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BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 01:13 PM
this will be very long to show everyone exactly what happened and the final outcome..

first let me reference a thread on realm of excursion where the majority of the debate went down:

http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/showthread.php?t=29291

as time goes on the thread may be locked, deleted, pictures may not show up.. who knows but right now everything is in place and can be referenced.

let me begin by saying that in sept. of 2006 i had Team Nutz in Pittsburgh, PA do some work for me. i bought two RE Audio SX 12" subs, a US Amps AX1500DE from them and i had them build the box, and install everything. everything went great.. until now.

i had called them to get a quote for 1 18" RE XXX. they quoted me at almost full MSRP ($2,000+). i found it cheaper elsewhere with a warranty included, so i went with the other company instead of them.

i had set up an appointment with them to build me a box (6 cubes @ 35 hz, as RE recommends) and to install a new car battery along with run the wiring to the amp and what not.

first, i was going to put 1,500 watts (ax 1500 de) to the XXX (2,000 W RMS) which both RE and US amps said was plenty, but 2,000 was preferred as its a 2,000 W sub. they assured me 1,500 was fine but if i wanted the full potential of the sub to get a 2,000W (which would of only been what a 3 db increase at most?)

anyway. they built the box, did the install but i was called and informed that "i had no bass. the sub was barely moving" and to me, this was suspicious because at 1,500 watts that thing should be killing the lows and whatnot. anyway i come down, my car was out of the shop, i paid, was told the owner was busy and handed my keys and had really no choice but to leave. i turned the system up, and even at volume 50 (max is 80 on my hu) i had little to no bass.

i at that point was told by team nutz that i needed "more power" to produce any bass what so ever. the owner told me that greg @ us amps said that i need a MINIMUM of 3,000 watts just to have ANY bass what so ever and/or to get the sub to work IN GENERAL. i immediately powered off the HU and kept it off until i made my way back down there to have them check the wiring on the sub.

magically, after them re-doing the wiring in front of me, the bass output increased 10 fold and i had bass. the owner admitted to me it was probably wired backwards or wrong.

people at ROE said the sub was probably out of phase, and that they wired it incorrectly originally, which WAS the issue. from literally no bass to having about 120-140db.. um HUGE DIFFERENCE.

anyway, upon speaking with RE and many other techs i was told that it was wired wrong and it could have possiblity damaged the sub and to get it returned anyway. team nutz' owner told me both voice coils were reading at 2.6, when they should be at 2.1. which wasn't surprising, as when they first installed it he said he "smelled a burning smell and turned it off".

keep in mind this is all available over at ROE in the thread that goes on for 20+ pages..

anyway the owner decided to come on ROE and 'defend' his bad install saying that 1,500 wasnt enough power to have ANY bass what so ever from the sub. he denied wiring it wrong and still won't admit that there was any difference in volume or sq coming from the sub (which.. going from where my rear view wasnt even vibrating to shaking the wall and having customers say holy ****.. yeah HUGE difference)

bottom line is this shop did a shotty install and won't admit up to the mistakes. they also did a crappy ground, which i RE DID and it eliminated almost all problems with the sub (aside from the fact that the vc's still might be damaged).

the owner told me to have the sub warranty replaced and that he cant help me. not even a refund on the install, no apology, nothing. he didn't even review the install with me until i came back complaining.

i will never shop at this place again, and i suggest anyone who knows their **** about car audio / subs do NOT bring your car there.

again this goes more in depth over at ROE, as i don't want to repeat myself 10 fold.

if i didn't have a warranty i might have been screwed out of a two thousand dollar subwoofer.

Twistid
06-23-2007, 01:19 PM
crappy shop! burn the place down!

http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/w/wa/wagg66/176970_burn_it_down.jpg

tEh koRnDog
06-23-2007, 01:19 PM
you like man nutz

Nutz
06-23-2007, 01:29 PM
I highly recommend a seased and desist, as for this is being forward onto my attory for Slander.

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 01:29 PM
you like man nutz

we can all see whats on YOUR mind..

point is, i was screwed and the bottom line is:

$ > customer

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 01:31 PM
slander? LMAO. good luck with that case buddy, i have 20+ pages of proof to show otherwise.

and this is a REVIEW forum, i REVIEWED your install and you screwed it up, what else is there to say.

and it's cease and desist by the way.

the day freedom of speech is against the law is the day i die. i did nothing but speak the truth and exactly what happened to my vehicle. i made no comments about you or your shop except the fact that they screwed up the install. you are a business. just because my review of your install isn't a positive one doesn't constitute a slander case.

good luck, you'll be spending thousands for no reason.

Twistid
06-23-2007, 01:44 PM
what nuts did was wrong, and now that its posted on a site visited by thousands a day and one of the largest online car audio forums there is , hes crying about it

MAN UP and admit what you did was wrong! :suicide:

Nutz
06-23-2007, 01:46 PM
Anyone that is reading this can find the Truth about Team Nutz at www.teamnutztechnology.com

Our resume speaks for its self, don't let one bad apple try to ruin the reputation for a long time awarded business. If the customer would have listened to our recommendations in the first place he would not be in this situation.

Thank you.....

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 01:52 PM
again, using his "500 awards" defense to defend a bad install on my vehicle.

just because you have awards doesn't make you invincible to mistakes, FYI.

they made a mistake, i have witnesses, i told the truth i have nothing to worry about. and as far as a lawsuit or lawyers are concerned, do what you need to do i got my defense ready and waiting and i WILL win because a slander case will not hold unless i lied to damage your reputation. you wired my equipment incorrectly, now you must deal with the consequences.

DumpinTreos
06-23-2007, 02:05 PM
What was your recommendation to pay retail for the XXX? BTW I think that ground is funny thats something I did on my very first install w/o knowing anything about car audio. We all make mistakes bro but if your installs are so excellent then how come this one is messed up these seem like some noob mistakes, maybe he was mad that he bought the sub at another shop are my thoughts.

Thieroff
06-23-2007, 02:15 PM
Haha, I see those Team Nutz cars all over the place.


I don't mess with shops though, I do all my own installs.


CT

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 02:16 PM
Haha, I see those Team Nutz cars all over the place.


I don't mess with shops though, I do all my own installs.


CT

mainly because its one of two options around here.

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 02:17 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15817955/

bonesninja
06-23-2007, 02:28 PM
I highly recommend a seased and desist, as for this is being forward onto my attory for Slander.

STFU....if you can't even spell correctly, what makes you think you should own a shop?


good luck with your attory

Thieroff
06-23-2007, 02:30 PM
mainly because its one of two options around here.


Install on your own.


You living down in Castle Shannon/Bethel area?


CT

Twistid
06-23-2007, 02:30 PM
nutz is a straight *****, him or his workers ****ed up an install and wont accept it...

typical of ****** shops, a GOOD shop would admit their error and correct it! how suprising he would rather threaten a bullshit lawsuit!

Nutz
06-23-2007, 03:21 PM
Does matter where he bought the sub, We were paid to build a box, replace a battery under the hood and take a speaker wire and put it on a sub.

This kid reads online that everything in its mother is wrong, from people across the country and things all of a sudden he knows what he is talking about. If he is so smart why didn't he install it himself. Why did the sub play the first time, Why did the sub play the same the second time.

Doesn't matter, his opinion against mine. He thinks we are bad installers, I think he is a bad listener. When I recommend to keep the upgraded alternator and not take it out you and he does it anyway, his voltage dropped. He didn't listen to me.

The ground wire has nothing to do with the sub. Its the same ground wire in the car since august that he admits worked great for eight months.

Now all of a sudden its wired wrong. Sorry, can't agree from a person that goes his short education from a bunch of forum that have people that just want to bash and call me names. Its childish.

We installed the sub once, Installed it again to make sure that it was correct. It left the shop correct, he himself was happy end of store. No need to bash us for trying to keep good customer service.

You can't make everyone help even if you spent a million hours on the car and it was perfect. The customer is just looking for an excuse to justify his decision to go against our recommendations. When in fact our there may be damage to the sub because he chose to listen to uneducated individuals other then ourselves this is what happens and this is what shop managers and owners have to deal with day in and day out. The car worked when it left, was recommended not to use. Our fault for touching the car in the first place I guess. There were wrong.

Our awards to not say anything other than we have a history of winning national awards that most have not. Were not the best, were not the worst, but we have been around the block for sometime and know what were talking about here.

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 03:44 PM
Does matter where he bought the sub, We were paid to build a box, replace a battery under the hood and take a speaker wire and put it on a sub.

This kid reads online that everything in its mother is wrong, from people across the country and things all of a sudden he knows what he is talking about. If he is so smart why didn't he install it himself. Why did the sub play the first time, Why did the sub play the same the second time.

Doesn't matter, his opinion against mine. He thinks we are bad installers, I think he is a bad listener. When I recommend to keep the upgraded alternator and not take it out you and he does it anyway, his voltage dropped. He didn't listen to me.

The ground wire has nothing to do with the sub. Its the same ground wire in the car since august that he admits worked great for eight months.

Now all of a sudden its wired wrong. Sorry, can't agree from a person that goes his short education from a bunch of forum that have people that just want to bash and call me names. Its childish.

We installed the sub once, Installed it again to make sure that it was correct. It left the shop correct, he himself was happy end of store. No need to bash us for trying to keep good customer service.

You can't make everyone help even if you spent a million hours on the car and it was perfect. The customer is just looking for an excuse to justify his decision to go against our recommendations. When in fact our there may be damage to the sub because he chose to listen to uneducated individuals other then ourselves this is what happens and this is what shop managers and owners have to deal with day in and day out. The car worked when it left, was recommended not to use. Our fault for touching the car in the first place I guess. There were wrong.

Our awards to not say anything other than we have a history of winning national awards that most have not. Were not the best, were not the worst, but we have been around the block for sometime and know what were talking about here.

lmao, you just literally lied you *** off.

first, i have no clue how the ground was before i got there, as in your own words "i didnt double check it".

i dont know where this confusion in your head is ed. you didn't wire it properly, so it didnt play properly and you even told me "we smelled a burning smell coming from the sub". what kind of **** is that? you should of immediately took it out and checked it, but no you were too busy, i was handed my keys and that was that.

i came back complaining, and you guys re-wired the sub apparently the correct way this time, and oh magic i have bass! how are you going to sit here and explain to car enthusiasts that the first time you set it up.. no bass... the second time you re-wire it with me present.. OH BASS! YOU WIRED IT WRONG. my god dude, get over yourself and your company.

i could care less if you were west coast customs themselves, fact of the matter is is you are disguising the truth, i spoke the truth now you got your ******* in a bunch.

putting 1,500W on a 2,000W sub will not damage it if setup correctly. you shouldn't be installing subs if you believe it will damage it.

i have enough knowledge to get me by and thats it, and you calling me stupid can technically be considered slander under your own standards. should i sue you now too?

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 03:48 PM
and also, explain to me how i'm a bad listener because i didnt want to put 3,000 watts on the XXX (2,000 watts)?

we're ALL still waiting for the explanation on that one.

and also, you are again degrading people who post on forums. most of these guys have knowledge WAY past yours. just because they didnt open a shop and put subs and rims on a truck doesn't make their information non-credible.

the guys on ROE proved you wrong 10 times over on many issues, and you still skirted the issues and lied and lied and lied. that's not my problem.

you already lost a customer, and you will continue to lose customers if you install any more cars like you did mine.

bonesninja
06-23-2007, 03:55 PM
personally.....i'm more apt to give my money to a shop that can admit and fix when they've done wrong than one who claims that they never make a mistake. EVERY shop makes mistakes....its how you handle the situation that defines a REAL shop.

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 03:56 PM
and let me repeat;

throw out whatever story you want nuttie, i have pictures AND VIDEOS to prove the statements i make - you don't.

you have lied multiple times to get around admitting that you screwed up.

quit defending yourself, theres no point, the evidence lies over at realm of excursion, anyone who has any doubt about what i say - READ THE THREAD on ROE (the one titled 07 XXX - 1500 watts dont do ****)

read for yourself and watch how ed handled the matter.

i have yet to receive a "we're sorry man, how can we help?"

which should of been done THE SECOND that sub didn't play properly.

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 03:57 PM
personally.....i'm more apt to give my money to a shop that can admit and fix when they've done wrong than one who claims that they never make a mistake. EVERY shop makes mistakes....its how you handle the situation that defines a REAL shop.

:applause:

StealthKill
06-23-2007, 04:09 PM
personally.....i'm more apt to give my money to a shop that can admit and fix when they've done wrong than one who claims that they never make a mistake. EVERY shop makes mistakes....its how you handle the situation that defines a REAL shop.

x2, They admit they ****ed up, say sorry and maybe offer something for free if its a nice guy. Then they would hold my business, but just the name team nutz would make me wonder.:rolleyes:

pwnt by pat
06-23-2007, 04:29 PM
He definitely didn't handle things right on his end, but neither did you.

You should have called him up, told him things don't sound right, and ask him to double check everything. Sure you can go online and look for things to test, but the truth is they did the install and they should be responsible for all testing and verifying.

If he told you not to do something and you did it anyway, you're at fault for that. I PERSONALLY have lost equipment to friends because of that. "Do not turn the bass boost up", blown woofer.


What should have happened is you take the vehicle back and they install the 3000w amp. If the sub fails and everything is still how it was set, then they should cover it.


On a side not, it's just like the computer industry. I work at a PC shop in Zelie. The thing that frustrates me the most is when someone who obviously knows very little about PCs goes online, gets information, and trys to tell me either I messed up or I'm not doing things right. Granted, I don't take the shortcuts like their grounding, but still I know what I'm doing and I admit when I made a mistake. But to have a customer argue with me when they themselves don't know is very testing.

BreakingBad
06-23-2007, 04:49 PM
He definitely didn't handle things right on his end, but neither did you.

You should have called him up, told him things don't sound right, and ask him to double check everything. Sure you can go online and look for things to test, but the truth is they did the install and they should be responsible for all testing and verifying.

If he told you not to do something and you did it anyway, you're at fault for that. I PERSONALLY have lost equipment to friends because of that. "Do not turn the bass boost up", blown woofer.


What should have happened is you take the vehicle back and they install the 3000w amp. If the sub fails and everything is still how it was set, then they should cover it.


On a side not, it's just like the computer industry. I work at a PC shop in Zelie. The thing that frustrates me the most is when someone who obviously knows very little about PCs goes online, gets information, and trys to tell me either I messed up or I'm not doing things right. Granted, I don't take the shortcuts like their grounding, but still I know what I'm doing and I admit when I made a mistake. But to have a customer argue with me when they themselves don't know is very testing.

what are you missing? i did take my car back the very next day for them to look at it.

also, if you know anything about subs, why do you agree putting 3,000 watts to a recommended 2,000 watt sub?

and for the simple fact that i didnt buy the sub there, if i bought a 3,000 watt amp and put it to the sub and blew the sub, even though its their fault they would of done the same thing they are doing now.

trust me, i work with computers for a living i know what you're talking about. but i ask questions rather than inform them that 'i know better'. i ask. i analyze. nothing wrong with that.

tprj82
06-23-2007, 09:48 PM
why are you buying a almost 2000$ sub and cant build a box for it? ive met the nutz guys and shows and having nothing but respect for them

so let me get this right he admitted to you that he was wrong and you were bad mouthing him over the internet and you want him to say he was wrong there, he told you he was wrong let it be, and usually when a sub starts going in my cases the impedences goes down till the coil blows and then its a dead short, and if your smelling the sub good chance your clipping cause you dont have enough power on the sub so your over compansating with going up a little more, and if thats not it maybe you just have a sub that smells, my l7's i had before always smelled a little bit and so did my friends

Twistid
06-23-2007, 10:08 PM
they did the install, therefore they set the gains , also the sub is now rubbing/scratching...

just a :fyi: if you read the RoE topic

pwnt by pat
06-24-2007, 12:51 AM
What I mean is as an unsatisfied, paying customer, you shouldn't do anything to remedy the situation but ask questions. You took diagnosing in to your own hands and from the sounds of it, argued with the installer who was helping you.

BigOso
06-24-2007, 01:00 AM
Doesn't it seem a little ironic that the 2x Street Max Deathmatch winner Team Nutz can't correctly wire a sub?

mike dressure
06-24-2007, 01:19 AM
these are the reason's i do all my install's! i dont trust shop's or anyone for that matter to do anything with my audio equipment! i suggest you learn how to do your own install's so you dont run into this situation

BreakingBad
06-24-2007, 05:03 AM
"why are you buying a almost 2000$ sub and cant build a box for it? ive met the nutz guys and shows and having nothing but respect for them

so let me get this right he admitted to you that he was wrong and you were bad mouthing him over the internet and you want him to say he was wrong there, he told you he was wrong let it be, and usually when a sub starts going in my cases the impedences goes down till the coil blows and then its a dead short, and if your smelling the sub good chance your clipping cause you dont have enough power on the sub so your over compansating with going up a little more, and if thats not it maybe you just have a sub that smells, my l7's i had before always smelled a little bit and so did my friends"

first, i don't have time to build a box which is why i had a shop do it.

thats the problem. they wired the sub wrong and WOULDNT admit it. he still wont. bad mouthing? so... let me get this straight.. they **** up my install.. i get pissed... and its turned around as me "bad mouthing" them on the internet.. PLEASE.. this is a review forum, learn to read.

if the sub is going, its nothing but team nutz's fault. simple as that. just because you like team nutz or ed doesn't change the fact that they ****ed up and wont admit it.

BreakingBad
06-24-2007, 05:06 AM
What I mean is as an unsatisfied, paying customer, you shouldn't do anything to remedy the situation but ask questions. You took diagnosing in to your own hands and from the sounds of it, argued with the installer who was helping you.

i tried that.

i had no choice but to take diagnosing into my own hands. i cant trust someone after they **** something up and tell me they didn't 10 minutes later. dude i literally had NO BASS, they re-wire it in front of me and ohh magic i had bass. then he sits there and tells me "i couldnt tell a difference".. i went from no bass to shaking their shop in a day and he tells me he couldnt tell a difference. LMFAO what a tool.

tprj82
06-24-2007, 09:48 AM
"why are you buying a almost 2000$ sub and cant build a box for it? ive met the nutz guys and shows and having nothing but respect for them

so let me get this right he admitted to you that he was wrong and you were bad mouthing him over the internet and you want him to say he was wrong there, he told you he was wrong let it be, and usually when a sub starts going in my cases the impedences goes down till the coil blows and then its a dead short, and if your smelling the sub good chance your clipping cause you dont have enough power on the sub so your over compansating with going up a little more, and if thats not it maybe you just have a sub that smells, my l7's i had before always smelled a little bit and so did my friends"

first, i don't have time to build a box which is why i had a shop do it.

thats the problem. they wired the sub wrong and WOULDNT admit it. he still wont. bad mouthing? so... let me get this straight.. they **** up my install.. i get pissed... and its turned around as me "bad mouthing" them on the internet.. PLEASE.. this is a review forum, learn to read.

if the sub is going, its nothing but team nutz's fault. simple as that. just because you like team nutz or ed doesn't change the fact that they ****ed up and wont admit it.

quoted from your first post

"magically, after them re-doing the wiring in front of me, the bass output increased 10 fold and i had bass. the owner admitted to me it was probably wired backwards or wrong."

so i need to learn how to read?

BreakingBad
06-24-2007, 12:00 PM
quoted from your first post

"magically, after them re-doing the wiring in front of me, the bass output increased 10 fold and i had bass. the owner admitted to me it was probably wired backwards or wrong."

so i need to learn how to read?

thats the thing, when i was standing there he said and i quote

"yeah uh.. i could have wired it backwards or something or the labels were wrong on the sub"

later on down the line (which is what really got me mad is)

he denies he ever said that, denied admitting he wired it wrong and denied there was any difference in output.

sorry, i was referring to him denying the miswire.

and when i told you to "learn to read" i was referring to the forum as you said i am "bad mouthing" him on "the internet". what forum is this again? the CAR AUDIO INSTALL SHOP REVIEW FORUM? oh, sorry.

Street DreamsCC
06-24-2007, 04:56 PM
You know what honestly....................you need to get a life. All this time you spend on the internet but you dont got time to build your own box. Funny.

Here is what I pmed you below and you said to drop it...........so why dont you drop it. You said your review. You were not happy. We all get that now quit whining about the same **** thing. You ran up 30 pages on ROE whining and complaining. Now I am starting to feel bad more for Ed.

PMed message on ROE:
Come to NY and I could help ya out.

You have to remember several things though.....listening to alot of these guys will screw you over. Alot of people dont know **** about actually installing. They are the backyard rig em up guys. You will find a few that do know what they are doing. So be careful.

Next, there is no proof that your sub is actully damaged. Is there still any noise? Reading coils can vary due to temp, where the coil is sitting, if the sub is in a box, reading it off of the sub or at ends of speaker wires, plus not to mention the difference a meter itself will add.

You got alot of differences that add to the numbers. If it is a dual 2 ohm and it reads .4 or 4.2 then yeah you got problems. 2.1 to end up 2.6 I wouldnt get all huffy puffy over. especially if no noise.

As for your smel, you will get that with ANY subs. I did with my Atomic APXs and my new DD 9515s. Normal. After a week you shouldnt unless your feeding distortion then you will smell coils.

Also just by chance did you check the sub when you first got it to make sure nothing happened during shipping or anything else.

Honestly, I have known ED for years as he was always a DB Drag competitor. You have to understand a business aspect. If he was to admit on an open forum that one of his guys screwed up and accidently wired it wrong or it didnt have a good connection.......that is just as bad for business.
It could of been wired wrong or it could of only had one coil actually connected.

Too many things it could be or been..........just chock it up as a learning experience and learn from it. He knows what he is doing......but his guys might not. Nobody knows who wired the sub up.

Just some ideas for you to think about. All I seen is you asking a question and then some good things to check. Then everyone bashing.

I will be more then happy to help you in the future.

Just remember subs get damaged all the time from shipping to alignment problems to install (gain settings, bass boost, dropping amps too low, etc) ;


Funny how you claim to of fixed the ground to a shock tower bolt which isnt much better and the scratching noise went away. SO why are you *****ing now? No noise? So just drop it already.:suicide:

Street DreamsCC
06-24-2007, 05:04 PM
thats the thing, when i was standing there he said and i quote

"yeah uh.. i could have wired it backwards or something or the labels were wrong on the sub"



He said that to you in person...............FINE GREAT HE ADMITTED IT PERSONALLY!

Now you want him to broadcast it world wide that one of his guys or he may of accidently screwed up and fixed it the next day.......................not a month, not a week the next DAY.

You know shops around here you would have to get blown off a week before they would look at it again. They screw up stuff cause they work too fast and the shops around here hire 17 year olds to do it. I see stuff blowing up that shouldnt be.

Ed brought it back in after your complaint and checked it out right away.........that should show something for the guy. Like I said before there is sooooooooo many reasons how something could get messed up and not be on purpose like your trying to make it sound.

90accordman
06-24-2007, 05:27 PM
lmfao at slander, he can post his bad experience on a website if he wants to and you or your attorny cant do a **** thing about it.

BreakingBad
06-24-2007, 05:41 PM
You know what honestly....................you need to get a life. All this time you spend on the internet but you dont got time to build your own box. Funny.

Here is what I pmed you below and you said to drop it...........so why dont you drop it. You said your review. You were not happy. We all get that now quit whining about the same **** thing. You ran up 30 pages on ROE whining and complaining. Now I am starting to feel bad more for Ed.

PMed message on ROE:
Come to NY and I could help ya out.

You have to remember several things though.....listening to alot of these guys will screw you over. Alot of people dont know **** about actually installing. They are the backyard rig em up guys. You will find a few that do know what they are doing. So be careful.

Next, there is no proof that your sub is actully damaged. Is there still any noise? Reading coils can vary due to temp, where the coil is sitting, if the sub is in a box, reading it off of the sub or at ends of speaker wires, plus not to mention the difference a meter itself will add.

You got alot of differences that add to the numbers. If it is a dual 2 ohm and it reads .4 or 4.2 then yeah you got problems. 2.1 to end up 2.6 I wouldnt get all huffy puffy over. especially if no noise.

As for your smel, you will get that with ANY subs. I did with my Atomic APXs and my new DD 9515s. Normal. After a week you shouldnt unless your feeding distortion then you will smell coils.

Also just by chance did you check the sub when you first got it to make sure nothing happened during shipping or anything else.

Honestly, I have known ED for years as he was always a DB Drag competitor. You have to understand a business aspect. If he was to admit on an open forum that one of his guys screwed up and accidently wired it wrong or it didnt have a good connection.......that is just as bad for business.
It could of been wired wrong or it could of only had one coil actually connected.

Too many things it could be or been..........just chock it up as a learning experience and learn from it. He knows what he is doing......but his guys might not. Nobody knows who wired the sub up.

Just some ideas for you to think about. All I seen is you asking a question and then some good things to check. Then everyone bashing.

I will be more then happy to help you in the future.

Just remember subs get damaged all the time from shipping to alignment problems to install (gain settings, bass boost, dropping amps too low, etc) ;


Funny how you claim to of fixed the ground to a shock tower bolt which isnt much better and the scratching noise went away. SO why are you *****ing now? No noise? So just drop it already.:suicide:


you're one of ed's cronies he had hurry their *** on the internet to defend a very simple but blatent mistake.

i need to get a life? buddy i work monday - friday 8 or 9-6 every day, on weekends i help clear the land where we will be building a new house and that's not going to include other things like work i do for the company i work for online on the weekends, my relationship or anything of the sort. when i'm online i'm on forums, listening to and downloading music and doing work on ebay.

YOU need to get a life because if YOU can't see where the issue in all this lies, you're ****ing retarded.

i was recommended to come here and post a review from people at ROE, i didnt come here to "whine" like you seem to think i'm doing.

you're another little shithead who runs his mouth on the internet about **** he has no clue about. it was obvious from the start you were caressing ed's balls so why don't you quit kissin them and think toyourself "holy ****, maybe what ed did WAS ****ed up"

and this "whining" as you refer to... i asked questions about problems that were encountered AFTER a BAD INSTALL from ED and his company. not my fault, nor my problem but he's too much of a girl to man up and see how he could resolve the problem HE created.

BreakingBad
06-24-2007, 05:44 PM
He said that to you in person...............FINE GREAT HE ADMITTED IT PERSONALLY!

Now you want him to broadcast it world wide that one of his guys or he may of accidently screwed up and fixed it the next day.......................not a month, not a week the next DAY.

You know shops around here you would have to get blown off a week before they would look at it again. They screw up stuff cause they work too fast and the shops around here hire 17 year olds to do it. I see stuff blowing up that shouldnt be.

Ed brought it back in after your complaint and checked it out right away.........that should show something for the guy. Like I said before there is sooooooooo many reasons how something could get messed up and not be on purpose like your trying to make it sound.

dude. what aren't you getting through your thick skull.. he called me and told me i needed 3,000 watts to push the sub to have ANY bass what so ever, he also said he smelled the **** BURNING, i come down the next day COMPLAINING which is why he looked at it, he then realized "oh ****, we wired it wrong".. he admitted they PROBABLY wired it wrong but now he won't take responsibility for a damaged sub. this **** was tested before it left the factory and the distributer so the chances of a voice coil being ****ed that much leaving the factory.....eh SLIM TO NONE.

i had respect for the dude until he called me a liar to my face to get out of taking responsibility for a problem he created.

Street DreamsCC
06-24-2007, 06:15 PM
you still have yet to prove THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE SUB. You keep complaining but yet you dont know.

