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hawaiian5
06-18-2007, 04:39 AM
my girl is going back to school, so her dad bought her a new diesel 2500 dodge ram big horn. ( spoiled ****en brat ):pissed: ...lol...anyways, i aint gonna give her my germaniums or my sscs. i have taken interest in components with the ring radiator tweeters. can u guys help me out and name some brands that have them?. gonna buy a set and use her new truck as a test subject.:naughty: lol... if their are alot of brands, just name them all, cause i only know of hypnotic and polk. thx guys

Hebrew Hammer
06-18-2007, 10:31 AM
both those mentioned are the vifa's and not the ring revs... the only 2 car audio comp sets with the true rings are the Alpine F1's which I do not like..... and the Genesis absolute's.... both are very pricey.....

DejaWiz
06-18-2007, 10:45 AM
Alpine SPX-177R
Alpine SPX-17REF*
Alpine SPX-17PRO*
New '07 Alpine Type R
Polk SR6500 (my choice out of the bunch)

* soon to be released ('07 Alpine Catalog (http://www.alpine-usa.com/images/products/catalog/2007USPC_010207.pdf) - last page)

Hebrew Hammer
06-18-2007, 01:59 PM
Alpine SPX-177R
Alpine SPX-17REF*
Alpine SPX-17PRO*
New '07 Alpine Type R
Polk SR6500 (my choice out of the bunch)

* soon to be released ('07 Alpine Catalog (http://www.alpine-usa.com/images/products/catalog/2007USPC_010207.pdf) - last page)

once again...these are vifa tweeters and not the scan ring revs...huge difference

MiniVanMan
06-18-2007, 02:36 PM
The problem with most ring radiator tweeters is their off-axis response. You basically have to play them dead on-axis. When you do, you get very high quality sound, and in the case of the Vifa XT25, and XT19, it's great sound for a very low price.

If you want to play with different tweeters, you might want to think about doing something active. The Alpine variant XT19, found in the SPX-177R sets can be found on PacParts for $14.00 a piece. If you can just find a good deal on the Alpine set, then that's not a bad option either. I'm not a fan of that mid, but the tweeter and crossover are top notch.


once again...these are vifa tweeters and not the scan ring revs...huge difference

Because there's a huge price difference doesn't make the XT25 not a ring radiator. Yes, there is a huge difference between the two tweeters, but it's the same as saying the Vifa D26 tweeter isn't a true small dome tweeter because it's not the Scan D2904/6000.

DejaWiz
06-18-2007, 02:42 PM
once again...these are vifa tweeters and not the scan ring revs...huge difference

Are you taling about the Genesis Absolute R1? Aren't the diaphrams a very similar design as the Vifa XT25?

R1 (http://www.theautophile.com/products/AbsoluteR1.html)
XT25 (http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1679)


And yes, the F1's and the R1's are disgustingly pricey. Especially the Genesis R1's (about $2000 each last I knew).

Hebrew Hammer
06-18-2007, 03:28 PM
Are you taling about the Genesis Absolute R1? Aren't the diaphrams a very similar design as the Vifa XT25?

R1 (http://www.theautophile.com/products/AbsoluteR1.html)
XT25 (http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1679)


And yes, the F1's and the R1's are disgustingly pricey. Especially the Genesis R1's (about $2000 each last I knew).


I have the R1's in my car...... but the Vifa's and the scan ring rev's are nothing alike other then both have a ribbed shaped dome and phase plug....

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/jewlike1/P1011018.jpg

DejaWiz
06-18-2007, 03:35 PM
Good gravy you have $4000 worth of tweeters in your car! Daymn.

Of course they're not alike... if I'm remembering correctly, aren't the R1's using a photolithographed voice coil whereas the Vifa's are still coil wound wire?

Hebrew Hammer
06-18-2007, 04:16 PM
that and the motor is vastly different....

mlstrass
06-18-2007, 04:36 PM
Good gravy you have $4000 worth of tweeters in your car! Daymn.


And they're not even covered :eek: I'm hoping something goes over those, but I don't see any mounting holes for a grill.

Seems WAY unsafe on the floor like that, either getting stepped on, dirt/mud from shoes or whatever.

