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nismos14
06-11-2007, 12:03 PM
So I recently went from a DEH-P880prs to an Eclipse CD7100. I can tell you now that I do miss a few features that the 880 had that the CD7100 either doesn't or I have yet to tap into.

1) Independant speaker level control - 880 has it, cd7100 doesn't.

2) Independant phase control for each speaker - 880 has, cd7100 doesn't.

3) Full subwoofer control - Level, phase, mono or stereo output - Pio has all CD7100 only has Phase and Mono vs. stereo setting.

4) 15band eq on 880 was very nice, the 11 band PEQ seems to be more customizable and a great feature, I definately prefer the PEQ over the 15-Band with the customizability.

5) 880 only had the 15band, CD7100 has Bass, Mid, Treble controls as well as the PEQ. This is a nice touch.

6) 880 has no built in aux and no built in USB, CD7100 has both but the interface is kind of blah on the USB and I have not yet tried out the AUX though.

7) 880 full subwoofer control - CD7100 Non fade with no level control when in 3-way mode, Non-fade can be adjusted +_6 when in 4sp + subwoofer mode.

8)Area shot feature - this is a pretty neat feature to throw into the mix that Eclipse has. I got it to work the other day and am very impressed with it. It's a good backup feature but along with it I would always keep a couple of backup maps etc. Works well though.

9) 880 comes with a Mic, CD7100 does not, not THAT big of a deal however it is nice to know that you don't have to purchase anything additional in order to run the auto TA's etc.

880's intereface is straight forward and very easy to use. The CD7100 is a bit more complicated and I feel as though I have yet to tap into the full number of features that it has or am just not sure how to use them yet.

Here's the most important part - SQ -

I think there's no question that the CD7100 has better SQ. There are just things I noticed right off the bat without any tuning that give the CD7100 the edge in that regard.

I also find that the Audiocontrol Matrix that I originally purchased to increase the level of the 880's outputs is no longer necessary. The Eclipse has much stronger outputs with no know noise issues like the 880 has.

Those are my impressions so far, maybe more to come if I find more features etc.

Flipx99
06-11-2007, 12:35 PM
What is the cost difference [authorized]?

nismos14
06-11-2007, 01:09 PM
880 ~$399 vs CD7100 ~$599

The levels of each speaker are adjustable with the CD7100 through the time alignment menu.

onefastsi
06-11-2007, 08:41 PM
This is good info...I had considered both of these! I was leaning toward the Eclipse however...there are others in the running as well. I do like the voltage of the Eclipse. I'm used to high voltage in my Rockford RFX8140.

I'm also looking at:

Alpine X001
Clarion DRZ9255

alphakenny1
06-11-2007, 09:47 PM
if the cd7100 is like my old 8455, there should be independent speaker control on the t/a menu ;).

nismos14
06-11-2007, 10:48 PM
I know, I posted that above :) THANKS!


if the cd7100 is like my old 8455, there should be independent speaker control on the t/a menu ;).

adam71
06-12-2007, 03:21 AM
Here's the most important part - SQ -

I think there's no question that the CD7100 has better SQ. There are just things I noticed right off the bat without any tuning that give the CD7100 the edge in that regard.

Psycho acoustics anyone???:confused: :rolleyes:

nismos14
06-12-2007, 07:54 AM
Whatever you wanna say but I can tell with my own ears what the sound difference is.

adam71
06-12-2007, 12:20 PM
Whatever you wanna say but I can tell with my own ears what the sound difference is.

I was in a joking mood when I posted that. I was also very tired from working all night. There is NO doubt in my mind your Eclipse sounds different than the Pioneer. If it sounds BETTER to you then that is all that matters seeing how you're the one who went out and bought it.:cool:



It just kind of reminds me of a guy I used to know who went out and bought a $6,000 home stereo system to replace his old one. He kept his same speakers so I already knew what the speakers sounded like with the old cheap system. When he hooked up new pre amp/amp and CD player I definitely noticed a difference, but not so much of an improvement. He however, thought it was a night and day difference. Personally I think he talked himself into thinking that.

nismos14
06-12-2007, 12:37 PM
I see what you mean, however there's no question to me that there are little nuances in the music that didn't appear as much as they do now.

I guess that is also subjective in the fact that some people may feel the 880 sounds better or some may feel the opposite.

ToyTundra
06-12-2007, 08:46 PM
880 ~$399 vs CD7100 ~$599



around here a CD7100 runs $699 retail. I suppose someone could haggle down to $599 though.

nismos14
06-12-2007, 08:49 PM
It all depends where you shop some place around me sells the 880prs for $339 so ya :)

XaznKewLguyX
06-14-2007, 03:32 PM
hey nismo..

the area shot.. you have to have a GPS unit huh?? How much did you get yours for?

nismos14
06-14-2007, 04:01 PM
You don't need the gps unit for area shot.

I don't know the total, I made payments then picked it up, lol.