I read all 30 pages. Yeah I felt bad at first for you. When you put in that kind of money into a system and it aint right yeah I feel alittle bad for you. But you asked people what could be wrong they told you to check certain things. You kept complaining instead of checking it.
He said to you in person it might of been a problem. You oviously dont know **** about car audio. I have had wires inside insulation break where you do not see it. He did the work there was an issue. He fixed it. You complained later of a scratching noise. But you also said you fixed that when you changed the ground.

SO how the **** is the sub ****ed now?????????????????????????????

Your starting to seem like one of those customers that when one thing accidently happens and it gets corrected then you find the littlest thing and ***** somemore. What your car overheats cause your water pump takes a crap and its his fault again? Grow up and consider it a learning lession. Dont go back there.

End of story, you are taking something minor and making a huge thing of it. If there is no damage to the sub then why dont you drop it. If you still wonder take it to another shop and stand there while they take the sub out and check it.
Remember accidents do happen to everyone...........he atleast corrected the issue ASAP.


Oh and the only one on his nuts is you.

BreakingBad
06-24-2007, 06:39 PM
you still have yet to prove THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE SUB. You keep complaining but yet you dont know.

I read all 30 pages. Yeah I felt bad at first for you. When you put in that kind of money into a system and it aint right yeah I feel alittle bad for you. But you asked people what could be wrong they told you to check certain things. You kept complaining instead of checking it.
He said to you in person it might of been a problem. You oviously dont know **** about car audio. I have had wires inside insulation break where you do not see it. He did the work there was an issue. He fixed it. You complained later of a scratching noise. But you also said you fixed that when you changed the ground.

SO how the **** is the sub ****ed now?????????????????????????????

Your starting to seem like one of those customers that when one thing accidently happens and it gets corrected then you find the littlest thing and ***** somemore. What your car overheats cause your water pump takes a crap and its his fault again? Grow up and consider it a learning lession. Dont go back there.

End of story, you are taking something minor and making a huge thing of it. If there is no damage to the sub then why dont you drop it. If you still wonder take it to another shop and stand there while they take the sub out and check it.
Remember accidents do happen to everyone...........he atleast corrected the issue ASAP.


Oh and the only one on his nuts is you.

wow. you seem to be the kind of person who needs told something 15 times to get the message.

subs dont make "scratching noises" like that for no reason. i have another thread open on ROE with a VIDEO of the noise incase anyone didnt believe me.

second, i said there were 2 main issues with noise.. the scratching and the whine/staticy sound. the whine and staticy sound stopped when i switched the ground. i THOUGHT the scratching did too until i heard it again after switching the ground.

i admitted from the start i'm no expert in car audio, but i'm allowed to ask questions about my vehicle, car audio and other **** and yes i'm allowed to make assumptions based on what i've been told - thats how the world turns.

grow up? are you kidding me? the only one who needs to grow up is ed. REGARDLESS if the sub is damaged or not, which it 99.9% is since the vc's are reading 2.6 @ last check and im getting performance thats not up to par along with scratching noises, but REGARDLESS ed should have taken me aside, explained what he did and asked me how he could help. instead i was handed my keys and was never to been seen of or heard of again until I, yes I CAME BACK DOWN to have them fix the ****ed up job they did in the first place.

and i'm on their nuts? from the sounds of it you would take a bullet in your balls for ed, stop trying to defend someone who is clearly wrong.

END OF STORY.

Nutz
06-28-2007, 11:48 AM
Thank you everyone for the supports and concerns.

To answer several simple questions and then I do have work to do.

US Amps recommended to purchase there AX3200D for this subwoofer, so you there would be enough power to use this subwoofer to the max. They never said put 3000 watts into a 2000 watt RMS woofer. What they said is the AX1500DE does not seem to be enough to move the sub to its potention and customers wants. Instead of turning up all the gains and turning up the bass gains on the radio and sending in distortion that does damage a sub. A 500 watt amplifier can damage a 2000 Watt subwoofer if it is not tuned correctly.

As soon as I seen trouble with the amp and sub combination I called Matthew and told him of my concerns. I told him what US Amps said and asked him what to do. I did tell him not to play the woofer until the problem was fixed. Once he left my show he obviously played the woofer, he actually video taped it as proof to not listening to my recommendations. I did everything I could to protect that woofer and the customers investment. Even though he did not buy it from me, I still did not want to see him spend that kind of money to damage it and waste the money.

When Matthew asked me to come back to the shop, I brought him in immediately around all scheduled appointments. We went over the sub again to the point of removing it from the box. The voice coil was moving freely, it read a 2.6 ohm reading on both coils which is fine. It may be .6 off because of angle the sub sits on the ground or weather I don't know. The voice coil can be seen on this sub, It was not physically separated or scratched when we looked over it together.

I wired the sub in front of Matthew, showed him that it moved in phase with a battery, by moving each coil individually and together. Put the sub back in the car, turned the volume up and showed him what we had.

If there were any mistakes that happened on the way, I don't know, but I do know that we addressed all our concerns to the customer, We recommend him keep his aftermarket higher amperage alternator, in, which he insisted on removing. The ground wire to the rear battery was in the car since August with no problem so we did not look at it or change it (If it isn't broke, don't Fix it)

Bottom line we went over and beyond for this customer and it upsets me to see the reactions I have received on ROE and here from him and his friends that sole goal in life to get people upset online, because they no they are safe behind a computer.

Obviously he is only here to bash us, as this forum is designed to do. He can call me all the names he wants, on here because he feels protected and secure here.

Again thank you everyone for the support, hopefully this will not ruin our companies reputation as we do strive for the best customer service in the Pittsburgh areas, my resume and my shops resume speaks for itself. The long time relationship with other shops across the country and in the DB Drag Racing area. You can call countless references such as manufactures and other shop owners around the areas, I have never bad mouthed any other shop owner and anyone that knows me has never said anything bad back to me, to my face or behind my back. Thank you everyone, and hopefully we can look past this person who's sole goal in life right not is to make us look bad and call us names.

pwnt by pat
06-28-2007, 03:29 PM
Ed, you have a PM

BreakingBad
06-28-2007, 04:27 PM
Thank you everyone for the supports and concerns.

To answer several simple questions and then I do have work to do.

US Amps recommended to purchase there AX3200D for this subwoofer, so you there would be enough power to use this subwoofer to the max. They never said put 3000 watts into a 2000 watt RMS woofer. What they said is the AX1500DE does not seem to be enough to move the sub to its potention and customers wants. Instead of turning up all the gains and turning up the bass gains on the radio and sending in distortion that does damage a sub. A 500 watt amplifier can damage a 2000 Watt subwoofer if it is not tuned correctly.

As soon as I seen trouble with the amp and sub combination I called Matthew and told him of my concerns. I told him what US Amps said and asked him what to do. I did tell him not to play the woofer until the problem was fixed. Once he left my show he obviously played the woofer, he actually video taped it as proof to not listening to my recommendations. I did everything I could to protect that woofer and the customers investment. Even though he did not buy it from me, I still did not want to see him spend that kind of money to damage it and waste the money.

When Matthew asked me to come back to the shop, I brought him in immediately around all scheduled appointments. We went over the sub again to the point of removing it from the box. The voice coil was moving freely, it read a 2.6 ohm reading on both coils which is fine. It may be .6 off because of angle the sub sits on the ground or weather I don't know. The voice coil can be seen on this sub, It was not physically separated or scratched when we looked over it together.

I wired the sub in front of Matthew, showed him that it moved in phase with a battery, by moving each coil individually and together. Put the sub back in the car, turned the volume up and showed him what we had.

If there were any mistakes that happened on the way, I don't know, but I do know that we addressed all our concerns to the customer, We recommend him keep his aftermarket higher amperage alternator, in, which he insisted on removing. The ground wire to the rear battery was in the car since August with no problem so we did not look at it or change it (If it isn't broke, don't Fix it)

Bottom line we went over and beyond for this customer and it upsets me to see the reactions I have received on ROE and here from him and his friends that sole goal in life to get people upset online, because they no they are safe behind a computer.

Obviously he is only here to bash us, as this forum is designed to do. He can call me all the names he wants, on here because he feels protected and secure here.

Again thank you everyone for the support, hopefully this will not ruin our companies reputation as we do strive for the best customer service in the Pittsburgh areas, my resume and my shops resume speaks for itself. The long time relationship with other shops across the country and in the DB Drag Racing area. You can call countless references such as manufactures and other shop owners around the areas, I have never bad mouthed any other shop owner and anyone that knows me has never said anything bad back to me, to my face or behind my back. Thank you everyone, and hopefully we can look past this person who's sole goal in life right not is to make us look bad and call us names.

Since you took time to explain "your side" let me explain it from my side, the customer who is actually DEALING with the problem. First let me explain to those of you who read this, I am a very laid back guy, easy to get along with and i can compromise very easily. I walked out of team nutz with my sx's back in september 06' with no complaints, thanked them for the job and that was that. I came back because of the GOOD experience i had with them.. If it wasnt a good experience i had in the first place - why would i come back?

Anyway i asked them what the price is on the sub. They quoted me a lot higher than what i could have gotten one for with a warranty, so i went with someone else instead of team nutz. This obviously upset them as they complained and tried to scare me into buying it from them.

Second. Regardless of what you or any other shop owners think, I will NOT listen to Greg at US Amps, as that is who you have spoken with and he is the ONLY one there who believes it is safe to put the AX3000 series on the XXX. RE (specifically Ryan and Dave, Dave being the head tech at RE) said do NOT listen to Greg and do NOT put that amp on that sub as it will NOT last long and you are only asking for problems. The AX2000 is PLENTY of power for the XXX and is 5-800 dollars cheaper. Again, another instance of team nutz trying to sell me something i did not need.

What REALLY happened - i dropped my car off for the install, i receive a call back 2 days later stating that, and i quote, "you have no bass. this thing isnt even moving. you need a million watts to move this thing and for that reason i will probably never push an XXX ever again". after hearing that i went onto ROE and DOZENS of people told me that was straight bullshit and even 600-1000W can push the XXX sufficiently. Anyway, they played the sub and i was told SPECIFICALLY "Uh.. we played it... and we smelled something burning.. and we turned it off.." RIGHT there is what initially set me off and pissed me off, because it was becoming obvious they wired it wrong. When i went to pick my car up when it was initially wired wrong i was handed my keys and that was that. Ed was unavailable. I recorded a video of the sub (WITH THE HEAD UNIT OFF, i dont understand why Ed thinks i went about playing the **** thing..) and even with the HU off a scratching noise was emitting from the sub. If you dont believe me, look at the video on ROE i have posted under username "KMK".

They DID remove it after i came back complaining, re-wired it and by some UNFORSEEN force, i had about FIVE TIMES the amount of bass as i did before. It was VERY clear at that point that they wired it wrong. Ed skirted the issue by saying "Uh we may of had it wired backwards or the labeling on the sub was wrong.." Beating around the bush. I posted my situation on ROE and everyone agreed that it was wired wrong which probably screwed the VC's which is why it's .5-.7 off on each voice coil and i'm hearing a scratching sound.

I'm not here to bash you or your company. I posted a legitimate review and unfortunately for you it was not a positive one for your company so you are *****ing, whining and lying about what REALLY happened so you can scrape what you can from the people who still think you are a reputable company.

This would have all been solved and I would of walked away a happy customer if:

1.) I was refunded the labor for the install, since it was wired incorrectly which in turn damaged my sub. Again this is what I believe to be the truth as the sub was tested before it was shipped to me.
2.) I was asked what could be done to assist in my issues, rather than told "You dont have enough power. Get a bigger amp."

Anyone who knows anything about RE knows that 1,000W on their XXX series DESTROYS. 1,500W even better. 2,000 = PRIME. Just because i didnt have 2,000W put into the sub Ed used that as his reasoning behind why it wasn't working properly when in reality it was WIRED WRONG.

Nobody cares about your awards ed, the upmost professional shops make mistakes but what defines a shops integrity is how they handle those mistakes. You lost my respect and my business when you denied that there was any difference in output and when you denied refunding me anything for the incorrect install.

To those of you who are still debating who's right, all i say is read my thread on ROE and you will see the truth, and you will also see VERY educated contributers analyzing my setup and seeing that it was wired incorrectly. The ground issue was another thing, regardless if it worked. That was a shortcut that i missed the first time but not this time. I expect 'shortcuts' to be done on your own vehicle, not a paying customer.

Like i said, you could have avoided all the bad publicity if you would have just handled the issue like an upstanding businessman would. Due to your error i have to send my sub back for warrantly repair/replacement and i'm out close to another $50-100 because you guys just didnt install it properly the first time.

And to top that off, you got so mad that you threatened to sue me for slander. You obviously don't know anything about law or libel/slander, because when i post a REVIEW or i SPEAK MY MIND, that's not against the law. I did not lie about anything, I have witnesses and video to back up my statements. What kind of TRUE PROFESSIONAL businessman gets pissed off over an unhappy customer and threatens to sue them? Come on..

Drop it Ed, you screwed up and you are still attempting to salvage what you can out of this situation. Let it be and move on.

BreakingBad
06-28-2007, 07:21 PM
oh and also - before i forget -

the whole thing with this guy saying i need "more power" and a "bigger amp"..

i currently have 1,500W on a 2,000W sub (xxx)

he said thats not enough power and that i need a 3,000W amp.

but, 8 months ago it was perfectly fine to put 1,500W on two 1,000W subs. either way, i'm still underpowering by 500 watts. i asked what amp i would need for 2 RE SX's... he told me the AX1500.. not the 2000... not the 3000.. the 1500DE.. yet.. for some reason that same amp isn't good on a 2,000W sub. :rolleyes:

Nutz
06-28-2007, 09:07 PM
round and round we go, when will he shut up, nobody knows.

BreakingBad
06-29-2007, 10:41 AM
lmao last time i checked YOU keep replying. i said end of story about what 6 posts ago?

you keep making yourself and your company look more and more retarded because of the things you say. oh wait, i shouldn't of said that, because now i'm going to be sued for slander :rolleyes:

ed, :suicide:

waiting for the "seese and desicst im suing u for slander wheres my lawyer" post.

splfreak07
06-29-2007, 05:40 PM
Ok so ive watched this go round. There are some things i dont understand. 1: the problem was fixed the next day was it not?
2:You didnt purchase the sub from them and the way i understand it the majority of store not just audio stores wont do a warrenty exchange on a product they didnt sell (with the exception of wal mart they take anything back)
3: you still cant say without a doubt that the sub is damaged
4: Dont you think that all audio shops do at some point in time have an issue with an install?
5: the internet is a good place for information in moderation you have to realize that not everyone on here is a master installer.
in closing ill give you some info about myself . I compete regularly on the dbdrag circut all over the us. i did do my own install but it also took me over 8 years to have the ability to do what i do with confidence . To me it sounds like you honestly dont know what you are doing and you are looking to the shop that did the install as a cop out and as for roe that entire sight is full of people that couldnt wire a 6x9 let alone a full custom install the amp you have is under powering that particular sub it is rated at 2000 watts correct? It would sound better and be louder with more power. and you also bought an 18 inch sub those arnt exactly known for sq the burnt smell will go away its called burning in the sub it is a common problem with most high performance high power subs and from what ive read it seems as though your sub is fine the scratching is distortion if you push the center of the sub in straight does it make a noise? you just need to learn what you are talking about in this relm you need to get over yourself what i know about that particular shop (from word of mouth) is that they are good and do some outstanding workand instead of taking to the net to air your consirns why didnt you just work it out with the shop? I guess being a keyboard comando is a lot more fun for people like you . im sure that you are a great installer in your own mind and someday you may be (when hell freezes over) oh btw if 4 ax2000's on 16 17 volt batteries wont take a re audio mt 18 to full excersion why would your 1500 watt amp? and yea i am venting you are the reason that shops close . and still the questions that go unanswered like the alt and why not source of secondary power ie additional battery cap ect ect ect . in my own opinion (which i am able to have) the install was fixed yet you still complain and 140 isnt that loud.
stop all the crying and *****ing it isnt going to get anything fixed man up and act like an adult . THIS WILL BE MY ONE AND ONLLY POST ON THIS TOPIC SO WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR CHILDISH REMARK I WILL NOT RESPOND YOU ARNT IMPORTANT IN CLOSING BE A MAN NOT A BOY


SPLFREAK07
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN
credentials upon request

Prowler573
06-29-2007, 05:48 PM
Ok so ive watched this go round. There are some things i dont understand. 1: the problem was fixed the next day was it not?
2:You didnt purchase the sub from them and the way i understand it the majority of store not just audio stores wont do a warrenty exchange on a product they didnt sell (with the exception of wal mart they take anything back)
3: you still cant say without a doubt that the sub is damaged
4: Dont you think that all audio shops do at some point in time have an issue with an install?
5: the internet is a good place for information in moderation you have to realize that not everyone on here is a master installer.
in closing ill give you some info about myself . I compete regularly on the dbdrag circut all over the us. i did do my own install but it also took me over 8 years to have the ability to do what i do with confidence . To me it sounds like you honestly dont know what you are doing and you are looking to the shop that did the install as a cop out and as for roe that entire sight is full of people that couldnt wire a 6x9 let alone a full custom install the amp you have is under powering that particular sub it is rated at 2000 watts correct? It would sound better and be louder with more power. and you also bought an 18 inch sub those arnt exactly known for sq the burnt smell will go away its called burning in the sub it is a common problem with most high performance high power subs and from what ive read it seems as though your sub is fine the scratching is distortion if you push the center of the sub in straight does it make a noise? you just need to learn what you are talking about in this relm you need to get over yourself what i know about that particular shop (from word of mouth) is that they are good and do some outstanding workand instead of taking to the net to air your consirns why didnt you just work it out with the shop? I guess being a keyboard comando is a lot more fun for people like you . im sure that you are a great installer in your own mind and someday you may be (when hell freezes over) oh btw if 4 ax2000's on 16 17 volt batteries wont take a re audio mt 18 to full excersion why would your 1500 watt amp? and yea i am venting you are the reason that shops close . and still the questions that go unanswered like the alt and why not source of secondary power ie additional battery cap ect ect ect . in my own opinion (which i am able to have) the install was fixed yet you still complain and 140 isnt that loud.
stop all the crying and *****ing it isnt going to get anything fixed man up and act like an adult . THIS WILL BE MY ONE AND ONLLY POST ON THIS TOPIC SO WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR CHILDISH REMARK I WILL NOT RESPOND YOU ARNT IMPORTANT IN CLOSING BE A MAN NOT A BOY


SPLFREAK07
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN
credentials upon request
:laugh:
:hilariou:
:rotflol:
PUH-LEEEEZE!









By the way.......



How can we request your credentials if this is going to be your one and only post?

BreakingBad
06-30-2007, 01:59 AM
lmao, ed is still having his little buddies get online and defend him.

don't listen to that turd smeller. if you are too retarded to understand anything i said, which splfreak seems to be, you need not post here.

i explained myself in detail, splfreak must have read two sentences into my first post then made a reply because half the **** he mentions was already described in my previous posts.

ed, owner of team nutz is just a little girl when it comes to dealing with negative reviews. what he doesnt realize is if he would of just dealt with the problem the correct way, none of this would of happened. he is too stubborn to admit the truth so he has his friends go online and defend him when they don't even know half the story.

he should of received a little special something in the mail from the BBB.

Nutz
07-01-2007, 07:01 PM
THE Realm of Excursion Post that Mr KMK/Sublime will not respond to. Its nice to check out:

KMK:
ok, what the ****. i swear to god i might be the most unluckiest person in the world at the moment.

some of you know about my issues with the 18" XXX. i was hearing distortion/staticy noise, a scraping and the bass was cutting out.

i got rid of the staticy type noise by switching the ground.

the scraping noise is probably due to the sub being wired wrong.

so, i took the sub out for warranty replacement and am currently dealing with that.

so i went ahead and put my 2 12" SX's back in.

when i first had the system installed, it was on a stock alternator, stock battery (Whatever the car came with), with a ax-1500de amp, yellow top on the system and new rcas/power wire all that good stuff.

anyway, that system was flawless even on the stock alternator. i could pump it up to volume 60/80 and no issues what-so-ever.

so for safetys sake i had a new alternator (200amp) put on to give it some more juice. the alternator was defective, and made a whining noise through the subs. had to send it back to get a refund (which is why im going with EA next time)... anyway this is where i had the local install shop who did my 12's put in my 18.

i had them:

- remove defective h/o alternator and replace with stock alt
- change hood battery to yellow top
- build box/wire sub to amp (which they completely ****ed up)

now, with my 12s back on, at certain times the bass is cutting out completely. it cuts out for a good 3-5 seconds, sometimes longer, then comes back in. its REALLY bad at times, no bull****.

my questions:

could this be because of the new battery and/or the electrical system not being up to par? or does this sound like more of an amp issue? or even rca's?

the bass hits like normal, but it gets distorted and cuts out randomly. the only thing i can attribute this to is a.) alternator or b.) amp. i dont know what else would do that since it was flawless BEFORE the 18 was put in. i called RE to get some direction in which to look but the tech i talked to said dave would be a better person to talk to yet he was out of the office.

so the bass cutting out occured on both the 18 and the 12s..

which really confuses me if its the alternator, because it NEVER did that before the alt swap out/changing the 12s to the 18.

i hope to god its not my amp, i have a full warranty on that but i know it really all depends on user damage/manufacturer defect. if its my amp thats damaged and they wont replace/repair, i might be needing to call my lawyer.

what should i do? i need some direction..

Nutz
07-01-2007, 07:03 PM
I must have the worst luck in the world: Under Subwoofers,

Response from ToyzNoyz(random person):
Kmk i suggest youy buy a cheap little voltmeter and install it up front. Monitoring voltage while playing music is very important. It tells a lot. For instance when youre playing and youre dropping below 12, you should lower the bass a lil cuz too much at that voltage can cause sub damage. And when you fall below 11, dude dont do that get more current.
Try it and see how voltage is when bass cuts out. But I dont think voltage is your problem here.



MY RESPONSE AND THE SAME ISSUES THE ENTIRE TIME AS I TOLD MR. SUBLIME/KMK:

Not that your going to listen, but here is what you have and what the problem is........

You have two SX 12's Dual 4ohm. This way when you wire all four voice coils together on the 12's you will have a 1 ohm load. The amplifier you have is a single channel amplifier. The positive and negative speaker lines on the amp are connected together on the inside. Does not matter what location you use.

When I tested your car when it first came to the shop you had an H/O alternator that maintained a 14 volt level with the system on. If you recall I called you to say that I would not take it out. When I took the alternator out the 12's instantly had problems. The amp keep going into protection because your voltage dropped to 11 volts. The factory alternator could not keep up as the H/O alternator did.

Even with two batteries and both being yellow tops it still dropped to 11 volts.

When you put the 18" in the car it did the same thing. I could not turn the amplifier gain up because it would shut off due to low voltage. As NoyzToyz said this will damage the subs and amps. Probably amp first.

If you turned the gain up on the amp or turned the bass up on the radio it will both put more voltage to the input side of the amplifier. This will then drop the car voltage down because you will need more power to produce that level of sound. If you car voltage can not stay up with the amplifiers needs it will then begin to clip and possibly distort.

This is why I keep saying that you should have had everything fixed first before you continue playing the system to prevent something from damaging.

I know your excited to get the new sub and excited that it should be loud. But the entire system must be tuned in correctly with the gains, radio and voltage. If you lack one area to have the risk of damaging a sub or amp. Hopefully the sub was not damaged, but if it was, it is probably because distortion. The amplifier will be fine as long as you get the voltage problem in the car fixed.

US Amps will warranty the amplifier up to 1 year from the time you purchased the amplifier. You don't have to worry about me telling you I will not warranty it.

As for the power line for all that do not know. This is a fancy wire that Mobile Spec sells. It is rated at 4 guage. It is hard to work with and I will never order it in again, but it is rated at 4 guage and I never had issues with it as KMK said when the system was first installed.

My recommendation is fix the voltage in the car, retune the radio and amplifier together by someone that knows what they are doing.

This email is not out of spit, hopefully you can take my advice and if anyone else has anything to add this forum is open for additional suggestions, but this is what I have found to work in the past with my experiences.

Nutz
07-01-2007, 07:11 PM
To those who are reading this again and watching it unfold, I thank you for your support. We are demonstrating here a customer that does not know car electronics, has taken it upon his self to diagnos his vehicle and the problems it is having. These are the same problems that we explained to him at our store and recommended him to fix before damage continued. As posted on Realm of Excursion, damage is continuing to the vehicle after another shop and himself have played around with the wiring and knobs. We wish this customer the best of luck, but insist that if you have an issue please let us work with you to fix the problem instead of searching for solutions on line.

As for we have demonstrated in his own wording that there is a problem with the vehicles voltage system that needs to be addressed before he damages his subs and amps.

As for the BBB, I have received the letter and I am responding to there request. A complaint to the Better Business Bureau is only valid with facts. Making a statement that a business is shady does not hold up with them as we have had a flawless record with them for over Seven years.

Thank you.

mooferman
07-02-2007, 04:06 PM
Ok, my turn. I know what is going on from the start. Nuts, from the start you screwed up. You are a lying piece of $hit, and I guess RE lets anyone carry their products now days. You don't know your @ss form a hole in the ground. I can go buy trophies and take pics of them with my name on them too, what does that prove? First, you tell this guy his price for XXX is $2000. He buys else where. Then, you try to get him to buy a $2000 amp to make some money off of him. I love how you told him that 1500 rms is why the coils are burning. I guess running 400 rms on my MAG a few months ago was burning it up too eh? Didn't know under powering a woofer by 500 rms would destroy it. So how long hav you been scamming customers?

Next, you admit wiring the guys subs up wrong, and he sees it for himself. Ok, everyone makes mistakes, but when something is wrong with sub after that little issue, guess what, YOU ARE LIABLE. Customer paid you for a service and you fvcked the mans products up. You don't know a d@mn thing about car audio.

Now, you just made yourself look a little stupid. You built the box. In a prvious post you state under powering a woofer at a wrong tuning could damage a sub. I see you are liable there too as well. Your an idiot.

Man up, give him a refund. I wouldn't offer to fix it for free, because if I was him I wouldn't let you work on my bicycle. Keep getting your little fan boys to sign n here and say good things about ya as well, what does that prove? More of an idiot.

So what did we learn here today? All of Team Nuts customers look like vaginas and you will be fvcked when dealing with them.

BreakingBad
07-02-2007, 04:15 PM
Ok, my turn. I know what is going on from the start. Nuts, from the start you screwed up. You are a lying piece of $hit, and I guess RE lets anyone carry their products now days. You don't know your @ss form a hole in the ground. I can go buy trophies and take pics of them with my name on them too, what does that prove? First, you tell this guy his price for XXX is $2000. He buys else where. Then, you try to get him to buy a $2000 amp to make some money off of him. I love how you told him that 1500 rms is why the coils are burning. I guess running 400 rms on my MAG a few months ago was burning it up too eh? Didn't know under powering a woofer by 500 rms would destroy it. So how long hav you been scamming customers?

Next, you admit wiring the guys subs up wrong, and he sees it for himself. Ok, everyone makes mistakes, but when something is wrong with sub after that little issue, guess what, YOU ARE LIABLE. Customer paid you for a service and you fvcked the mans products up. You don't know a d@mn thing about car audio.

Now, you just made yourself look a little stupid. You built the box. In a prvious post you state under powering a woofer at a wrong tuning could damage a sub. I see you are liable there too as well. Your an idiot.

Man up, give him a refund. I wouldn't offer to fix it for free, because if I was him I wouldn't let you work on my bicycle. Keep getting your little fan boys to sign n here and say good things about ya as well, what does that prove? More of an idiot.

