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jellyfish420
06-27-2007, 11:27 PM
i'm gonna be glassing my doors. i'm gonna glass the entire area on the bottom(outlined in red) its going to house a 7" and a 1" tweet. i can glass the front...easy enough mount my rings then wrap and glass. but how would i go about sealing it on the back side. i'm probably gonna end up cutting the panel in half, mounting the top half w/ the clips and screws. so would the best way be to wrap the front, and glass it...then cut the plastic out of the back and get a piece of wood for the back and glass it together? heres pics of what i'm working w/. any help GREATLY appreciated.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9991/1016590hb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1491/10165902pf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3357/1016593rs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

jellyfish420
06-28-2007, 07:53 PM
ok, so i started the driver side today. i got the panel off, and cut. now that i have it apart and see what i'm working w/ i think i know what i'm gonna do. there is alot more room inside the panel than i thought. first i'm gonna glass the back, from the front, and build it up the sides. then place the rings, and wrap it.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8086/1016598ce1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1912/1016594ji8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this is a crappy pic, but you can see the depth of the panel...
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1526/1016596fq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

jellyfish420
06-29-2007, 05:51 PM
first...i had to rivit this little guy on. my soundstage was awfully lop-sided...
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4435/1016609rl2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
here it is w/ fabric sealing the backside, then resin....i just needed something to work on. tommorw(hopefully) it'll get some glass.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1512/1016607by5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/192/1016608wi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mlstrass
06-30-2007, 01:15 AM
I'll be watching to see how yours turns out as I'm getting ready to do something very similar.

Still haven't decided 100% how I want to do it, but am considering doing the entire lower panel like you are.

Keep posting pics/updates, so I can get some ideas...

jellyfish420
06-30-2007, 07:57 AM
i just ordered some seas neo tweets :) http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1734&osCsid=d9bf4608815b0ad11c08b050b9b65a07
and if i get the mids i want, i will be running 7" scanspeaks :)
where in ill you at?

jellyfish420
06-30-2007, 01:16 PM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4248/1016610bg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

jellyfish420
07-01-2007, 12:55 AM
more pics...
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7443/1016611zz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this is where it sat the first time...i didn't like it, so i re did it. moved it in a little, sorry no pics of the second :(
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9518/1016613vc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

work space in my garage...
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9350/1016614et3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

wrapped and ready to go
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3277/1016615vn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

resined up ;) i screwed w/ it too much (as usual) the glue let go on the 7" ring, so i got the pliers holding the material down till the resin cures...
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1893/1016616nk5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

AltarCrystal
07-01-2007, 10:27 AM
Excuse my nosyness, but why do you have so many stoves? :laugh:

fwb_1234
07-01-2007, 10:34 AM
They are washers and dryers. But I to wonder this.

Otherwise, nice build. Are you sure that the panel that you are glassing on will fit back on the door?

DBfan187
07-01-2007, 10:36 AM
Excuse my nosyness, but why do you have so many stoves? :laugh::laugh:

stuckinok
07-01-2007, 10:37 AM
Excuse my nosyness, but why do you have so many stoves? :laugh:

Those are not stoves :wow:

jellyfish420
07-01-2007, 10:58 AM
well lets just say i don't have much luck w/ washers or dryers :( but there is one stove in there...its not in the pics, but theres one there.

mlstrass
07-01-2007, 11:01 AM
i just ordered some seas neo tweets :) http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1734&osCsid=d9bf4608815b0ad11c08b050b9b65a07
and if i get the mids i want, i will be running 7" scanspeaks :)
where in ill you at?


Nice choice on speakers. I'm currently running the Vifa XT25's and just made angled rings to get them on-axis, MUCH better. But I still might try the Seas large format alum tweets.

I'm up near Gurnee/Six Flags area...

jellyfish420
07-01-2007, 11:22 AM
why would the panel not fit? i glassed it on the floor so it was flat. i'm suprised that noone noticed what i used to hold the rings in place...:laugh:

req
07-01-2007, 11:58 AM
i noticed pencils.

i like chopsticks myself.


and nice to see you back here again. i have not seen you around in ages.

ngsm13
07-01-2007, 12:49 PM
Should turn out well.

nG

jellyfish420
07-01-2007, 12:55 PM
test fit :)

:) I LIKE :)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9545/1016621iq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8057/1016622id3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ngsm13
07-01-2007, 01:06 PM
Why do you have pink heat/AC control knobs?

nG

jellyfish420
07-01-2007, 01:11 PM
Why do you have pink heat/AC control knobs?

nG

funny you should ask. they weren't supposed to turn out pink :suicide:
i pulled the rubber off the front of the knobs so they would be red, and the whole knob would light up red, you know, the pontiac's have ALL red dash lights. well.....ya, it *****, i cant put the rubber back on.

