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1loudsuv
07-02-2007, 04:14 PM
http://www.svsound.com/news-news.cfm

they look to be well priced, and using good quality parts. and they look good to.

thylantyr
07-02-2007, 09:28 PM
Looks good for commercial speakers. They share similar beliefs - the tweeter is
crucial to a loudspeaker, so they scored some great tweeters for the design.

[borat] ... nice... how much ?

$1400/pair.

The custom woofers probably cost them under $25 each which is fine, they
are using the killer tweeter.

DIY equivalent:
If you wanted to clone this, the driver costs you'd pay would be $440/pair for
tweeters. You'd probably need to spend $35 for good midwoofers, that puts you
in the $580 DIY price range just for drivers. Use my rule of thumb, multiply that
number by 5 - 20 times. If SVS were a high end exotic brand, then they would be
pricing these speakers using a dealer model, priced anyone from $2900 - $11,600
pair. Buy direct model, cut that number in half, so $1450 - $5800.

It's a good deal.

Step 2: Go listen to them before you buy. :)

ngsm13
07-02-2007, 09:50 PM
I'd really love to order a full setup from them.

nG

joetama
07-03-2007, 09:54 AM
Looks good for commercial speakers. They share similar beliefs - the tweeter is
crucial to a loudspeaker, so they scored some great tweeters for the design.

[borat] ... nice... how much ?

$1400/pair.

The custom woofers probably cost them under $25 each which is fine, they
are using the killer tweeter.

DIY equivalent:
If you wanted to clone this, the driver costs you'd pay would be $440/pair for
tweeters. You'd probably need to spend $35 for good midwoofers, that puts you
in the $580 DIY price range just for drivers. Use my rule of thumb, multiply that
number by 5 - 20 times. If SVS were a high end exotic brand, then they would be
pricing these speakers using a dealer model, priced anyone from $2900 - $11,600
pair. Buy direct model, cut that number in half, so $1450 - $5800.

It's a good deal.

Step 2: Go listen to them before you buy. :)


$35 midwoofer? If you are playing that much for the tweeter you can surely step up the mid...

But, I always agree with step 2... ;)


I'd really love to order a full setup from them.

nG


I would like to hear them sometime... Also, in you avi there, is my arm going through bmxfegs neck?

thylantyr
07-03-2007, 11:21 AM
$35 midwoofer? If you are playing that much for the tweeter you can surely step up the mid...

DIY equivalent {$35 mid}, lol

Sure if you are not making an equivalent, score some $150 mids :)
but there are some very nice mids in the $25 - $45 price range.


Look at these new ones. $39
http://www.rawacoustics.com/item__M-130X,848.html

http://www.rawacoustics.com/item__M-165X,849.html

7.8mm xmax, XBL^2 motor.

1loudsuv
07-03-2007, 01:10 PM
DIY

.

I might be having a little project in the next 2-4 weeks just depends how fast the parts get here.

I have seen the light, diy is cheaper and more bang for the buck :)

thylantyr
07-03-2007, 03:22 PM
I have seen the light, diy is cheaper and more bang for the buck

DIY is good but the drawback is you need to collect tools, come up with
a gamplan and then do the work. If you buy good tools they stay with
you for a long time if you want to build more stuff. Good tools = good work.

Table saw?
Router?
Drill ?

If you want to make DIY easy, over-engineer you ideas so you don't lose
interest in your speakers too soon - because you will spend more later building
new ones. If you really want to move forward, go all active -> DCX2496
If you did go all active, then you can pretty much just design your own system
using your favorite drivers *or* drivers that are interesting to you. It's easy
to get random drivers to blend well with a good signal processor.

What is the latest on the design you want to build?

1loudsuv
07-03-2007, 03:40 PM
I have seen the light, diy is cheaper and more bang for the buck

DIY is good but the drawback is you need to collect tools, come up with
a gamplan and then do the work. If you buy good tools they stay with
you for a long time if you want to build more stuff. Good tools = good work.

Table saw?
Router?
Drill ?

If you want to make DIY easy, over-engineer you ideas so you don't lose
interest in your speakers too soon - because you will spend more later building
new ones. If you really want to move forward, go all active -> DCX2496
If you did go all active, then you can pretty much just design your own system
using your favorite drivers *or* drivers that are interesting to you. It's easy
to get random drivers to blend well with a good signal processor.

What is the latest on the design you want to build?

