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mr_imperial
05-24-2007, 01:34 PM
As the title says... Also if I get these will they sound ok with out tweeters. I will probably buy some later on down the road http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&PartNumber=290-540

mike dressure
05-24-2007, 01:37 PM
lmao yeah, they will sound great without tweeters. not! if you dont have tweeters then it will sound like ****

mr_imperial
05-24-2007, 01:40 PM
lmao yeah, they will sound great without tweeters. not! if you dont have tweeters then it will sound like ****

ill just order both those and tweeters. thanks for the help

djman37
05-24-2007, 01:49 PM
do you need that specific driver? there are better car audio choices, IMO for less.

dayton's come to mind.

jmoreno150
05-24-2007, 01:52 PM
get some beymas.

mike dressure
05-24-2007, 01:59 PM
do you need that specific driver? there are better car audio choices, IMO for less.

dayton's come to mind.

what music do you like? do you like the sound of scratchy voices? if you dont know anything about crossovers and eq's then i suggest something with a bit softer of a sound! eminence is great for loud non sq installs........but if that is what you want then more power to ya and good luck:)

mr_imperial
05-24-2007, 02:18 PM
do you need that specific driver? there are better car audio choices, IMO for less.

dayton's come to mind.

could you maybe post some links?

to mike im looking for just a great sound for pretty cheap

MiniVanMan
05-24-2007, 04:29 PM
Are you looking to run active. With drivers like that, you either need to knowledge of how to build passive crossovers, or you need to run active. If you're running active, then I, (we) can give you a ton of suggestions that will sound great and not break the bank.

Hintzyboy
05-24-2007, 04:53 PM
Very true. If you want SQ, Eminence is NOT the way to go.

For a great, cheap set of passives, look at the Crystal SSCS 6 or Phoenix Gold RSds. The Crystals are like $160 from ROE's store, and the PGs are like $129 I think from OCS.

DejaWiz
05-24-2007, 05:26 PM
For cheap and decent, maybe the Dayton RS?

Mids:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-374

Response graphs:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/295-374g.pdf


Tweeters:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=275-135

Response graph:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pdf/275-135g.pdf


There are lots of other options, as well.

Hintzyboy
05-24-2007, 05:35 PM
For active, you could go this route:

X-over: Coustc XM6 (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-COUSTIC-XM6-3WAY-6CHANNEL-ELECTRONIC-CROSSOVER-XM-6_W0QQitemZ220113569386QQihZ012QQcategoryZ79840QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) $52 shipped on eBay

Mids: Dayton RS180 (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-374) $33 each from Parts Express

Tweets: Vifa D26NC55 (http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=153&products_id=1078)

OR Vifa DX25 (http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1115) $29 and $28 each respectively from Madisound.com

Puts you at about $175.

MiniVanMan
05-24-2007, 05:39 PM
Here's my latest budget boner

The Mach Audio MLI-65

http://www.mach5audio.com/index-2.html

Coupled with this tweeter

http://www.pacparts.com/part.cfm?CFID=767269&CFTOKEN=85991391

Under $100.00 after shipping for some very nice speakers.

Run them active and you have a pretty nice setup that you can brag only cost you "X" amount of dollars.

The mid that DejaWiz recommends is rock solid as well, albeit a bit difficult to work with. If a large format tweeter isn't your cup of tea, then the Seas Neo is a great option, and will match up decently with the RS180.

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=149&products_id=628

If you feel you may get the upgrade bug down the road, the Seas Neo is a great place to start as it's a very versatile tweeter, and performs up there with tweeters much, much more expensive.

The Alpine tweeter is a derivative of Vifa's XT19 which is a highly regarded home tweeter. Beautiful sounding tweeter, but special attention needs to be paid when picking mids to match up with it.

Hintzyboy
05-24-2007, 05:46 PM
Those Mach5s don't have that great of HD levels according to Zaphaudio. Still, for $18 apiece, hard to beat.

Anyway, to the OP, check out Zaphaudio.com and look at the "6.5" to 7" Driver Comparison" as well as the "Tweeter Mishmash. Those are a great source for info when looking for raw drivers to use in an active setup. They have products from all different price ranges, so you're good to go.

pinkfloydms
05-24-2007, 05:49 PM
For active, you could go this route:

X-over: Coustc XM6 (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-COUSTIC-XM6-3WAY-6CHANNEL-ELECTRONIC-CROSSOVER-XM-6_W0QQitemZ220113569386QQihZ012QQcategoryZ79840QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) $52 shipped on eBay

Mids: Dayton RS180 (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-374) $33 each from Parts Express

Tweets: Vifa D26NC55 (http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=153&products_id=1078)

OR Vifa DX25 (http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1115) $29 and $28 each respectively from Madisound.com

Puts you at about $175.

