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Ali1
05-24-2007, 03:48 PM
anybody every run a monte or lumina with the 3800 series 2?


i hear alot of talk about them being good, but i find nothing special about it. Its pretty slow


anyone with experience on these 3800s or monte/lumina 3.8

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h317/ali3596/0523070721.jpg

Russkels55
05-24-2007, 03:57 PM
throw the supercharger on it.

bigbirney420
05-24-2007, 03:58 PM
They are Bulletproof, one of the best motors GM ever made. My GP has SC 3800 and I had a Bonnevile that had regular 3800 in it, series 1 and its still going at almost 200k

Russkels55
05-24-2007, 03:59 PM
i wanted a 2 door sc one forever. :yumyum:

Russ

regal8r
05-24-2007, 03:59 PM
best motor evar

Ali1
05-24-2007, 04:07 PM
yeah, same thing the police told me when i got locked up. me and him talked about cars and he thought i had a 3.1 in my car. I told him i have a 3.8 and he got all excited like " ****, your lucky those are one of the best motors they made before they switched to that pos monte carlos 3.4"

Lunchbocks
05-24-2007, 06:54 PM
The 3.4 in the Monte was definitely junk, had one myself. The 3800 series motors have always been a great mainstay for the normal cars. Its reliable and solid, makes ok power to at least keep the car going for daily driving. Its no race motor but it does the job for the everyday.

93 saturn sl2
05-25-2007, 10:56 AM
throw the supercharger on it.

Its not quite that easy. The N/A 3800s have higher compression than the SCd 3800s. high compression + boost = bad.

chris96camaro
05-25-2007, 10:59 AM
as long as its in a front wheel drive car, yes its a good motor.

Silver
05-25-2007, 09:14 PM
I've done plenty intake gaskets on these motors.

In my opinion, junk.

Safe-N-Sound215
05-25-2007, 09:24 PM
My regal gs has the sc 3800 in it. I run mine hard, with no problems. The only problems beside the intake gasket as silver said is the valve cover gaskets. The valve cover gaskets are the only things I've had to replace. I've had a few cars with them in it and they are solid motors IMO.

bigbangtheory
05-26-2007, 09:19 AM
Ahhhhh, my girl has the v6 3.4 in her lumina. I wish it was the 3.8, but oh well. Have yet to have any major problems with it at 140,000 miles. Been taken care of though.

Prowler573
05-26-2007, 09:24 AM
as long as its in a front wheel drive car, yes its a good motor.

I don't see what difference the engine's orientation would have anything to do with it (sideways as opposed to not)

My wife's work car ('05 Holden Commodore - if you don't know look it up) has the 3800 Series II in it and that car gets treated like a rented mule.
Seems to be holding up find tus far with 100K kilometers+ and counting. :)

Ali1
05-26-2007, 10:55 AM
Ahhhhh, my girl has the v6 3.4 in her lumina. I wish it was the 3.8, but oh well. Have yet to have any major problems with it at 140,000 miles. Been taken care of though.

yeah, lumina's last forever with maintenance

TheFiverMan
05-26-2007, 10:56 AM
yeah, lumina's last forever with maintenance

only thing forever is the universe......

Ali1
05-26-2007, 11:03 AM
i'm sorry your right


they last a longass time with proper maintenance

iceteebone
05-26-2007, 11:04 AM
i had that engine in my bonneville and it was a great engine. car had 160k when i sold it. no problems at all

mom has an impala with that engine. car has a 100k and no problems

my uncle works at the GM tech center and he said it was one of the better engines GM made. hence why we bought cars with the 3800's.

iceteebone
05-26-2007, 11:06 AM
i actually have an excessive amp alt for this motor for sale :fyi:

made for a 96 bonneville. 250 amp

Ali1
05-26-2007, 11:19 AM
will it fit a 98 lumina 3.8L?


i asked what's the biggest alt, and he said 200amps.......


shoot me a pm of how much you wanna sell it

mattmcss
05-26-2007, 12:14 PM
I've done plenty intake gaskets on these motors.

In my opinion, junk.

Thats a common problem on them, bad gasket material + dexcool = bad

Qbenjamin
05-26-2007, 02:22 PM
My 3.4L went dead @ 77K and it was babied........"F" GM.

Decipha
05-26-2007, 02:49 PM
besides the intake gasket the 4t60e trany isin't worth a ***... i've already replaced over 20 of them and hate it, espically with the gtp you have to take the cimplete subframe loose from underneath, its a pita and i hate it

FWD FTL

Ninteens
05-26-2007, 02:58 PM
My moms 3800 Lumina van went for 208,000 before a rod bearing went down. It did that because the oil never got changed.

She bought it at about 45,000 and I changed the oil the only time!

Ali1
05-26-2007, 02:59 PM
My moms 3800 Lumina van went for 208,000 before a rod bearing went down. It did that because the oil never got changed.