I am gonna start with a sub I need more bass :)

As far as tools go ill have a friend build the boxes for me, he built a couple for me for dbdrag but he never had enough time to build me 1 a week lol ( I built the rest but they never came out as nice as his)

Right now I am unsure if I should go with 15" or a 12" I dont have much space to play with and want to tune around 25 hertz, but if the 15" really ouputs allot more then the 12" then ill go that way

these are the things I am planing on getting

(I had planned it before but never went through with it)

http://www.tcsounds.com/tc3000.htm

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=300-808&ctab=2#Tabs


Then when I am done with this and if I like the sound, I will take the next step and order the kit from sardonyx.

ballstothewall
07-03-2007, 03:42 PM
The best part about active with the DCX is that if you feel the urge you can go whip up a speaker design in the woodshop and not even have to worry about designing/building a crossover. Just plug it in, change some settings on the DCX and your ready to rock.

ballstothewall
07-03-2007, 03:43 PM
For the price of that TC woofer you could buy a new SS RL-P 18"

*edit* If you even think you might go active sometime in the future, dump that plate amp and go buy a quality rack amp. My vote always goes to QSC.

thadman
07-03-2007, 05:28 PM
Infinite Baffle:naughty:

thylantyr
07-03-2007, 05:35 PM
Did you model the subwoofer design in WinISD?

TC3000 woofer; Quad 2 ohm coils. You can wire all four coils for either;
1/2 ohm 2 ohm, or 8 ohm.

PE Plate amp; It's rated for 500w @ 8 ohms, 1000w @ 4 ohms.

You'd have to wire up the TC3000 for 8 ohms and you'd only
get 500w from the amp. It would be risky to connect a 2 ohm woofer
load to that plate amp. $400 for the plate amp with an 8 ohm load isn't
worth the money spent. But they give you an EQ and low pass filter, 4th order
which is nice.

If you want to make your audio more future proof you can get a proamp
and seperate signal processor. A cheap idea is to use the Buttkicker BKA1000
class D mono amp, it's not too bad for $250. It's fanless, has RCA input, low
pass, etc., and it is 2 ohm stable @ 1900w. Who knows what the real power is
if you benched it as most amps are inflated in their power specs.

Some of these Buttkicker amps have toasted in the field and the company has
honored the warranty and sent out replacements [keep your receipt], they
blamed bad caps, but who knows. If you want to be a thrillseeker, snag a
Crown CE4000 on the used market. It's cost alot at $650 - $800 but it's a
steal if you understand it's design. I can tell in in greater detail why it rules.
Essentially you are getting an amplifier that has many 'power' features of
the Crown Itech 4000 that cost $2500 - $4000. You get SMPS, PFC, SMPS,
real heatsinks + fan, wind tunnel cooling. That's a great snag. I know two
people on the AVS forum that recently score some at ~ $650 on ebay.
I can't think of any other subwoofer amplifier that can beat this for the money
unless you get into the $1500 - $2000 price range. This amp would be 'future
proof' for bass. It also supports 220VAC if you want to extract even more power.
Big money initially but the power it delivers rules.


Since you are getting into DIY, start to check out this forum section.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=155

Check out this crazy HT install;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=867123

Jai's LMS / PR sub. nice
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=860957

Another flavor of the month woofer; CSS SDX
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=864243

1loudsuv
07-03-2007, 05:40 PM
theirs a dual 2 ohm version the one I am getting, If I finally decide to get it lol

Oh yah I seen that setup... IMO its the first time I can say its trully over kill. They NEED a bigger room, that room is tiny.

I havent read all 8 pages of the tc 5400 build but how does the guy like it so far?

thylantyr
07-03-2007, 05:40 PM
www.tcsounds.com

"
TC Sounds will be undergoing a pricing restructure over the next 3 weeks. Prices will increase 30-50% on every product. This will be the last time to own the world's best subwoofers for unbeatable low prices. "

1loudsuv
07-03-2007, 05:44 PM
Dang this ***** :( The only thing limiting right now on what I do is available ac outlets I have one dedicated 20 amp and a shared 15 amp outlet, but I dunno if thats enough anymore for what my future plans are calling for.

My towers are rated at 8 amp each and the new plate amp is 10 and plus the receiver and tv etc etc and when I add another amp I am gonna be pushing it :(

1loudsuv
07-03-2007, 05:46 PM
www.tcsounds.com

"
TC Sounds will be undergoing a pricing restructure over the next 3 weeks. Prices will increase 30-50% on every product. This will be the last time to own the world's best subwoofers for unbeatable low prices. "

I seen that. I need to know ASAP if the 15" will really output that much more then the 12" using the same amount of power. I like the 12" cause it would take up less space. I dont like eyesoars and neither does the girl lol

thylantyr
07-03-2007, 06:12 PM
12" TC3k DVC vs. 15" TC3k DVC;

Ballpark;
The 15" will be 4-5dB louder, sealed or ported. The 15" will go lower.