So what did we learn here today? All of Team Nuts customers look like vaginas and you will be fvcked when dealing with them.

couldn't have said it better myself.

what this really comes down to is Nutty boy using the defense of "we have a billion awards" as a cop out to his own ****up.

UH, UH the customer doesn't know everything there is to know about car audio... so.. ITS ALL HIS FAULT..

first off, YOU as a CAR AUDIO RETAIL and INSTALL business CATER to people like me. people who don't know EVERYTHING. if i knew EVERYTHING there was to know, i would have installed it MYSELF.

how are you going to critisize a customer for "not knowing everything about car audio" when thats your job - to install products for those types of people?

i never stated that i knew everything, nor do i know even A LOT, but i do know a little about a lot. enough to realize that you ****ed up the wiring, denied it, wouldn't issue me a refund on anything and now blame me for your ****up. thats funny.

BreakingBad
07-02-2007, 10:49 PM
oh and by the way, i had another install shop look at the setup..

the ****ing power wire fell out of the fuse block under the hook. FELL out with a gentle nudge. GREAT job TN :rolleyes:

adio
07-03-2007, 12:58 AM
oh and by the way, i had another install shop look at the setup..

the ****ing power wire fell out of the fuse block under the hook. FELL out with a gentle nudge. GREAT job TN :rolleyes:

we'll send u up to pat next time

Nutz
07-03-2007, 01:22 AM
mooferman, mind your business, If you were not there you don't know. if you knew something about audio, if you under power a subwoofer and try to force bass out of it by turning the bass gain and amp gains up to a point past were we set them at you will damage a 10,000 watt woofer. Its called distortion and I see people destory equipment all the time because of it.
No valid point from you.

I love that this continues. Matthew you are correct, you came to us because you are an amatuer that is in need of help. And that is what we did, tryed to help you and guide you in the right direction. When you make your own decisions and don't go with our recommendation we can not be hold liable. When we tell you that without the high output alternator, you will have voltage problems, which result in amplifiers not operating properly and which in result effect subwoofers. Which is exactly the problem that you are having with the 18's and now the 12's as you stated in ROE. You might hate us and think we are terrible people, but we are people that do study car audio everyday and know a little bit then the average joe. Stop be bold headed and just give it up. Go your way and we will go ours, but the more you write about us the more I will defend our actions as we did nothing wrong. We walked through all the wiring with you and you left happy, can't understand where that went wrong, expect we said don't turn the stereo on until you get the voltage fixed. Obviously you didn't listen because you posted video to prove that the sub doesn't sound right.

So keep up the advertising for us and proving to the world that we were correct. The advertising is working well for us. The more you post the more hits we get and the more traffic flows to our website. Keep up the good work. My professors at Robert Morris said good or bad advertisment is always good because now you are the talk of the town and only results in more free advertisement.

Actually the BBB rep is coming out to get satelite radio in a couple days thanks.

Nutz
07-03-2007, 01:42 AM
HERE IS MY OFFER:

I will refund you the install labor on your bill if you can bring to me the XXX18" woofer and the same two yellow top batteries and same factory alternator, with the US Amps AX1500DE and same eclipse radio to me rewired only and demonstrate to me how this woofer is louder then the 2x 12's that were originally in your car.

You can have who ever rewire the system, and if you can show me that this woofer is operating ok and is louder then I will refund you completely. But if the amplifier, subwoofer or any part of your system shuts down, the refund is off and you will publically apologize to us on all the forums you have posted us on.

BreakingBad
07-03-2007, 08:34 PM
dude honestly, i don't have the energy time or patience to continue this issue. it's been dragged on way too long, weeks/days if that, and i'm not dealing with it anymore.

ed, you knew from the start that you guys wired the sub wrong. if you would have came to me and said "what can i do, because we obviously wired it wrong".. that would have been fine. but you said "i didnt notice a difference in output" when clearly it was a night and day difference.

for you to "defend" yourself and come on forums attempting to call me a retard when i have video and pictures to show the issues i referred to, is stupid. now that its been what... like 2 weeks since all this happened, you are now saying you'll issue me a refund if i come and do things under your supervision with a certain setup.

i don't ever honestly want to step foot in your store again unfortunately for you. oh yes it would be nice to have a refund but you know what you didn't deal with me, the customer, the right way in the first place which is what matters to me.

MOVE ON.

dozens of people watched this unfold, and even though you say "thank you for your support".. i dont know who you are referring to.. your little buds who signed up when you told them to come post here? no. the people who watched this unfold saw the truth and saw that you guys ****ed up in multiple areas.

i'm taking care of the problems, i have new parts ordered and thats that. seriously, move the **** on dude.

Nutz
07-03-2007, 08:40 PM
Your wish is granted, have these posts deleted and you will never hear from me again, until then I will keep responding to defend our ground. As you have posted enough questions online and have demonstrated that every problem that you have is what we warned you about.

Thank you for your business. and our offer stands show us the system working by another shop and we will refund.

BreakingBad
07-03-2007, 08:50 PM
Your wish is granted, have these posts deleted and you will never hear from me again, until then I will keep responding to defend our ground. As you have posted enough questions online and have demonstrated that every problem that you have is what we warned you about.

Thank you for your business. and our offer stands show us the system working by another shop and we will refund.

even if, and this is for reference only, even IF the issues that i had started before i even brought my car to you you should have been glad to issue me a refund when you realized that the sub was wired wrong. simple as that. but you went off denying there was a difference, blah blah blah, this and that.

honestly, due to that factor and that factor alone, i will not take you up on your offer. i'm not a stubborn person nor a person who can't compromise like i said from the beginning. how about my offer.. man up, admit you wired the **** wrong in the first place (which cost me time off work and gas money to come get it re-wired CORRECTLY), refund me the install labor for the 1/2 hour you have listed @ $60 (59.99 x .5 on the invoice) through paypal and your wish for these threads to be deleted will be granted. if you are willing to take me up on that, i will gladly drop this entire issue. but that whole thing about me putting back on my stock alt, driving down to your shop to "prove you wrong"..not happening. dont have the time, equipment or patience like i said. i got more hours at work, a relationship and a million other things on my plate right now and proving you wrong isn't at the top.

so, if you are interested in ending this, PM me, i will send you my paypal email and we can get this settled. otherwise, it will continue until one of us is banned and/or the thread is closed.

Nutz
07-03-2007, 09:00 PM
I guess that is that. We won't refund because we don't feel we did anything wrong, after reviewing the vehicle twice.

And you can't prove that we did something wrong, because you don't have time.......

Sums up the story ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately we are both stubborn and have to both get the last word in, so I am sure we are going to get a response here. From a person with to busy of a life to worry about this forum.

Unfortunately it is my job as a Team Nutz employee to know everything that is happening about my shop, so I guess I have to keep doing my job. :)

BreakingBad
07-03-2007, 09:04 PM
I guess that is that. We won't refund because we don't feel we did anything wrong, after reviewing the vehicle twice.

And you can't prove that we did something wrong, because you don't have time.......

Sums up the story ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately we are both stubborn and have to both get the last word in, so I am sure we are going to get a response here. From a person with to busy of a life to worry about this forum.

Unfortunately it is my job as a Team Nutz employee to know everything that is happening about my shop, so I guess I have to keep doing my job. :)

What kind of businessman are you to say "YOU CANT PROVE WE DID ANYTHING WRONG".

this is not about proving someone wrong dude. deep down, regardless if you let your employees know or people on these forums know, deep down you know that it was wired wrong. you said to me on the phone "there is no output". then all of a sudden when you re-do the wiring in a different manner, magically.. BASS! night and day difference my friend. you know that. i'm not asking for much, i'm asking for a PM, a 60 dollar refund, and thats that. but, 60 dollars is too much for you to satisfy a customer. you are more gung-ho to "prove someone wrong" (even though you cant) than to satisfy a customer. but, instead of "ok man listen. i apologize for all the ****, lets settle this, heres your refund, are we cool?" i got the "YOU CANT PROVE WE DID ANYTHING WRONG" defense.

i guess i just have different morals and standards than you.

Nutz
07-03-2007, 09:35 PM
So lets get this straight:
We do what you asked us to do.
We notice what you asked us to do was not going to work.
We asked you to not play the system until it is fixed.
You ask us to look over it again
We do as you ask,
We find a subwoofer that is playing fine, but an amp that is not,
We tell you to fix the car first so you don't damage it.
You play the system anyways
Damage was done to maybe your sub and amp because you turned the radio on
You did what we said not to.
You friend online said it would be ok
You listened to them.
And we have to refund you.

Maybe your morals should say, well if I listened to Team Nutz the first time, all of this would not have happened.

Maybe your friends on ROE should refund you, are they not the ones that know what they are talking about, they helped you adjust your own system.

But no, its easier to blame Team Nutz for my own stupidity.

And for some reason after you took the car to several other stereo shops, they have not been able to fix the car. If its just a simple wiring issue, they could of fixed it and you would have been on your way: PROVIDED, you don't play the system while it is so called wired wrong, or how about DESIGNED wrong.

For the record the design that you came up with yourself, not from us.

Did you call Ohio Generator yet? or can't face the fact that a professional is going to tell you the same thing that I stated, As long as you do everything I don't tell you maybe your system will never work, I guess that is what you want.

BreakingBad
07-03-2007, 09:46 PM
So lets get this straight:
We do what you asked us to do. (Except you didnt wire the sub right)*
We notice what you asked us to do was not going to work. (You made no mention of this, you told me to buy a 3,000 watt amp.)*
We asked you to not play the system until it is fixed. (You played it anyway and even told me you smelled something burning. I didnt play it.)*
You ask us to look over it again (Because i had no bass..)*
We do as you ask,
We find a subwoofer that is playing fine, but an amp that is not, (Uh, you wired it wrong, then you wired it to where it worked and had an output almost triple what it originally had)*
We tell you to fix the car first so you don't damage it. (you could have damaged it in the first place by wiring the sub wrong)*
You play the system anyways (where do you get this idea? i played to test it just as YOU did.)*
Damage was done to maybe your sub and amp because you turned the radio on
You did what we said not to.
You friend online said it would be ok
You listened to them.
And we have to refund you.

Maybe your morals should say, well if I listened to Team Nutz the first time, all of this would not have happened. (If i listened to you, i would be off worse than i currently am. Ask anyone who saw pictures of my original setup)*

Maybe your friends on ROE should refund you, are they not the ones that know what they are talking about, they helped you adjust your own system. (I trust guys who have 5, 10, 15, 25+ years experience pushing 10-20,000 watts on their own systems)*

But no, its easier to blame Team Nutz for my own stupidity. (So, you wiring the sub wrong is my fault somehow? good one.)*

And for some reason after you took the car to several other stereo shops, they have not been able to fix the car. If its just a simple wiring issue, they could of fixed it and you would have been on your way: PROVIDED, you don't play the system while it is so called wired wrong, or how about DESIGNED wrong. (i already have an appointment. amp will be taken care of too.)*

For the record the design that you came up with yourself, not from us. (what, the angle of the box? come on dude.)*

Did you call Ohio Generator yet? or can't face the fact that a professional is going to tell you the same thing that I stated, As long as you do everything I don't tell you maybe your system will never work, I guess that is what you want.

read the quote, my responses are in paranthesis with *'s

you keep skirting the main issue here.

this is not about my alternator, or my amp, or anything else for that matter.

bottom line: the sub had maybe 5% output when you ORIGINALLY installed it. regardless of issues with alternator or amp, you re-wired it IN FRONT of me, then it went to about 80-90% output. how does that make me wrong?

like i said, you are not a businessman i would want to continue doing business with, simple as that. you had your chance to man up about the wiring issue, but you keep diverting the attention away from that onto other issues that i'm not even complaining about.

Nutz
07-03-2007, 10:06 PM
The first time you left, we did not turn it up because we didn't want you to damage anything.

The second time you were there we went over everything, turned the gains back up and we agreed, it sounded fine. But I told you to be careful because if the sub was making a burning smell before, it will probably happen again, Get your voltage fixed first and then we will look over everything from there. (that is what we agreed.) This is also when we talked about US Amps recommendations.

And now here we are, arguing like a married couple online. Because you can't take any responsibilities to your actions of simply turning up the volume on the radio to the point of damaging a sub. (Which you admit to having on Video). Sorry I am out of employees to be with you and make sure that you don't play your radio loud to help prevent you from damaging your system.

I guess I should have removed all the equipment, gave you your money back and said have a nice day.

Lesson I learned, if the equipment is not purchased from us and the system does not work properly we should never touch it, even if the customer insists. All the money in the world is not worth the headache from people like you.

But "The Customer knows Best" that is what they say.

BreakingBad
07-03-2007, 10:26 PM
The first time you left, we did not turn it up because we didn't want you to damage anything.

The second time you were there we went over everything, turned the gains back up and we agreed, it sounded fine. But I told you to be careful because if the sub was making a burning smell before, it will probably happen again, Get your voltage fixed first and then we will look over everything from there. (that is what we agreed.) This is also when we talked about US Amps recommendations.

And now here we are, arguing like a married couple online. Because you can't take any responsibilities to your actions of simply turning up the volume on the radio to the point of damaging a sub. (Which you admit to having on Video). Sorry I am out of employees to be with you and make sure that you don't play your radio loud to help prevent you from damaging your system.

I guess I should have removed all the equipment, gave you your money back and said have a nice day.

Lesson I learned, if the equipment is not purchased from us and the system does not work properly we should never touch it, even if the customer insists. All the money in the world is not worth the headache from people like you.

But "The Customer knows Best" that is what they say.

lmao dude, you obviously missed about 20 pages of details on ROE.

give it up already. you don't know what you're talking about, and to prove my point the video i have is with my HEAD UNIT AT VOLUME 0. ARE YOU BLIND?

Nutz
07-03-2007, 10:35 PM
Last Word is the name of the Game

surftb15
07-03-2007, 10:44 PM
:bsflag:

from what I understand, sublime came on here and posted his feelings towards the Nutz shop, which is fine.

Now Nutz made a perfectly legitimate offer regarding this issue to handle it once and for all and sublime doesn't go for it.

IMO, Nutz and Sublime should meet in neutral territory, after all Sublime said he wouldnt go into the Nutz shop, to see who is right. Bring some video camera and take some pictures and then things will get sorted out.

Im not saying either party is right or wrong, just people need to put money where their mouth is.

BreakingBad
07-03-2007, 11:05 PM
unfortunately what this all comes down to is my word versus his. he knows the truth just as i do, but again my word versus his.

there is no way to settle this. i showed all 5 co-workers the issues, they saw it when i first returned, they heard it when i returned the second time. they saw all the issues. family and other friends saw them too. they all know what i went through and the issues i encountered.

ed has his shop and his employee's which will obviously side with him since he uh.. pays their salaries.

anyway, like i said, there is no way to settle this which is why i said take your lost business and move on. he still wants to chime in talking about irrelevant **** which i don't understand why. i couldn't care less about the last word, but when you reply with a direct challenge to my integrity, of course i will reply.

i should have honestly taken a video recording of it as soon as i drove it away the first time. it would be the icebreaker; end-all. but, i didn't think this far ahead which isn't necessarily my fault or 'my bad', but i mean come on who would expect to have all the issues i did and then think "oh, i have a feeling later on down the line the owner of the shop will challenge my word, i think i should record video to prove him wrong JUST INCASE THAT HAPPENS"

so like i said, let it drop, i did my review, i don't agree with the way i was treated as a customer nor was i satisfied with the service i received. i'm running into issues with my vehicle that were present when my sx's were installed (ie the power wire under my hood FALLING out of the fuse block)

i'm taking the loss, i'm doing BETTER research and talking to more educated people. simple as that. ed can sit here make up stories, talk about how wrong i am, make up lies to make himself and his company look good, but the proof is over at ROE. i dont need to say anything else.

BreakingBad
07-03-2007, 11:09 PM
:bsflag:

from what I understand, sublime came on here and posted his feelings towards the Nutz shop, which is fine.

Now Nutz made a perfectly legitimate offer regarding this issue to handle it once and for all and sublime doesn't go for it.

IMO, Nutz and Sublime should meet in neutral territory, after all Sublime said he wouldnt go into the Nutz shop, to see who is right. Bring some video camera and take some pictures and then things will get sorted out.

Im not saying either party is right or wrong, just people need to put money where their mouth is.

the only thing i must critisize in this post is the fact that you say he made a "legitimate offer" and i didn't accept.

thats not how the retail business works. i should have been made an offer for a refund on the install when he obviously saw that he wired it the wrong way. not weeks later, after i was basically called an idiot, lied to and told i was wrong over and over.

listen. he calls me and says i have "no bass" and that he will "never sell an RE XXX ever again because you need a million watts to move the **** thing" <(EXACT QUOTE FROM ED). upon driving the vehicle, my buddy didn't even hear me playing anything and he was directly behind me. my 12's can be heard from blocks away.. so can this xxx.. but directly behind me and didnt hear ****. there was literally NO bass.

i then have him re-wire it in front of me, and while they are test playing it, a customer in their shop said "oh shiiiit is that your truck???????!"

there was an obvious major difference in output but ed realized "oh ****, if i admit i wired it wrong that kind of screws me" and pulled the denial card along with the "you cant prove we wired it wrong" defense.

again, which is why this will go nowhere.

Twistid
07-04-2007, 12:28 PM
well obviously anyone in pennsylvania lookin for a shop will read this and think twice about going to "team nutz"

BreakingBad
07-04-2007, 02:07 PM
i hope they do. it seems to me that unless they're makin hundreds off you, if not thousands, good luck with getting a GOOD install.

oh yeah hey ed, i took my 12's out to REWIRE them also, since you obviously had those wired wrong also, i had ALAN KEYS HANGING OFF THE MAGNETS. yes you heard that right, there were 2 alan keys stuck to the magnet of one of the 12's.

oh and i guess you guys just do perfect installs huh? so what have i found already.. lazy job on my ground, alan keys stuck to the magnet's of my 12's, power wire has FELL out of the fuse block under my hood, my 18 was wired wrong.. should i keep going?

honestly, i'd suggest places like Auto Illusions or Total Image over team nutz any day of the week.

don't be lured in by their awards, because honestly think about it.. what does it show? it shows that when they are put on the spot in public they can do a good job (on their own vehicles) but when it comes to a customers' vehicle, especially one that had parts that WERENT purchased at their shop.. oo.. surprise.. it was ****ed up!!

mooferman
07-04-2007, 02:54 PM
Mind my own business. This is my business you fvcking retard. You have no clue who the fvck you are talking too. I know what was said to sublime and I know EVERYTHING. You need to man up and give the guy his refund. Your install reminds me of a few "ghetto" installs I see come through. I bet you don't know what the - and + means on the amp do ya. Go shoot yourself, and may everyone in Pittsburg read this and NEVER go to your shop. I would get in touch with the newspaper Sublime :)

BreakingBad
07-04-2007, 03:03 PM
Mind my own business. This is my business you fvcking retard. You have no clue who the fvck you are talking too. I know what was said to sublime and I know EVERYTHING. You need to man up and give the guy his refund. Your install reminds me of a few "ghetto" installs I see come through. I bet you don't know what the - and + means on the amp do ya. Go shoot yourself, and may everyone in Pittsburg read this and NEVER go to your shop. I would get in touch with the newspaper Sublime :)

lmao.

too bad i won't ever see another dollar from them, because i have to go alter my car just to "prove him wrong" at which point i would THEN be refunded a whole $60.

truth of the matter is i should have been issued the $60 the second he saw they wired it wrong. but ed is too much of a little girl to man up and admit to the mistake and say sorry. he's so bullheaded that he has actually convinced himself that he is right. its ****ing hilarious. i plan on moving on and learning to do **** myself, rather than fork out hundreds of dollars to a shop that denies mistakes and uses their awards as a defense. on top of that, who the hell sells an SX 12 for 399.99? LMAO i got ripped a new one on that deal!!

BreakingBad
07-04-2007, 03:08 PM
another thing i find hilarious is that to this day he is saying "Thank you for your support, we hope this doesnt tarnish our 'outstanding' reputation"

........what support? who the HELL on these forums (or realm of excursion) has actually supported you in your defense? what like your 2 installers who ran home got on their computer, signed up and posted here? come on. everyone who has read the ROE thread, saw the details, pictures and video have already came to the same conclusion - you're a retard, your setup in my vehicle ******, i was too naive to notice the first time but not this time. you have 0 SUPPORT on caraudio.com or ROE.com. the only 'support' you have like i said is your little buddies with 1 post who solely signed up here to defend you when they -probably- don't even know what the hell happened in the first place. and if by some RARE chance you have a CA/ROE vet come posting in your defense, they probably didn't read the ROE thread and/or are a personal friend of yours.. which still means you have no support.

i dont even have to keep repeating myself. why the hell would i start a thread entitled "07 XXX - 1500W dont do ****" if i didn't have a problem in the first place. one of THE longest threads on ROE, so it kind of says something. if i had bass in the first place, why would i say 1500W dont do ****?

ed still thinks his credibility level is still above 0. dude thinks you need to put 3,000watts on a 2,000W sub to, and i quote, "BARELY GET IT MOVING" LMFAO

Nutz
07-05-2007, 04:32 PM
He won't take us on our offer, because he can not prove us wrong. Its not a matter of spit, its not a matter of show vehicle or not. Majority of our trophies are won by customer cars.

This is all about us giving advise to a customer, him not listening to it, listen to someone online, damaging his system, and then asking us to refund. Why should be refund the installation that we did that worked properly. You can say that all these things happened to your system now that you are online bashing us, but funny everything worked for 9 months, and we didn't rewire the car, we rewired the sub box. If we did something wrong we would be glad to refund, but he can not show us in person where we did something wrong. Especially now that he tore everything out and had someone else redo. And even after they did there work he is still posting that he is having the same trouble. So if all these shops are having problems, there must be a common denominator, called his vehicle.

This is like if I walked into Matt's Vitamin store, took weight loss pills, sat on the couch and complained about them and demanded my money back, because my lazy azz sat on the couch. I know a vitamin store wouldn't give me my money back if I didn't lose weight. Maybe they should according to Matts analogy.

Why should we give money back to someone on labor that we did correctly. Told him that he was going to have trouble unless he fixed his voltage problem. If you don't bad things will happen. Funny here we are, and what happened, exactly what we said.

So make up what you want about us, everyone will see through this.

mooferman
07-05-2007, 06:41 PM
Your an idiot. You told the man under powering a sub by 500 rms will damage it. End of story. You don't know chit.

Mooferman..... out

mooferman
07-05-2007, 06:41 PM
Your an idiot. You told the man under powering a sub by 500 rms will damage it. End of story. You don't know chit.

Mooferman..... out

Nutz
07-05-2007, 07:17 PM
If we were actually talking about 500 watts rms. I bet if that amp was tested in that car, it wasn't putting out more than 1000 watts peak, because of voltage drop below 11 volts, who is the idiot now.

mooferman
07-06-2007, 11:54 AM
onsidering the man had aftermarket alt and so forth, it shouldn't have dropped that low. Your an idiot.

AudioAnonymous
07-06-2007, 12:13 PM
Hey Nutz guys. Hope to see you at World Finals this year. Are you guys going to be there in SM3-4?

BreakingBad
07-06-2007, 12:25 PM
He won't take us on our offer, because he can not prove us wrong. Its not a matter of spit, its not a matter of show vehicle or not. Majority of our trophies are won by customer cars.

This is all about us giving advise to a customer, him not listening to it, listen to someone online, damaging his system, and then asking us to refund. Why should be refund the installation that we did that worked properly. You can say that all these things happened to your system now that you are online bashing us, but funny everything worked for 9 months, and we didn't rewire the car, we rewired the sub box. If we did something wrong we would be glad to refund, but he can not show us in person where we did something wrong. Especially now that he tore everything out and had someone else redo. And even after they did there work he is still posting that he is having the same trouble. So if all these shops are having problems, there must be a common denominator, called his vehicle.

This is like if I walked into Matt's Vitamin store, took weight loss pills, sat on the couch and complained about them and demanded my money back, because my lazy azz sat on the couch. I know a vitamin store wouldn't give me my money back if I didn't lose weight. Maybe they should according to Matts analogy.

Why should we give money back to someone on labor that we did correctly. Told him that he was going to have trouble unless he fixed his voltage problem. If you don't bad things will happen. Funny here we are, and what happened, exactly what we said.

So make up what you want about us, everyone will see through this.

lmao dude what don't you get? how exactly did i "listen to people online" and "damage my system"?

my complaint was that you wired my sub wrong. again here you go off beating around the bush avoiding the main issue.

you wired my sub wrong. everything else is not relevant.

Nutz
07-06-2007, 04:52 PM
Moof: If you read, we were asked to put his factory alt back in the car, which then caused the voltage to drop to 11 volts. I told him this and he said he wouldn't play the system until it was fixed. Obviously didn't listen because the amp left us playing and several weeks later and several posts it now doesn't because of low voltage. So make sure you know what your talking about before you put a foot in your mouth........

Sublime: Your hopeless....We tried to help you ignored everything we recommended and here you are today. A simple thing could have avoided all of this if you were patient and listened to us. Maybe when you get everything back you will have everything check like we recommended or you will keep having return issues. Ask US they will tell you what happened to the amp when they get it.........There was no wiring issues there was a volume happy customer with low voltage that was warned.


Geoff: what up dude, not sure on the van yet. We will be there with at lease 1 of 2 vehicles. As for SM3-4, George has not been down since SBN, I think he is in financial trouble. Well see what happens. Keep in touch.

BreakingBad
07-06-2007, 04:56 PM
Lol you really do have the attention span of a 3 year old.

Since when did i blame you for my alternator, amp or any other issue BESIDES wiring the sub wrong?

You are diverting the blame away from wiring it wrong, and putting it on other issues in an attempt to make ME look like the *******/bad guy.

It's not going to work.

You ****ed up on my sub. You wired it wrong. You should of manned up to the problem, issued me a refund and asked how you could help. You didn't do that.

You to this day still lie lie lie lie lie just to save your (******) reputation. I don't care dude. You wired my sub wrong, simple as that.

I'm taking care of my **** based on knowledge of more experienced people. Watch, give me 2 1/2 weeks watch how i have a video of my 18 working perfectly fine.. and alas.. i'll be doing it myself! I guaratee it works 10 times better than when you guys ****ed with it. And i don't even own a shop.

Do us all a favor, stop breathing.

End

Nutz
07-06-2007, 05:15 PM
Wishing someone to die is not very nice. A good christian would not wish that.....

Anyway.....What makes a sub move......ah.....an amp,

What makes an amplifier work......ah....a battery.

And what charges a battery.....ah an alternator.....

So if you don't have an alternator working good enough, the battery does not get charged. If the battery is not charged it does not allow the amplfier to function properly.....And when an amplifier can not deliver power that you know it can when in the right envirnoment, you then force it out of the amplifier by something called distortion. And if you ask any subwoofer manufaction the most common killer of a subwoofer is DISTORTION.......

So there is how basic car audio is explained to show how the sub was damaged. Even after it was wired twice in front of the customer the alternators and battery voltage was never fixed..........So even when the customer seen that the sub was wired correctly and everything work, but was told not to turn the volume up. The equipment didn't damage itself. It was played in a bad enviroment.

Make sense Moofer, I am sure you will have a comment of how I am an idiot, but its basic and clear.........

So our customer service ***** because we told you what you were going to do. At least I warned you, some shops don't. It was up to listen and have a system today or not listen and damage it as we said.

Thank you for keep showing us that we were correct.