She bought it at about 45,000 and I changed the oil the only time!

you never changed the oil besides that one time?

Ninteens
05-26-2007, 03:00 PM
you never changed the oil besides that one time?

I was in another state. I did that when I was on vacation!

ThatChevyGuy
05-26-2007, 03:03 PM
thats what i got, i love racing civics and other rice with a bone stock granny mobile. I took a civic and an accord in 1/2 mile, it was hilarious.

Tonyguy
05-26-2007, 03:05 PM
I love my 3800. It has a lot of power and plenty of mods available. Can anyone say "13 sec sleeper buick"?:naughty:

Ali1
05-26-2007, 03:36 PM
thats what i got, i love racing civics and other rice with a bone stock granny mobile. I took a civic and an accord in 1/2 mile, it was hilarious.

wat car

jrouter76
05-26-2007, 03:42 PM
i actually have an excessive amp alt for this motor for sale :fyi:

made for a 96 bonneville. 250 ampI have a 96 bonnie se how much are you asking for the alt.?

ThatChevyGuy
05-26-2007, 05:02 PM
wat car

Hmmm, lets think about this... Perhaps, a 99 olds intrigue?

supa_c
05-26-2007, 05:10 PM
my pops had a 91 riveria with the series I.
I think that car got into the 300,000 mile range and we just gave up on it. The engine still ran but the tranny was shot.

dcole18
05-26-2007, 05:16 PM
i just sold the bonnie i used to drive for $1000... had 360k on it :wow: only major engine work done to it was a transmission rebuild, once...

Edit: t'was a 97 wit teh 3800 II

bigbirney420
05-29-2007, 11:07 AM
I've done plenty intake gaskets on these motors.

In my opinion, junk.

:sick: Wow, so if a gasket goes on the motor its junk. At 100k you should expect gaskets to be repaced and some minor issues, but internally they are golden. And this coming form a guy with a Thunderchicken.

CaliforniabOY5
05-29-2007, 11:16 AM
i actually have an excessive amp alt for this motor for sale :fyi:

made for a 96 bonneville. 250 amp
wish i still had my camaro, i woulda bought this off you.

Thats a common problem on them, bad gasket material + dexcool = bad
This is very true, unless the car was designed for Dexcool and depending on the car even if it was dexcool f'ups gaskets.

My 3.4L went dead @ 77K and it was babied........"F" GM.

3.4 is not 3800? . . . 3800 = 3.8?

Max_Power
05-29-2007, 05:30 PM
IMO, other than the 350, its GM's best engine

Safe-N-Sound215
05-30-2007, 06:04 PM
I love my 3800. It has a lot of power and plenty of mods available. Can anyone say "13 sec sleeper buick"?:naughty:

Yes,........ I can. ;)

Silver
06-01-2007, 12:01 AM
:sick: Wow, so if a gasket goes on the motor its junk. At 100k you should expect gaskets to be repaced and some minor issues, but internally they are golden. And this coming form a guy with a Thunderchicken.

dont be banging on my thunderturd. no car payment and no major overhauls for 4yrs straight, the mn-12 is a well built car.


like i said my opinion. you dont like it **** off.


.. im working for gm now. i already have a gm veh. in plan.

68k for 2grand is a offer that i couldnt pass up. plus i have 140k on the motor and i have not had 1 problem with this car untill last week when i snapped a 1-2 accumlator spring in the 4r70w.

plus i have the 4.6L. the 3.8's are junk well know head gasket blowin mofo's.

bigbirney420
06-02-2007, 07:14 PM
Any Ford motor is pretty much ****, and even the 4.6 is slow. I dont have a car payment either. The 3.8 Fords were a lot worse than GM 3.8's. Your opinion is idiotic and without merit. I have had 3 different 3800's 2 were NA and current has SC and many mods with 100k and my DD Bonneville had 200k, I havent had any gasket issues on all 3. Plus if you ask most mechanics with a brain they will have nothing but good things to say about GM 3800, I know many personally.

Silver
06-03-2007, 02:17 PM
I'm sorry but maybe its my expirence with them. The 4.6 is slow. Check your head. Seriously.

You sound like a GM tree hugger thats all.

I like both, recently our gen of fam have switched over to ford. All they had with GM's were problems.

I just work for a GM dealership bec. I was offered enrollement in a good automotive program. I like alot of GM cars too, I just dont like any of the 3xxx series. My uncle has a monte with 68k with the 3800 that I just replaced the head gaskets on. His trans is on its way out too. Both maintained within spec.

My buddy has a Grand Prix with a bunch of mods. The base 3800 series 2. He put in new springs, rockers, cai, pcm burn, ect. My car stays with him the whole way. All my car has is a intake and polished plentum. J-modded 4r70w and 373's. Thats with 80lbs of **** in the trunk and all of my **** packed in suitcases heading up to school on I-75.

