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drwang
05-06-2007, 01:11 AM
I'm thinking about upgrading my 5.25" JL VR coaxials to Rainbow CS230 Contour 2-way Component Speaker System 5.25 used for $160. Is this a decent deal? It's been used for a year.

drwang
05-06-2007, 01:17 AM
This is what I have now:
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_components.php?comp_id=62

And this is what I want to uprade to:
http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=12&ccSID8643dd60547e611052421a6659ed64d2=b655e425b9ae 43d69637432689f1ae00

slick rick
05-06-2007, 01:18 AM
"Do it."

drwang
05-06-2007, 01:41 AM
For that price of $160,.I have other options such as CDT and Focal. Plus these rainbows are quite old. I need better answers please, with more thought.

slick rick
05-06-2007, 01:44 AM
I have heard Contours in 6.5" form and they sounded better than some JL Xr's I have heard...and sounded better than my CDT CL61's...take it as you wish.

6spdcoupe
05-06-2007, 01:46 AM
The Contours incorporated the infamous CAL25 tweets, for that price nowadays you couldnt buy the tweeters alone. You would be quite hard pressed to find a better performer within that range or even 50% higher.

drwang
05-06-2007, 01:55 AM
Thanks guys, that answers my question. Because I was skeptical about getting a used product where I could have purchased a new set of CDT or Focals like everyone else on the forum. I'll give these a shot and let you know how it goes.

drwang
05-06-2007, 04:10 AM
I'll have to upgrade the amp for the rainbows. Any suggestions? I would like to get the most sound quality possible. Budget would be around $200. Thanks.
Ps. I will probably steer away from anything mainstream that's sold in retail stores. I'm open to testing out new products.

KaPPaBaLL
05-06-2007, 05:08 AM
i plan on running my rainbow germaniums from a PG 800.1 : 4channel amp.

125watts @ 4ohms X 4

Not too shabby.

drwang
05-06-2007, 11:53 AM
KaPPaBaLL,
You're from Oakland? I'd love to listen to your setup sometime. I'm from San Francisco. Sounds good with the Phoenix Gold amp. Great match.

What do you think about these amps?
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOENIX-GOLD-OCTANE-R9-0-5-900W-5-CH-AMPLIFIER-AMP-NEW_W0QQitemZ300107337930QQihZ020QQcategoryZ39739Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOENIX-GOLD-RYVAL-V754-CAR-AMP-4-CHANNEL-NEW-2007_W0QQitemZ150117740135QQihZ005QQcategoryZ39739 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

drwang
05-06-2007, 12:05 PM
Here are the pics!

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/drwang84/DSC_0881.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/drwang84/DSC_0874.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/drwang84/DSC_0867.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/drwang84/DSC_0870.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/drwang84/DSC_0875.jpg

According to you guys I suppose I won't be able to find better for the $160.

///M5
05-06-2007, 12:32 PM
As stated elsewhere, better has nothing to do with the price range of the components but the effort and quality of the install. I could smoke that set with a set of drivers for 1/3 the cost if I went through and put them in right versus those mounted with any vehicles stock hardware and location.

KaPPaBaLL
05-06-2007, 05:02 PM
KaPPaBaLL,
You're from Oakland? I'd love to listen to your setup sometime. I'm from San Francisco. Sounds good with the Phoenix Gold amp. Great match.

What do you think about these amps?
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOENIX-GOLD-OCTANE-R9-0-5-900W-5-CH-AMPLIFIER-AMP-NEW_W0QQitemZ300107337930QQihZ020QQcategoryZ39739Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOENIX-GOLD-RYVAL-V754-CAR-AMP-4-CHANNEL-NEW-2007_W0QQitemZ150117740135QQihZ005QQcategoryZ39739 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I don't have the germaniums yet but it's coming soon. been talking to rich this whole time about them. As far as those amps. I guess you can't go wrong with either of them. That PG Ryval amp puts out major power!...

slick rick
05-06-2007, 05:09 PM
Those contours would do very well with 120x2 @ 4 ohms. :)

KaPPaBaLL
05-06-2007, 05:14 PM
hey ricH, those are my speakers on your avatar! :D


Btw, DRwang. I'm from oakland yes.
:)

drwang
05-07-2007, 12:06 AM
Those contours would do very well with 120x2 @ 4 ohms. :)

Sweet the deal is closed. I got the Contours for $160. How I have to find time to install and then look around for an amp. Tweets should wow me as they have everyone else but I might end up upgrading the 5.25" drivers. At least the guy was kind enough to give me his mdf adapter 5.25" to 6.5".

You think 120rms to each is a bit overkill for a 80rms rated speaker components? I ever have problems overpowering my subs but to my JL's I'm only sending them 40rms and they are rated at 60rms.

This will be my first time installing a set of components so I'll be looking to you guys for guidance. I'll probably just drop them in with my current mtx amp until I get a replacement amp. Will need to cut a hole in my sail panels for the tweets. It's going to be a fun project =P

Looks like my JL's are going to be posted for sale real soon.