ngsm13
07-01-2007, 01:33 PM
Lol.

nG

TheBaron929
07-01-2007, 05:18 PM
skills on the pink....

and i'm suscribed, excited to see how this ill turn out

jellyfish420
07-02-2007, 05:59 PM
threw some speakers in to get an idea of the sound, and since i won't be able to work on it again till i get the bosses kids' box done. sounds nice really brings the midbass alive.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4863/1016625jo8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

connersdad19
07-02-2007, 06:29 PM
nice so far keep us posted

mlstrass
07-02-2007, 09:22 PM
Once I see finished pics I'll be motivated to do mine. Coming along nicely.

I'll be doing 2 mids, side by side, and angled back/up, any tips on how to stretch the fleece over them?

jellyfish420
07-02-2007, 10:38 PM
little info i learned researching my project. i'm doing my for sq though...
if your set on doing 2 mids(playing the same freq) you need to have them on the same plane and the same distance from your ear, or else you'll end up w/ tons of cancellation. if you wanna do 2 mids do one for say 80-400hz and one for say 400-2500hz, that way they're not fighting each other. i opted for one, nice pair.
as for stretching fleece. i start by stretching over all the rings, the work my way around the 'panel' in a circle. just pull it tight and get rid of any wrinkles.

jellyfish420
07-05-2007, 06:05 PM
got my tweets today :) :)
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7961/1016639xd3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
kitty-haired the hell out of it ;)
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/834/1016642xo0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/857/1016643mg8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

DDSC
07-05-2007, 10:09 PM
I was thinkin about doing this with my 96 prix too, would you suggest I get some panels from the junk yard if its my first glassing project???. I also wanted to do this to the rear decklid, would dynamat keep the metal from rattling against the glass or is there something better, or just as good and cheaper to use. How much did you pay for the glassing supplys to do that on the doors

stuckinok
07-05-2007, 10:13 PM
happy sanding..lol

DDSC
07-05-2007, 11:26 PM
and what did you use you paint your dash, looks nice got a real deep color

CaliforniabOY5
07-05-2007, 11:33 PM
mmmmmmmmm looks like a great! what are ur other plans for the interior?

jellyfish420
07-05-2007, 11:52 PM
if this is your first glass job...def get some junkyard panels. there is no way i could of done this on my first job. in fact, my first glass job looked like crap! i might do my rear deck in the future as well ;) the real prob is the torsion bar setup in there they use to hold the trunk open. i still don't know how i'd do it though(the deck) cause i wanna put my subs there, but i don't know how i'd do the box..... but if your just doing the deck for some little speakers that don't require a box, or ib(which i may do) i would bolt it down, either a bolt in the mold that i could put a nut on from in the trunk. or vise versa nut in the mold. i painted the dash w/ 2 stage car paint. i had some left over from when i painted the door. ;)
i have a da, and tons of paper, plus i hit it w/ the roloc discs first...sanding doesn't even bother me:)
as for the rest of the interior. my next project(before the rear deck) is get bucket seats up front, and glass a center console. i'm moving the radio between the seats...but mainly i'm doing this because i'm tired of not having a d@mn cupholder!!!!! :crazy: you know how many sodas i end up wearing! then the deck, and probably alot more i just ain't thought of yet.i was thinking of doing an engine cover...

DDSC
07-06-2007, 12:31 AM
Well I cant really glass a center console cause my gear selctor is right down the middle, I could redo it to make it look better but so-far as adding gadgets thats outta the question for me, what price for materials would i be looking at to glass the door panels

jellyfish420
07-06-2007, 12:50 AM
you got the 2 door? mines a 4 door...my gear selector is on the column. :suave: well my materials were cheap. i have plently of leftovers from my boss's kids' truck http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=242796
but i'd say ~1/2-3/4 gal resin ($21/gal from boat repair shop up the road) 3-4 yrd mat ($3/yrd) kitty hair ($25/gal my cost from the shop i work at ;) ) lots of time doing it + blood sweat and tears (priceless)
i'm also gonna glass the bottom half of the back doors. not putting anything in them, just glassing them/painting them to match the front doors.

DDSC
07-06-2007, 04:23 PM
well, im about to go get me some wood and tools and take a crack at building my first box, Pics posted later wish me luck

blackbonnie
07-06-2007, 04:29 PM
good luck, and lets see more on this build

jellyfish420
07-06-2007, 06:18 PM
i worked on my door for about 2-3hrs today and am not as far as i was yesterday :( i layed another layer of kitty hair over the door...and didn't have enough harderner in it :( so i had to scrape it off. this is where i finished today...
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/3672/1016648fh1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

blackbonnie
07-06-2007, 06:19 PM
still lookin great, what color are you looking towards paintin it?