BreakingBad
07-06-2007, 05:34 PM
what kind of businessman are you to:

1.) Threaten to sue the customer for slander due to being upset he wrote a bad review.

2.) Tell the customer he's an idiot and shouldn't be critisizing anything.

3.) Make rude comments about the customer's personal habits.

4.) Make rude comments about the customer's religion.

right there, if i was reading this, based on those alone i would not even want to remotely deal with you as a businessman. you are a piece of **** in my book, a master manipulator when it comes to what people say and how you twist it to make you look good and you are a liar.

my opinion, i'm entitled to it.

CA.com doesn't matter really. the proof is over at ROE.

AudioAnonymous
07-06-2007, 06:40 PM
I read the whole thing and I would do business with him. I wouldn't do business with you though. You cry too **** much. Isn't it time to move on with your life? Why waste it over something sooo minute?

BreakingBad
07-06-2007, 08:01 PM
I read the whole thing and I would do business with him. I wouldn't do business with you though. You cry too **** much. Isn't it time to move on with your life? Why waste it over something sooo minute?

what are you playing devil's advocate or something?

big talk for such a little boy. this is the internet. do you really think i give two shits about what you say or how you say it? you got something else to say i'd be glad to hear it in person.

anyway, you must have an IQ of 40 if you read the entire ROE thread and agree with gerbilnuts. i went there looking for help with a stereo problem. i explained the issues, and ideas were given about what it could be. i know a little about basic electricity i had it for 2 years in high school, even though they don't delve all that deep into electrical systems i have a basic understanding that if you wire something properly, it should work properly.

my sub was not wired properly. i was not given a refund for a screwed up install (not to mention the ground they used, the alan keys attached to the magnet's of my 12s and the power wire *falling out of the fuse block under the hood) and i was told i was a liar and an idiot.

i cry too much? then why don't you just take 2 g's, flush it down the toilet, watch it go.. then right before grab it before it goes down. that feeling? yeah thats about how i felt with my ****.

you do not know me, or what happened for that matter and for the simple fact you uttered those words you're a stupid mother ****er too.

Nutz
07-06-2007, 10:17 PM
Now he is starting to feel like we do at Team Nutz. You are not only trying to damage our reputation here as a shop that directly effects me personally, but you are also trying to damage a business that supports Seven individuals with several of them having families. You may cry that you damaged your own equipment and try to push blame on someone else, but I am going to defend myself and the employees underneath me.

That is where I am responsible for first. My employees come first, and the customers that work with us also come first. But those that won't to spend there time talking trash and making us look bad, you only make yourself look bad, because yes, I have repeatly shown that we did nothing wrong to your subs.

The only thing we wired wrong, was wiring them in the first place. We should have told you to hit the road, but instead we believed you would listen to us and get your voltage fixed as you said you would.

Face it you damaged your own equipment and now you have to live with it.

And keep posting on this site and other sites, all you keep doing is giving my website more hits and driving more business to me. Thank you

I appreaciate the support Geoff.......(another nationally recoginized competitor)

Nutz
07-06-2007, 10:35 PM
I believe this is your quote Sublime said on www.RealmofExcursion.com in the Alternator section, so you say one thing and then say another in a different section, more proof that your goal is to just make us look bad, when in fact you knew you had problems that we warned you about, come on now, just delete this before you contradict yourself more:

Under KMK his other name.

KMK:
"this is what happened..

i had a stock 105amp alt on my car. worked flawlessly with stock battery & 1 yellow top in the trunk for my sx 12's.

figured i would upgrade to a 200amp alt just to be on the safe side.

after putting the delco 200amp on, i had a humming coming from my subs. apparently it was because of a bad ground.

i took it to team nutz in pittsburgh, they installed a yellow top under my hood and i asked them to put my stock alt back on. they said the voltage was "dropping like crazy" when it NEVER did before. bass was cutting out, coming in distorted, etc.
so i went ahead and got 1/0 stinger wire for the alt -> positive battery terminal. installed alternator, turned car on, everything worked, within 5 minutes i had smelled a burning smell and the bass cut out completely. we have no clue what the hell is wrong with it, i just placed an order for a custom 200a EA alt, but i'm afraid to even put that on if something else is wrong.

what the hell are the chances that 2 seperate alternators are producing the same symptoms? we're checking the alt's voltage today after work and checking all the connections. they also put 2 fuse blocks in the trunk with that battery, so nothing except a yellow top under the hood and the fuse blocks were changed/added. im so clueless.. SAME symptoms on 2 seperate alternators.

if we check the alt and the voltage is fine - what the hell could be the problem? amp f'd?"

BreakingBad
07-07-2007, 12:26 PM
DUDE ARE YOU ****ING RETARDED?

Since you cannot understand modern english, let me explain it to you as i would my 10 year old nephew:

1.) I NEVER blamed Team Nutz for anything regarding my alternator or amp.

2.) I blamed Team Nutz for wiring my sub wrong. Thats it.

Nutz, what you like to do is take what i say, and respond to it addressing something not even related.

Yes i had an issue with my amp, that's being taken care of. Never blamed you or your company. Yes i had alternator issues, never blamed you or your company.

What i DO hold you accountable for is wiring my sub COMPLETELY wrong. THATS IT. Get that through your thick skull.

"I'm out to make Team Nutz look bad"

Come on retard, i walked away in september with no complaints. Why the HELL would i just start a complaint and write a bad review for no reason? I'm not that type of person, anyone who knows me will tell you that.

Lets see what team nut balls did:


- Called customer a liar, idiot
- Called customer's religion into question (VERY unneccessary)
- Called customer's personal habits into question
- Skirted the main issue of wiring the sub wrong by bringing up alternator and amp problems
- Denied any refund
- Threatened to sue me

thats all i got to say. ed, you can keep replying bringing up my amp, alternator, whatever the hell you want but the point being is you are not a businessman i want to deal with, ever. anyone with a brain can see why.

Not only that, Nutz has also said:

- I need 3,000 watts on a 2,000W max sub (RE XXX)
- Underpowering a sub 500W will 'severely damage the sub' <lol.

They also:

- Installed ground with small screws to the PAINTED metal of my backseats;
- Power wire FELL out of the fuse block under the hood with a gentle nudge;
- Alan keys hanging off magnets of my 12's;
- 12's also wired wrong when we took them out of the box;
- Blew fuses multiple times when i came to pickup my 12's, me and my boss watched the installer replace it 2 or 3 times.


on top of all that, they literally destroyed the interior of my car with wood cuttings, dirt, carpet and didn't even bother cleaning it up.

Dude, you ****. Just because you have the ABILITY to do a "good" job on a vehicle doesn't mean that the job you did on mine was even remotely close to "good". The only thing your awards show is that you can do a good job when you WANT to. thats it.

Keep going ed, the more you continue this the more it makes me want to start contacting newspapers and local news stations about a company that royally screwed an install on my car which could have potentially led to thousands of dollars in repairs. Keep it up.

Nutz
07-07-2007, 01:49 PM
What ever makes you feel good about yourself......

The sub was wired correctly and left our shop working. Don't understand the issue other than you want to continue this post......

Anything else you want to add to your story make you look good, because your stories are getting old, as you add another issue everytime you type a new post.

Grow up and move on. We did our job to what you wanted, you paid for what you asked us to do, and actually we gave you over a 50% discount.

And if you were so happy with us back in August then why did you call US to complain about us before you came to us. Oh yeah you were trying to con them into giving your vitamin shop a car audio dealer account. I should of never took your business back then, but I did it for them........

Keep up the lies, everyone will see through you.

BreakingBad
07-07-2007, 03:22 PM
What ever makes you feel good about yourself......

The sub was wired correctly and left our shop working. Don't understand the issue other than you want to continue this post......

Not the first time, and you know that. I had to come back (as you already have admitted on the forums) and have it re-wired in front of me. Which we didn't have time to check anyway. So again, you're wrong.


Anything else you want to add to your story make you look good, because your stories are getting old, as you add another issue everytime you type a new post.

It's not my fault that i keep finding **** YOU guys ****ed up on. From the start i thought it was just wiring the sub wrong, you scratched the **** out of the magnet and basket, i will take pictures to prove you did so, because i have pictures of it the day before i brought it into you..not to mention the fuse / power wire issue, the ground issue, the alan keys on my 12's magnets, the list goes on. there are 2 or 3 other things i could bring up but i won't for the simple fact you think im "making things up" and "adding issues". dude, i have 6 witnesses, all co-workers who see my car on a daily basis and i've been doing all the work there. I don't need to lie to you, I don't lie to them, they SEE the **** you guys did, they will have my back on every word that i have uttered on CA.com or ROE.


Grow up and move on. We did our job to what you wanted, you paid for what you asked us to do, and actually we gave you over a 50% discount.

You did the job, but half-assed and with mistakes and errors that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

Discount? Excuse me? Last i checked i paid for retail for everything. The invoice says it all. What i was charged were the rates you said they were. You made no mention to me of any discount, so that shouldn't matter what-so-ever.


And if you were so happy with us back in August then why did you call US to complain about us before you came to us. Oh yeah you were trying to con them into giving your vitamin shop a car audio dealer account. I should of never took your business back then, but I did it for them........

First, i never complained to US. I called them originally to ask what retail prices were on things, and i compared their MSRP to your Retail price. How is that complaining? They said MSRP for my amp was what you guys were selling it for, simple as that.

The second time i called was a on the spot interest with me and 2 of my co-workers to see what the deal would be in selling subs in an off-shute of my current store's showroom. Right off the bat he told me there is a 10 mile dealer distance, and you were only 4 or 5 away so it wasn't possible. I said okay then nevermind then. That was it. There was no discussion in pricing, me trying to 'con' them into anything, nada. Whoever your talking to is blowing smoke up your *** like always.. and let me guess.. Greg? lmao. Get a life dude.


Keep up the lies, everyone will see through you.

Yep, i'm sure they'll see through a customer who went through a ton of **** with 1 visit to your shop. Are they going to believe someone who comes on out of nowhere to CA/ROE, threatens to sue his own customer, call him an idiot and a liar, lie and deceive people about underlying issues (electrical ground, etc.) and act like a total idiot. I'm sure they'll believe you.

Again, the only people who support you in this matter are your nut(s) buddies, who have signed up on these forums in an attempt to "support" you, and 1 guy who doesn't know what the **** he's talking about. Wide base of support huh?

I can collect about 15-25 usernames (as you like to use) right now if i spent the time of people who called you out on your ignorance and stupidity, have agreed and saw the issues i went through, saw the pictures, saw the video.. and you keep claiming this level of "support" and you hope "they see through my lies"

lmao dude, i have absolutely no-one to lie to. why would i waste the time out of my life to come here and write lies about your dimwitted company? i wrote a review. it was negative. you cried. and cried some more. thats what this boils down to.

AudioAnonymous
07-08-2007, 01:20 AM
Now he is starting to feel like we do at Team Nutz. You are not only trying to damage our reputation here as a shop that directly effects me personally, but you are also trying to damage a business that supports Seven individuals with several of them having families. You may cry that you damaged your own equipment and try to push blame on someone else, but I am going to defend myself and the employees underneath me.

That is where I am responsible for first. My employees come first, and the customers that work with us also come first. But those that won't to spend there time talking trash and making us look bad, you only make yourself look bad, because yes, I have repeatly shown that we did nothing wrong to your subs.

The only thing we wired wrong, was wiring them in the first place. We should have told you to hit the road, but instead we believed you would listen to us and get your voltage fixed as you said you would.

Face it you damaged your own equipment and now you have to live with it.

And keep posting on this site and other sites, all you keep doing is giving my website more hits and driving more business to me. Thank you

I appreaciate the support Geoff.......(another nationally recoginized competitor)
Just go about your business. Nowadays you got kids trying to start drama over such petty stuff. What is done is done and there is no changing the past. I would move on and forget this. Learn from your mistakes. Stuff happens!!! Live and learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not nationally recognized yet. someday maybe. lol

to Sublime: Your absolutely right. I'm a retard with a low IQ. Thanks for reminding me.

BreakingBad
07-08-2007, 05:19 PM
Just go about your business. Nowadays you got kids trying to start drama over such petty stuff. What is done is done and there is no changing the past. I would move on and forget this. Learn from your mistakes. Stuff happens!!! Live and learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not nationally recognized yet. someday maybe. lol

to Sublime: Your absolutely right. I'm a retard with a low IQ. Thanks for reminding me.

then don't act like it. if you read the situation and can understand where i'm coming from, there's no way in hell you can agree with him on any part of this matter. or, the other option, is that you know him and/or are 'cool' with him and are just taking his side to take his side.

so i take it if you walked into a best buy, bought a nice new $500 digital camera, opened the box and saw that it was basically broken into pieces, would you just "take it and move on" and "forget about such petty stuff"? no. unless you are a retard, which you have yet to establish and you're not off to a good start by supporting a business that did a very bad install on the same customer, twice.

you agreed and sided with a company who jipped me out of a good install on GOOD equipment. for the simple fact that someone brought and/or had re/us amps equipment installed i would WANT to install it right because that **** can do some serious damage when the right equipment is used with a nice setup.

my sub was wired completely wrong, which anyone who knows what the hell the definition of ohms is can understand the concept of how that can damage a speaker. a 2,000+ dollar speaker at that.

but i guess a system close to 4-5,000 retail in all (batts, alts, amp, wiring, sub, box, etc etc) is "too petty" to worry about anything.

lmao@that. i don't need to repeat myself, but i will:

BreakingBad
07-08-2007, 05:21 PM
DUDE ARE YOU ****ING RETARDED?

Since you cannot understand modern english, let me explain it to you as i would my 10 year old nephew:

1.) I NEVER blamed Team Nutz for anything regarding my alternator or amp.

2.) I blamed Team Nutz for wiring my sub wrong. Thats it.

Nutz, what you like to do is take what i say, and respond to it addressing something not even related.

Yes i had an issue with my amp, that's being taken care of. Never blamed you or your company. Yes i had alternator issues, never blamed you or your company.

What i DO hold you accountable for is wiring my sub COMPLETELY wrong. THATS IT. Get that through your thick skull.

"I'm out to make Team Nutz look bad"

Come on retard, i walked away in september with no complaints. Why the HELL would i just start a complaint and write a bad review for no reason? I'm not that type of person, anyone who knows me will tell you that.

Lets see what team nut balls did:


- Called customer a liar, idiot
- Called customer's religion into question (VERY unneccessary)
- Called customer's personal habits into question
- Skirted the main issue of wiring the sub wrong by bringing up alternator and amp problems
- Denied any refund
- Threatened to sue me

thats all i got to say. ed, you can keep replying bringing up my amp, alternator, whatever the hell you want but the point being is you are not a businessman i want to deal with, ever. anyone with a brain can see why.

Not only that, Nutz has also said:

- I need 3,000 watts on a 2,000W max sub (RE XXX)
- Underpowering a sub 500W will 'severely damage the sub' <lol.

They also:

- Installed ground with small screws to the PAINTED metal of my backseats;
- Power wire FELL out of the fuse block under the hood with a gentle nudge;
- Alan keys hanging off magnets of my 12's;
- 12's also wired wrong when we took them out of the box;
- Blew fuses multiple times when i came to pickup my 12's, me and my boss watched the installer replace it 2 or 3 times.


on top of all that, they literally destroyed the interior of my car with wood cuttings, dirt, carpet and didn't even bother cleaning it up.

Dude, you ****. Just because you have the ABILITY to do a "good" job on a vehicle doesn't mean that the job you did on mine was even remotely close to "good". The only thing your awards show is that you can do a good job when you WANT to. thats it.

Keep going ed, the more you continue this the more it makes me want to start contacting newspapers and local news stations about a company that royally screwed an install on my car which could have potentially led to thousands of dollars in repairs. Keep it up.

does this get through to you... at all?

Nutz
07-08-2007, 11:33 PM
Thanks Geoff........

I am not worried about this. Anyone that knows our shop in Pittsburgh will see through this. All this post is doing is increasing our hits on our website. Which I can say we had our highest sales online this month. Were definitely happy about that. Our visits to our sites are up over 400% since last year. So one bad apple is not going to spoil the batch.

We know now that if someone buys online we might second guess about the install. We have people sign a warranty waiver to avoid accusations about damages to equipment that came in before we touch it. Especially protect us from people that are just trying to make a buck off of us......We get people all the time that try to pull fast ones on us and its pathetic.

Anyone that has ever owned a business before knows what I am talking about.

Good luck in the season, what finals location are you planning on going to?
:graduate:

AudioAnonymous
07-09-2007, 08:18 AM
Indianapolis. I might enter my van in Best of show also. I got it painted and stuff for this year. Hope to see you guys there. :)

BreakingBad
07-09-2007, 01:06 PM
Lmao, see through a bad install?

I have pictures and video, theres no disguising or hiding the truth.

Let alone have an owner of a shop call someone's own religion & personal beliefs into question, let alone threaten to sue them!

Good luck with that. Retail is not a hard business to work in, tedious, but not hard. An increase in sales means nothing about the quality of your installers work and/or your installs.

You ****ed up on my install, i wrote a review, thats the end of it. Do you really think i give a **** about $60 when i got over 4 g's in equipment? Not really. It's the principle of the matter.

And i wouldn't be too gung ho on sales, because everyone i talked to is pretty disgusted at how you treated me as a customer. Including about 3 other install shops.

BreakingBad
07-09-2007, 02:50 PM
And on top of that, i have no clue why you ask people to "see through this"..

MULTIPLE people have critisized the braided wire power wires. MULTIPLE people have critisized the bad ground you used.

Not to mention my power wire fell out of the fuse block by TOUCHING it under my hood, the sub was wired to the amp wrong, alan keys hanging off the magnets of my 12's, the list goes on.


Quote from mjf595 on ROE:

"i have to say, since team nuts seems to be an idiot.

DUAL 2 OHM. READING 2.6.

now a sub sitting that much higher than the 2 ohms seems odd to me. and since you smelt something. HMMMMM

burning smell. coils reading higher than they should.
I WONDER.

ed, for all the stuff you say you know, you cant back up ****. and im less than impressed with you.

you're admitting to not making a proper ground.
you're admitting to speaking with amp technicians, not the speaker technicians who actually make the woofer.

I would be taking KMKs word over yours any day. What reason does he have to lie about a bad install? NONE. You ****ed up and now you're trying to make it look like it was his fault because you dont want your reputation damaged.

You've only made it worse. ****in piece of trash."


Quote from profundus-sanus on ROE:

okay....i'm going to give you every opportunity to answer my questions for you.

why would you condemn the customer for buying a product from the cheaper place? If it doesn't work in the first place then why wouldn't you tell him that? Thats something that should always be done with the customer with products not bought from your shop but are being installed there.

what is the axis relation between the sub and port? and why was it chosen?

Of course the resistance can very but it should not be due to production variance, but more ambient conditions. Why would you assume the two coils reading different is in spec?

Why would the shop owner be building a box?

Why would you attempt to skimp on the ground? And was it maintaining proper voltage while under load or not? If it wasn't under load why would you think that reading could possibly be accurate, considering the very minimal ammount of current flow that would be present?

I'm quite familiar with the mecp installers guide as well.

Why would you lie about the incorrect wiring?

And lastly, why would you assume that he is going to blow his sub due to amp clipping, when YOU were the one who setup the amp? If setup CORRECTLY the amp should pose NO threat to the sub.


Quote from ComeClarity on ROE:

Hey man ***** to be you, good luck on getting this sorted.
And as ive read everything, i totally agree with you, you are not to blame for any of this KMK.

Im educated in electronics and worked at a car stereo repair shop for quite some time. And in the same building there is a car stereo installation shop, and if they make a mistake, they repair/replace the items and admits that they did something wrong.

With this i wanted to make a point that if you are a professional authorized shop you should be adult enough to admit a fault and deal with it, and not bring up that you are a competitor and never makes mistakes.

So best of luck dude!


Quote from Hugh G. Rection on ROE:

your installer seems to be completely in-competent. they should have at least tested the thing to make sure it was working right.

Do i really need to keep doing this to show that support for you is not there? You **** dude.

Nutz
07-09-2007, 05:26 PM
Not even talking to this fool anymore....Anyone that wants a true opinion on my shop can call US AMP/RE Audio at 1-877-267-9360 (Larry). Also you can call Mobile Spec who makes the braided wire at 1-800-233-7009 (Manny). And finally call Powerbass at 909-993-5399 (Robin). If you want more references feel free to call me directly 412-882-8346 (Ed).

Geoff:
We are planning on going to Indy. I can't say we can compete in the show car section, but we did paint the van this year. lol. Old paint really doesn't look good, but had to cover the primer so it wouldn't rust anymore.

I spoke to George today (owner of van), he is supposed to come by to pay off his balance friday. If so we can start working on it again. He was going to quit at first, but I think he is going to finish to ful fill his sponsorship and not lose out on what is already invested.

I have had a few people ask me about doing a grill like yours. I like it, that should win you spl show vehicle.

Whats your thoughs on how they are doing finals this year?

CrazedCat
07-09-2007, 05:42 PM
you 2 need to :cuddle:

Nutz
07-09-2007, 07:43 PM
I don't think I am his type.....lol.....

BreakingBad
07-10-2007, 12:41 AM
lmao@fool.

if you arent going to talk thats fine, you can read.

all i expected from you was you to 1.) take the sub out and check the wiring after you "smelled burning" and it wasn't producing any bass.. you didnt.. so i went home with an incorrectly installed system that could have caused major damage to my equip.

so i had to come back and have it re-wired which i still dont know if it was even wired 100% correctly the second time, it just produced a ton more bass than at first, you know there was a difference, regardless of what you say to the people on these forums you should of did the right thing and spoke to me like a man not like a man attempting to hide a mistake that could damage his 'reputation'.

seriously, just end it. let me get back to doing my drugs or something.

Nutz
07-10-2007, 10:30 AM
I officially have heard it all. Everything you asked us to do, we did. That is a flat out lie.....common even you know that........

We totally rewired the sub in front of you one wire at a time to show you that it was wired correctly. I guess were playing dumb now..................

lol.......wow......lol........

Thank you for the website hits and sales........

BreakingBad
07-10-2007, 01:51 PM
no, because if it was wired right in the first place, none of the addressed issues would have been a problem (no bass, burning smell)

you re-wired it because it was wired wrong. you even said to me, in person, face to face, that you "could have had it backwards".... but now that i write a bad review you seem to have erased that from your memory because you "didnt notice a difference in output"

deal with the negative review and move on.

ace_800
07-10-2007, 02:02 PM
Glad I do my own installs, cause Newbnutz wouldn't get my business.

Should have been wired correctly the first time and not had to be done in front of the customer the 2nd time. Be a man, admit you fk'd up and be done with it. Don't bring up the amp or the alt, just the sub fk up.

/thread

Nutz
07-10-2007, 03:25 PM
He asked me to double check so we did, right in front of him to show him that it is wired correctly. Otherwise we would not of had to rewire. We did what he asked of us, because he had a concern that it was not as loud as his twelves.

If you were there you would of known this......

BreakingBad
07-10-2007, 06:01 PM
no you didn't. you threw away the wiring originally used, you had the spool of speaker wire out, you cut new ones and wired it a totally different way. dont bullshit me or anyone reading this, you ****ed up the first time.

newbnutz, kinda catchy.

Nutz
07-11-2007, 01:57 PM
He got me......... Originally we used the sub terminals to parrallel the speaker wire. This time we took speaker wires off of both speaker terminals and but connected them together into one line out of the speaker box.

Only because we had to cut the speaker wire to get the sub out of the box because of its weight and size we couldn't get to the terminals easily.

So you got me. I took the speaker wire out that was parralled and put in new speaker wire that was also parralled.

lol........

BreakingBad
07-11-2007, 04:29 PM
Sure it was. Keep telling yourself that.

END x 2.

Nutz
07-13-2007, 09:46 PM
:)

sue bee
07-13-2007, 09:51 PM
I highly recommend a seased and desist, as for this is being forward onto my attory for Slander.

The word you're looking for is libel. And, no, it's not. He is entitled to his own opinon of your work.

Nutz
07-14-2007, 11:01 AM
The word you're looking for is libel. And, no, it's not. He is entitled to his own opinon of your work.

Your correct......but you can't state an opinion unless you can follow up with facts. If its a complete lie, that is not cool....

BigOso
07-14-2007, 11:04 AM
Sorry bro but no matter what state your in you cant sue someone for making comments over a message board,

Twistid
07-14-2007, 11:15 AM
i still think this team nutz is a complete and utter joke

and the fact he said he was going to sue them over a bad review just proves the point!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

AudioAnonymous
07-14-2007, 04:02 PM
Not even talking to this fool anymore....Anyone that wants a true opinion on my shop can call US AMP/RE Audio at 1-877-267-9360 (Larry). Also you can call Mobile Spec who makes the braided wire at 1-800-233-7009 (Manny). And finally call Powerbass at 909-993-5399 (Robin). If you want more references feel free to call me directly 412-882-8346 (Ed).

Geoff:
We are planning on going to Indy. I can't say we can compete in the show car section, but we did paint the van this year. lol. Old paint really doesn't look good, but had to cover the primer so it wouldn't rust anymore.

I spoke to George today (owner of van), he is supposed to come by to pay off his balance friday. If so we can start working on it again. He was going to quit at first, but I think he is going to finish to ful fill his sponsorship and not lose out on what is already invested.

I have had a few people ask me about doing a grill like yours. I like it, that should win you spl show vehicle.

Whats your thoughs on how they are doing finals this year?

I like the way they are doing Finals personally. I'd rather get my butt kicked by the loudest people in the world rather then having them sit at home because they cant afford to fly from overseas or drive across the US to compete.

Take it easy on me this year please. :laugh:
What numbers are you guys shooting for? I'm only as loud as you guys were LAST year. :crying:

Nutz
07-14-2007, 10:08 PM
Unfortunately what you saw at SBN was all it has right now. We made changes for the worse unfortunately......Haven't had the time to do anything else since. Hopefully by the end of the week I will have a final decision from George on what we are doing for this season.........

If not, I will at least be there in SS1-2.

BreakingBad
07-15-2007, 12:48 PM
Your correct......but you can't state an opinion unless you can follow up with facts. If its a complete lie, that is not cool....

prove i'm lying about what i said.

Nutz
07-15-2007, 11:21 PM
here we go again......who is counting...........

Nutz
07-24-2007, 11:15 PM
So after all of this, I get a phone call from a manufacture that is involved, who lets me know that the amplifier in this car is damaged a second time.

That this customer that had his car completely rewired and that every other shop knew how to fix the car, but still didn't fix the voltage issue......

Low and behold this customer receives his amp back. Has another shop redo the entire car and poof, the amplifier is damaged again. Team Nutz not involved either time the amplifier was damaged.

But again, what Team Nutz recommended was never fixed.(low voltage)

So you make the decision. Team Nutz wires the car it works for nine months. Some other shop wires the car and it doesn't last one day, not once but twice.

Who is to blame.

CrazedCat
07-24-2007, 11:23 PM
:laugh:

Zakerid
07-26-2007, 09:12 AM
lmao... love this soap opera

Nutz
07-26-2007, 03:47 PM
I have to share this one. Mr Sublime here, known as KMK on realm of excursion just got banned on that forum. Last I checked it takes alot to get banned from a forum. Even freedom of speech can't stop that. lol...

Give an idea on the personality that we are dealing with here also.

One day this post will be deleted, if not open for business how can I help you.

almond
07-26-2007, 05:12 PM
he got banned for talking about drugs. who cares, doesn't change that you're a hack installer. go ahead and get the lawyers ready.