KaPPaBaLL
05-07-2007, 12:30 AM
You think 120rms to each is a bit overkill for a 80rms rated speaker components? I ever have problems overpowering my subs but to my JL's I'm only sending them 40rms and they are rated at 60rms.

that's why you turn the gains down a little. it won't blow the speaker unless you play it up to distortion. so to answer your question, no, it won't be overkill.

drwang
05-07-2007, 03:01 AM
I will only be needing a 2 channel amp right? Or do I need a channel dedicated to each tweeter and 5.25 driver? This is my first time installing components so I'm not quite sure how it works. The inputs from the amp to the crossover makes sense obviously but from the crossover to the tweets it gets confusing because there are 3 inputs. This is hard to explain but if you guys would look at the pic of the crossover I posted, would you explain to me how to do the wiring? Thanks!

AMA
05-07-2007, 03:10 AM
Tweeter wires into tweeter, door speaker wires into woofer, input to amp.

KaPPaBaLL
05-07-2007, 03:12 AM
it depends on if your components is biampable... if it is then one tweeter to 1st channel, one woofer to 2nd channel, second tweeter to 3rd channel etc.....
of course matching each speaker it's corresponding position.

slick rick
05-07-2007, 03:13 AM
that set is not bi-ampable via the x-overs...

drwang
05-07-2007, 03:26 AM
For the tweeter input there are 3 screws, (a)+0db (b)+3db (c)- . Should I just play around with the (+) input for the tweeters? I noticed that the tweeter wires are pretty short at around 3 inches. I suppose the crossover has to be mounted pretty high up on the door? Or should I solder an extension to the tweeter wires?

KaPPaBaLL
05-07-2007, 03:58 AM
For the tweeter input there are 3 screws, (a)+0db (b)+3db (c)- . Should I just play around with the (+) input for the tweeters? I noticed that the tweeter wires are pretty short at around 3 inches. I suppose the crossover has to be mounted pretty high up on the door? Or should I solder an extension to the tweeter wires?

use an extension

uap999
05-07-2007, 10:30 PM
nope upgrade it sir with qsd 213 and qsd 164 as mid bass kit... drive it with jl 300/4 amp it really a soooothing feeeeeling.......................:yumyum:

drwang
05-08-2007, 02:51 AM
I'm thinking about getting a RF P5002 amp to match my P8002. Will that amp be decent enough for the Rainbows? I want to make the most out of the Contours and I need you guys to help me select an amp.

KaPPaBaLL
05-08-2007, 03:00 AM
I'm thinking about getting a RF P5002 amp to match my P8002. Will that amp be decent enough for the Rainbows? I want to make the most out of the Contours and I need you guys to help me select an amp.

fosgate ***** get something like JL, phoenix gold rsd series, hifonics, what not...

drwang
05-08-2007, 03:09 AM
I won't do hifonics ever,..haha sorry and JL 300.2 would be perfect except the price tag is a bit expensive at around $300
I think my budget is $200 max.

KaPPaBaLL
05-08-2007, 03:36 AM
I won't do hifonics ever,..haha sorry and JL 300.2 would be perfect except the price tag is a bit expensive at around $300
I think my budget is $200 max.

shop around man. you get what you pay for. just stay away from sorry *** fosgate..
check ebay for phoenix gold amps.. there are plenty at the $125 range.. that's how much i got my 800:4 for...

drwang
05-08-2007, 03:51 AM
shop around man. you get what you pay for. just stay away from sorry *** fosgate..
check ebay for phoenix gold amps.. there are plenty at the $125 range.. that's how much i got my 800:4 for...

Yup that's what I'm doing. Actually I'm looking at used JL amps now lol. By the way, nice pic. Karate?
I've heard good things about the PG amps but never used them and don't really like the looks of them,.. not that it should be my deciding factor....

KaPPaBaLL
05-08-2007, 09:52 AM
Yup that's what I'm doing. Actually I'm looking at used JL amps now lol. By the way, nice pic. Karate?
I've heard good things about the PG amps but never used them and don't really like the looks of them,.. not that it should be my deciding factor....

JL is always a reputable brand name to go with. Phoenix gold did go down as far as quality from what I hear but it works great for me. I know the PG RSD amps are suppose to be pretty good. Haven't tried those yet. I have the octane series 4channel amp by them.
Yeah, that's a picture a friend of mine took couple weeks back. It's Tae Kwon Do though. 3rd degree National competitor. shh don't tell anyone ;) It looks good for my future career on the resume. :laugh:
But yeah, looks never hurt anything but I wouldn't care too much about how it(amp) looks.