3.5Max6spd
06-14-2007, 04:49 PM
Hey man, glad to see you like it!

When you get a chance....cut off the subs, thrown in a 0db track and get close to your tweeters and let me know if you hear anything. With a normal CD, is there any noise floor out of your tweeters at zero? How about as soon as you turn the volume to 2, 4(before the music kicks in..) Can you hear hiiiiiiiiiisssssssss?

Report back to me.:)

XaznKewLguyX
06-14-2007, 04:54 PM
You don't need the gps unit for area shot.

I don't know the total, I made payments then picked it up, lol.

really?? dang i gots to figure out how to use it then.. i've always thought you needed a GPS unit...

can you explain how to use it? I thought it was just download the map off of iserv and put it into your memory stick but it didnt work for me :confused:

nismos14
06-14-2007, 05:56 PM
You have to put it in a folder called ECLIPSE then another folder inside there called AREA then upload via USB date on the area map screen.

nismos14
06-14-2007, 05:57 PM
Hey man, glad to see you like it!

When you get a chance....cut off the subs, thrown in a 0db track and get close to your tweeters and let me know if you hear anything. With a normal CD, is there any noise floor out of your tweeters at zero? How about as soon as you turn the volume to 2, 4(before the music kicks in..) Can you hear hiiiiiiiiiisssssssss?

Report back to me.:)

You know I do hear a hiss I just didn't check it out completley. I thought it was because of my matrix. So let me pull the matrix then throw in the 0db cd and test it again. Once I get a chance to do that I'll will let you know.

XaznKewLguyX
06-14-2007, 06:38 PM
so thats how its done.. i have the cd7k so mine doesnt have USB :crying:

nismos14
06-14-2007, 07:11 PM
You can burn it onto a disc and upload it that way :)

OCURIEL
06-15-2007, 06:34 PM
Hey man, glad to see you like it!

When you get a chance....cut off the subs, thrown in a 0db track and get close to your tweeters and let me know if you hear anything. With a normal CD, is there any noise floor out of your tweeters at zero? How about as soon as you turn the volume to 2, 4(before the music kicks in..) Can you hear hiiiiiiiiiisssssssss?

Report back to me.:)

Not sure if this would help, but I had the cd7000 and the noise floor is pretty non existent, no matter what volume setting it was on.

Nice head unit, but it didn't win me over.

Igno
06-15-2007, 09:43 PM
my 7100 has no noise, very quiet

nismos14
06-18-2007, 07:57 AM
Took out the matrix, I do get a SLIGHT SLIGHT hiss if I put my ear up to the tweet otherwise in-audible.

I absolutely hate the return button on the unit though. It's a pita when your listening to a track and hit it by mistake or getting out of a menu you hit it one too many times and BAM right back to the root of the directory.

kbkid
06-18-2007, 08:50 AM
6) 880 has no built in aux and no built in USB, CD7100 has both but the interface is kind of blah on the USB and I have not yet tried out the AUX though.


Are you sure the 880 doesn't have an aux in? I checked the Pioneer website and they are saying that it is built into the rear of the unit. I'm asking because I'd like to pick the unit up, but if it doesn't have aux input, I'll have to keep looking.

nismos14
06-18-2007, 08:56 AM
It's not built in, you need an adapter for it, but the adapter is like $20 on ebay it utilizes the IP-Bus input into the unit.

kbkid
06-18-2007, 09:36 AM
Ok thats what I figured. Thats how my 8600 is, I was just checking to make sure the IP Bus was there though. Thanks.

nismos14
06-18-2007, 09:41 AM
Yup no problem! I had an 860mp before the 880 and I wish I never got rid of the 860. The output voltage was much better and was listed at 6.5 v and definately had more output vs the 880, probably around the same as your 8600.

nismos14
06-24-2007, 07:00 PM
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w254/nismos14us/CD7100/CD7100003.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w254/nismos14us/CD7100/CD7100001.jpg

desertheat
06-25-2007, 12:55 AM
On the 7100 can you shut down the internal amp or is it active all the time..?

Curious as to exactly what they changed with the 7100 as the 7000 was a great deck for the money. I never noticed the noise floor people talk about but I also never stuck a tweet in my ear trying to hear it either... Also with the 7000 hooked up to the home system for original testing, I never heard anything as well. Sounded great. Was not my old 9835 but the stellar PEQ was worth it.

nismos14
06-25-2007, 07:40 AM
Its always active.

I'm not too sure whats changed, I think the USB is new? Anyone care to chime in on the exact changes?

3.5Max6spd
06-25-2007, 08:03 AM
Yup no problem! I had an 860mp before the 880 and I wish I never got rid of the 860.

You really didnt have a choice...it broke:laugh:

nismos14
06-25-2007, 08:05 AM
Lol 860 worked fine for me! I dunno watchu talkin about it. It really did :).

BTW, I do notice a slight hiss only when I have my ear up against the tweet, nothing really audible from standard listening position.