BreakingBad
07-26-2007, 05:35 PM
I have to share this one. Mr Sublime here, known as KMK on realm of excursion just got banned on that forum. Last I checked it takes alot to get banned from a forum. Even freedom of speech can't stop that. lol...

Give an idea on the personality that we are dealing with here also.

One day this post will be deleted, if not open for business how can I help you.

First off, i was "banned" because the douschebag moderators over there are on a power trip, and if they "disagree" with what you post, they have the power to lock/delete the thread and/or ban a member.

I had a discussion involving marijuana legalization going... GREAT discussion but a member "twisted" decided to chime in and throw in his stupid *** bullshit about how he thinks people who smoke are ******* assholes, he continued to degrade people about it and i responded in defense, and I was warned for defending my (and other members') integrity. funny, i get warned and given infractions for defending myself but the guy who started it all got nothing. fair? hell no.

I then started a thread asking how i broke the forum rules, when the forum rules didn't state anything about drug discussion. The mods responded and said it doesn't matter what the forum rules say, if we "deem it necessary" they will do "as they please".

so i figured ok, illegal drug discussion is not ok, so i started a thread pertaining to a perfectly LEGAL plant, salvia, your mom probably grows a strain of it in her back yard, and the mods went on a delete rampage, i called them on it and they got pissed that someone called them on their stupidity and douschebaggery, and i was banned.

the ban notice said "pushing a moderators buttons".

i didnt push buttons. its just that the ***** mods over there can't handle straight talk.

and for you to CONTINUE to call my integrity into question over some ******* moderators' decision on ROE just goes to show how much of an ******* you really are.

so, you want to call my integrity into question? let me call into question the INTEGRITY of your install on my car.

so, lets list what went bad/wasn't installed right on my car:

- basic grounds under hood were not upgraded to thicker gauge wire (1/0 needed, 4 or 8 gauge was left on there)
- power wire under hood -fell out- of the fuse block (meaning it wasnt even screwed into the fuse)
- rca's were cheap pieces of ****, they frayed which are now causing signal problems currently.
- sub was wired completely wrong in the first place, which could have caused the impedence on my sub to go from 2.1 to 2.6 on each VC.
- ground in back was screwed into painted sheet metal with small screws.
- wiring to amp was braided, theorhetically causing less current flow and is normally only used for looks (1/0 was everywhere else.. why did you used braided?)

not to mention my car wasn't even vacuumed out, and it looked like they dumped a bin of saw dust throughout it.

now who's integrity is the one that needs to be called into question?

i thought this whole issue was dropped and over with until you come about asking mods why i was banned, you say "its none of my business" but you decide to start a thread and ask any way, then you come over here calling my character and integrity into question once again.

you = NOOB.

Nutz
07-26-2007, 06:49 PM
1st can someone help me understand what noob means, not sure at this time.

enough said...thank you....lol.....

BreakingBad
07-26-2007, 06:53 PM
1st can someone help me understand what noob means, not sure at this time.

enough said...thank you....lol.....

oh trust me, you just DEFINED the word through that statement.

Nutz
07-26-2007, 11:03 PM
Anyone else.............since I would trust him for how far you could throw him.....

BreakingBad
07-27-2007, 10:48 AM
:rolleyes:

shortyg83
07-27-2007, 10:55 AM
Anyone else.............since I would trust him for how far you could throw him.....

NOOB= somone who has no idea what they are talking about " somone that is new to something" You get called a noob if you try to act all knowing when you know nothing.


As for you getting banned, they got mad because you had a thread about illegal drugs, they try to maintain a site they dont need that sh*t over there it is a car audio site. then you start one about legal drugs. I would say ya thats pushing a mods buttons.

BreakingBad
07-27-2007, 05:41 PM
NOOB= somone who has no idea what they are talking about " somone that is new to something" You get called a noob if you try to act all knowing when you know nothing.


As for you getting banned, they got mad because you had a thread about illegal drugs, they try to maintain a site they dont need that sh*t over there it is a car audio site. then you start one about legal drugs. I would say ya thats pushing a mods buttons.

holy **** dude, it's weed. people try to make such a big deal and whine about it yet over 5 million americans smoke it on a daily basis.. with 50 million worldwide.

anyway, i posted it in the OFF TOPIC forum. regardless that it's a car audio forum, it was the OFF TOPIC sub-forum. telling me i cannot discuss weed on a "car audio forum" is like saying you cannot start ANY threads that do not pertain to car audio. OFF TOPIC is named that for a reason.

the forum rules stated nothing about discussing cannabis, or its legality. stratus&draggin low were on a power trip, and they didnt "like" my thread so they deleted it. again forum rules mentioned nothing about discussing drugs and/or illegal or legal ones.

second, i did nothing personally to the mods, i didnt "push buttons". they wanted to be ***** and tell me i cannot discuss illegal things, so i started a thread about a mind-expanding LEGAL drug. they wet their ******* after that one.

Prowler573
07-29-2007, 12:19 AM
Not that I care about your position on the legality of Mary Jane one way or the other - that decision is up to the individual to make - but after being told in no uncertain terms that the discussion at hand (because its focus was on an illegal CDS) was unwelcome you decide to go begin a thread that so closely resembles the one that got you in trouble (yeah - so it was about something that is legal...but the idea/intent remains the same) it doesn't even bear discussing?

I would say that was "pushing a mod's buttons" as well.
And if you have so much as an ounce of brain in your head you durn well know it.

BreakingBad
07-30-2007, 10:22 PM
Not that I care about your position on the legality of Mary Jane one way or the other - that decision is up to the individual to make - but after being told in no uncertain terms that the discussion at hand (because its focus was on an illegal CDS) was unwelcome you decide to go begin a thread that so closely resembles the one that got you in trouble (yeah - so it was about something that is legal...but the idea/intent remains the same) it doesn't even bear discussing?

I would say that was "pushing a mod's buttons" as well.
And if you have so much as an ounce of brain in your head you durn well know it.

actually, the decision to "ban" marijuana discussion came AFTER i was banned and the thread was locked.

the mods came in, told everyone to be cool and the thread could stay open (Which, it now is again)

AFTERWARDS, after i defended myself and twistid continued his BS, the threads were closed and the discussion was banned - thats like taking a bucket to empty your basement of water instead of turning off the sink. go for the real problem, the troll member.

Nutz
07-30-2007, 11:52 PM
For the Record:

Team Nutz is a DRUG FREE enviroment. What you want to do on your own time that is illegal is your decision. Team Nutz Keeps the decision of being one of the few Drug Free Car Audio Business's and we are Proud of it.

Random Drug testing is in affect with zero tolerance.

More Info on our Post Starter:
http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/showthread.php?t=32095

BreakingBad
08-20-2007, 11:03 AM
oh please, you're going to quote a topic i started because i was tired of underage whiny moderators who think they're tough guys because they're behind a computer monitor? half of those mods over there i can almost guarantee wouldn't have the testes to say half the **** they did to someone in person.

there was no rule in effect on ROE for respectful discussion of cannabis... so me, and a few dozen others thought it would be useful... some assholes caused a problem, people like yourself nutz who thinks their opinion is the right one and if you don't agree you're a ******* idiot

anyway, that ***** that team nutz is a drug-free environment. i'd actually rather at a place that is tolerant with things like marijuana... you don't need my **** to tell me if i'm a good guy for a job. take your narrow minded **** somewhere else

i have nothing to lie about, i could have ANYONE on car audio.com or roe.com randomly visit me and i could show them pictures, my vehicle and a video to prove that your install was tremendously ****ed on mutiple levels. and thats no bullshit... my vehicle is evidence that you guys only give a **** about an install when it matters to you.. when more $$$ is involved.

**for those of you not aware of the car audio scene in pittsburgh, a lot of people have heard about team nutz, mainly because it's on route 88 a road thats travelled by thousands daily.. anyway you got 3 groups: those who have heard of team nutz and know they're a shady crappy installer, and those who have heard of team nutz and thinks its cool to ride them harder than giuliani and 9/11

i thought the stories i heard (specifically from people in the crafton/carnegie/west end areas, but have also heard stories from various parts of south hills, and even north hills).. i thought they were completely unfounded and bullshit. can't count the "system/trunk catching on fire" accounts... and which i can believe... these guys don't know what a proper ground is let alone how to secure wires so they uh... dont fall out.

Nutz
08-21-2007, 11:11 PM
Its been some time, I was starting to get lonely on here......:laugh:

Smoke another one buddy, because we obviously know where your reality is. Was it cloud 9 or 10. Never been there so not sure.....

Say all you want, just because you ruined your own system and can't take blame.

9/11 where does that come from. wow.....what ever you need to say to make yourself feel good. Obviously we have customer that know we do good work, and come back. And I am sure there are haters out there too, such as yourself. So go form your little hate group, have meetings and pass the blunts. What ever you need to do to make yourself feel good about yourself.

I got it, maybe you smoke mj to avoid the realization about yourself and how you are making yourself look.......

Thanks again, this post was falling off the search engines, now it might go back up.

Like I said go get a professional to look at your system and then maybe it might work, otherwise keep messing it up for yourself and voiding your own warranties.

BreakingBad
08-21-2007, 11:33 PM
Its been some time, I was starting to get lonely on here......:laugh:

Smoke another one buddy, because we obviously know where your reality is. Was it cloud 9 or 10. Never been there so not sure.....

First, again you attempt to take attention away from your fat idiotic self and try to point out that i smoke bud, i'm a terrorist!! and let me guess, i can take a wild shot and guess that occasionally, you have drank alcohol. if you have at ever in your life drank alcohol, you are a blatent hypocrite.


Say all you want, just because you ruined your own system and can't take blame.

9/11 where does that come from. wow.....what ever you need to say to make yourself feel good. Obviously we have customer that know we do good work, and come back. And I am sure there are haters out there too, such as yourself. So go form your little hate group, have meetings and pass the blunts. What ever you need to do to make yourself feel good about yourself.

I didn't ruin ****. Actually the problems occured after i took my vehicle to your shop as OTHER shops both Total Image AND Auto Illusions have pointed out that you guys missed obvious errors, wired things incorrectly, smaller gauge wire used when thicker was obviously required, used painted sheet metal with screws for a ground...

i don't need to sit here and keep re-listing and listing and re-listing the ****-ups by team nut lovers, because everyone in every thread who saw my issues, my pictures have saw that you are a CRANK for an install shop. i'll pass blunts all night mother****er aint one ****in thing youre gonna do about it. go back to your doritos and twinkies.


I got it, maybe you smoke mj to avoid the realization about yourself and how you are making yourself look.......

Thanks again, this post was falling off the search engines, now it might go back up.

Like I said go get a professional to look at your system and then maybe it might work, otherwise keep messing it up for yourself and voiding your own warranties.

yeah dude, i make myself look "so bad" because i come on a popular car audio site and negatively review your shop which i have every right not only as an american to do, but as a customer who was treated like a piece of **** - with my vehicle and pictures as evidence.

and again, let me re-iterate, 2 SEPERATE install shops (Total Image Mobile Electronics) and (Auto Illusions) have seen your work and condemed it asking themself how you could be "so stupid" as i would quote the one employee. i have never voided any warranties in my life because i'm not a total install ruiner like you and your ******* employees.

you know what, since this will be brought up again and most people won't review the thread, here's a list of again what nutz ****ed on my car:

=======================

- Under the hood basic grounds & wiring (aka the Big 3) were not upgraded though the rest of the wiring throughout the car was.
- Nutz idea of a ground: wood screws through painted sheet metal in the trunk.
- Braided wire used for connections to amp when 1/0 was used everywhere else.
- Power wire under the hood FELL OUT of the fuse block. Someone forgot to screw it in.
- Power wire under hood was up against the engine which is a serious fire hazard.
- a VERY expensive speaker, XXX 18 was wired INCORRECTLY at which point Nutz made a phone call to me and said, and i quote, "Uh, 1500 watts isn't enough man... you need 3,000 to get any bass out of this sub. We hooked it up and there was absolutely no air moving, and me and my installers smelled a burning smell and immediately turned it off" again, you admitting to your own mistake.
- Never issued a refund on labor though they wired it incorrectly, no bass was being reproduced, when i brought it back and WATCHED them wire it in front of me, oh, magic... i had bass!!!!! a customer getting an alarm installed even said "holy **** was that your truck?" as the bass was shaking the **** on the walls.
- Car was left a mess, wood shavings, foot prints, dirt marks all over the interior of my car... and nothing was cleaned.
===================

I'm not here to degrade some two-bit company because i'm pissed off. I'm here because as a loyal customer who returned to you THREE times for installs, the SINGLE time i don't buy equipment from you - oh magic the install was RUINED.

coincidence? i think not. any consumer with a brain can calculate: team nutz makes very little money because equipment was not purchased through them + me bringing equipment not purchased through them = them not giving a ****.

i've seen it happen multiple, mutiple times with your installs and you can sit here and brag about all the "traffic" and "tons of customers" you are getting, but honestly you don't sell high-end stuff on your site. low-hz has 20times the deals you guys got.

and a quick price check:

team nutz price for an 05 kicker cvr 15" 2ohm: $229.95
sonic electronix price for an 05 kicker cvr 15" 2ohm: $114.95

your prices are DOUBLE that of other internet vendors. good luck getting smart consumers buying from your site :D

on top of that, you are the only retail vendor i know selling RE subs @ full MSRP.

gtfo>

Nutz
08-22-2007, 10:55 AM
I am still glad to see that I am one of the only things on your mind. You must not have anything else to worry about but adding to this thread day after day. Makes me feel good about myself that I am that important to you.

Anyway....keep hating.....you have given a good amount of people a tremendous laugh by continuing the lies on this thread. Go smoke another buddy and I will go eat my twinkies..... (calling me fat.....lol.....is that the best you have...)

keep posting here, at least I know that we are important in your life.....:laugh:

grow up......

BreakingBad
08-24-2007, 02:00 PM
I am still glad to see that I am one of the only things on your mind. You must not have anything else to worry about but adding to this thread day after day. Makes me feel good about myself that I am that important to you.

Anyway....keep hating.....you have given a good amount of people a tremendous laugh by continuing the lies on this thread. Go smoke another buddy and I will go eat my twinkies..... (calling me fat.....lol.....is that the best you have...)

keep posting here, at least I know that we are important in your life.....:laugh:

grow up......

hey fattie mcfat fat, my life doesn't revolve around the internet or your stupid company as you would love to believe. just because i make a post in my defense doesn't make me "obsessed" with you or this topic.

you are just too stupid to counter my points brought up in my dozens of posts, so you resort to marijuana jokes and telling me to "grow up"

please son, i have pictures to prove all of your **** ups. video too. and by my last count, i had over 22 people agreeing with me that you're a ****up of an installer and a lying piece of ****.

***THOSE OF YOU READING THIS and don't realize why... read the "07 XXX 18 - 1500W dont do ****" thread on realm of excursion. YOU WILL SEE THE TRUTH THERE.

and telling me a fat joke is "all i got"? meanwhile here's your ******* tryin to make fun of me for smokin bud... meanwhile HALF your customers are probably drug dealers in the first place. gtfo>

enjoy your twinkies and oreos.

ace_800
08-24-2007, 04:56 PM
I have been laughing at team newbnuts posts. I see you keep going back to the weed and alcohol points but not to how you screwed sublimes install up. Class act shop right here folks. BB and CC sound better than your shop.

CrazedCat
08-24-2007, 07:47 PM
i have pictures to prove all of your **** ups. video too.

POST!!!!

Twistid
08-24-2007, 07:50 PM
sublime told me how he was smoking weed and decided to see how loud it could get and just turned the gains up all the way...

hes not a very smart person, then he tries to get you guys to take the blame ?

i say we ban him :naughty:

Nutz
08-24-2007, 10:43 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

talk all you want, say all you want, call me fat, what ever......I believe this section is to post your opinion on a shop or installer, said once was good, we responded in defense, enough said........

Post your pictures and post your videos, things worked to there best when you left, could have worked better if you listened to us when we told you that 11 volts is bad, anyone person with a little car audio knowledge knows this is bad.....amazing even after you had two other shops look at your system it still doesn't work......Maybe you should again listen and fix your voltage.......

What ever.....not even worth the time, other than the humor that my 23 people are having laughing at you...What ever.......we are still in business and I have more people come to my shop every day then what you say have agreeing with you......

Sticks and stones.......you know the rhyme.....

Smoke another and maybe I will share my twinkies....:laugh::laugh:

BreakingBad
08-25-2007, 11:35 AM
sublime told me how he was smoking weed and decided to see how loud it could get and just turned the gains up all the way...

hes not a very smart person, then he tries to get you guys to take the blame ?

i say we ban him :naughty:

i say you go back to your trolling. i've already seen about 5 people with you in their signature's quoting you as some of the dumbest in the USAF.

you are a bullheaded narrow minded troll, you did the same thing on ROE that you are here - trolling.

YOU should be banned.. not someone arguing about ****** install on their car from a ****** shop.



talk all you want, say all you want, call me fat, what ever......I believe this section is to post your opinion on a shop or installer, said once was good, we responded in defense, enough said........

Post your pictures and post your videos, things worked to there best when you left, could have worked better if you listened to us when we told you that 11 volts is bad, anyone person with a little car audio knowledge knows this is bad.....amazing even after you had two other shops look at your system it still doesn't work......Maybe you should again listen and fix your voltage.......

What ever.....not even worth the time, other than the humor that my 23 people are having laughing at you...What ever.......we are still in business and I have more people come to my shop every day then what you say have agreeing with you......

Sticks and stones.......you know the rhyme.....

Smoke another and maybe I will share my twinkies....

You say "sticks and stones" and now you're whining about me calling you a fatass yet you had no problem calling me a pothead, stoner, idiot, etc. hypocrite?

that voltage issue was solved when i bought a new alternator you nitwit.

multiple, multiple people here have critisized your shop, the quality of the install and yet you STILL reply and act like you have the world against me.

PICTURES:

Nutz idea of a ground (you can also see the discrepancy - 1/0 used everywhere else then all of a sudden braided wire? Not to mention the ground wire fell out of the "crimped" terminal.

http://home.comcast.net/~cannabis.420/4.jpg

The ****** braided wire (nice tape job *******!)

http://home.comcast.net/~cannabis.420/1.jpg

i can't find my photobucket link or else i would link yall to the sub ****ing up big time after Nutz' install. if i can find it i will edit / repost with the link..

to REITERATE:

- Under the hood basic grounds & wiring (aka the Big 3) were not upgraded though the rest of the wiring throughout the car was.
- Nutz idea of a ground: wood screws through painted sheet metal in the trunk.
- Braided wire used for connections to amp when 1/0 was used everywhere else.
- Power wire under the hood FELL OUT of the fuse block. Someone forgot to screw it in.
- Power wire under hood was up against the engine which is a serious fire hazard.
- a VERY expensive speaker, XXX 18 was wired INCORRECTLY at which point Nutz made a phone call to me and said, and i quote, "Uh, 1500 watts isn't enough man... you need 3,000 to get any bass out of this sub. We hooked it up and there was absolutely no air moving, and me and my installers smelled a burning smell and immediately turned it off" again, you admitting to your own mistake.
- Never issued a refund on labor though they wired it incorrectly, no bass was being reproduced, when i brought it back and WATCHED them wire it in front of me, oh, magic... i had bass!!!!! a customer getting an alarm installed even said "holy **** was that your truck?" as the bass was shaking the **** on the walls.
- Car was left a mess, wood shavings, foot prints, dirt marks all over the interior of my car... and nothing was cleaned.

nutz=pwned.

BreakingBad
08-25-2007, 11:39 AM
and again, here is ONE of the issues that started after i got my car back from nutz:

http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z104/kmk0420/?action=view&current=MVI_0432.flv

listen at the end..yeah... head unit on 0.

Twistid
08-25-2007, 11:19 PM
you ****, you turned your gains all the way up, you blew your stuff and now your being a cry baby ! boo hoo, baby want a bottle?

BreakingBad
08-26-2007, 01:55 AM
you ****, you turned your gains all the way up, you blew your stuff and now your being a cry baby ! boo hoo, baby want a bottle?

actually *******, nutz turned my gains up to see why my sub wasn't producing bass. (when in reality, they wired it wrong)

i keep my gains normally below 1/2.

and by the way, do you really think your opinion affects me in any way? because i know you wouldn't have the balls to say that **** to my face. :D

keep talking **** over the internet buddy, since that's the only thing you have the balls to do.

BreakingBad
08-26-2007, 05:38 PM
so for reference, here's the timeline of events with Nutz doing the install on my car.

- Called Nutz about another stereo install (they did my 12s and window tint, not to mention they still wired my 12's wrong and left alan keys hanging off the magnets), they scheduled me for 2 weeks ahead since they had to do something. Anyway, the time comes and i take time off work to drive my vehicle down, and i was told it wouldn't probably be ready until the following afternoon.

- Called that afternoon to find out when car would be finished, and i was told by Nutz , and i quote, "Hey dude...i talked to US and RE and they both said that you need a minimum of 3,000 watts just to produce any kind of bass.. this thing isn't moving any air whatsoever... we had the gain all the way up and even then the thing wasn't hitting at all. We smelled something burning, so we turned it off and we advise you to not play your system until you get a bigger amp."

- Picked my vehicle up, i had my stereo up and the sub wasn't even moving. my buddies audiobahn 12's were bangin on the XXX 18 just to give you some reference.

- Called US/RE and they REASSURED me even 500 watts would move this beast. I called Nutz and said I'm coming back down to have this looked at. They take the sub out, do the wiring in FRONT of me, and magically... BASS! Almost quadrupled bass output. Ed (Nutz) specifically said "We musta had it wired wrong or backwards."

He admitted he wired it wrong, and when i talked to him about getting a labor refund, i was immediately told i was the one who was wrong, they did nothing wrong, and i need to deal with it myself since i didn't buy the equipment at THEIR store.

...so as soon as i *****ed about their crappy ****ing install, his story about how they wired the sub wrong? yeah, they "did nothing wrong"..rofl

and TO THIS DAY that ***** comes on these forums STILL trying to defend himself and say they never wired anything wrong..

MEANWHILE i had 4 people at my one job look at it and the one works and fixes RC cars, so a ton of expertise in electrical systems and what not. everyone was dumbfounded by the lack of bass, and when i had the bass... i encountered problems with my amp which was taken care of.

He still tries to use the fact that (when they WANT to) they can throw a bunch of subs and amps in a vehicle and act like they are the sickest install shop in pittsburgh.

AUTO ILLUSIONS > TEAM NUTZ

i suggest ANYONE with ANY car issues - stereo installs, performance mods, etc. GO TO AUTO ILLUSIONS! in moon. these guys know what they are doing, as the one employee caught over 4 screwups by team nutz. another install shop caught 2 mistakes.

there should have been 0 mistakes for the amount of money i was throwing you... spent over 2 grand at your shop and this is how you treat a return customer? **** you and your lame joke of a shop.

Twistid
08-26-2007, 05:40 PM
dude no one cares, youve already been made to look like a complete douch tard, your not getting a refund, the shop isent going to do anything, and anyone that reads this thread will side with team nuts

good job ******* :)

BreakingBad
08-26-2007, 05:44 PM
dude no one cares, youve already been made to look like a complete douch tard, your not getting a refund, the shop isent going to do anything, and anyone that reads this thread will side with team nuts

good job ******* :)

are you ****ing retarded? read the thread you moron, i can count 3 right off the top of my head in this thread alone who thinks Nutz is a joke of a shop.

I don't care about the refund. I've moved on from that.. they lost a ton of business.. i referred about 4 people already to auto illusions, when that could have all been their business if he would have treated me like i deserved.

and by the way, the majority of CA and ROE don't like you, or your trolling. so why do you try to divert the attention off your stupid self onto other people? it won't change the fact that you don't shut the **** up and your posts contribute nothing, ever.

Twistid
08-26-2007, 05:51 PM
are you ****ing retarded? read the thread you moron, i can count 3 right off the top of my head in this thread alone who thinks Nutz is a joke of a shop.

I don't care about the refund. I've moved on from that.. they lost a ton of business.. i referred about 4 people already to auto illusions, when that could have all been their business if he would have treated me like i deserved.

and by the way, the majority of CA and ROE don't like you, or your trolling. so why do you try to divert the attention off your stupid self onto other people? it won't change the fact that you don't shut the **** up and your posts contribute nothing, ever.

3 people out of the over 2000+ views the thread has, and they probably dont even live in the same state :laugh:

game over you lose :D

BreakingBad
08-26-2007, 05:58 PM
3 people out of the over 2000+ views the thread has, and they probably dont even live in the same state :laugh:

game over you lose :D

wow, you are lacking in the mathematical areas.

first, those views could be from google, CA.com, either or. how many replies does this thread have from people OTHER than me or tnutz? not that many. and the MAJORITY of the ones who did respond critisized him anyway.

keep runnin your mouth over the internet "tough guy", you prove nothing.

i suggest you do CA and ROE a favor and accidentally never come online again.

97cavy
08-26-2007, 08:44 PM
Well...

A) you admit you had a problem with them on the first install, but yet you went back again, thats pretty much just asking for trouble.

B) Your attitude. If your anything in real life like you are on here, I could see why noone would like you.

C) You have a sub upfiring, in a sedan, in the back seat. I can pretty much guarantee that something out of the trunk would have been louder

BreakingBad
08-26-2007, 10:55 PM
Well...

A) you admit you had a problem with them on the first install, but yet you went back again, thats pretty much just asking for trouble.

B) Your attitude. If your anything in real life like you are on here, I could see why noone would like you.

C) You have a sub upfiring, in a sedan, in the back seat. I can pretty much guarantee that something out of the trunk would have been louder

A) I didn't find out about my 12's being screwed up until i uninstalled them out of the box (after i had the isuses with the shop). i had no clue of these lazy ways out until after the xxx 18 install.

B) Thats pretty funny, because everyone i come in contact with seem to have no problem with me.. ****in **** i went to a FOREIGN country (amsterdam) and made 7 friends in 7 days... got #'s... ****... was almost hittin it off dutch chicks (non-prostitutes.) On top of that, anyone i know will say im a funny laid back dude..bragging aside.. think what you want, i have nothing to prove to you.

C) I know of a lot of people who would disagree with you. Cabin = more airspace for one. Plus the weight of the sub limited side-mounting options. Plus it was built to be removable. This 18 wouldnt fit in my trunk.

Fear Of Theive
08-27-2007, 12:23 AM
hey i'm not here to hate on team nutz,they were at the show i was at today in amherst ohio,did you guys get the dq for the window\door thing?

BreakingBad
08-27-2007, 11:08 AM
hey i'm not here to hate on team nutz,they were at the show i was at today in amherst ohio,did you guys get the dq for the window\door thing?

if your car was as ****ed as mine was after a day at their shop... then yes, you would be "hating" on them too.

Fear Of Theive
08-27-2007, 11:44 AM
if you read i stated i was at the show today in amherest,did YOU guys get DQ'd for the window\door thing? thus i was saying i was at the show watching while they did the comp.

Nutz
08-27-2007, 11:42 PM
Actually Sam let it go for the show, but gave us the warning that it must be fixed by finals. The expansion foam in the side door that has been growing now for three years has bent the door open at the top. It is still completely sealed from the box, but we are planning on finding away to dig out the foam and push the door back in. Going to be tough.

I personally missed the show, was at Import Fusion/MECA event, but George the owner of the van and Dennis the owner of the station wagon in Super Street 1-2 were there will Nate C in Bass race.

