mine active with roughly 225 to each mid and 40 to each tweet, and they do very well. I have them playing 71 hz and up, but can play them as low as 63 hz if I don't get too crazy with the volume. The tweets are 8 ohm, so figure them to get about half of what your amp will do at 4 ohm, and they really don't need more than 30 watts to get really loud.

fatryan
07-11-2007, 02:42 PM
DejaWiz,

excellent recommendations. i like the rainbows and pioneers. what would you say are better overall? PRS or the rainbows? and whats the dif between the 2 rainbows?

jluv,

you think those comps will handle 200-250watts each run as a passive setup?

fatryan
07-11-2007, 02:44 PM
wait those PRS's say 50w nom on pioneers site? WTF!?

DejaWiz
07-11-2007, 03:09 PM
wait those PRS's say 50w nom on pioneers site? WTF!?

Underrated massively. I auditioned them running on the Premier 2100 amp (full range digital, 150w rms per channel) through an 880PRS HU and they sounded awesome.

If you can swing the $300 or so and like a more aggressive midbass, I'd probably go with the Rainbow CMX, CMX Kicks (both are the CAL25 Titanium tweeters), or the SLC Kicks (CAL2045 Silk tweeters).

Or if you want to save a bit of money and get a set for a bit under $300 that has very decent midbass presence and overall very nice and accurate highs, go with the 720PRS's.

fatryan
07-11-2007, 03:10 PM
well i cant seem to find any of them for sale anywhere :(

tbasile1
07-11-2007, 03:15 PM
Wiz is right, ive heard those Pioneers, very underated, and they do sound good!!!!

They are hard to find online though

fatryan
07-11-2007, 03:17 PM
think the prs's can take my 500.4 bridged to 250w/ch? i can just keep the gains low

DejaWiz
07-11-2007, 03:22 PM
Yep. No problem.... tune the gains to deliver a clean 100-150w rms and you should have no issues whatsoever.

DejaWiz
07-11-2007, 03:25 PM
well i cant seem to find any of them for sale anywhere :(

OCS (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17068) might have limited stock. Be quick about ordering though.

tbasile1
07-11-2007, 03:30 PM
look at the review on the bottom :)

mlstrass
07-11-2007, 03:30 PM
Have you even tried to see if your 6.5's will fit in the rear 6x9 openings? Might just drop right in.

If you liked 4 speakers before, then run it again. I like the sound of loud rear fill, apparently you do also.

Personally I don't let others tell me what "my" ears like....:)

fatryan
07-11-2007, 03:39 PM
Yep. No problem.... tune the gains to deliver a clean 100-150w rms and you should have no issues whatsoever.
well i was kinda hopin for somethin thatll take 200w cause i wont have an real rear sound

fatryan
07-11-2007, 03:40 PM
Have you even tried to see if your 6.5's will fit in the rear 6x9 openings? Might just drop right in.

If you liked 4 speakers before, then run it again. I like the sound of loud rear fill, apparently you do also.

Personally I don't let others tell me what "my" ears like....:)
well they didnt fit in my blazers 6x9 openings so i just assumed they wouldnt fit in my accords either

DejaWiz
07-11-2007, 03:47 PM
well i was kinda hopin for somethin thatll take 200w cause i wont have an real rear sound

I doubt there's going to be an audible difference with the 720's at 150wrms vs 200wrms due to their efficiency. If the signal is clean, you should be able to send them 200w rms without a problem (after they break in).

jluv
07-11-2007, 03:58 PM
DejaWiz,

excellent recommendations. i like the rainbows and pioneers. what would you say are better overall? PRS or the rainbows? and whats the dif between the 2 rainbows?

jluv,

you think those comps will handle 200-250watts each run as a passive setup?


I think so, yes. I know for a fact the mids will do fine. You can back the tweeter presence down using the crossover network, which may be smart if you are really sending them that much power. I used mine passive for a while on 150x2 (roughly 75 to the tweets since they are 8 ohm) and they did fine. If needed, set your gains conservatively. Those Bostons will get as loud as you would need them even at 150x2, I'll bet.

fatryan
07-11-2007, 03:59 PM
I doubt there's going to be an audible difference with the 720's at 150wrms vs 200wrms due to their efficiency. If the signal is clean, you should be able to send them 200w rms without a problem (after they break in).
well off a 500.4, sending a clean signal shouldnt be a problem if were talking about 200w/ch. especially since the 500.4 is underrated

mlstrass
07-11-2007, 05:25 PM
you can get adapters for like $10 to drop your 6.5's in the rear. If that's what you like that's what I'd do.

Eugenics
07-11-2007, 06:29 PM
pro60's will take 250watts per side, no sweat.

fatryan
07-12-2007, 12:20 AM
you can get adapters for like $10 to drop your 6.5's in the rear. If that's what you like that's what I'd do.
i bought "6x9 to 6.5" adapters for my blazer, but they werent even close to working. hole was way to small. got them from crutchfield. how u gonna go up in size anyways?

fatryan
07-12-2007, 12:22 AM
pro60's will take 250watts per side, no sweat.
ok, they seem a bit pricey though. u know a place thats got em cheap?

fatryan
07-12-2007, 12:51 AM
hey what about Diamond S600S, theyre 170wrms and close to my price range. diamond is real good arent they? how would these compare to the other mentioned in this thread?

Eugenics
07-12-2007, 01:04 AM
ok, they seem a bit pricey though. u know a place thats got em cheap?

300 new on ebay. I'm sure you can find them on some of the boards for cheaper though, or put out a WTB. I dont think 300 is tooooo bad for a good set of two way comps.

fatryan
07-12-2007, 01:12 AM
yeah thats really pushin it for me though, im broke as ****. what u think about the s600s's or s600a's? im seein them real cheap. 200 shipped on here

dimond
07-12-2007, 03:05 AM
i personally like diamond, i use them myself. Go with the S600s. Im running the M6's with LPG25na tweets w/150 to eachside. Sounds good and loud. Since your running MBs already y dont you try the Q series, either QSC or QSD, pretty cheap on ebay. theres another guy on the forum asking about either the S600s vs. QSD.

DejaWiz
07-12-2007, 09:51 AM
The Diamonds are nice, however the tweeters are a smidge harsh for my tastes. They could be perfect for you, though.

fatryan
07-12-2007, 02:23 PM
ok well whats you guys think is the best outta these for handling 200wrms/piece and sounding great:

Diamond S600s's
Diamond S600a's
BA Pro60's
Rainbow SLC Kick's
Pioneer 720PRS's
ARC ACS-265's

fatryan
07-12-2007, 02:23 PM
hell ill just make a poll

fatryan
07-12-2007, 02:31 PM
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3211454#post3211454

:)