Would the Polk mmc6500 not sound just as good if not better for $150 on ebay?

Hintzyboy
05-24-2007, 05:56 PM
Doubt it. If you want to buy an off-the-shelf passive set, look into the Crystal SSCS6 from Realm of Excursion.

http://store.realmofexcursion.com/

DejaWiz
05-24-2007, 06:01 PM
Coupled with this tweeter

http://www.pacparts.com/part.cfm?CFID=767269&CFTOKEN=85991391


The Alpine tweeter is a derivative of Vifa's XT19 which is a highly regarded home tweeter. Beautiful sounding tweeter, but special attention needs to be paid when picking mids to match up with it.


Or upgrade to the XT25 tweeter for $33 a piece:
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=45_229_250&products_id=1679

mr_imperial
05-25-2007, 12:38 AM
thanks guys for all the help now i actually know what to look for

Hintzyboy
05-25-2007, 01:41 AM
Don't mention it.

Looks like you're in the market for a new sub too. PM me if you wanna talk about my TC9.

mr_imperial
05-25-2007, 09:15 PM
sry to bring up an "old" thread but how does this setup look?

In the doors...
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-335

tweets...
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=121&products_id=1767

and of course a crossover but not really sure which to get.

Hintzyboy
05-25-2007, 09:20 PM
Might be fine, but from what I hear, the Daytons don't like to crossed over much higher than 2 kHz. Might consider a different tweeter that can extend lower.

mr_imperial
05-25-2007, 09:26 PM
Might be fine, but from what I hear, the Daytons don't like to crossed over much higher than 2 kHz. Might consider a different tweeter that can extend lower.

do u know of any under 20 dollars each?

mr_imperial
05-25-2007, 09:26 PM
also how would these do with those tweeters? http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=45_228_256&products_id=846

MiniVanMan
05-25-2007, 11:29 PM
Some people like the DA175s, and I know some people that have used the Silver Flutes. Both have gotten okay reviews. I think the edge goes to the Daytons though.

However , being a metal coned driver, special attention needs to be paid to breakup nodes. So you really want to use a tweeter capable of crossing around 2k. There aren't many budget options, unless you go with a large format tweeter. The only budget option (that performs exceptionally well) is the Seas Neo tweeter.

It runs about $28.00 + shipping from Madisound. You can go with a cheaper tweeter like the XT19 I suggested before, but you'll need to pick a driver with a paper or glass cone. That's why I suggested the MLI-65 as a budget option. Yeah Zaph says it's distortion "won't win any awards", but overall, he still puts it at the highest rating for value.

The driver has been reviewed, and is very capable in a car door.

So, once again I suggest, for extreme budget, but not budget sound, the Mach Audio MLI-65 coupled with the Vifa XT19 (Alpine variant from PacParts).

It would be an easy setup to work with as opposed to a lot of other options like the Tang Band and Dayton offerings.

mr_imperial
05-25-2007, 11:35 PM
Some people like the DA175s, and I know some people that have used the Silver Flutes. Both have gotten okay reviews. I think the edge goes to the Daytons though.

However , being a metal coned driver, special attention needs to be paid to breakup nodes. So you really want to use a tweeter capable of crossing around 2k. There aren't many budget options, unless you go with a large format tweeter. The only budget option (that performs exceptionally well) is the Seas Neo tweeter.

It runs about $28.00 + shipping from Madisound. You can go with a cheaper tweeter like the XT19 I suggested before, but you'll need to pick a driver with a paper or glass cone. That's why I suggested the MLI-65 as a budget option. Yeah Zaph says it's distortion "won't win any awards", but overall, he still puts it at the highest rating for value.

The driver has been reviewed, and is very capable in a car door.

So, once again I suggest, for extreme budget, but not budget sound, the Mach Audio MLI-65 coupled with the Vifa XT19 (Alpine variant from PacParts).