1loudsuv
07-03-2007, 06:35 PM
12" TC3k DVC vs. 15" TC3k DVC;

Ballpark;
The 15" will be 4-5dB louder, sealed or ported. The 15" will go lower.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm and I really dont want any regrets so its looking like the 15" :) I am mostly trying to get more 20-25 hertz bass for movie watching, the towers I got now drop off bad below 30 hertz or so

joetama
07-03-2007, 06:42 PM
www.tcsounds.com (http://www.tcsounds.com)

"
TC Sounds will be undergoing a pricing restructure over the next 3 weeks. Prices will increase 30-50% on every product. This will be the last time to own the world's best subwoofers for unbeatable low prices. "

Not like their prices were high enough already...

ngsm13
07-03-2007, 06:45 PM
I think I'm gonna sell all my car audio **** and get a new 5.1 setup from SVS...

nG

1loudsuv
07-03-2007, 06:58 PM
I think I'm gonna sell all my car audio **** and get a new 5.1 setup from SVS...

nG

Thats what I did, I don't regret it at all....

Since I am home more then I ever will be in my truck. Now if you commute like 2 hours one way every day then it would be a bad idea lol But I can drive to work and back each way for 30 minutes and not think about booming even a simple cd player does it for me in car. Plus it makes me enjoy my home setup more, in car sounds like crap and in house does ok. but a worlds difference lol Now I do miss the bass as to why I need more!

joetama
07-04-2007, 12:36 AM
I think I'm gonna sell all my car audio **** and get a new 5.1 setup from SVS...

nG

I'm not going to lie... I love my car system, but I wish I had that money back...

1loudsuv
07-04-2007, 03:20 AM
Well the box for the 15" is ordered from a friend of mine and ordering the 15" either tommorow or thursday and i found this killer deal

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=2_106&products_id=500

cant wait to get it together in the next week or two :)

ngsm13
07-04-2007, 01:10 PM
Well the box for the 15" is ordered from a friend of mine and ordering the 15" either tommorow or thursday and i found this killer deal

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=2_106&products_id=500

cant wait to get it together in the next week or two :)

Oh thank god, I thought you were going to get an eD subwoofer...

WHEW...

nG

Flipx99
07-05-2007, 10:39 AM
The best part about active with the DCX is that if you feel the urge you can go whip up a speaker design in the woodshop and not even have to worry about designing/building a crossover. Just plug it in, change some settings on the DCX and your ready to rock.

How easy is that to configure?

Since I don't have the ability to design a crossover, this seems like a pretty good deal. I could swap drivers in and out to try different things.

I guess I would need to figure out how to get my reciever to play "full range" with no crossing over via internal settings.

Is it okay to not use a rack with this crossover?

ballstothewall
07-05-2007, 01:44 PM
How easy is that to configure?

Since I don't have the ability to design a crossover, this seems like a pretty good deal. I could swap drivers in and out to try different things.

I guess I would need to figure out how to get my reciever to play "full range" with no crossing over via internal settings.

Is it okay to not use a rack with this crossover?

It takes just a little bit to get use to the navigation through the menus but other than that its easy to use. The only bad side of going active is that you have to have an amp for every channel, for a 3-way active setup you need three seperate amps.

When I run active I have my preamp, DCX, an ART SLA-1 amp, QSC 1.0HV amp, and a QSC CX902 amp, all for 2 speakers and a woofer.

If you plan on doing much DIY it is a GREAT investment just due to the ease of playing with it and finding what crossover frequencies you like the best.

You don't need a rack to use it either, just set it somewhere, all a rack is is a easy mounting solution for equipment.

Flipx99
07-05-2007, 02:36 PM
I see...seems to be a pretty expensive deal then.

I guess I need to go another route then

envengineer
07-05-2007, 03:01 PM
Dang this ***** :( The only thing limiting right now on what I do is available ac outlets I have one dedicated 20 amp and a shared 15 amp outlet, but I dunno if thats enough anymore for what my future plans are calling for.

My towers are rated at 8 amp each and the new plate amp is 10 and plus the receiver and tv etc etc and when I add another amp I am gonna be pushing it :(


Outlets take about an hour to install. Just get a decent grade hospital outlet and run additional wire to your breaker box. As long as you aren't exceeding the max capacity of the whole box it should be a non-issue.



Note the "some influential enthusiasts" line in the SVS press release: http://www.svsound.com/news-news.cfm

Links to npdangs initial review of the tweeters on DIYMA. http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38596&postcount=1

ballstothewall
07-05-2007, 04:49 PM
I see...seems to be a pretty expensive deal then.

I guess I need to go another route then

It is expensive to begin with, but it is a great route to take if you intend on designing/building lots of speakers.