DDSC
07-07-2007, 02:00 AM
I would do it the same as the dash he painted

jellyfish420
07-07-2007, 08:31 AM
I would do it the same as the dash he painted

i'm actually repainting the dash when i do the doors. i'm doing everything the new chevy color, its almost the same color, but brighter.

jellyfish420
07-07-2007, 11:55 PM
here's what it looks like today. almost done w/ the bondo. i'm having a little trouble getting it smooth under the handle, and where the glassed part meets the top part. hopefully i'll have it taken care of, and primered tommorow.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6821/1016654bj7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

blackbonnie
07-08-2007, 07:34 AM
lookin awsome, cant wait to see it finished

jellyfish420
07-08-2007, 11:58 AM
:)
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/3235/1016657mj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

konechiwa
07-09-2007, 08:37 PM
looks really nice!!

blackbonnie
07-09-2007, 09:02 PM
lookin real good

jellyfish420
07-09-2007, 10:16 PM
made some progress today. got the driverside put in. thats the way its gonna stay till the other side is done, that way i can paint both doors, and the dash all at once. started on the pass side.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/536/1016663tj7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7388/1016662au9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

blackbonnie
07-09-2007, 10:23 PM
sweet, and are those the tweets you are gonna use?

DejaWiz
07-09-2007, 10:28 PM
Sub'd. Nice work so far.

jellyfish420
07-09-2007, 10:49 PM
thanks, and no. i got some seas neo tweets in the other day. i'm not installing them till i get time to rewire. i'm adding another amp for the fronts and 2 runs of 14ga to each door and going active :) the re 6.5s are only staying in till i save enough money to get my 7's...heres whats going in my door.
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1734&osCsid=d9bf4608815b0ad11c08b050b9b65a07
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1604

mlstrass
07-10-2007, 02:32 AM
Looks very good. Nice choice on speakers also. Read a lot of good things about those tweets.

I decided to do wooden "pods" for my doors. Sort of like a home speaker baffle look. LOT of fabricating, but it's coming along nicely. Not as smooth looking as a glass install, but I wanted something different.

Looking forward to completed pics.

steinkea
07-10-2007, 04:14 PM
Wow that sure does look sweet.

inapontiac
07-10-2007, 04:25 PM
Quite busy with the fiberglass I can see.

Good job with all these projects.

blackbonnie
07-10-2007, 05:29 PM
that will sound good in there with that equipment

jellyfish420
07-12-2007, 10:36 PM
got to work on it a little today, now that my other project is finally done...
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=242796
i got the rings mounted. this door is gonna be diff than the first, i have the mid and the tweet on the same axis as the first door, so i don't have any side biasing. the mid at about 30-40* and the tweet at 0*. i can't wait, its gonna sound so good!
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2473/1016689dw5.jpg

jellyfish420
07-13-2007, 11:10 PM
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4936/1016690ox3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6002/1016691zi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

blackbonnie
07-14-2007, 08:53 AM
still looking good, so are the doors gonna be identical?

tRidiot
07-14-2007, 09:43 AM
Excellent job. But MAN you've got that midrange close to your leg, don't you? Did you not want to consider kickpanels at all? I just wonder about alot of your midrange frequencies being blocked by your leg, not to mention the tactility of having a large driver firing that close to your leg. Seems the imaging could be skewed a bit. I'm gonna do something similar in my doors, but for now I've just got 8s mounted with birch baffles. They're not playing midrange, though, I'm running a 3-way active front. When I do mine, i'm gonna have to completely rebuild doorpanels from scratch. :(

Excellent work though. :)

tRidiot
07-14-2007, 09:45 AM
Also, since this is a sealed enclosure, any idea of actual volume?

jellyfish420
07-14-2007, 12:48 PM
no, the doors are not identical...but the angle of the speakers are, follow?
i would guess the volume between .3-.5ft, theres actually quite a bit of room in there.

jellyfish420
07-14-2007, 12:56 PM
there are several reasons for the build the way i did. kickpanels were not an options...1) i had them in my last car and had a problem w/ people kicking them, i yelled alot, but they still got kicked. 2) the mid and the tweet HAD to be together, and i wasn't fond of the tweet on the floor. 3)i wanted to go sealed, and not near enough room for what i wanted. 4)i just like the way it looks better in the door, than on the floor. i've got my temp re comps mounted in the driver door now, running passive and have got zero problem w/ the mid freq. when i go active i'm crossing them over around 2500, so i feel there will be even less of a problem, as i believe now (passive) they're crossed at ~3500.

twisztdauthorit
07-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Very nice build.
I wanna try something like this when i get a new car worth working on.