It would be an easy setup to work with as opposed to a lot of other options like the Tang Band and Dayton offerings.

thanks man i think i might just do that mach 5's i mean only 18 bucks a piece. Im assuming u heard both so did they sound better than the silver flutes?

///M5
05-30-2007, 01:18 PM
Here's my latest budget boner

The Mach Audio MLI-65

http://www.mach5audio.com/index-2.html

Coupled with this tweeter

http://www.pacparts.com/part.cfm?CFID=767269&CFTOKEN=85991391

Under $100.00 after shipping for some very nice speakers.

Run them active and you have a pretty nice setup that you can brag only cost you "X" amount of dollars.

The mid that DejaWiz recommends is rock solid as well, albeit a bit difficult to work with. If a large format tweeter isn't your cup of tea, then the Seas Neo is a great option, and will match up decently with the RS180.

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=149&products_id=628

If you feel you may get the upgrade bug down the road, the Seas Neo is a great place to start as it's a very versatile tweeter, and performs up there with tweeters much, much more expensive.

The Alpine tweeter is a derivative of Vifa's XT19 which is a highly regarded home tweeter. Beautiful sounding tweeter, but special attention needs to be paid when picking mids to match up with it.

While I really like your driver choices, I don't like them together that well. My XT19's struggle below 4khz and getting much more than 2k (2.5k with real steep slopes) out of the Mli's isn't realistic either. Of course for the budget having a fairly large underlap isn't always all that bad. I have not tried the two together but normally like to run closer than 1500hz away on my two drivers.

MiniVanMan
05-30-2007, 02:08 PM
While I really like your driver choices, I don't like them together that well. My XT19's struggle below 4khz and getting much more than 2k (2.5k with real steep slopes) out of the Mli's isn't realistic either. Of course for the budget having a fairly large underlap isn't always all that bad. I have not tried the two together but normally like to run closer than 1500hz away on my two drivers.

Like I said, "budget boner". The next step up would be the same mid, and the Seas Neo tweeter. Bit more expensive, but generally worth it.

I've had different experiences with the MLI's, and have yet to really play around with how low the XT19 can go as I've been using it in a 3-way. I've heard the XT19 is good down to 3.5k with 24db slopes, and many have had good luck running the MLIs that high.

The XT19 is a great sounding tweeter though.

DejaWiz
05-30-2007, 02:23 PM
Like I said, "budget boner". The next step up would be the same mid, and the Seas Neo tweeter. Bit more expensive, but generally worth it.

I've had different experiences with the MLI's, and have yet to really play around with how low the XT19 can go as I've been using it in a 3-way. I've heard the XT19 is good down to 3.5k with 24db slopes, and many have had good luck running the MLIs that high.

The XT19 is a great sounding tweeter though.

Agreed.

What are your thoughts about the XT25 in the same setup, MiniVan? Can they get much more lower than the XT19's? Let's say around 2-2.5kHz for the sake of discussion.

I only ask because my reasons are twofold: 1.) To help bring another option into the thread here, and 2.) I'm about to go active with my SPX-177R set using a Coustic XM6. Since the XM6 won't go above 3kHz (at 18dB/Oct) on the HP without leaving a huge frequency gap from the mids, I'm considering the XT25 since I really like the ring radiator Vifa tweeters.

MiniVanMan
05-30-2007, 02:50 PM
The XT25 is a bit better than the XT19 in lower end, but not much. You can get 3k out of them, maybe a bit less if you use a really steep slope. The XM6 though uses 18 db crossover points. I think you may be fine. It's a nice tweeter.

If you want a set, I have some lying around. Powered up and played with. I can let you have them for $25.00 a piece shipped. (not to thread jack) If the OP would like to jump on this he can as well, and I'll give him first dibs since it's his thread.

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=143&products_id=1679

Here's a picture of the XT25 next to some other tweeters.

Starting from left to right. The XT19, the XT25, and the Seas Neo. On top is a standard autosound tweeter made by Polk (the DX3000).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/glevii/Install021.jpg

DejaWiz
05-30-2007, 03:05 PM
Thanks for the info and the picture for reference!

Are those the Seas Neo textiles or aluminums?

MiniVanMan
05-30-2007, 03:18 PM
Textile

///M5
06-04-2007, 07:33 PM
The one warning on the XT25 is that it isn't the best performer off axis, the XT19 is far superior in that realm otherwise I'd surely have a set instead of the 19's myself.