As for the rest in the post, thanks for the support, for such a laid back person obviously he can't keep his two cents shut....:uhoh:

It funny though, the same pictures that he is showing here with the braided 4 gauge seemed to work on his 12's for 9 months no problem. When we installed his 18's I addressed his problems, he even admits that the system left us working, but again bottom line he had a voltage problem that we told him to not play the system until it was fixed. Obviosly he didn't listen because he has video to show. Some reason I think we went through this about 10 time on this post and his is still looking for sympathy. I do recall me offering him a refund once he proved to me that is other shops could make his system play with the same equipment that he gave us to work with. Never happened because the other shops made him do the same things we told him to do..... Just mad that we were right and he can't admit......

Thanks guys, If your going to DB Drag finals in Indy I'll see ya there......

Oh yes I am crying that you called me fat....lol....I am 5'11', 220 lbs for the record. So if I am fat so be it........don't hate me because I don't smoke pot.....

Nutz
08-28-2007, 01:20 AM
To keep every one updated on what is going on with Team Nutz. We have just gone live on our online store. We are updating products every day. Sometimes we may not be the cheapest online, but we do back up the products and service that we sell. Thou we might not please all, but we do our best in every attempt.

Please send me PM on what you think of the website. Photo's from Nopi, MD and Pgh Import Fusion should be up shortly.

We are currently offering discounts on Gift Certificates on our website and will be offering discounted Install Cards coming soon. Stop in our store and see why we have been repeatedly awarded Pittsburgh's Leader in Custom Car Audio. Don't take one persons bad opinion, when we have dozens of satisfied customers everyday.

Thank you.....

BreakingBad
08-28-2007, 10:47 AM
k dude, keep on lying away. my countless posts and my thread on realm of excursion show who you truly are - an installer who doesn't give a **** about his customers unless he's making $$ off them.

here you go telling people that i "admitted my system was working" and blah blah blah.

you wired my **** wrong, admitted it, then denied it in public and wouldn't issue me a refund.

not to mention you royally ****ed the install of my 18, and barely made the 12's work.

just because something works doesnt mean its the "best" or "proper" setup. you as a "professional installer" should know that. braided wire was the LAST option on the list, but you still used it.

take your bullshit elsewhere dude, the only people who actually believe a word that comes out your sweaty fat mouth are people you know in person and/or ****** their ***** for their support.

do i need to quote where i posted about 10 members in a single shot who saw through your ****** install and your fake lies? no.

mjf
08-28-2007, 10:52 AM
surprised this is still going on.

mainly for the fact that nutz wont let it die.

its not even focused around the actual situation as it is just two little girls bickering with eachother.

neither you sublime or nutz are better in either point, you are both acting like children, grow up.

ace_800
08-28-2007, 12:20 PM
3 people out of the over 2000+ views the thread has, and they probably dont even live in the same state :laugh:

game over you lose :D


God you make USAF people look retarded. What are you an E-1/2. You sound like an AB. Grow up, get off Team newbnuts. They screwed up and back tracked on it.

Nutz
08-28-2007, 02:32 PM
surprised this is still going on.

mainly for the fact that nutz wont let it die.

its not even focused around the actual situation as it is just two little girls bickering with eachother.

neither you sublime or nutz are better in either point, you are both acting like children, grow up.

This might be the first time I actually agree with you....... The only reason I am on here is for the advertisement. Good or bad it still is advertisement.......and its plan as day to see he contradicts himself.....I don't have to explain everyone see through it.....and unless you were there at my store only then you know the truth....anyone else is just picking sides to pick them.....

Its funny though if we are just in it for money, why do I fix other shops mess ups daily for free. And from some of the shops you mention. I am sure they get cars from us also, but its electronic's things break from improper usage. If it was improper installation then it would have never worked for nine months.....end of story

Fear Of Theive
08-28-2007, 02:38 PM
nutz its cool i'll see you in indy,send me a discount :)

BreakingBad
08-28-2007, 06:39 PM
This might be the first time I actually agree with you....... The only reason I am on here is for the advertisement. Good or bad it still is advertisement.......and its plan as day to see he contradicts himself.....I don't have to explain everyone see through it.....and unless you were there at my store only then you know the truth....anyone else is just picking sides to pick them.....

Its funny though if we are just in it for money, why do I fix other shops mess ups daily for free. And from some of the shops you mention. I am sure they get cars from us also, but its electronic's things break from improper usage. If it was improper installation then it would have never worked for nine months.....end of story

first, MJF - this is NOT 2 "little girls bickering"... its Nutz who is still trying to uphold his shotty reputation.

and Nutz - if you fix peoples **** ups for free on a daily basis, why is there a sign behind your counter in your showroom that says:

Hourly Labor (equipment purchased through us): $60/hr
equipment not purchased through us: $70/hr
fixing another installs screw up: $80/hr

you have a blatent sign that informs customers that they will pay MORE to have their **** fixed than at basic labor rate.

i may be off on the amounts, but thats what the sign says..

and by the way, you IMPROPERLY used my sub and i had you on speakerphone in my previous office with you saying "WE SMELLED BURNING... SO WE TURNED IT OFF... WE DONT RECOMMEND PLAYIN IT UNTIL YOU GET A BIGGER AMP"

that was your solution. put more power to an already IMPROPERLY wired sub.

**** off and drop it already, you won't ever get your point across except to the little boys and girls who wants to be on your nuts...pun intended..

take your lies, your deceit and your idiotic comments somewhere else because YOU are the one who has replied multiple times even AFTER i've said drop it... so what does that show? that you want to advertise? get the **** outta here...

and i'm really gettin tired of your ****.. you wanna solve this man to man, be my guest and quit *****in on the forums about me... none of your buddies... no weapons, me vs you... i can guarantee i'll whip that fat ****ing smile off your face. but knowing you you'd roll with 3 of your buddies cause you're a ***** like that from what i've heard.

BreakingBad
08-28-2007, 06:43 PM
God you make USAF people look retarded. What are you an E-1/2. You sound like an AB. Grow up, get off Team newbnuts. They screwed up and back tracked on it.

:laugh:

newbnuts...lmao

twistid is a moronic, ***** mother****er. simple as that. talks **** behind a computer. if he really had the balls, he'd drive to me or anyone else to prove he did. but no, let me guess...he's still going to sit behind his computer and talk more ****! *****. :suicide:

Nutz
08-30-2007, 12:40 AM
look who is calling the kettle black...:rolleyes:

You talk like you know me....you know nothing about me....never have and never will.........Mr. tough guy you wouldn't even be worth the time or money, you know where to find me.....so this has gone from an opinion on a shop to a tough guy. They must be selling good steriods over there at your work......your fingers are getting big.

Grow up and quit trying to fight the world, your not going to get anywhere in life.

Mr. I am laid back..................thank you for the hits to my site keep up the good work........

you talk about people being on someone's nutz, why don't you get off of mine. Every post you put on here is just showing that you have nothing better to worry about....... again grow up.....you don't have to admit your wrong, just shut the flood gates of bs,mr laid back tough guy.

At least I know with this post if ever something does happen to me or my shop, you will be the first to be held accountable with your threats........

hazardous0388
08-30-2007, 03:00 AM
its kinda like that beer commercial...where the guy sings...Mr Laid back Toughhhhhhhh guyYY!!

BreakingBad
08-30-2007, 12:19 PM
look who is calling the kettle black...:rolleyes:

You talk like you know me....you know nothing about me....never have and never will.........Mr. tough guy you wouldn't even be worth the time or money, you know where to find me.....so this has gone from an opinion on a shop to a tough guy. They must be selling good steriods over there at your work......your fingers are getting big.

Grow up and quit trying to fight the world, your not going to get anywhere in life.

Mr. I am laid back..................thank you for the hits to my site keep up the good work........

you talk about people being on someone's nutz, why don't you get off of mine. Every post you put on here is just showing that you have nothing better to worry about....... again grow up.....you don't have to admit your wrong, just shut the flood gates of bs,mr laid back tough guy.

At least I know with this post if ever something does happen to me or my shop, you will be the first to be held accountable with your threats........

i don't care to "know you". you treated me, a returning customer, like a pile of ****. you deserve no respect.

you are probably the stupidest mother****er i've ever talked to in my entire life, seriously. someone could ask you what color the sky is, and you would reply "i like poptarts". you always avoid any question i have brought to your attention and reply with some wanna-be witty response that isn't even funny.

i think your shop is a joke. like i said multiple times before, i ended this discussion MULTIPLE times yet YOU, the ******* on MY NUTS keeps responding continuing the debate. so YOU back up off MY nuts el-homo.

and by the way, telling you to quit bit*hing at me and to meet me in person if you gotta settle something is in no way shape or form a threat in any way. i actually HOPE you go out of business as you don't deserve to own a shop and treat customers like you did me.

and good luck tellin the cops "OH THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET MADE FUN OF ME... SOMEONE BROKE INTO MY SHOP ARREST HIM!!"

i'm not a criminal. nor do i care to do anything in any way to your joke of a shop. i can sit online and call you a fat ****ing lying piece of **** all day, and for the simple fact it's the internet and more specifically an internet forum, you can't do S-H-I-T

now, run off, grab a twinkie and consult your "attory".

Fear Of Theive
08-30-2007, 02:06 PM
Nutz are you the big white dude? if so i wouldn't mess with you lol.or the guy that i saw in the white shirt and red shorts? or do you guys just work their? I was in amherst when you were smoke screening us.

BreakingBad
08-30-2007, 02:11 PM
Nutz are you the big white dude? if so i wouldn't mess with you lol.or the guy that i saw in the white shirt and red shorts? or do you guys just work their? I was in amherst when you were smoke screening us.

lol, ur afraid of a fat guy? come on.

more fat less muscle = bad
more muscle less fat = good

i think i have him beat tremendously in that category.

Fear Of Theive
08-30-2007, 02:43 PM
he's like e straight gang member not afraid just wouldn't be my choice of guys to fight fyi.

BreakingBad
08-30-2007, 02:44 PM
he's like e straight gang member not afraid just wouldn't be my choice of guys to fight fyi.

i guess our levels of fear differ.

and whats his gang called? crips? bloodz? doenutz?

Fear Of Theive
08-30-2007, 03:45 PM
man,why are you always hating on them. i've never been to their shop personally. but i talked to them at the show\saw them. and they seem to be cool guys. no he'd be in hell's angel's. You'd know which one he would be because his harley would have a 18 on the back :)

Fear Of Theive
08-30-2007, 03:46 PM
And the dude in the red shorts with white shirt is a muscler guy. and with the big white dude thier one big strong team? best of both worlds.....so yea unless ur straight cage fighter i udnno might be tough.

BreakingBad
08-30-2007, 07:00 PM
no, i just think that our levels of fear differ.

anyway, to answer your retarded question of "why am i hatin on them"..

have you read the first post? not even once?

they ****ed my car up big time at their shop. ive listed what they did multiple times..go read..

i can guarantee that if they ****ed your car in which you forked out over $600 in labor and repairs, you'd be pretty pissed too.

Fear Of Theive
08-31-2007, 01:52 PM
no i wouldn't of been pissed i would of taken legal actions off the bat. and i don't leave my vechicle at a shop if i can avoid it.But thats just me,Btw i did read your first post last night and a while ago.

BreakingBad
08-31-2007, 07:38 PM
no i wouldn't of been pissed i would of taken legal actions off the bat. and i don't leave my vechicle at a shop if i can avoid it.But thats just me,Btw i did read your first post last night and a while ago.

well sometimes it's just not financially 'smart' to start legal problems.

nutz threatened to sue me for making fun of him on realm of excursion and ca.com. and he was going to contact his "attory" and sue me for "libel and slader"

pioneerpimp
08-31-2007, 07:45 PM
hows that XXX do? must be ****mnnn nice

Nutz
08-31-2007, 10:00 PM
No wasn't personally in amherst. George, Dennis and Sodda were in Amherst. Dennis is about 6'2" about 300. George is 6'0 about 195. I am 5'11 about 220. So if that is fight here we are. Bring on the twinkies......I also know when I was 20 years old I was about 195, so ten years later put on a few pounds and sure it will happen to some other people also....don't care....smoke another and I will share my munchies.....

Anyways.....he is just upset because he got caught on line bad mouthing us when in fact he could have had his car completely fixed for free if he would have listened to us, came back to us without bad mouthing us.

I don't take my steak to McDonalds and them complain that they didn't cook it right and expect them to be nice to me when I bad mouth them behind my back.

You bought a system that was not complete, expected us to put it together, we did as you requested. Didn't listen to us when we recommended to not play the system until his alternator was replaced. He has video to show that he did and his system was further damaged. Enough said....If you would have brought it back to us without talking s**t we would have helped you, just like we help every customer that walks through our front door, otherwise we would not be in business......

Keep responding and crying like a little kid. Get over yourself and realize you don't know everything to life, then maybe you would be a laid back respectable person. In the mean time keep making yourself look like an idiot and threaten me like something is going to happen. :veryhapp::veryhapp::veryhapp:

AudioAnonymous
08-31-2007, 10:33 PM
Soooooo. You comnig to Finals in SM3-4? I don't want to be the only one in that class that has to go against those **** loud Euros. :(

BreakingBad
09-01-2007, 12:35 PM
Anyways.....he is just upset because he got caught on line bad mouthing us when in fact he could have had his car completely fixed for free if he would have listened to us, came back to us without bad mouthing us.

I don't take my steak to McDonalds and them complain that they didn't cook it right and expect them to be nice to me when I bad mouth them behind my back.

You bought a system that was not complete, expected us to put it together, we did as you requested. Didn't listen to us when we recommended to not play the system until his alternator was replaced. He has video to show that he did and his system was further damaged. Enough said....If you would have brought it back to us without talking s**t we would have helped you, just like we help every customer that walks through our front door, otherwise we would not be in business......

Keep responding and crying like a little kid. Get over yourself and realize you don't know everything to life, then maybe you would be a laid back respectable person. In the mean time keep making yourself look like an idiot and threaten me like something is going to happen. :veryhapp::veryhapp::veryhapp:

i was "caught" online bad mouthing you? uh, last time i checked i wasn't "caught", and i bad mouthed your company because:

A) I was as kind as can be until you told me that the problem didn't lie with your install, the problem was the "size of my amp". You wired a sub backwards, and when it wasn't producing bass like it was supposed to, you said MORE POWER.

B) I came back down to your shop in which you re-wired my sub in front of me - and oh, as soon as i'm present.. IT WORKS! Magic huh? I guess all those twinkies had your head spinnin before i came down there to WATCH you do the work the RIGHT way.

C) I DID ask for a refund after you "fixed" your f*ck up. You blatently told me no, that i was an idiot, and that i didn't deserve one.

Yeah dude, i'm sure i'm crying like a little kid meanwhile you're the one who sees it fit to continue this thread and cannot drop the issue. Anyone with a brain that isn't sucking on your testicles can see that you are a joke of an installer, as DOZENS of people have already pointed out.

I made no threats to you. You keep harassing me for some unknown reason, and I finally said if you got beef, get your fat *** fingers off the keyboard and come 1 on 1 and start beef face to face... you don't have the balls to do that, and/or you'd roll with 20 of your nuttie buddies.

For real, if 100 people have replied to both the thread on ROE and CA, about 98 have seen RIGHT through you, your ****** install and your lack of addressing the main issue - you f*cking up. you attempt to respond with some witty response, totally avoiding the main issue at hand.

You just keep going higher and higher on the noob scale every time you reply.

BreakingBad
09-01-2007, 12:36 PM
hows that XXX do? must be ****mnnn nice

haven't had a chance to bang it hard yet, but should be by next week! vid's to come :)

Nutz
09-05-2007, 12:06 AM
Audio: we will be there in SM3-4 and SS1-2. Not expecting any big numbers this year to be honest at this time. Hopefully things will change over the next month and half, but all the numbers recorded this year was full blast, no sandbagging as we have been accused of.

BreakingBad
09-06-2007, 12:05 PM
every time you reply, rest assured i will too.

you ****ed my car up, bottom line.

PITTSBURGHERS considering going to team nutz:

i HIGHLY suggest you choose another shop...these guys don't give 2 shits about you or your vehicle, and only care about one thing: $$$

BETTER shop who will actually HELP you and CARE about your business there: Auto Illusions.

don't let nutz "records" fool you into shopping with them... anyone with $$$ and half a brain can win car audio competitions, because that's all it really is..an assload of money poured into subs and amps.

on a 1-10? -17.

Nutz
09-08-2007, 12:00 AM
:uhoh::uhoh:

Sf_Kilo
09-09-2007, 03:57 AM
Well I was crusing along in the 350Z and saw a Team Nutz sticker on a white trailblazer. After laughing at the sh*tty looking chrome tipped fart can hanging down slightly crooked on the back, I thought well maybe they didn't do that part. Then I became slightly annoyed when they wouldn't go past 32mph in a 35mph zone, well needless to say I passed them asap.
I have been in the market for a custom sub enclosure for about 6 months. I have all the plans/volumes/freq. laid the out but no time to construct my self (working full time & pi$$ing with the subie full time). I thought to myself, I have seen way too many Team Nutz stickers and I may as well have a look at their website, that was not possible as it was down tonight. So next I went to Nasioc to check the Subie forums for info, Not too much there. Next was GOOGLE and here we are at the #3 result. I have just finished reading the entire thread and well I am with sublime06 on this one, you slipped up and did a bassackwards hook-up, Period end of story (Also, The customer is always right).
Lets just say they will not be getting the business I was considering bringing them. Nor will I have anything good to say if the topic comes up in conversation on the Subaru forums.
Nutz all you really needed to do was say "I was wrong, I will fix the issue as I stand behind my work 100%". That response would have netted you some business, but instead I had to read 13 pages of you being an A$$ about the situation.

P.S. Nutz I would suggest you get a tutor :graduate: of some sort, Then come back to the forums once you can converse in complete sentences. Spelling is a plus too, Half the words you type are butchered beyond recognition. I am not sure I want someone who can't post logically in a forum building a tuned enclosure with a +/- 1% tolerance. Good luck with future business if you think the customer is wrong all the time.

mjf
09-09-2007, 04:22 AM
Well I was crusing along in the 350Z and saw a Team Nutz sticker on a white trailblazer. After laughing at the sh*tty looking chrome tipped fart can hanging down slightly crooked on the back, I thought well maybe they didn't do that part. Then I became slightly annoyed when they wouldn't go past 32mph in a 35mph zone, well needless to say I passed them asap.
I have been in the market for a custom sub enclosure for about 6 months. I have all the plans/volumes/freq. laid the out but no time to construct my self (working full time & pi$$ing with the subie full time). I thought to myself, I have seen way too many Team Nutz stickers and I may as well have a look at their website, that was not possible as it was down tonight. So next I went to Nasioc to check the Subie forums for info, Not too much there. Next was GOOGLE and here we are at the #3 result. I have just finished reading the entire thread and well I am with sublime06 on this one, you slipped up and did a bassackwards hook-up, Period end of story (Also, The customer is always right).
Lets just say they will not be getting the business I was considering bringing them. Nor will I have anything good to say if the topic comes up in conversation on the Subaru forums.
Nutz all you really needed to do was say "I was wrong, I will fix the issue as I stand behind my work 100&#37;". That response would have netted you some business, but instead I had to read 13 pages of you being an A$$ about the situation.

P.S. Nutz I would suggest you get a tutor :graduate: of some sort, Then come back to the forums once you can converse in complete sentences. Spelling is a plus too, Half the words you type are butchered beyond recognition. I am not sure I want someone who can't post logically in a forum building a tuned enclosure with a +/- 1% tolerance. Good luck with future business if you think the customer is wrong all the time.

Atleast someone knows how to use google.:D

I'm just waiting for nutz to come back and complain again about how hes going to try to get a lawyer involved because a customer review "damages his business"

other threads pointing out where he doesnt even understand what the word slander means.

http://realmofexcursion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29533
http://realmofexcursion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29291&page=29 last post on page
http://realmofexcursion.com/forum/showpost.php?p=360691&postcount=290

Nutz is a total *******.

AudioAnonymous
09-09-2007, 11:12 AM
Audio: we will be there in SM3-4 and SS1-2. Not expecting any big numbers this year to be honest at this time. Hopefully things will change over the next month and half, but all the numbers recorded this year was full blast, no sandbagging as we have been accused of.

So your gonna do a 165 in SM3-4. I have faith in you. I'll be around a 162+.

BreakingBad
09-09-2007, 07:51 PM
Well I was crusing along in the 350Z and saw a Team Nutz sticker on a white trailblazer. After laughing at the sh*tty looking chrome tipped fart can hanging down slightly crooked on the back, I thought well maybe they didn't do that part. Then I became slightly annoyed when they wouldn't go past 32mph in a 35mph zone, well needless to say I passed them asap.
I have been in the market for a custom sub enclosure for about 6 months. I have all the plans/volumes/freq. laid the out but no time to construct my self (working full time & pi$$ing with the subie full time). I thought to myself, I have seen way too many Team Nutz stickers and I may as well have a look at their website, that was not possible as it was down tonight. So next I went to Nasioc to check the Subie forums for info, Not too much there. Next was GOOGLE and here we are at the #3 result. I have just finished reading the entire thread and well I am with sublime06 on this one, you slipped up and did a bassackwards hook-up, Period end of story (Also, The customer is always right).
Lets just say they will not be getting the business I was considering bringing them. Nor will I have anything good to say if the topic comes up in conversation on the Subaru forums.
Nutz all you really needed to do was say "I was wrong, I will fix the issue as I stand behind my work 100%". That response would have netted you some business, but instead I had to read 13 pages of you being an A$$ about the situation.

P.S. Nutz I would suggest you get a tutor :graduate: of some sort, Then come back to the forums once you can converse in complete sentences. Spelling is a plus too, Half the words you type are butchered beyond recognition. I am not sure I want someone who can't post logically in a forum building a tuned enclosure with a +/- 1% tolerance. Good luck with future business if you think the customer is wrong all the time.

GOOD choice man. honestly if you can go to the moon, pa area... i HIGHLY recommend Auto Illusions... small shop but they do QUALITY, correct work.

as i had said before i went to them and they immediately saw my grounds under my hood were not upgraded by Nutz, saw that they had a VERY ****** ground (pained sheet metal with wood screws), used braided wire for part of the install, 1/0 for another part, power wire fell out of the fuse block under the hood... god knows how many things they ****ed up on. the only thing they did a HALF way decent job doing was my tint but they still left a billion bubbles throughout it.

BreakingBad
09-09-2007, 07:55 PM
another UPDATE:

some of you may have followed me and my problems, but one big issue with my system was my amp (us amps ax-1500de)

the biggest issue was i was getting a 'fapping' noise from the sub and it was sending a ton of distortion to my sub. sent it back for repair, they replaced a capacitor and sent it back. the 'fapping' went away, but the distortion continued.

after i showed J.R., vice president of us amps pictures of Nutz install, he immediately told dirk, the designer of the amps to check the transistors on the amp. turns out, a bunch of them were bad and the first one was working harder than most of them. he said this was more than likely caused by a bad ground, courtesy of team newbnuts.

Nutz, you looked like a total foolish ******* in front of the vice president of US Amps. Good one noob.

Good news is i get my amp back wednesday and we'll see if it's finally workin..

team nutz customer base:

- people who have limited, low knowledge of audio systems (which was me about year and a half ago)
- people who hear about them (normally through stickers) and have money to blow and did no research

i have yet to actually hear a nutz customer' system that totally just destroys. they brag about their 'comp vehicles'...but i have yet to actually see a flawless, awesome system installed by them fools.

**** them stickers too. buncha newbies who use them anyway, i'd sport a CA.com/ROE sticker any day over their stupid god **** logo everywhere.

Zakerid
09-09-2007, 10:55 PM
i am sure that this thread would have died if they (Nutz) didn't start a posting war.

BreakingBad
09-10-2007, 12:09 AM
this morphed from a simple review into a debate on who's right and who's wrong. i'm not going to let some joke of an installer come on a popular forum where i might in the future (and have in the past) conduct business (selling items, etc.) where reputation is important and bad mouth me when I was the customer that got screwed in the end..

and yes, i wanted this thread locked and/or to die off but nutz feels that he must respond to everything and "defend" his so-called "reputation"... he keeps goin, i will too... i asked to stop this thread pages ago but if he insists..

Nutz
09-12-2007, 01:52 PM
SF Kilo, sorry to hear that, but it is a free country, do as you wish. Audioworks might be able to help you........and sorry that i didn't use spell check.......I think the point is stated.......


AudioAn.....we just put the charge back on the van for the first time this season. Batteries were low. I hope to repeat last years 162, we still have the same equipment so its going to be hard to gain drastically.



Sublime.....I am glad to hear that you sent your amp back for now the second time. Did we forget to mention that Auto Illusions changed your ground wire the last time the system was playing. So Dirk says there is a bad ground wire.....Could be, havn't seen the car in 6 months. But you claimed that Auto Illusions fixed your ground wire and moved it to the shock mount????? So why did this problem happen again.

It worked for nine months when we installed it, now that you touched it, it doesn't work????? Lets talk about the real issues.....The only mistake we made was taking him as a customer after he called US Amps and bad mouthed us to try to get a dealer account off of us for his Vitamin Shop. US Amps declined him and sent him back to us. That is when we should have told him NO.........

Doesn't matter, bottom line is your hear to bash us and that is what you do in life....keep up the good work.......Maybe you can start a fan club, I will send you referrals when we get them.......

Anyone that wants to hear one of our vehicles feel free to stop in. If you don't want to stop in and find out what we are really about so be it also......

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 02:04 PM
SF Kilo, sorry to hear that, but it is a free country, do as you wish. Audioworks might be able to help you........and sorry that i didn't use spell check.......I think the point is stated.......


AudioAn.....we just put the charge back on the van for the first time this season. Batteries were low. I hope to repeat last years 162, we still have the same equipment so its going to be hard to gain drastically.



Sublime.....I am glad to hear that you sent your amp back for now the second time. Did we forget to mention that Auto Illusions changed your ground wire the last time the system was playing. So Dirk says there is a bad ground wire.....Could be, havn't seen the car in 6 months. But you claimed that Auto Illusions fixed your ground wire and moved it to the shock mount????? So why did this problem happen again.

It worked for nine months when we installed it, now that you touched it, it doesn't work????? Lets talk about the real issues.....The only mistake we made was taking him as a customer after he called US Amps and bad mouthed us to try to get a dealer account off of us for his Vitamin Shop. US Amps declined him and sent him back to us. That is when we should have told him NO.........