Can anyone recommend a place to get spare door panels? places like pick a part that i have seen only have older cars =/

Rawr-DQ
07-14-2007, 01:53 PM
Well, if you can do it, I can glass my doors too o.O...lol.

I've been wanting to, but put it off..maybe I'll try working on some sails!

twisztdauthorit
07-14-2007, 05:29 PM
Probably was asked already but how much resin will you use for both doors?
as stated before a boat repair store but i dont think there are any over here.. homedepot and lowes sell em for 29-31 per gallon last time i checked. Bondo is pretty cheap atleast. If i had a good sander and cutting tools id love to do this project..

Being that i dont shell out just 100$ on materials =/

Ive never knew any good ways to mount glassed object to the car though.. besides bolts but sometimes that doesn't always work.

jellyfish420
07-14-2007, 07:58 PM
i used about 1/2-3/4 gal for both doors. they are strong enough that i could lay the panel down and stand on the ring. i only use the air sander on initial sanding, all the rest is hand sanded. carquest wants like $35 a quart. stay away from car stores for the resin ;)

twisztdauthorit
07-14-2007, 08:37 PM
wow i thought it would have been atleast 2 gallons..

how many layers do you have? 2-3?\
carquest = ghey

wish i had an air sander but they require to high cfm and small compressors cant handle that from what i understand.

jellyfish420
07-14-2007, 10:39 PM
2 layers on the 'curvy' parts, and 3-4 on the 'flat' parts. i also have about 1/2 gal of kittyhair on the drivers door, and the rest of the gallon left for the pass door. i don't know what they need...i just know at the shop we have a 500 gal tank @ 175psi ;) i can do whatever i want :)

now that i think about it. (i forgot about the inside of the door) i think i used a little over a gall. maybe 1 1/4 gal

twisztdauthorit
07-15-2007, 01:56 AM
500 gal tank at 175psi?

i didnt know they get that big... dude if that got punctured, you would have one hell of a rocket!

jellyfish420
07-15-2007, 01:04 PM
500 gal tank at 175psi?

i didnt know they get that big... dude if that got punctured, you would have one hell of a rocket!

i work at a tire shop. that tank runs all the hoists, and our tools ;)

jellyfish420
07-18-2007, 09:40 AM
heres the pass door, i got a little work done on it. hope to have it done by this weekend
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/9135/1016744za5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

jmrunz
07-18-2007, 05:35 PM
hey jellyfish, i see you posted your car is a 94. i have a 89 grand prix that is a junker with all the interrior pannels in good shape. was wondering if you might be interrested in some parts if they will interchange. looks like they would. email me at jmrundles@hotmail.com with any questions or interrests.

james

jellyfish420
07-24-2007, 12:55 AM
well i got the pass side door in. its not primered, or even sanded all the way for that matter, as my 18 came in today, and this project is going to the back burner. the silverado tweet is temp till i run my other wires and install my seas tweets. and my poor re 6.5 met the screwdriver :( i'm glad these were just temp till i bought my 7's that i designed the door around. look forward to my 18 box build in the near future ;)
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/615/1016745wn0.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1663/1016750bp3.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1578/1016749at4.jpg

joelowrider
07-26-2007, 12:05 PM
looks great now i want to do my doors

Rawr-DQ
07-26-2007, 01:04 PM
mmmmm

jellyfish420
07-28-2007, 02:42 AM
before clear
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4963/1016781iy8.jpg
after
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2087/1016782yj5.jpg

jellyfish420
07-29-2007, 05:05 PM
well...not to fond of the blue OR the paint job...but here's some pics.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/51/1016783hr9.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2389/1016784ds3.jpg

azbass
07-29-2007, 05:08 PM
interesting.

IamDeMan
07-29-2007, 05:16 PM
The work looks nice. The paint is a little too wow, but the construction is tops.

jellyfish420
07-29-2007, 10:52 PM
ya, its getting redone w/ the green like my dash. the blue didn't go as well as i would have liked. i like the color...it just doesn't belong.

livinlegend
12-26-2007, 08:29 PM
why don't you go for lacquer black or ipod white? the green might look gaudy like the blue but you can bet black will never go out of style

Pull9Gs
12-27-2007, 01:18 PM
Have you got enough leg room there? In the pics it looks like its moving your leg to one side???

SUMrTOY
12-28-2007, 08:13 AM
why don't you go for lacquer black or ipod white? the green might look gaudy like the blue but you can bet black will never go out of style

+1 on the black... But I would do a flat black or a textured black. Nothing in that car is laquered or finished smoothly by the looks of it.

Honestly, the interior of that car is nothing special, just primer it, lay a layer of flat black and be done. Enjoy the tunes. :D