Shut the **** up. Seriously.

jiggy2dmax
06-03-2007, 03:18 PM
I think what the poster meant when he referred to the head gasket was that its a extremely well known issue that GM has done nothing to rectify. We've had quite a few cars go my family and I don't consider the head gasket "regular maintenace". The 3.8's are strong but the tranny is far from as reliable as the engine IMHO.

bigbirney420
06-03-2007, 03:26 PM
I'm sorry but maybe its my expirence with them. The 4.6 is slow. Check your head. Seriously.

You sound like a GM tree hugger thats all.

I like both, recently our gen of fam have switched over to ford. All they had with GM's were problems.

I just work for a GM dealership bec. I was offered enrollement in a good automotive program. I like alot of GM cars too, I just dont like any of the 3xxx series. My uncle has a monte with 68k with the 3800 that I just replaced the head gaskets on. His trans is on its way out too. Both maintained within spec.

My buddy has a Grand Prix with a bunch of mods. The base 3800 series 2. He put in new springs, rockers, cai, pcm burn, ect. My car stays with him the whole way. All my car has is a intake and polished plentum. J-modded 4r70w and 373's. Thats with 80lbs of **** in the trunk and all of my **** packed in suitcases heading up to school on I-75.

Shut the **** up. Seriously.

I own a Chrysler 300 as welll so Im not a GM hugger by any means. Your buddies GP obviously isnt Supercharged, but I hope you can stay with him since you have 2 more cylinders. Mine eats Mustang GT's Regularly and can hang with many Cobras so I am sure I wouldnt have any trouble. Your entitled to your opinion, and you havent had good experiences, but I have.

bigbirney420
06-03-2007, 04:11 PM
We all know there are no FI Ford 4.6s doing better than low-13s :rolleyes:

Not many NA without quite a few mods are low 13's to high 12's. It takes a few mods on a Cobra 4.6 With Eaton MP112 to make it into high 12's consistently. I was talking about his 4.6 VS NA 3.8. I hope you can hang with something with 2 fewer cylinders and almost a cubic liter difference. theres always going to be something you can race thats faster, but that wasnt the point.
So you might as well not chime in unless your gonna read the whole thread.

Silver
06-03-2007, 04:29 PM
I own a Chrysler 300 as welll so Im not a GM hugger by any means. Your buddies GP obviously isnt Supercharged, but I hope you can stay with him since you have 2 more cylinders. Mine eats Mustang GT's Regularly and can hang with many Cobras so I am sure I wouldnt have any trouble. Your entitled to your opinion, and you havent had good experiences, but I have.

Well I would hope with the list of mods you have done to your 3.8 it would eat them and stay with a Cobra.

The GTP is a fast car by no means. If I was going to get a 3.8, I would go with the GTP motor without any doubt, but like I have been saying...

My buddies car impresses me.

Trust me though, by no means is my car fast, but it is not slow either. If it wasn't so old and just "old". I'd be doing the tight fit 5.4 =).

My turds on its way out though. I am stuck between a GTO or a G8 when they hit.

Hell I may even go with a GTP and beef it up. I don't know lol.

bigbirney420
06-03-2007, 04:45 PM
Well I would hope with the list of mods you have done to your 3.8 it would eat them and stay with a Cobra.

The GTP is a fast car by no means. If I was going to get a 3.8, I would go with the GTP motor without any doubt, but like I have been saying...

My buddies car impresses me.

Trust me though, by no means is my car fast, but it is not slow either. If it wasn't so old and just "old". I'd be doing the tight fit 5.4 =).

My turds on its way out though. I am stuck between a GTO or a G8 when they hit.

Hell I may even go with a GTP and beef it up. I don't know lol.

Totally agree, I would love a G8, or a 6.0 GTO

93 saturn sl2
06-04-2007, 11:07 AM
I Mine eats Mustang GT's Regularly and can hang with many Cobras

SN95 and new edge Cobras I presume..

bigbirney420
06-04-2007, 01:05 PM
Not sure which ones, a few at a couple of tracks and on the street. Although my buddies 93 is way faster but that was before Ford ruined the Mustang with the 4.6. My new Intercooler and P&P Supercharger were not on though. I need new track times.

JohnnyChuttz
06-22-2007, 04:02 AM
Turbo 3.8 (Grand National) > All

86yota
06-22-2007, 12:45 PM
My Grand Marquis has the 4.6 in it with 161k miles and its runnin like a champ in I have put 10k miles on it in about...a year? And havent did anything to the motor since I had it. And with 22s, and 3 people in the car, and 2 15s, I barely got pulled on by an LT1 Caprice with 3 people in it.

Silver
06-23-2007, 03:56 PM
My Grand Marquis has the 4.6 in it with 161k miles and its runnin like a champ in I have put 10k miles on it in about...a year? And havent did anything to the motor since I had it. And with 22s, and 3 people in the car, and 2 15s, I barely got pulled on by an LT1 Caprice with 3 people in it.


They are de-tuned LT1's.

My car spanks my buds LT1 Caprice.