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hempy
06-24-2007, 03:55 AM
Finally started construction on new sub enclosure. I'm using one of the teamquakecelica tc9s until I can find something more suitable for ht duty.
Box is somewhere around 4 cubes, ported at 22 hz with a 4" aero.

Box was designed by eD. Triaxial bracing, doubled panels all around, and a triple downfiring baffle. Top is recessed a bit for use as an endtable. I think I may finish in black granite tile or maybe a laminate or veneer.

Will be powered by a Buttkicker BKA-1004A @ 4 ohms.

Pics sofar...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/IMG_0047.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/IMG_0055.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/IMG_0144.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/untitled.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00479.jpg

1loudsuv
06-24-2007, 05:15 AM
sweet keep us updated

Ps I heard those amps like to catch on fire? their was even a recall on them.

ballstothewall
06-24-2007, 10:32 AM
Big enough speaker wire??

blackbonnie
06-24-2007, 12:36 PM
what size wire are you running there, and is that a 12 or 15?

hempy
06-24-2007, 03:12 PM
sweet keep us updated

Ps I heard those amps like to catch on fire? their was even a recall on them.

Yeah I thoroughly looked into it. I emailed Guitammer and the confirmed that any new units wouldn't be in the batch with bad caps. Although the one that caught on fire wasn't in that serial number range.... hmm....

Either way it's under warranty for a year.




Big enough speaker wire??

Somebody bought me a Raptor 1/0 Kit... So I had to do something with the 4ga...




what size wire are you running there, and is that a 12 or 15?

It's a 12. That was just the wiring I had on it in the car. I'm probably just going to use some 12ga, but I like the fatties.

hempy
06-25-2007, 10:04 PM
Fruits of my labor for today:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00481.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00482.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00483.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00485.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00484.jpg


There are a few ****ups on the bracing, so I may fill the holes with glue/sawdust mix. These were my first routered cuts, apart from a driver hole every now and again. I think they turned out pretty good.

I'll try to get some actual pictures in the future.

ballstothewall
06-26-2007, 09:05 AM
Its the bracing, no-one is going to see it. A messed up hole or three isn't going to matter.

hempy
06-29-2007, 04:46 AM
More pics...

This time with an actual camera...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5443.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5444.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5445.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5446.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5447.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5448.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5451.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5453.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5454.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5456.jpg

hempy
06-29-2007, 04:46 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5457.jpg
So apparently one of our cats thought that this particular piece was his.
Grrr.....
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5459.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5460.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5461.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5462.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5469.jpg
Spread this with a credit card...and thought it looked pretty cool.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/114_5470.jpg
Forest of clamps.

thylantyr
06-29-2007, 11:08 AM
Looks good, you be kicking butt soon.

ballstothewall
06-29-2007, 11:13 AM
Finally, someone else that knows how to use clamps. :)

jdawg
06-29-2007, 11:16 AM
shouldnt you have more than 1 4" aero? Wont that make some port noise?

hempy
06-29-2007, 02:42 PM
Finally, someone else that knows how to use clamps. :)

I love them. They each weigh about 10 lbs and are about 50 yrs old, but they're a hell of a lot better than anything I can afford now. Especially those ****ing trigger clamps. I break one every time I make a box...


shouldnt you have more than 1 4" aero? Wont that make some port noise?

I asked about that, but the designer told me it'd be fine. I think using two would make the port length impractical within the size constraints.

thylantyr
06-29-2007, 04:01 PM
I asked about that, but the designer told me it'd be fine.
Who is the mystery person? At higher SPL, two 4" is nice or one 6".

You can model this in WinISD and check the port noise. Perhaps double
check his design or at least post your woofers T/S here so we can double check.

hempy
06-29-2007, 06:18 PM
I asked about that, but the designer told me it'd be fine.
Who is the mystery person? At higher SPL, two 4" is nice or one 6".

You can model this in WinISD and check the port noise. Perhaps double
check his design or at least post your woofers T/S here so we can double check.

:p: No mystery, really... just Chris (mandos) @ eD

I had it in a ****** prefab up until a week ago that was tuned really high for ht and had even less port area (around 9^2 in) and it sounded fine to me. No 20hz rumble, but sounded good with music and my xbox.

I would post the t/s specs, but I'd like to keep my dignity. :) The response curve looks horrendous, and it's about the worst sub I caould use for ht, but I have to wait until I can switch it out. I chose the size and tuning however, so that it'll work with the replacement. Probably a rl-p or tc-2/3000.

thylantyr
06-29-2007, 08:11 PM
Keep moving forward and fire up the beast.

adio
06-29-2007, 08:31 PM
:p: No mystery, really... just Chris (mandos) @ eD

I had it in a ****** prefab up until a week ago that was tuned really high for ht and had even less port area (around 9^2 in) and it sounded fine to me. No 20hz rumble, but sounded good with music and my xbox.