To the OP: I've been running the XT25's for about a year now and really enjoy them. Sounds is very smooth/detailed, not overly bright. At times I'd like a little more volume from them, but that's what the rear fill is for :naughty:

DejaWiz
06-18-2007, 04:40 PM
To the OP: I've been running the XT25's for about a year now and really enjoy them. Sounds is very smooth/detailed, not overly bright. At times I'd like a little more volume from them

Are they pointing straight at you?

DejaWiz
06-18-2007, 04:42 PM
that and the motor is vastly different....

Is there a Gensis website with the technical details/white papers on the R1?

Rich B
06-18-2007, 04:43 PM
Good gravy you have $4000 worth of tweeters in your car! Daymn.



Whats the difference (besides the mounting flange) between those $4,000 tweets and the three types of Scanspeak ring radiator tweeters on Madisound for $800 per pair?



http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/R2904_700000.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/r2904_700005.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/r2904_700009.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/index.php?manufacturers_id=148&sort=3a&page=3

mlstrass
06-18-2007, 04:52 PM
Are they pointing straight at you?


Pass side is pretty much on-axis, but not the driver's side as they're kind of low in the doors. I have the large format ones from AA, so not easy to put in the A pillars.

I'm really happy with the sound of them though. I used to like brighter tweets, usually titanium, as I had JBL's in the car & home. But these have grown on me and just sound pleasing to my ears.

DejaWiz
06-18-2007, 04:59 PM
Pass side is pretty much on-axis, but not the driver's side as they're kind of low in the doors.
that's what the rear fill is for

MiniVanMan is creeping up behind you to kick you in the back of the head. :laugh:

Hebrew Hammer
06-18-2007, 05:02 PM
And they're not even covered :eek: I'm hoping something goes over those, but I don't see any mounting holes for a grill.

Seems WAY unsafe on the floor like that, either getting stepped on, dirt/mud from shoes or whatever.

To the OP: I've been running the XT25's for about a year now and really enjoy them. Sounds is very smooth/detailed, not overly bright. At times I'd like a little more volume from them, but that's what the rear fill is for :naughty:

all the drivers sit behind the factory rocker..so they are way out of the way...but they are placed perfectly in the car...pld's are with in 9 inches and you sit about 6 feet away from them and soon to be farther once I extend the seat rails....

and yes I have grills....

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/jewlike1/P1011014.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/jewlike1/P1011016.jpg

Hebrew Hammer
06-18-2007, 05:03 PM
Whats the difference (besides the mounting flange) between those $4,000 tweets and the three types of Scanspeak ring radiator tweeters on Madisound for $800 per pair?



http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/R2904_700000.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/r2904_700005.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/r2904_700009.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/index.php?manufacturers_id=148&sort=3a&page=3

a little different spec wise and a little better off axis response...but other than that buy the ones pictured above.....

Rich B
06-18-2007, 05:06 PM
a little different spec wise and a little better off axis response...but other than that buy the ones pictured above.....


Thanks, it just made me curious.

Waaaaay out of my price range even at $800!
:eek:
:)

MiniVanMan
06-18-2007, 05:08 PM
MiniVanMan is creeping up behind you to kick you in the back of the head. :laugh:

Maybe he just likes the laid back sound an attenuated tweeter has like the XT25 when played off-axis. Ever think about that.... :rolleyes: :p:

Anyway, I'm no coward, I'll come at you from the front. I'll usually kick you in the nuts, but at least you'll see it coming. :D

If he's happy then great. Having the tweeter low will just affect stage height mostly, barring the obvious off-axis attenuation of the high end. However, it sounds like he likes that laid back sound. Sounds like a future Morel tweeter guy.

Igno
06-18-2007, 05:45 PM
Whats the difference (besides the mounting flange) between those $4,000 tweets and the three types of Scanspeak ring radiator tweeters on Madisound for $800 per pair?



http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/R2904_700000.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/r2904_700005.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/images/madisound/product/r2904_700009.jpg

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/index.php?manufacturers_id=148&sort=3a&page=3

3200.00

hawaiian5
06-18-2007, 11:06 PM
ok, so what does it take to put a component set together?. like if i was to buy different brans. how would i go about putting together the right things so that they match up and dont go ape **** after being installed in my girls truck?. say i bought some of those alpine tweeters with the crossovers, how would i go about finding a mid to match it? ( other than the alpine brand )

Hebrew Hammer
06-19-2007, 08:37 AM
to be honest you can't mix and match with a pre made passive....those passives are designed for a specific driver in mind.....if you wanna mix and match...then the only true way is to go active...