John

drwang
05-09-2007, 12:46 AM
Alright, been doing a lot of research lately and this is what I'm aiming to get. I'm looking around for an old school Arc Audio CXL-4150. I couldn't find any pictures but a friend of mine told me that they are white with gold arc label. Does anyone know when these were manufactured? And how much are these amps worth today? I figure I'd go with an amp made in my state of California(Modesto),.. represent! haha

I came across Audison amps in my search and this one guy was selling his VRX 300 for $600. Definitely out of my budget.

6spdcoupe
05-09-2007, 12:52 AM
The White CXLs ...a guesstimate would be 2002 era. They then went to dark Blue and then Gunmetal. Until finally changing the heatsink completely and calling it a 4150 XXK. All in all theyre the same board. The XXKs would be the easiest to find since they were current until last year and have a better cooling heatsink design.

drwang
05-09-2007, 01:23 AM
The White CXLs ...a guesstimate would be 2002 era. They then went to dark Blue and then Gunmetal. Until finally changing the heatsink completely and calling it a 4150 XXK. All in all theyre the same board. The XXKs would be the easiest to find since they were current until last year and have a better cooling heatsink design.

Hey 6spdcoupe,
I just realized your audio system is insane to say the least. I'm scared to even ask how much you $$ you have invested. Every piece of equipment you own is legendary, or so it seems when I've been browsing car audio forums. I'd love to see your setup and I bet one day it might end up in a museum of some sort haha.
Anyways, I was lucky enough to find someone with the Arc CXL 4150 with rating of 8/10 cosmetics. The seller upgraded to the newer XXK model which is his reason for selling. He was asking $260 for the Arc CXL 4150. It's over my budget but I figure I can afford to spend a little more if it's a good deal. Think I should pull the trigger or wait for something else? I mean, it is 5 years old but I'm sure it's a solid amp given it's reputation.

drwang
05-09-2007, 01:40 AM
I just read an interesting interview with the leaders of car audio. here's a link for anyone interested.
http://www.caraudiomag.com/specialfeatures/0309cae_car_audio_industry_legends/

drwang
05-09-2007, 04:45 PM
The White CXLs ...a guesstimate would be 2002 era. They then went to dark Blue and then Gunmetal. Until finally changing the heatsink completely and calling it a 4150 XXK. All in all theyre the same board. The XXKs would be the easiest to find since they were current until last year and have a better cooling heatsink design.

OK here are my 2 options:

1) get the Arc CXL4150 (6 year old) for $260 (classic old school performance)

2) get the Arc KAR600.4 (brand new) for $350 (entry level)

6spdcoupe
05-09-2007, 05:44 PM
Hey 6spdcoupe,
I just realized your audio system is insane to say the least. I'm scared to even ask how much you $$ you have invested. Every piece of equipment you own is legendary, or so it seems when I've been browsing car audio forums. I'd love to see your setup and I bet one day it might end up in a museum of some sort haha.
Anyways, I was lucky enough to find someone with the Arc CXL 4150 with rating of 8/10 cosmetics. The seller upgraded to the newer XXK model which is his reason for selling. He was asking $260 for the Arc CXL 4150. It's over my budget but I figure I can afford to spend a little more if it's a good deal. Think I should pull the trigger or wait for something else? I mean, it is 5 years old but I'm sure it's a solid amp given it's reputation.

Thanks for the kind words, but there are many people with much nicer toys than I have out there. I just go with the flow and accept what the manufacturers give me. :)

The 4150 is a proven solid performer and that is a good price for a truly classic piece.

6spdcoupe
05-09-2007, 05:45 PM
OK here are my 2 options:

1) get the Arc CXL4150 (6 year old) for $260 (classic old school performance)

2) get the Arc KAR600.4 (brand new) for $350 (entry level)

If the 600.4 is new from a dealer, then go for it. Although at that price Im doubting that it is. Go with the 4150 for a solid Arc classic, go with the 600.4 to have a bit more headroom.

drwang
05-09-2007, 09:17 PM
Thanks for the kind words, but there are many people with much nicer toys than I have out there. I just go with the flow and accept what the manufacturers give me. :)

The 4150 is a proven solid performer and that is a good price for a truly classic piece.

You make me want to buy them both haha. Anywho, the reason for the real low price for the Kar600.4 is because the dealer(or ex-dealer) used to sell Arc audio but wasn't doing well with sales so they replaced Arc with JL & TMA(Total Mobile Audio-which was purchased by JL) stuff. The Kar600.4 is his last piece of Arc equipment. And he claims it's new.

Either way, like you said, I'll get a really nice deal but I'm having a real difficult time deciding which path to take. If price and quality are factored, which would you(or any one else reading this) choose?

I posted the poll at http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233132

Please vote =)

drwang
05-11-2007, 07:56 PM
A friend of mine is parting out his old system. He has the arc 2050cxl amp. It will only provide 50rms per channel at 4ohm. He's selling it for $100 and the cosmetics are very poor. Scratches and scuff marks. I'm thinking that won't be enough power for the rainbows right?