I would post the t/s specs, but I'd like to keep my dignity. :) The response curve looks horrendous, and it's about the worst sub I caould use for ht, but I have to wait until I can switch it out. I chose the size and tuning however, so that it'll work with the replacement. Probably a rl-p or tc-2/3000.

take pics of how the sub is hooked up to the amp. i read the directions on buttkickers website, but i'm still not catchin it:confused:

hempy
06-29-2007, 10:30 PM
take pics of how the sub is hooked up to the amp. i read the directions on buttkickers website, but i'm still not catchin it:confused:

Now I'm confused...

Back of Buttkicker:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/IMG_0053.jpg

Sub is dual 2, so I wire in parallel for a 4 ohm load.

Sorry no pics, but the sub's chilling in my garage atm.

thylantyr
06-29-2007, 11:28 PM
Dual voice coil woofer, each coil is 2 ohms;

Parallel wired coils: 1 ohm
Series wired coils: 4 ohms

adio
07-01-2007, 02:56 AM
nvm........... the sub connects to the red and black terminals, and then the low level input connects to the 'sub out' on the back of ur receiver. got it

hempy
07-17-2007, 11:15 PM
Finally got my roundover bit today. Then found a 1/2" collet router at Harbor Freight for 40 bucks, so I got it.

And holy crap that was a lot of sawdust. I needed the respirator; the dust mask just wasn't going to make it.

Now I can finally start sanding... this one's gonna need a lot of bondo.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5686.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5687.jpg

Jared530
07-19-2007, 07:34 PM
nice, hope it slumps

hempy
07-31-2007, 03:26 AM
Decided against veneer because of the fear of the poly cracking on the corners, plus veneer is expensive, so I went with the melamine facing that Partsexpress sells. I got it in today; doesn't look that bad... it'll match the rest of my particleboard furniture. :) And if I grow to hate it I can just tear it off down the road. Hopefully.

But then I open the box, and notice two very prominent cracks every foot or so, one staright and another round. The box has a cutout to show the pattern underneath, so I'm guessing it got stepped on. I called PE and they're gonna send out another (sweet), and I get to just throw away (keep) the other one. I may use it for some smaller low-budget home audio projects.

#1
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0692.jpg

#2
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0694.jpg

At least they're pictures. Everyone loves pictures.

joetama
07-31-2007, 08:41 PM
Looks like you have a big crack in the roll there...

hempy
07-31-2007, 08:50 PM
Looks like you have a big crack in the roll there...

I see a big crack in your avatar, sir...

joetama
07-31-2007, 10:14 PM
I see a big crack in your avatar, sir...

Like that do ya?

hempy
07-31-2007, 10:54 PM
Like that do ya?

Not at all, but I can't seem to stop staring at it. It's like I'm just waiting for some **** to go down.

hempy
08-23-2007, 04:57 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0018-1.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0019.jpg

:Drool:

1loudsuv
08-23-2007, 05:42 PM
tc 10" oem sweet!!



more pix of the sub or finished product now or else! lol

hempy
08-23-2007, 05:53 PM
tc 10" oem sweet!!



more pix of the sub or finished product now or else! lol

12 actually... I really like the paper cone. I'm a sucker for plain woofers.

I'm still working on the box... I have to figure out where I want the seam for the melamine to be. I was going to have it on the back w/ the port... but since the whole Buttkicker power issues came up, I'm not sure if I want to add a plate amp into the box eventually... in which case I'd have to turn it around to have the port face out, and I don't really want a seam visible...

negativezeroz
08-23-2007, 06:35 PM
bump for amp I almost bought from another member on here but found a nice deal on a JBL powered sub (my dorm room is 10'x10' so I don't need 1000W+)

1loudsuv
08-23-2007, 08:10 PM
bump for amp I almost bought from another member on here but found a nice deal on a JBL powered sub (my dorm room is 10'x10' so I don't need 1000W+)

It does about 700 watts at like 18% thd lol

how much power rms wise does that tc handle?

hempy
08-23-2007, 08:13 PM
It does about 700 watts at like 18% thd lol

how much power rms wise does that tc handle?