Doesn't matter, bottom line is your hear to bash us and that is what you do in life....keep up the good work.......Maybe you can start a fan club, I will send you referrals when we get them.......


first numbnutz, the distortion problem was occuring while i had my sx 12's, which were installed by you. the distortion problem STARTED when the ground was on PAINTED SHEET METAL, held by WOOD SCREWS.

auto illusions upgraded my grounds under my hood, and i moved my ground to a BETTER, more secure place.

and yes, i have my amp back and everything is flawless, thanks to yours truly and us amps. bad transistors, more than likely caused by a bad ground COUGH COUGH.

the problem didnt start with my ground - it started with your ground.

i WISH you would have said no to my install, so i would have saved $$ and time and the stress of dealing with you and your shops **** ups.

sending amp back for repair, twice: $80
upgrading wiring and grounds: $30
new rcas: $25
listening to the vice president of us amps essentially call Nutz a moron: priceless

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 02:18 PM
and to make things worse, Nutz is NOW, after degrading me as a customer and telling everyone they're nothing but idiots, he's NOW trying to act like the cool suave installer professional....

too late. you screwed up, big time

dumple
09-12-2007, 02:19 PM
i need to make a trip out to visit your shop im in johnstown right now

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 02:21 PM
i need to make a trip out to visit your shop im in johnstown right now

i'd stay away from his shop dude. re-read this thread, and specifically this thread on realm of excursion:

http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/showthread.php?t=29291

after reading both threads through, i HIGHLY doubt you want to go visit nutz shop and/or give them business.

dozens of people have seen through him, hope you can too

dumple
09-12-2007, 02:23 PM
didnt say i was going to buy anything just check it out

Twistid
09-12-2007, 02:26 PM
sublime fails at life, hes already been outcasted from one forum, after making one of those "im leaving now" because its the interwebz and he cares so much about what his online peers care about him

he seriously sent me a pm talking about how he just turned his gains up nearly 100% to see how loud he could get it, then it started messing up and was like "you think i could blame it on the shop?"

i dident want to tell anyone and get anyone in trouble, but i believe he's trying to put off his own mistake on your shop which isent right

:)

dumple
09-12-2007, 02:28 PM
sublime fails at life, hes already been outcasted from one forum, after making one of those "im leaving now" because its the interwebz and he cares so much about what his online peers care about him

he seriously sent me a pm talking about how he just turned his gains up nearly 100% to see how loud he could get it, then it started messing up and was like "you think i could blame it on the shop?"

i dident want to tell anyone and get anyone in trouble, but i believe he's trying to put off his own mistake on your shop which isent right

:)

proofs?

Twistid
09-12-2007, 02:29 PM
i wish i wouldve taken a screen shot, but this was months ago before this whole thread thing started, i do alot of buisness and clear out my pm's nearly weekly

dumple
09-12-2007, 02:31 PM
is that really ur plate in ur avatar lol but on topic i dont really trust someones words on the internet so im going to give the shop a chance and see whats its about sometime i dont need any work one unless they tint for a nice price because i can do the rest my self

Twistid
09-12-2007, 02:37 PM
check em out dude, apparently they know what there doin if they can do 162 on the tl and have dozens of trophys and comp winners

lol but no thats not my plate, i wish lol

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 02:46 PM
actually, dumple, Twistid is what you would call a "Troll" on both caraudio.com and ROE

i left ROE because mods can't handle talking about marijuana..

i never turned my gains up, nutz turned them up when there was no bass due to my sub being wired wrong. you want to waste money at their shop, go for it, but i know 2 other shops who blow them away in every aspect.

just because you can install subs and amps doesn't mean that you do high-quality installs on EVERY customers install, never make any mistakes, etc. nutz should of took accountability for what he did to my vehicle...but wait..he didnt.... so thats what, like minus 100 points in the customer service category?

Twistid
09-12-2007, 02:47 PM
again, trying to cover up the fact that he turned the gains up all the way and messed up his own equipment,

then after it was messed up, he took it back to the shop, they did the same thing AFTER it was already messed up, and blamed them!

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 02:49 PM
again, trying to cover up the fact that he turned the gains up all the way and messed up his own equipment,

then after it was messed up, he took it back to the shop, they did the same thing AFTER it was already messed up, and blamed them!

you and platestacked are known on CA to be ******* retarded USAF recruits who think they know everything. i cant even count how many of your ******* posts i've seen in people's sigs making fun of you.

i didn't turn my gains up. i love how this dude lives hundreds of miles away from me, yet he knows what i do to my equipment in my trunk. LMAO

and theres that fact that like, 27 people disagree with you. but wait, you probably dont care because you "know it all"

Twistid
09-12-2007, 02:50 PM
because you told me! again you goto personal attacks because you know your wrong !

i wish i have a screen shot of when you asked me if you should blame it on the shop after you turned the gains all the way up

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 02:54 PM
because you told me! again you goto personal attacks because you know your wrong !

i wish i have a screen shot if when you asked me if you should blame it on the shop after you turned the gains all the way up

LMFAO.

wow dude, you talk about me smokin bud and act like its a bad thing..

WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU ON?

i never once said that, wish your screenshots away because you had nothing to take a screenshot of except me calling you a douschebag for pm'ing me like a schoolgirl with a crush

please, troll somewhere else

ace_800
09-12-2007, 02:54 PM
Twisted- so how do you account for the sub being wired incorrectly? And him being told he needs a bigger amp? Let me guess he made it up.

Gaud you make the AF look dumber and dumber. So glad I'm not stationed with you.

Twistid
09-12-2007, 02:56 PM
whatever you say,

we both know you asked me if you should blame it on the shop after you messed up your own stuff... i just thought i'd tell nutz where your comming from with all this you messed up equipment, when it was actually you!

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 02:58 PM
ok, then prove it.

prove that I, I ****ed my own **** up.

i have pictures and receipts to prove Nutz did it.

what do you have?

ace_800
09-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Still never answered the Sub wiring question.

BTW twistid, where are you stationed?





















Just want to know where not to go.

Twistid
09-12-2007, 03:00 PM
when was it ever wired wrong? where did nutz post his admission that he wired it wrong?

ace_800
09-12-2007, 03:06 PM
If newbnuts is not going to admit any of the *** ups they did, why would he admit the sub was wired wrong? Thats my point, they should have just come out and admit they screwed up the first time and fixed it, instead of trying to defend theirselfs.

Sublime went in to have his sub mounted and wired along with his amp, they tell him it needs more power. Lime takes it in again and rewire the sub, wala bass.

You fail. Get out of my AF. lol

Nutz
09-12-2007, 03:47 PM
Thank you twisted, wish you had a copy……

Ace: The problem wasn't wiring. We wired his sub up first; there were voltage drops below 9 volts. This was because he removed his alternator and put back in his factory alt. I asked him not to play the system until we figure out what all is wrong. My fault for not pulling the fuse to prevent him from playing it. But I did leave the gain down at this time.

The sub didn't play correctly. I talked with US Amps, they said that he should consider getting a bigger amp for his sub to move it more efficiently. I relayed the message.

He came back the next day as I asked him to do and we pulled the sub out of the box and rewired it again to be safe. The way we wired it did not change the ohm loads or anything. We turned the gain back up and still had distortion and voltage problems. It is a mono block amp wired in parallel, not a hard system.

So I asked him to protect his equipment. Do not play the system until we get the voltage fixed as it will damage the system. Common Car Audio Knowledge.

But as you can see in video that he posted, he did not listen. He played the system and damaged his sub and amp. End of story. Accuse me of not taking his fuse out of his amp so he couldn’t play it, I will take that. Servicing a customer we did do. We gave our recommendations, he felt his own were better and here we are today.

I would probably still help him get his system playing even possibly for free to have another customer on the road with a properly playing stereo system. That is the type of person I am. But this is the route that he chooses instead. Call me defending myself: maybe. Trying to get the truth out about the subject sound more like it.

I am not the one on here name calling and cussing up a storm, because I am not the one that is caught in a lye…..

AcuraRSX544
09-12-2007, 03:54 PM
I have been following this for some time now

This situation is out of control.

Sublime, grow up, you obviously have a problem with authority on forums, what makes you think we would believe that you took nutz's advice.

Any idiot knows that low voltage damages electronic equipment. Take the hint and get it fixed.

Grow up and move on, quit being a crying little girl.

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 05:27 PM
I have been following this for some time now

This situation is out of control.

Sublime, grow up, you obviously have a problem with authority on forums, what makes you think we would believe that you took nutz's advice.

Any idiot knows that low voltage damages electronic equipment. Take the hint and get it fixed.

Grow up and move on, quit being a crying little girl.

and let me guess, you're one of Nutz customers who he asked come register and defend him? 1 post? get a life, you havent followed **** and you're just Nutz' puppet. why dont you grow some balls and ask Nutz for my address, and show up at my house and say that **** you ***** *****.


Thank you twisted, wish you had a copy……

Ace: The problem wasn't wiring. We wired his sub up first; there were voltage drops below 9 volts. This was because he removed his alternator and put back in his factory alt. I asked him not to play the system until we figure out what all is wrong. My fault for not pulling the fuse to prevent him from playing it. But I did leave the gain down at this time.

The sub didn't play correctly. I talked with US Amps, they said that he should consider getting a bigger amp for his sub to move it more efficiently. I relayed the message.

He came back the next day as I asked him to do and we pulled the sub out of the box and rewired it again to be safe. The way we wired it did not change the ohm loads or anything. We turned the gain back up and still had distortion and voltage problems. It is a mono block amp wired in parallel, not a hard system.

So I asked him to protect his equipment. Do not play the system until we get the voltage fixed as it will damage the system. Common Car Audio Knowledge.

But as you can see in video that he posted, he did not listen. He played the system and damaged his sub and amp. End of story. Accuse me of not taking his fuse out of his amp so he couldn’t play it, I will take that. Servicing a customer we did do. We gave our recommendations, he felt his own were better and here we are today.

I would probably still help him get his system playing even possibly for free to have another customer on the road with a properly playing stereo system. That is the type of person I am. But this is the route that he chooses instead. Call me defending myself: maybe. Trying to get the truth out about the subject sound more like it.

I am not the one on here name calling and cussing up a storm, because I am not the one that is caught in a lye…..


Hey dingdong, you called me at my job and told me this, specifically:

"Hey uh..dude like we wired it up, got the sub in, but as soon as we started to play it, we smelled a burning smell and turned if off. We don't recommend you play this until you get a new alternator and a much bigger amp, 3,000+ is what greg recommends." This sub can handle much more wattage. But you BLATENTLY told me the sub would "NOT WORK" with anything less than 3,000 watts.

This is why i don't believe you, your company, or greg at us amps. First i took out the upgraded alternator because i upgraded to an Excessive Amperage alternator. My system was NOT played on my stock alternator except by YOU.

You wired my sub wrong. I brought my car back, you re-wired it in front of me, and oo..even on the stock alternator when you played it... BASS!

Don't forget to mention how you turned the gain ALL the way up to try to reproduce ANY bass when the problem was in fact your bad wiring job on the sub.

i have 5 eyeball witnesses that got my back and looked over my equipment... you ****ed up...do you realize that to this day all you had to say was "sorry, we wired it wrong, i sincerely apologize, how can i help"

...and all would have been peachy. i'm not a **** customer. i spent HOW much money with you on my 12's and my tint... i was a 3rd time returning customer.. and i was treated like pure garbage.

honestly **** you and everyone who agrees with you, i got video, pictures to prove your ****ups, the vice president of Us amps agrees with me and thinks your a total moron along with about 30 people on CA/ROE...

give it up already. you lose.

and by the way, whats a "lye"? i've never heard of being caught up in a "lye" before. i've heard people being caught up in a "LIE", which is what you are, but not Lye.

Twistid
09-12-2007, 05:32 PM
actually you lose

your the one with the ****ed up equipment

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 05:36 PM
actually you lose

your the one with the ****ed up equipment

not anymore *****, it all works.

i was wangin' all day, made a bunch of highschool kids almost **** their pants too.

Twistid
09-12-2007, 05:38 PM
your the coolest

ace_800
09-12-2007, 05:45 PM
Sublime, I'd just give up on this, some will listen some won't. If they decide to go to newbnutz shop and have **** jack up so be it. Its their money and equipment that get ****ed up. As you stated a simple appology would have be the easiest way to solve this.



Thank you twisted, wish you had a copy……

Ace: The problem wasn't wiring. We wired his sub up first; there were voltage drops below 9 volts. This was because he removed his alternator and put back in his factory alt.
The sub didn't play correctly. I talked with US Amps, they said that he should consider getting a bigger amp for his sub to move it more efficiently. I relayed the message.


Nutz, sorry but 1500 is plenty to run that sub. Should have pounded with 1500, he would not have needed a bigger amp. It should have been ok with the stock alt as well.



Twistid- you still never told me where you are stationed.

BTW, I'm done with this thread. Nutz will continue to post trying to defend his shop and have new members(Acura34ry3na or whatever) join and post that sublimes lying. /thread once and for all.

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 05:58 PM
Sublime, I'd just give up on this, some will listen some won't. If they decide to go to newbnutz shop and have **** jack up so be it. Its their money and equipment that get ****ed up. As you stated a simple appology would have be the easiest way to solve this.



Nutz, sorry but 1500 is plenty to run that sub. Should have pounded with 1500, he would not have needed a bigger amp. It should have been ok with the stock alt as well.



Twistid- you still never told me where you are stationed.

BTW, I'm done with this thread. Nutz will continue to post trying to defend his shop and have new members(Acura34ry3na or whatever) join and post that sublimes lying. /thread once and for all.

you're exactly right. it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes. and btw, it DOES pound with 1500 :D makin videos tonite or tomo.

AcuraRSX544
09-12-2007, 06:35 PM
You don’t know me, and I am not a customer of there because I do my own work. I have seen those guys at shows and from the looks and sounds of there vehicles you should be on there nutz compared to what you got.

Actually I have seen your car before, and it sounds like azz. Who puts an 18 on there back seat

Impress the high school kids, next you can go to the elementary school and pass out candy because you’re so cool.

These shows were your maturity level is.

You messed your own car up and can't admit it, so you’re looking for sympathy. Not going to happen. Its electronics they don’t always work they way they are supposed to.

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 08:10 PM
lmao, youre a noob. shut up. go **** on Nutz' nuts some more like most of their bandwagon followers

AcuraRSX544
09-12-2007, 08:40 PM
Obviously you’re on his nutz, because every time he responds you come running.

I might be new here, but I know enough to see that you’re a dumbazz that shouldn’t touch cars.

Let the man run his business. If it’s bad it will run itself into the ground, if it is award winning as his site shows, then they must be doing something right and showing you’re just another idiot that has nothing better to do then *itch.

BreakingBad
09-12-2007, 09:45 PM
Obviously youíre on his nutz, because every time he responds you come running.

I might be new here, but I know enough to see that youíre a dumbazz that shouldnít touch cars.

Let the man run his business. If itís bad it will run itself into the ground, if it is award winning as his site shows, then they must be doing something right and showing youíre just another idiot that has nothing better to do then *itch.

rofl every post you make just goes to show you are another one of his cronies who he got to come sign up and say something here.

shut up. thanks.

mjf
09-12-2007, 10:47 PM
and since you feel content being stupid nuts.

polarity wont change ohm load as you have stated, the ohm load did not change when you rewired it. Ohm loads the same, but their in phase with eachother. :rolleyes:

yet it will reduce output tremendously and damage the sub if the coils are wired out of phase from eachother.

Nutz
09-13-2007, 11:09 AM
MJF I am glad you read your MECP book, anything else that you want to quote from it.....because I already know that......:crazy:

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 12:37 PM
MJF I am glad you read your MECP book, anything else that you want to quote from it.....because I already know that......:crazy:

then why didnt you act like a man, admit you wired the sub out of phase and ask me how you could help instead of lying and defending yourself like you never did anything wrong?

ace_800
09-13-2007, 12:39 PM
Cause that would be admitting he was wrong.

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 12:46 PM
Cause that would be admitting he was wrong.

obviously.

Nutz knows that he's so deep in a lie that if he would admit being wrong NOW it would make him look even worse and damage his rep beyond repair..

actually, around here his rep has already been damaged beyond repair.

i miss the days when you pay someone big $$$ for a service and they actually give you a thing called CUSTOMER SERVICE. i was kicked to the curb as soon as i questioned the integrity of the install. right there was enough for me to write a very negative review, not to mention my ground being on painted sheet metal, alan keys hanging off the magnets of my 12's, power wire falling out of the fuse block, etc.

on top of that the ***** comes on here calling me a liar, an idiot, a druggie and god knows what else. just goes to show you what kind of man he really is. or female. i couldnt really tell.

thank GOD i'm starting to learn this all myself because Lord knows for my next vehicle any and all of my business is going to Auto Illusions..these guys allow you into the shop, they explain whats wrong, what needs changed and why, etc. little more expensive with car audio installs, but i guess you get what you pay for.

7926lexus
09-13-2007, 12:56 PM
Sublime I have a question for u. When team nutz installed your first set up & u said it was good did u get on here & tell everyone how the job was after u got it done? Probably not so why are u on here bashimg them now ? That makes u look like an ***.

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 01:02 PM
Sublime I have a question for u. When team nutz installed your first set up & u said it was good did u get on here & tell everyone how the job was after u got it done? Probably not so why are u on here bashimg them now ? That makes u look like an ***.

actually, at that time i knew nothing about car audio and i didnt know about these forums, or realm of excursion.

i got on both forums looking for answers to questions i had.

and IF i knew about car audio back then, i would have written a bad review immediately..

ground on painted sheet metal with wood screws.. power wire fell out of the fuse block...

alan keys hanging off the magnets on my 12's...

braided wire used in conjunction with 1/0...

cheap **** rca's..

the list goes on..

Twistid
09-13-2007, 01:03 PM
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8067/gayvp4.jpg

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 01:05 PM
so nice seeing "This message is hidden because Twistid is on your ignore list."

:D

ace_800
09-13-2007, 01:07 PM
Twistid run away when I ask him a question.

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 01:10 PM
Twistid run away when I ask him a question.

lmao, i googled psychology and why people must "make fun" and degrade other people.. heres a yahoo response...

"It's what I like to call 'small ***** syndrome'

Basically, they're trying to put other people down so they feel bigger/better/smarter/whatever...

Don't worry about. You can't fix stupid. Just move on and go about your day. "

sounds like twistid to a T

7926lexus
09-13-2007, 01:11 PM
All your **** worked U were a happy customer because if not u would have never went back to them. As for some that **** it's like anything with vehicle maintance u have to keep up on it. The wood screw through sheet metal not good but it worked for a year so why r u *****ing. It still wasn't a problem. I work in the automotive field & i under stand u can't make everyone happy but when ur where happy with them which u can't say u weren't or u wouldn't have went back I'm sure u didn't run around telling everyone u could that team nutz did a good job on ur car. So maybe u should just let this go.

ace_800
09-13-2007, 01:12 PM
Sublime I have a question for u. When team nutz installed your first set up & u said it was good did u get on here & tell everyone how the job was after u got it done? Probably not so why are u on here bashimg them now ? That makes u look like an ***.


Hey look another one, from pitt as well. Could it be a Nutz guy???
:sneaky::sneaky::sneaky::sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:






:yureawsm:


All your **** worked U were a happy customer because if not u would have never went back to them. As for some that **** it's like anything with vehicle maintance u have to keep up on it. The wood screw through sheet metal not good but it worked for a year so why r u *****ing. It still wasn't a problem. I work in the automotive field & i under stand u can't make everyone happy but when ur where happy with them which u can't say u weren't or u wouldn't have went back I'm sure u didn't run around telling everyone u could that team nutz did a good job on ur car. So maybe u should just let this go.

I'm sorry WHAT?? I think you said something about being happy once and then not a 2nd time. WTF's wrong with that? They ****ed up the second time. It wasn't caught the first time. I'd be pissed too and probably not go back to any shop or store if they jacked my **** up the 2nd time I went back. Even if I was happy with something I bought a year before that I liked. *******

7926lexus
09-13-2007, 01:16 PM
ace 800 i'm not in any way connected with team nutz i buy all my **** online & install all my own **** have been doing it since i before i started driving I work for a chrysler dealer. Just trying 2 understand why people r the way they r.

ace_800
09-13-2007, 01:18 PM
ace 800 i'm not in any way connected with team nutz i buy all my **** online & install all my own **** have been doing it since i before i started driving I work for a chrysler dealer. Just trying 2 understand why people r the way they r.


Well you obviously didn't read everything that happened then.

7926lexus
09-13-2007, 01:22 PM
I have read most of it so what if he ****ed up & didn't admit it tell me that both of u r so perfect & never ****ed anything i'm sure u have & have u admitted to everything that u have done. I doubt u have.

Twistid
09-13-2007, 01:25 PM
Twistid run away when I ask him a question.

what quesiton where am i "running" from? if youve read any of the north carolina meet threads, youd know im in fayetteville/ft.bragg and go up to the local shops all the time, and met plenty of people on this site

infact i offer a meet to almost everyone i see from NC, we have alotta nspl competitors around this area

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 01:28 PM
All your **** worked U were a happy customer because if not u would have never went back to them. As for some that **** it's like anything with vehicle maintance u have to keep up on it. The wood screw through sheet metal not good but it worked for a year so why r u *****ing. It still wasn't a problem. I work in the automotive field & i under stand u can't make everyone happy but when ur where happy with them which u can't say u weren't or u wouldn't have went back I'm sure u didn't run around telling everyone u could that team nutz did a good job on ur car. So maybe u should just let this go.

dude, go back into the install bay and hang out with Nutz.

youre obviously another one of his cronies, 1 post, from pittsburgh.

second, you're supporting the whole "if it worked, let it go" argument. are you ****ING RETARDED?

thats like me installing an audio system, requiring 5,000 W of power and using a 100amp alternator. it will work, but it CAN damage the system.

the ground they used - no excuse for that. the VICE PRESIDENT of US AMPS, and dirk, the designer of the amps both said that was uncalled for. and heres some noob coming on the forums saying that ground was ok. stfu, those guys know more than you.

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 01:29 PM
I have read most of it so what if he ****ed up & didn't admit it tell me that both of u r so perfect & never ****ed anything i'm sure u have & have u admitted to everything that u have done. I doubt u have.

learn basic grammar and mechanics before you come on here *****ing about ****.

i admit when i **** up. Nutz doesn't understand that concept. i didnt do the install. Nutz did. and he ****ed up.

now that i did the majority of the install myself - magic, it works! from a newbie installer!

ace_800
09-13-2007, 01:39 PM
I have read most of it so what if he ****ed up & didn't admit it tell me that both of u r so perfect & never ****ed anything i'm sure u have & have u admitted to everything that u have done. I doubt u have.


but I'm not the owner of a PROFESSIONAL CAR AUDIO INSTALL SHOP!! and if I was and ****ed someones equipment up or an employee did, I WOULD ADMIT TO IT. Thats the f'n point. Once again *******.

ace_800
09-13-2007, 01:40 PM
what quesiton where am i "running" from? if youve read any of the north carolina meet threads, youd know im in fayetteville/ft.bragg and go up to the local shops all the time, and met plenty of people on this site

infact i offer a meet to almost everyone i see from NC, we have alotta nspl competitors around this area

Sorry, never on those threads. Let me go to vMPF and make sure I don't have that area on my dreamsheet.

7926lexus
09-13-2007, 01:42 PM
Yea i am from the burgh & I am new to this site but one of his cronies no. I was just asking a simple question because i deal with people like u everyday. U think u are perfect & as far as u knew ur first install was great when u got it done but i'm sure u didn't tell all ur friends to go to team nutz & have their **** done there. So why get on here & bash them. I'm sure there is truth to both sides but u act like ur so perfect & know it all. I'm sure every car stereo place around here has ****ed someones car up do u see them on here crying no they just went somewhere else. They probably told their friends not to go there & let it go **** happens.

ace_800
09-13-2007, 01:55 PM
Yea i am from the burgh & I am new to this site but one of his cronies no. I was just asking a simple question because i deal with people like u everyday. U think u are perfect & as far as u knew ur first install was great when u got it done but i'm sure u didn't tell all ur friends to go to team nutz & have their **** done there. So why get on here & bash them. I'm sure there is truth to both sides but u act like ur so perfect & know it all. I'm sure every car stereo place around here has ****ed someones car up do u see them on here crying no they just went somewhere else. They probably told their friends not to go there & let it go **** happens.

If you look at other threads not related to this one, yes there are others that INFORM other that a shop has screwed up. Who cares if he didn't say anything to anyone about the first job being good. I'd rather have nothing said about my company than something bad.

Who said anything about being perfect, but when you **** up at least admit it and fix it. Not just say tough **** and not do anything. If you work at an automotive field and treated a customer like that, you think they would come back? hell no. You sound like a Nissan customer service rep, they ****.

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 02:06 PM
Yea i am from the burgh & I am new to this site but one of his cronies no. I was just asking a simple question because i deal with people like u everyday. U think u are perfect & as far as u knew ur first install was great when u got it done but i'm sure u didn't tell all ur friends to go to team nutz & have their **** done there. So why get on here & bash them. I'm sure there is truth to both sides but u act like ur so perfect & know it all. I'm sure every car stereo place around here has ****ed someones car up do u see them on here crying no they just went somewhere else. They probably told their friends not to go there & let it go **** happens.

you obviously havent read this entire thread, let alone the huge thread on ROE.

if you've read both threads ALL the way through, you'd be telling Nutz to go **** a tree.

you ARE one of his cronies. the chances of someone signing up JUST to comment in this thread is very, very low. in my book you are a butt buddy of Nutz'.

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 02:07 PM
If you look at other threads not related to this one, yes there are others that INFORM other that a shop has screwed up. Who cares if he didn't say anything to anyone about the first job being good. I'd rather have nothing said about my company than something bad.

Who said anything about being perfect, but when you **** up at least admit it and fix it. Not just say tough **** and not do anything. If you work at an automotive field and treated a customer like that, you think they would come back? hell no. You sound like a Nissan customer service rep, they ****.

thank god there are people like you and me still on this earth.

props dude, you know what you're talkin about and you can see through the bullshit. some people are just stupid to a point that even talking to them or acknowledging they exist makes you feel more stupid by the second (nutz, all of his buddies with 1-3 posts, etc.)

AcuraRSX544
09-13-2007, 02:48 PM
Those without sin throw the first stone. Ever here of that, probably not. You all need to grow up and leave the shop alone. Accuse me of being a crony, is that the best you have. Just because I have worked in retail and know what f***ing idiots like yourselves are Sublow and Ace. If you know so much then why do you have to go to auto ill. If you know so much do it yourself. Probably because you can’t. But you know how to type and be a tough guy online. When you do something yourself and make some accomplishments then maybe someone will respect you. Acting like he is an English Comp teacher, still messing with High school students.

Shut up and quit being an idiot, no one cares about your cry baby azz.

Twistid nice photo, keep up the good work, at least now they can see the real sublow.

AcuraRSX544
09-13-2007, 02:49 PM
Make that 5

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 02:58 PM
Those without sin throw the first stone. Ever here of that, probably not. You all need to grow up and leave the shop alone. Accuse me of being a crony, is that the best you have. Just because I have worked in retail and know what f***ing idiots like yourselves are Sublow and Ace. If you know so much then why do you have to go to auto ill. If you know so much do it yourself. Probably because you can’t. But you know how to type and be a tough guy online. When you do something yourself and make some accomplishments then maybe someone will respect you. Acting like he is an English Comp teacher, still messing with High school students.

Shut up and quit being an idiot, no one cares about your cry baby azz.

Twistid nice photo, keep up the good work, at least now they can see the real sublow.


hey noobie, did you happen to realize this is the forum for REVIEWING INSTALL SHOPS?

i guess not, so the real idiot here is YOU.

quit runnin your mouth on the internet sissy.

now go back to sucking on Ed's *****, since that seems to be your profession.

AcuraRSX544
09-13-2007, 03:09 PM
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8067/gayvp4.jpg

keep the photo going

ace_800
09-13-2007, 03:12 PM
Those without sin throw the first stone. Ever here of that, probably not. You all need to grow up and leave the shop alone. Accuse me of being a crony, is that the best you have. Just because I have worked in retail and know what f***ing idiots like yourselves are Sublow and Ace. If you know so much then why do you have to go to auto ill. If you know so much do it yourself. Probably because you canít. But you know how to type and be a tough guy online. When you do something yourself and make some accomplishments then maybe someone will respect you. Acting like he is an English Comp teacher, still messing with High school students.

Shut up and quit being an idiot, no one cares about your cry baby azz.

Twistid nice photo, keep up the good work, at least now they can see the real sublow.

Actually I worked at a shop and do my own installs:suicide:. Never been to either shop, but Nutz was still in the wrong. I don't need any respect from anyone online. And BTW this is a install review (which means good or bad) thread:hitbrick:

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 03:25 PM
acura, you really think i give 2 shits about some ********* on the internet photoshopping my picture?

i have the balls to make my picture public... i'm not insecure like some people.. COUGH

don't be jealous that my mug attracts more women then yours.

ignored along with twistid..

you and twistid can enjoy your gay fantasies in my ignore box :D

AcuraRSX544
09-13-2007, 04:18 PM
you gave enough to respond to it. Your an idiot give it up.

Face the facts its in the photo

Nutz
09-13-2007, 04:52 PM
11354

ace_800
09-13-2007, 05:33 PM
Congrats, doesn't mean you don't ****up a time or two. And when you do you should still appologize, thats call good customer service.:crazy:

I know a few shops in SA and Orlando that have or had those installer of the year mags they were in, some now don't get hardly any business or are out of business cause of bad customer service:uhoh:

BreakingBad
09-13-2007, 05:36 PM
Congrats, doesn't mean you don't ****up a time or two. And when you do you should still appologize, thats call good customer service.:crazy:

I know a few shops in SA and Orlando that have or had those installer of the year mags they were in, some now don't get hardly any business or are out of business cause of bad customer service:uhoh:

exactlyyyyyyy.

bottom line is the dude and his pos company are a joke, customer service doesn't exist there, they **** up they dont care and tell the customer to **** off.

Twistid
09-13-2007, 06:09 PM
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8067/gayvp4.jpg

Nutz
09-14-2007, 12:15 AM
ACE:

I never said I am perfect. And believe me we have had things go wrong before. We work with Electronics, Electronics break at the snap of a finger. There is not an installer that can say they have never seen a blown amp, sub, radio or more.

But to crucify me over a mixed up situation that has more mis communication then the president on Iraq is wrong.

When something went wrong with his car, we told him to bring his car back immediately without question. We dropped what we were doing to make sure that we didn't make any mistakes, because it does happen.

Sublime left our shop happy and tells people in our showroom that his system is rattling our glass cases. We were glad, he was happy and we did what we felt was good customer service. We also advised him not to play the system until his voltage problem was fixed!!!!.

So again I ask, how does a system get damaged within days from when it left our shop when he was instructed not to play it until his upgraded alternator was put back in. Simple: He played the system without the upgraded alternator that I told him had a voltage drop below 9 volts, because I tested it myself before removing the alt and after. I even called him to suggest not to remove it because it did work fine, but he said he was getting a new one.

So anyone that wants to agree with him, that is fine, but tell me why 9 volts is not the issue. Say what you want about the braided 4 guage wire (its real 4guage), ground locations, self tapping screws, rca's, alan keys that were stuck to the magnet that each sub comes with in the box.....use all those excuses, but the system worked with 2 12's for nine months with those factors, even worked the day we removed the 12's but it did not work 100% when he asked us to remove his alternator and replace it with a factory alt. Voltage went from 14 volts steady to instant 9 volts when playing the subs..

So am I perfect NO, never said that, but look at the facts and not excuses to 9 volts.

I want to hear who has a system that works at 9 volts and does not get damaged products, especially a high quality amplifier like us that is amperage and voltage hungry. And as he said the Head Tech from US said there were bad grounds could be a result of the problem, when you have a bad ground your voltage will drop, but it is funny that the same wiring minutes before read a steady 14 volts with a different alternator same amplifier, so the ground must have worked a little bit to get 14 volts with a 1500 watt amplifier pumping 140+ db.

He was warned, did not listen to anyone except his internet friends and has sent his amp back for repairs how many times? I have never had to replace a US AMP AX amplifier they are flawless under the right circumstances.

:graduate:

BreakingBad
09-14-2007, 01:04 AM
ACE:

I never said I am perfect. And believe me we have had things go wrong before. We work with Electronics, Electronics break at the snap of a finger. There is not an installer that can say they have never seen a blown amp, sub, radio or more.

But to crucify me over a mixed up situation that has more mis communication then the president on Iraq is wrong.

When something went wrong with his car, we told him to bring his car back immediately without question. We dropped what we were doing to make sure that we didn't make any mistakes, because it does happen.

Sublime left our shop happy and tells people in our showroom that his system is rattling our glass cases. We were glad, he was happy and we did what we felt was good customer service. We also advised him not to play the system until his voltage problem was fixed!!!!.

So again I ask, how does a system get damaged within days from when it left our shop when he was instructed not to play it until his upgraded alternator was put back in. Simple: He played the system without the upgraded alternator that I told him had a voltage drop below 9 volts, because I tested it myself before removing the alt and after. I even called him to suggest not to remove it because it did work fine, but he said he was getting a new one.

So anyone that wants to agree with him, that is fine, but tell me why 9 volts is not the issue. Say what you want about the braided 4 guage wire (its real 4guage), ground locations, self tapping screws, rca's, alan keys that were stuck to the magnet that each sub comes with in the box.....use all those excuses, but the system worked with 2 12's for nine months with those factors, even worked the day we removed the 12's but it did not work 100% when he asked us to remove his alternator and replace it with a factory alt. Voltage went from 14 volts steady to instant 9 volts when playing the subs..

So am I perfect NO, never said that, but look at the facts and not excuses to 9 volts.

I want to hear who has a system that works at 9 volts and does not get damaged products, especially a high quality amplifier like us that is amperage and voltage hungry. And as he said the Head Tech from US said there were bad grounds could be a result of the problem, when you have a bad ground your voltage will drop, but it is funny that the same wiring minutes before read a steady 14 volts with a different alternator same amplifier, so the ground must have worked a little bit to get 14 volts with a 1500 watt amplifier pumping 140+ db.

He was warned, did not listen to anyone except his internet friends and has sent his amp back for repairs how many times? I have never had to replace a US AMP AX amplifier they are flawless under the right circumstances.

:graduate:

wow you must have been dropped on your head as a baby.

1.) you tested my alt when you installed my 12s, apparently it was fine then.
2.) you told me i was having voltage drops and i immediately took it out and put in an EA 200 amp alternator.

the amp was damaged due to a bad ground, you ****ing moron. JR will tell you that.

quit lying and making **** up already, even as i sit here and tell you that i didnt play my system you constantly reply and say i did..and thats your excuse.

stfu. you wired my **** wrong. hop off a cliff

Nutz
09-14-2007, 02:29 AM
Your telling me that you immediately put in your new alt. When your posting on realm that you didn't get your new alt for at least a week after you left my store.

Which one is it????? A on 6/19/07 or B on 7/2/07

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06-19-2007, 06:49 PM #1
KMK
Banned
07 XXX.. 1500W doesnt do sh**

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Ok so i figured that with my new 18" XXX 1500W would be enough to run it until i could afford the 2000DE, but to inform everyone about the new re ****..

this sub needs a minimum of 3000W to just MOVE it.

1500W doesnt do ****.

disappointed, but at the same time curious to see how hard the **** would hit with 3000+.

anyone know of any quality amps that can throw 3000W out besides us amps?

and im serious. my 12" sx slams harder than this **** on 1500W.

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or
B:

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07-02-2007, 02:25 PM #1
KMK
Banned
In your OPINION - what should I do?

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I know my alternator is dropping voltage like crazy because my bass is cutting out randomly, and a lot. Two questions that relate to this issue... can severe voltage drops cause music/bass distortion? i know voltage drops can 'injure' or damage an amp, BUT, can it affect sound quality? like my subs (either the xxx or the 2 sx's) will still hit hard as hell, but it seems as if theres a 'hardness' to the bass, and its not that deep low soft bass (you know what im talking about).. could this change in sound quality/bass be due to the voltage drops or does it sound like the amp has been damaged?

Also. To those of you who saw the sub video i had with the scratching noise.. the voice coil on my sub looks fine. nothing is 'unraveling'. could that scratching noise be attributed to something else such as an amp issue or alternator issue? or does that sound like a sub-specific issue and it needs replaced/repaired regardless?

i'm asking all these questions because i need to narrow down the problems to the TRUE issue at hand, because i would hate to have the sub repaired/replace and when it came down to it it be an alternator or amp issue.

about the alternator.. my stock alternator & battery worked PERFECT (even at 105 amps) with my 2 sx 12's. after i put an aftermarket 200 amp alt in, i had engine whine with a 'humming' coming from the subs. this is on 4 gauge wire from alt to battery. i had this install bay (cough cough) swap out the aftermarket for the stock again, and put in an optima yellow top - now my voltage is dropping like crazy apparently, and the bass is distorted/cuts out and doesn't sound as good as it used to. (and i've tested both the sx's and the xxx)

so what would you guys recommend i do? send sub out for repair/replacement ? (voice coils reading 2.4-2.6 each) send out amp for repair/check up? or does all these issues sound like the alternator & voltage drops?

BreakingBad
09-14-2007, 03:00 AM
yes *******, the stock alt was used on my 12's, but not on my 18. even after having you re-wire my sub i did NOT play my system until i had the alternator upgraded.

youre still beating around the bush... you wired my sub wrong. this has nothing to do with my amp problems (thats a whole nother issue)

Nutz
09-14-2007, 03:50 AM
So you didn't play the sub until you put in the new alternator?

Are these your posts? not sure. I believe KMK is your name on realm?
June 20: This is the day after you left my shop and I told you not to play it until you have the alt......

June 21Then next is when you said you video taped the system playing.....after I said not to......

July 2 you admit to voltage droping and a system cutting out......But how would you know this unless you played your system after I told you not to....

But again it worked when you left Team Nutz, just didn't take there advise.
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06-20-2007, 07:39 PM #144
KMK
Banned

my buddy who's good with this stuff blew me off as far as helping me tonight. i wanted to get this fixed, so i called the install place and *****ED. he said bring it down we will go over it WITH you, which i figured hey they have the tools, i'll be watching, its all good.

he took the sub out, re-did the wiring PROPERLY, i even showed him the diagram, put the sub back in - magic - it's hittin.

BUT.

when he was connecting the voice coils to this little yellow bastard to show me the excursion, one side's voice coil did not move as far as the other one did. he said that could be a manufacturer defect..

i also now have 2 sets of wires since he tied both vc's into each other..watched him do it.. which he thinks fixed the main issue of no bass..

it's definately bangin, but there are some concerns..

i was hearing a literal 'scratching' noise coming from the sub, while idling @ volume 0. it was doing it at higher volumes also. it literally sounded like errrrr errrrrr but almost a scratching noise. called the install guys again.. he said he doesnt know what it could be, we didnt hear it when we tested it out, but he did say my alternator was dropping voltage occasionally which could account for the sub cutting out at certain times and the amp was going into protection..

so basicaly.. i have bass now, but it still needs tweaked. also, it seems that on the low notes instead of gettin real real low and rumbling i can see everything shaking in my car, but outside its not even noticable.

on my head unit there is a x-over option, if selected you can choose like 60hz, 80hz, 100hz, 160 hz, etc etc. what should that be set on?
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06-21-2007, 02:42 PM #177
KMK
Banned
well another update..

apologize for the videos, didnt convert right. i'll try to make some new ones.
(how do you make video's without playing the system???)

about the excursion not being the same on both voice coils when tested, RE said this is normal for the new XXX.

anyway, i talked to RE about the screeching/scratching noise coming from the sub. they said it just sounds like ANOTHER bad wiring job and/or a bad ground somewhere.

i finally got my buddy to get off his *** and help me today, HOPEFULLY, so we are going to take it out, HOPEFULLY re-wire it the correct way and maybe re-do the ground if possible.

more than likely the sub is okay, but the wiring is effed apparently.

funny thing is, the shop won't take responsibility because i didnt BUY IT FROM THEM.

RE was already notified about the shotty customer service and ****ty installs being as they are an authorized RE dealer. i hope to god RE drops those ****s.

and a side note:

to the ****s who say i'm stupid or this thread is stupid, take your gerbil nuts and get the **** out.

and this is also a temp. setup. i'll be getting a new car in a year or so at which point who knows what happens.
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07-02-2007, 02:25 PM #1
KMK
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Ok. A good portion of you saw my previous thread about my XXX 18 and the ensuing problems after i had it installed at a local install bay.

I also have a video on here of the sub making a scratching noise.

This is where I need some guidance on what exactly to do. I'm actually having a guy whos apparently AWESOME with installs give me a call and maybe help work me through some issues im having with my electrical system/subs etc..

I know my alternator is dropping voltage like crazy because my bass is cutting out randomly, and a lot. Two questions that relate to this issue... can severe voltage drops cause music/bass distortion? i know voltage drops can 'injure' or damage an amp, BUT, can it affect sound quality? like my subs (either the xxx or the 2 sx's) will still hit hard as hell, but it seems as if theres a 'hardness' to the bass, and its not that deep low soft bass (you know what im talking about).. could this change in sound quality/bass be due to the voltage drops or does it sound like the amp has been damaged?


Also. To those of you who saw the sub video i had with the scratching noise.. the voice coil on my sub looks fine. nothing is 'unraveling'. could that scratching noise be attributed to something else such as an amp issue or alternator issue? or does that sound like a sub-specific issue and it needs replaced/repaired regardless?

i'm asking all these questions because i need to narrow down the problems to the TRUE issue at hand, because i would hate to have the sub repaired/replace and when it came down to it it be an alternator or amp issue.

about the alternator.. my stock alternator & battery worked PERFECT (even at 105 amps) with my 2 sx 12's. after i put an aftermarket 200 amp alt in, i had engine whine with a 'humming' coming from the subs. this is on 4 gauge wire from alt to battery. i had this install bay (cough cough) swap out the aftermarket for the stock again, and put in an optima yellow top - now my voltage is dropping like crazy apparently, and the bass is distorted/cuts out and doesn't sound as good as it used to. (and i've tested both the sx's and the xxx)

so what would you guys recommend i do? send sub out for repair/replacement ? (voice coils reading 2.4-2.6 each) send out amp for repair/check up? or does all these issues sound like the alternator & voltage drops?

Nutz
09-14-2007, 03:53 AM
So lets get the story straight in your own words?

We can make mistakes, but we didn't damage your sub and definitely didn't damage your AMP.

AcuraRSX544
09-14-2007, 11:27 AM
I would say that sublime, You Just Got Served

Checkmate

BreakingBad
09-14-2007, 11:28 AM
wow dude, the video that i had was showing the ERRRRRR noise, there was NO music playing... the volume was on 0.

keep attempting to "catch me in a lie", but you wont...

bottom line: you wired my sub wrong and didn't admit to it.

and when i talk about music, that was on my 12's moron.

i NEVER played music on my XXX 18 with the stock alternator - YOU DID.

you also turned my gains all the way up to compensate for having wired my sub wrong.

and when i did have my new alternator put in, i tried playing the system but the problem lied in the amp - transistors were bad - due to a bad ground - INSTALLED BY YOU

i love how you are attempting to draw people's attention away from the issue at hand by talking about my alternator, my amp..

EVEN IF i did play the system with my stock alt (which i didn't), i had every right to...and i never blamed ANY alternator problems on you or your shop.

i blamed THESE problems on you and your shop:

- wired XXX 18 incorrectly first time
- power wire fell out of fuse block under hood
- used painted sheet metal with wood screws as a ground
- braided wire used in conjunction with 1/0
- didn't upgrade grounds under hood aka big 3
- didn't clean my car out at all


and some NEW **** i found, you scratched the **** out of my rear door panels which i just noticed yesterday. i'll take pictures if you don't believe me.

you can sit there and re-read that thread on ROE all you want, but you're not going to "incriminate" me or "catch me lying"... because i'm not.

BreakingBad
09-14-2007, 12:12 PM
- LAST AND FINAL POST -

To anyone confused - i'm going to clarify what happened with Nutz' shop. You've all seen the pictures, so here goes..

On or around Sept. 2006 i went to team nutz to get a system installed. I was informed that they were carrying RE products, which i heard people raving about on CA and ROE, and i asked what would fit my budget. He charges full msrp for RE products (stupid mistake on my part spending $400 each on an RE SX 12).

Anyway at that time i was a noob so i took 2 RE SX 12's along with a US Amps AX-1500de. System installed, i enjoyed it. I also got my car tinted there (return customer). I never 'inspected' this system because i had no knowledge of what to look for, whats bad, whats good, etc. I trusted them - bad move.

About a year later i started to experience problems with my system.. mainly distortion and a 'fapping' noise coming from my 12's. Talked to Nutz about this issue, and he said its "too hard to guess", I then said i would take care of it myself but I was interested in getting an RE XXX 18. He quoted me about $800 more than my other supplier.. so i didn't buy the RE XXX from him. I then contacted him about them building me a custom box for my car in the backseat for the XXX 18. I did this because i wanted loud low bass and i've seen many sedans converted for 18s.

We set a date for them to build the box and install the XXX 18 into the box. He told me it would take 2 days and i would have to leave my car there overnight. I agreed. The day it was ready, before picking the car up i get a call from Ed (Nutz) saying this, and i quote, "Hey man, just calling to say your car is ready... but there are some problems. We installed everything, but man there is literally NO bass. This thing isn't even vibrating or moving. We tried playing it even with the gains all the way up and we smelled something burning so we turned it off. We dont recommend you play this until you get a bigger amp. I wont ever sell an XXX again because this thing needs literally a million watts just to move or create ANY bass. Greg at US told me you need an AX-3000de minimum just for the XXX to work."

I said okay, so when i picked my car up, low and behold he was right - no bass. At that time i received my Excessive Amperage alternator, had that installed ASAP and attempted playing the system once again. Same problem - no bass.

Went on ROE about my problem. Immediately people said it was probably wired out of phase or incorrectly and to get it wired correctly. Went back down to Nutz to have them assess their **** up. They took the sub out in front of me, re-wired it while i was standing there, put it back in and as i was standing in the showroom, they started to play it and one of the customers looked at me and said "holy **** is that your truck??" because it was hittin low and hard.

Ed then tells me "Yeah man we probably just wired it backwards or somethin." He then proceeded to tell me i need an amp on my hi's, blah blah blah. Avoided admitting he ****ed up and didn't offer any refund or any other assistance.

After this, with my XXX apparently wired correctly and my new alternator in, i still got distortion and a fapping noise. Went to Total Image and Auto Illusions to have them inspect my system for problems - they immediately caught the braided wire issue, they were confused as to why they used 1/0 everywhere but then braided wire at the amp... my power wire under the hood fell out of the fuse block as soon as they touched it. They told me this needed upgraded, blah blah blah. Went to Auto Illusions where Tim helped me upgrade my grounds under the hood and replaced all my wiring in the trunk for a small fee. Did a quality job on the wiring too UNLIKE team nutz' where the copper terminals literally fell off of the 1/0 wire. Sent my amp back for repair, they repaired a capacitor which fixed the 'fapping' noise. Still had tons of distortion.

Sent amp back a SECOND time, since i truly believed thats where the true problem lied, and through describing my problem to J.R., the VICE PRESIDENT of US Amps, he saw that Team Nutz used PAINTED SHEET METAL with WOOD SCREWS as a ground. He immediately notified Dirk, the designer of the amps to check the transistors because they normally can go bad if a bad ground was used. Bang - that was the problem. Transistors were effed beyond repair due to a bad ground (curteousy of Nutz) so they replaced those. Amp came back, and system is now flawless (no thanks to Nutz.) I also re-did most of the wiring myself, including on my XXX 18 - put 10 gauge knukonceptz on that beast.

So, in a quick run-down of what Nutz did wrong/****ed up:

- Painted sheet metal in trunk as ground, with wood screws (which damaged my amp's transistors)
- Braided wire used in conjunction with 1/0 when 1/0 should have been used for a 1.5-1.7kw system
- Power wire under hood fell out of fuse block, wasn't secured by the screw at all
- Grounds under hood not upgraded
- Car was left a mess
- Rear door panels have small 'cuts' all over them

Not to mention that as me and my previous boss watched them install my 12s (they were almost done when we showed up), the dude blew about 4 fuses in my car.

NOW the issue is that Nutz is coming on the internet attempting to defend his 'reputation' and lie, lie lie about what exactly happened. He knows he cannot prove that he didn't **** up as I have pictures to prove he did...so he sits there and attempts to draw the attention away from the TRUE issues as i have listed above and whines about my stock alternator dropping voltage - which COULD have been why the capacitor in the amp was bad, and i take blame for that, but the issues i listed are still Nutz' fault. As a returning customer i should have been issued a full refund on the install labor, and asked how else could they help.

Instead i was told i was an idiot, i don't know what i'm talking about, i believed my "Internet Buddies" over him (he was reffering to people on caraudio.com and roe) even when i said some of these people have systems pushing 40,000 watts.

He will continue to lie and attempt to get the attention off of his **** ups, but the truth of the matter is they ****ed up, won't admit to it and keep trying to take the attention off what they did. Nutz, you can continue having your buddies sign up and post here in your defense, but pictures don't lie. STFU.

Nutz power wire job:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z104/kmk0420/IMG_0039.jpg

Also, not to mention that after i posted here negatively reviewing Nutz' shop, he threatened to SUE me for libel and slander. SUE a customer because they reviewed your shop negatively when you damaged their equipment and screwed up their install..hmm..

AcuraRSX544
09-14-2007, 03:46 PM
So how did you know thatyou had voltage problems and the system cut out. Sounds like me you played it and you admitted to it. Your so full of S**T your eyes are brown.

Then you take it to Total Image and Auto Illusions and they rewired the system, problem doesn't go away, why don't you bad mouth those idiots, they have burned up more vehicles then the Mckees Rocks Junior VFD.

You have officially proven your an idiot that does not know right from left. I think you should be bad mouthing the places that didn't fix your problems, not the place that warned you about problems. Nutz didn't mess your car up, your stupidity did.

Good for you to have to pay money to get your stuff fixed, you got what you deserved.

All of this is out of your own words. Quit lying and maybe you can get 1 story and not 5

Braided wire, if it has enough strainds to equal 4 gauge, its 4 gauge, wire didn't hurt your system, if anything that wire costs 4 times more then conventional 4 gauge and it is designed to reduce noise by being braided. Another thing you don't know what your talking about.

And if you went back to him and he fixed what you asked him to do, what is the problem, did he not offer you a bj or something. No refund needed you got a system playing with low voltage from removing your alt. Fix the voltage and you won't have problems. Didn't about 10 people on this forum and roe tell you that, but I guess they don't know what they are talking about either.

And last if your so sure the nutz messed your car up then why didn't you redo everything. Because you knew the wiring was correct you just wanted to blame someone else for your excuse of a human being.

Dumb.
















[QUOTE=Nutz;3401243]
it's definately bangin, but there are some concerns..

so basicaly.. i have bass now, but it still needs tweaked. also, it seems that on the low notes instead of gettin real real low and rumbling i can see everything shaking in my car, but outside its not even noticable.

07-02-2007, 02:25 PM #1
KMK
Banned
In your OPINION - what should I do?

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I know my alternator is dropping voltage like crazy because my bass is cutting out randomly, and a lot. Two questions that relate to this issue... can severe voltage drops cause music/bass distortion? i know voltage drops can 'injure' or damage an amp, BUT, can it affect sound quality? like my subs (either the xxx or the 2 sx's) will still hit hard as hell, but it seems as if theres a 'hardness' to the bass, and its not that deep low soft bass (you know what im talking about).. could this change in sound quality/bass be due to the voltage drops or does it sound like the amp has been damaged?
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Ridley
07-23-2008, 01:55 PM
I know this post is really old... but did anyone else LOL at how long this thing went on... repeating the same crap back and fourth for over 19 ****ing pages?

DUMPED
07-23-2008, 03:55 PM
did you really have to rehash the post 10 months later..jesus...

sciullo779
08-11-2009, 05:31 PM
its kinda funny, ill vouge for team nutz being a shoddy shop because when they installed my amp for my component 6 1/2" s they didnt run new wire through the doors to the speakers, they connected the output of the amp wires to the HU wiring harness for one.... they ran the 4gauge power wire AND the RCA's along the same side as my antenna wire, so i have major interference and absolutely no radio, and to top it off when i told them about the interference they put on a noise suppressor thing in line with the rca's which didnt do ****, and charged me an extra $20, not to mention they sold me an older model powerbass amp for **** near retail. and when i finally cracked open my subwoofer box to transfer it to a dual 10" i found mold and water damage in the box, when its never seen water of any sort in my hands..... end rant

markak134
07-01-2010, 08:31 PM
team nutz does **** *** they tryed to charge me $350 for them to do the big 3 **** them or is that the price with you giving me an alternator you dirty rats

BreakingBad
09-18-2011, 12:20 AM
so as I was randomly looking around this site again after all these years I came across this thread and realized someone has bumped this thread every year since 2007, aside from 2011. so, f*ck it.

as I sit back and look back on the whole thing that went down between me, the shop, the internet 'battle'....i realize a few things: i was a new customer to the industry and put my 'faith', if you will, into an install shop to make the right choice after they heard what i was seeking. not only did they perform an amateur, lazy install on my vehicle they also followed me on the internet and attempted to discredit anything i said, regardless of a good portion of the posters agreeing with me and pointing out blatant 'shortcuts', 'cheap materials', etc. looking back i also realize that at this point I will never rely on such a shop that treats their customers like that, nor will i rely on a shop that charges a customer $2200 for a subwoofer that costs $800-1000. i can vouch for that because i bought an XXX directly from a distributor as would a shop, and I know what I paid. they did what they did, they lost my business (and business of many others as i've referred over a dozen high-priced installs to other shops at this point, which could of potentially made their shop thousands of dollars) and they were also, more importantly, embarrassed on the internet.

when it comes to car audio, learn and do it yourself or go to a trusted shop. if you have never used a shop before, use google or find people who have and ask questions, you're bound to find a decent place and start out small with your purchases, and move up if they do good. shops know they can make thousands of dollars off certain clients if they play their cards right, so as a consumer know what you want, read reviews, buy your own equipment and again install yourself or go w/a trusted shop.

2Dcore
09-25-2011, 10:34 AM
this isn't the first bad thing i heard about them that's why i never went there. If you can't even do wiring right, there's something wrong.

Lowflyin
01-28-2012, 08:39 PM
They wired my friends sub wrong and it blew an amp.

BreakingBad
04-13-2012, 01:02 AM
eh, what else is new...they've been ******* up installs for years.

Volvowith18psi
04-13-2012, 01:22 AM
Man, I was excited to find a new shop when I saw this thread title, however, after reading it... Ill pass on that!

Edit. Sorry to hear OP, Thanks for your review!

BreakingBad
07-13-2012, 04:54 PM
No problem. Check out auto illusions. Even auto addictions on 51 apparently does 'ok' work and i would recommend them before team ballsacks

Xytronic
07-16-2012, 02:51 PM
TEAM NUTZ can **** a fat babies chubby d*ck!!! I took my BMW there to get the windows tinted. Huge mistake!!!!!! These assclowns not only broke the rear view mirror off, but refused to pay for a new one, or fix it. They told me the glass was 15 years old, or some dumb *** chit, and that the glass had broken down or deteriorated over time. I had never heard anything so freak'n funny in my life..hahahaha..I took it to "Ryans Auto Glass", the pro's, and they laughed there ***'s off as well. Seems the windshield was heated, so it was over $400 bucks to replace it. Team Nut Sack found out the price when I handed the owner and his son the replacement quote, and walked away from the repair, leaving me with a the bill..NEVER>> EVER >> TAKE YOUR CAR THERE!!!!

Im still well with in my statute of limitations, and considering sueing them. IF anybody wants to sue them, the local magistrate information is:



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