1200. Before I knew the truth it was a perfect match.... I think I'll be getting a 1300w ed plate amp for it.

joetama
08-23-2007, 08:14 PM
So negative you are... ;)

negativezeroz
08-23-2007, 08:37 PM
am what...

hempy
09-03-2007, 02:11 PM
So this weekend allowed me some time to work... but setbacks basically killed any progress. Had to drum-sand about 1/4 off of the mounting hole just to get the new driver to fit. Then after numerous attempts, I determined there was no way to use the t-nuts that were already glued into the baffle... So I knocked them out and decided to add some 2"x2" plywood blocks so I can just use regular screws. I'm not about to go through this whole build just to have a t-nut get knocked down into the box at the last minute.... while it's finished sitting in my apartment.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00520.jpg

Buuut... while testing said t-nuts I determined that the oem would officially look ****** inverted...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00518.jpg

I got lucky with the mounting depth too. Any opinions on whether or not the pole vent is ok with the piece right behind it?

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00519.jpg

bamaboy
09-03-2007, 02:42 PM
looks nice man

Pull9Gs
09-03-2007, 09:02 PM
Nice baffling, how do you go about designing that? Or is it just strengthening in the middle with as much cut away to allow for air flow?

Looks sick inverted.:)
And clamps: why cant you buy decent ones anymore? I am looking for a load of sash cramps like you have for box building, but cant find any, these plastic things drive me nuts :verymad::verymad:

joetama
09-03-2007, 09:19 PM
Looks nice man...

hempy
09-03-2007, 09:41 PM
Nice baffling, how do you go about designing that? Or is it just strengthening in the middle with as much cut away to allow for air flow?

Looks sick inverted.:)
And clamps: why cant you buy decent ones anymore? I am looking for a load of sash cramps like you have for box building, but cant find any, these plastic things drive me nuts :verymad::verymad:

Based on the prices of crappy clamps, I'd say solid iron (steel? dunno...) ones like my grandfather lends me would probably be totally impractical to buy.

I think the square tube alumnium clamps (the ones with the blue ends) that Harbor Freight/etc. carries should do ok. You're kind of limited by length though.

Oh, and you could always use the round bar clamp ends. Then you can buy your own desired length pipe and as long as the clamp will bite into the pipe, they can put about the same clamping pressure as the cast ones.

ballstothewall
09-03-2007, 10:03 PM
And clamps: why cant you buy decent ones anymore? I am looking for a load of sash cramps like you have for box building, but cant find any, these plastic things drive me nuts :verymad::verymad:

Find the clamp ends that are made for 3/4" pipe, the are 10-15 bucks a set, then you buy the pipe and cut it to whatever length you want. Works excellent. Even better if you thread the ends of the pipe and buy a couple couplers so if you need a longer clamp you thread a couple more pieces together and voila, a longer clamp.

negativezeroz
09-04-2007, 06:57 PM
Wow so I just got my Venue SUB12. 250W is way more than I need but ****. Finally. Some depth and nice bass. Doesn't go as low as I'd really like but for $230 shipped, I ain't complaining. And running off a POS receiver too.

1loudsuv
09-04-2007, 07:10 PM
Wow so I just got my Venue SUB12. 250W is way more than I need but ****. Finally. Some depth and nice bass. Doesn't go as low as I'd really like but for $230 shipped, I ain't complaining. And running off a POS receiver too.

low low bass adds allot to a movie in the special affects scenes.

negativezeroz
09-04-2007, 07:31 PM
low low bass adds allot to a movie in the special affects scenes.
Yes, but this is only for music. So if I ever need more, I'll just get another one or two.

joetama
09-04-2007, 07:44 PM
JBL huh...

How much did you pay for it?

negativezeroz
09-04-2007, 07:54 PM
JBL huh...

How much did you pay for it?

I'm always going to rock Harman products. My uncle used to sell JBL back in the 70s and 80s. He's still got his old 212 floorstanding speakers from the late 60's. Still sound fu(king amazing.

I paid $230 shipped BNIB.

At my house, we've got some old L1 bookshelf fronts. They are amazing. Especially for their age.


Sure, it's no SVS or Paradigm, (or similar)..too many to name, but it gets the job done for me.

joetama
09-04-2007, 07:57 PM
Right on...

Just curious...

negativezeroz
09-04-2007, 08:13 PM
:)

My room is only like 8x10 so yeah. lol

joetama
09-04-2007, 08:58 PM
It should be fine for that room then...

uncfanforlife07
09-04-2007, 09:05 PM
i wanna do a set up for my dorm room just to use to listen to music but I want alot more bass than most of the computer speakers offer (jbl, logitech, etc). anyway I can do something that will hook up to my computer?

negativezeroz
09-04-2007, 09:28 PM
i wanna do a set up for my dorm room just to use to listen to music but I want alot more bass than most of the computer speakers offer (jbl, logitech, etc). anyway I can do something that will hook up to my computer?

So many threads about this..getting ridiculous.


Do you have any form of stereo? If so, is it a mini system? or is it a HT type as in seperate components? Budget?

PM me.

hempy
09-07-2007, 12:52 AM
Ok, so I hooked it up tonight for testing... still in the garage, on sawhorses, with the port taped together and held in at the end. Driver inverted, with no screws. I ran it off of my bp600.1.

Um.... wow. It only had about 300w on tap and this thing rocked. Phil Collins filled the whole garage. And it's actually larger than the living space I'll have it in. I think I'm going to get evicted. I let up on the port once and it basically ripped it back into pieces. Lots of air movement in the port... hopefully i won't have any turbulence problems.

PV Audio
09-07-2007, 11:10 PM
Inverted subwoofer in a HT enclosure? :(

ballstothewall
09-08-2007, 12:40 AM
Inverted subwoofer in a HT enclosure? :(

I can't remember who over on CSo has an inverted sub enclosure with a couple of PR's that looks downright *******.

hempy
09-08-2007, 02:05 AM
Inverted subwoofer in a HT enclosure? :(

No terminals right now, so I had to get it wired up. Plus the thing is a total ***** to get into its 1.5" recessed hole. And the inside is kinda dirty since my shopvac died, and I don't want anything getting into the exposed gap.

I did get a good bit of bondo work done though. Corners are starting too look pretty good.

PV Audio
09-09-2007, 11:37 AM
No terminals right now, so I had to get it wired up. Plus the thing is a total ***** to get into its 1.5" recessed hole. And the inside is kinda dirty since my shopvac died, and I don't want anything getting into the exposed gap.

I did get a good bit of bondo work done though. Corners are starting too look pretty good.You know I'm just breakin your balls; I'm a sucker for low key. :D

hempy
09-10-2007, 01:58 AM
It seems I'm actaully getting somewhere now. I think it took getting the bondo out.

I cleaned up all the imperfections, which took about a dozen different batches. Once that was done and I had cleaned up all the dust I started on the laminate. It takes the corners well enough, but getting the material directly adjacent to the corners will be interesting... I can heat it up but once its hot enough to melt I take it off and it bulges back out... I may have to keep it on and turn the iron off so it cools while being pressed flat.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00523.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00524.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00525.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00532.jpg

joetama
09-10-2007, 10:21 AM
Sounds like you are heating it too much...

hempy
09-10-2007, 10:31 PM
Found a way to get the spots next to the roundovers... I just irons small spots then hold them down with a body dolly. Seems to just **** the heat out too, so it cools pretty quickly.

Now I just have to cut the seam. I have both layer overlapping, so I may have some semblance of a clean, straight seam.Cutting this stuff is tricky though. Even with a fresh razor blade. Hopefully I won't **** it up at this point.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/DSC00533.jpg

joetama
09-11-2007, 10:48 AM
If you get a set of knives used to cut carpet. I have found they work good for cutting that crap...

hempy
09-11-2007, 12:24 PM
If you get a set of knives used to cut carpet. I have found they work good for cutting that crap...

Do you mean the ones with the hook-like blade?

joetama
09-11-2007, 05:52 PM
Do you mean the ones with the hook-like blade?

YES...

hempy
09-13-2007, 10:56 PM
I'm getting close... Got everything trimmed around the edges, then realized I had to come up with a way to trim the laminate around the routered port recess. I had to find something with an 1/8" bearing... So I finally found a flute-style trimmer bit and ground it down to 1/8". Grinding carbide is not fun... where are all the cheap bits when you need them?

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0051.jpg

Finally got it cleaned up, then I masked it off and sprayed the inside so I wouldn't see any wood around the port.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0044.jpg

After that I got the lip leftover from the trimmer bit with the sander, so I can lay the black laminate flush over it.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0052.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0055.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0057.jpg

1loudsuv
09-13-2007, 11:00 PM
Wow that came out REALLY nice!

hempy
09-15-2007, 01:29 AM
Well I went to home depot today and the black laminate that I originally 2'x2' was actually 2'x4' [just what I needed], so that saved me about 14 bucks, and allowed me to get the contact cement with it for under 20 bucks.

I cut it in half (total *****) and routed out the hole for the driver for the bottom piece. I figure I'd do the bottom first in case I **** up. I was worried about getting it stuck in the wrong place, not having enough glue, having too much resulting in it gooshing out th sides, etc. Well I did it and it worked out perfectly. Perfectly lined up, no goosh. And it's really on there.... not going anywhere.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5827.jpg

Also got the holes on the precision port countersunk so there wont be any ugly screws sticking out on the flush port mouth.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5823.jpg



I think I may be done this weekend... yay. Actually....wait... no... I still have to get the binding posts in from Madisound.

I wonder if I should line the walls with sheet poly? Maybe egg crate? It's not going to be one of those test and retest situations... once the driver's in it's in. :p

1loudsuv
09-15-2007, 02:08 AM
I tried lining mine with polyfil and almost lost 2 dbs from 25 hertz and up.. and didn't gain anything below it. I built mine as efficient as possible with all the known spl tricks but it still sounds very good, I dunno if anything I did to mine raised thd somehow but I really don't care it sounds awesome either way.

joetama
09-15-2007, 10:33 AM
I would say put a little poly in for deadening but not too much.

Putting too much will make the driver cavity act bigger than it actually is... :fyi:

hempy
09-15-2007, 11:02 PM
Trimmed...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5829.jpg



And painted...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5828.jpg



I still have:

Sanding edge of bottom laminate
Tape/glue/trim/sand top laminate
Pilot holes for port mouth
Glue/assemble/install port
Floor spikes
Binding posts
Transportation (Going to ****)
Wiring/Installation
Eviction

joetama
09-16-2007, 06:46 PM
Well why are you posting?

Get it finished!!!

hempy
09-16-2007, 11:54 PM
With the work I did tonight, I'm pretty much done and ready to bring it to my apartment. I trimmed the top laminate, glued up the port and screwed it down (its actually much stiffer in place than I thought it would be), and drilled the holes for the binding posts.Then I cleaned out the box (which took forever) to keep the coil clean.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5832.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5834.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/124_5839.jpg

joetama
09-17-2007, 09:41 AM
Well done... Well done...

docutech
09-17-2007, 10:51 AM
That is nice! Good craftsmanship!

joetama
09-17-2007, 10:52 AM
How are you going to point the port in room?

hempy
09-17-2007, 11:13 AM
How are you going to point the port in room?

I'm probably going to try a few different directions, but if it's too much trouble I will probably just port into the room.

joetama
09-17-2007, 11:17 AM
Werd....

1loudsuv
09-17-2007, 12:21 PM
IMO the seem for the finish should of been on the side of the port unless you really plan on facing the port to the room which you said you are thinking of doing.

joetama
09-17-2007, 12:53 PM
Haten again?

1loudsuv
09-17-2007, 02:19 PM
Haten again?

No just a suggestion for next time, I took some suggestions on how to improve my sub and have applied them to my box.

suggestions and hating are two completely different things. Now if I would of said that sub ***** that is hating but I did say in a previous post "wow that came out Really nice"

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3400514&postcount=64

Ha you learned the difference between hating and suggestive comments today. :laugh: Next time ill teach you how to build a subwoofer box or maybe the OP can ;)

joetama
09-17-2007, 02:33 PM
LAWL @ you....

hempy
09-17-2007, 03:38 PM
Seam was originally planned for the port side, but I plan on adding an lt1300 to it eventually and it wouldnt fit on the port side.

joetama
09-17-2007, 04:02 PM
You should put some sweet logo/design on the top of it...

hempy
09-17-2007, 04:42 PM
Hmm.... I was thinking about just topping with a frosty beer... but that does sound interesting.

joetama
09-17-2007, 07:08 PM
Beer would be just as good... :laugh:

hempy
09-20-2007, 01:24 AM
Beginning the install process:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0087.jpg

And she's in!

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0089.jpg

Another side view while moving into position:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0090.jpg

And in place!

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/hempness/0091.jpg


I still have yet to give it power... A little too late. But tomorrow I'll hopefully get some suitable wire for it, and I'll get her fired up.

The sheer density of it quite apparent... Bumping into it is not a pleasant experience.

hempy
04-03-2008, 08:19 PM
So what do you guys think this ***** would be worth? I can't find a way to keep it cleanly installed with the new tv going onto the wall, and I'd love some extra cash right now.

I think I'm going to have to list on Craigslist due to the sheer weight of it, but I'm really worried about how to deal with offers. I don't really want random creepos showing up at my house.

adio
04-03-2008, 11:00 PM
So what do you guys think this ***** would be worth? I can't find a way to keep it cleanly installed with the new tv going onto the wall, and I'd love some extra cash right now.

I think I'm going to have to list on Craigslist due to the sheer weight of it, but I'm really worried about how to deal with offers. I don't really want random creepos showing up at my house.

:laugh: