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ngsm13
04-02-2007, 08:18 PM
http://www.audioholics.com/news/edit...lready-failed/ (http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/10-reasons-why-high-definition-dvd-formats-have-already-failed/)


Without any further ado, here are the reasons HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc will never turn into the dominant formats for digital media viewing:
Nobody likes false starts
With the debut of HD DVD at an underwhelming 720p/1080i, coupled with a buggy interface and a transport that makes boiling water seem like a speedy event, the entrance of high definition DVD into the mainstream came out of the starting gate lame and hobbled. For Toshiba to release a player that didn't support true HD at 1080p (even though the software does), and with no lossless audio format to accompany the video track, the high definition wave was more of a ripple. Add to this the delay of HDMI 1.3, lack of market penetration and supply, and a dearth amount of software titles and you have a very unimpressive product launch.
Format Wars Don't Sell Players
The only reason Sony's Playstation, Microsoft's Xbox and the Nintendo GameCube can sell so well simultaneously is because of the prevalence of excellent software titles. People want to buy the hardware just so they can play the software. This is not a format war - it is choice, just like Chevy and Ford (and just like the gaming systems, some people have one of each). The high definition DVD formats, however are really just the same source material packaged in two different wrappers- not to provide choice, mind you, but because the two camps simply are too greedy to combine forces, and not innovative enough to drive two truly separate products successfully. Take careful note - a format war is NOT competition, it is a hindrance and the bane of high definition DVDs.
HD DVD and Blu-ray are NOT Quantum Leaps in Technology
Consumers came over in droves when CDs were released back in 1982. The new format offered not only a new digital media, but also a way to instantly access tracks across an entire "album". Convenience, not technology, drove this format to almost instant consumer adoption. Fast forward a bit to 1997 when the first DVD player was released. Again, convenience, not technology, drove people to the market en masse. Unlike VHS tapes, the new DVD format was smaller, easily navigated and would not wear down over time like existing tape-based formats. Heck, the concept of a shiny plastic disc was new - and quite frankly, it was the coolest thing to hit the technological shelf since solid state technology. In comparison, the high definition DVD formats, save the color of the business side of the disc, look exactly the same… and consumer confusion will surely follow.
What do the new high definition DVD formats offer consumers over DVD? Technology and more storage. Is this enough? Not on your life. Consumers, most of whom rarely know how to properly configure their players or home theater systems, are perfectly content with their current DVD players (and indeed some have just jumped on board to DVD in the last several years). While the potential for more extras and alternate endings exists due to increased storage on the new media, there is no compelling reason for consumers to migrate over to the new high definition DVD formats in large numbers.
Studios are Conservative, Greedy and Unmotivated
Studios are so conservative in their practices as to consistently miss out on market advances - even those that can make them money (ie. Why is a computer company running the world's most successful online music store?) The studios are not jumping on board the high definition DVD bandwagon just yet - and you can see the lack of titles to prove it. If the movie studios decided that HD DVD or Blu-ray (or both) was to be the next dominant format, it need only to flood the market with software titles and present a plan to roll back on DVD production over the next 10 years. Even though this would grant them the secure format that they seem to want (HD DVDs and Blu-ray discs promise to be much harder to rip or duplicate) there is no indication in the industry that this is taking place or even in the works. The studios are making money hand over fist with DVD they cannot seem to bring themselves to seriously initiate a new, unproven technology - even if it saves them from some other copyright headaches.
Add to this the fact that new titles are coming out at $30 a pop (and this down from an initial $35/title) and you have a really hard sell for consumers who are used to $15 titles at Wal-mart and the large electronics chains.
Playstation3 Cannot Save the World
We have consistently heard it said that the Playstation3 will "jump start" the market by flooding it with millions of gaming systems capable of handling Blu-ray Disc software. The problem with this theory is that the PS3 is not being marketed as a home theater component and, if current installations prove the rule, most will not be situated in the average consumer's living room. The result is that the PS3 will primarily be a *gasp* gaming system. Maybe I have a more traditional group of parents in my association of friends, but, taking into account #4 above, I do not think that Blu-ray will make any major leaps forward in market penetration as a home video format - at least not anytime soon.
History is bearing this out, as the HTPC market, though driven hard by such manufacturers as Microsoft, Dell and HP (http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/10-reasons-why-high-definition-dvd-formats-have-already-failed/#), has struggled to find a place in the living room. Nearly every gaming system of the past: PS2, Xbox, and even the legendary 3DO system have been touted as "set-top boxes" but in reality find themselves situated in more "gaming-centric" environments playing… you guessed it, games .Continued in next post...

nG

ngsm13
04-02-2007, 08:18 PM
Those Who Ignore History…
For years we've heard about the evils of MP3 and illegal downloading. All the while the RIAA and music industry had two formats that could have prevented any illegal copying - at least for all but the most dedicated crackers: DVD-Audio and SACD. These formats proved to be higher quality than CD, presented much enhanced copy protection schemes and were easily used as alternative formats to CD. Yet both formats failed miserably to achieve any significant market penetration. Why? Without an artificial "shove" from the record industry - which never materialized - technology alone is never enough to push a new format into the hands of consumers. In terms of convenience and ease of use, DVD-Audio and SACD offered nothing to consumers. In fact, they made listening to music more complex, since most hardware was unable to correctly decode and provide adequate bass management for the new formats.
Could these formats have succeeded? Absolutely. If the recording industry had presented a plan to phase out CDs and the "format war" had been avoided (simply by the industry picking one format over the other) we would all be using DVD-Audio players and illegal downloadable music would be mostly confined to analogue rips or older music. Is this a stretch? Perhaps, but only because history shows us that corporate greed causes most companies to miss the long term economical gains over a short term loss of licensing revenues.
People Want Technology that's 15 Minutes Ahead of Its Time
For many people, getting into HDTV is all about the widescreen and being able to see their DVDs with more clarity than ever before. When Billy Bob comes home with his new high definition 720p display, the difference between that and his older SD TV is amazing - at least when he's watching DVDs. You see, that's the problem - and it's two-fold. While most consumers are still getting into the HDTV craze, they're already impressed. And the difference between SD TV and HDTV is more amazing than the difference between 480p DVDs and 1080i downrezzed high definition discs.
The other side of the coin is the lack of HD content available on TV - and this is a biggie. While Billy Bob is impressed by his DVD player, he is dumbfounded by his cable TV - which actually looks worse than it did on his old set (mostly because it's bigger). You see, nobody told Billy Bob that he'd have to get an antenna or subscribe to HD service from his cable/satellite provider. He was also not told that most of his favorite shows (Billy likes sitcoms and the Sci-Fi Channel) aren't yet available in HD, regardless of technology or service provider. As a result, many Americans are underwhelmed or feel like they got burned by HDTV. The last thing they're going to do is rush out and buy the next greatest thing.
Enthusiasts Are Getting Tired (and Smarter)
While some home theater audio- and videophiles have the money and inclination to rush out and buy the latest and greatest toys as soon as they are available, many more are becoming more cautious. Burned by 8-track, laserdisc, SACD, and DVD-Audio (and possibly soon non-HDCP HDTV) - these war-weary consumers are going to think long and hard before jumping onto any new technological bandwagons. This leaves a shrunken market of even the bleeding-edge consumers, and that means even less sales to early-adopters.
A Skeptical News Media Doesn't Help
I'll admit it, we're part of the "problem" (though I'd like to think we're saving consumers from making the next big mistake). An increasingly skeptical news media isn't buying into the hype of HD DVD and Blu-ray, especially not after wasting millions of editorial words on DVD-Audio and SACD, only to watch the software and technology dwindle into obscurity. Even after almost 6 years, most consumers continue to proffer puzzled looks when these audio formats are mentioned. The new DVD formats are getting plenty of press, mind you, but with the Toshiba flop and lack of software, the fact that the Emperor has no clothes (at least not yet) is hard to avoid.
Broadband and IPTV to Compete?
With Verizon, AOL, Time Warner and others jumping to provide HD on-demand services for the consumer it is a very likely event that high definition DVD will be something that isn't relevant in a service-directed marketplace. Add to this Apple Computer's recent push for video downloads (http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/AppleiTunesmoviedownloads.php) and we may find that consumers are far more interested in quantity, portability, and ease of use over high quality source material. Even with respect to high definition formats, downloadable files burned to consumer-supplied media (http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CEStechnology/ScientificAtlantaDVRDVDR.php) may make data high definition DVDs more significant than the retail formats. This consumer model is being readied for testing in South Carolina's head-end for Time Warner Cable this year.:p:

nG

dont_smokerocks
04-02-2007, 08:21 PM
ok, you win? what do you want me to say?

Megalomaniac
04-02-2007, 08:26 PM
Format Wars Don't Sell Players

i agree with that . but still i needz my HD

PatFitz9
04-02-2007, 08:28 PM
i never understood why they thought that a half-way to HD was the way to go... who would buy a HD-DVD player when their TV can to better?

Thieroff
04-02-2007, 08:30 PM
****.


ct

1loudsuv
04-02-2007, 08:37 PM
i agree with that . but still i needz my HD

yep :)

im not gonna wait for anything life is to short and is not promised to us so i get what i can as fast as i can and enjoy life.


dont tell me if your single and a girl in the 8 range comes to you to have *** and you know you might get something better in teh future but no timeline that you wont hit it?


***** to have hd-dvd and blu ray huh only the best sound and picture available for movies ot the general public and i have both :fro:

thylantyr
04-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Audioholics: Many times they drink the wrong booze.

ngsm13
04-02-2007, 08:38 PM
It happens.

nG

JimJ
04-02-2007, 09:24 PM
***** to have hd-dvd and blu ray huh only the best sound and picture available for movies ot the general public and i have both

1) You are not your TV.
2) Some don't care :D

I'll stick to what I know, at least there isn't a format war with LPs anymore :)

docutech
04-02-2007, 10:01 PM
Interesting read, however:

1. As I watch the basketball championship game in HD 1080i AND Dolby Digital I feel as though I am part of the action (next best thing to actually being there)

2. It doesnt matter to me what it could or should be like or most importantly what it used to be. I love what I see and hear and thats what matters.

All that other jibberish is just that. No disrespect to the OP.


A resize only right out of camera:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e134/p_j507/ncaa.jpg

Max_Power
04-02-2007, 10:08 PM
Interesting read, however:

1. As I watch the basketball championship game in HD 1080i AND Dolby Digital I feel as though I am part of the action (next best thing to actually being there)

2. It doesnt matter to me what it could or should be like or most importantly what it used to be. I love what I see and hear and thats what matters.

All that other jibberish is just that. No disrespect to the OP.


A resize only right out of camera:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e134/p_j507/ncaa.jpg

That Sammy's picture is awesome. I cant tell from the pic, but is it LCD or DLP?

docutech
04-02-2007, 10:11 PM
LCD with a 20 dollar over the air Zenith Silver Sensor antenna.

Max_Power
04-02-2007, 10:13 PM
LCD with a 20 dollar over the air Zenith Silver Sensor antenna.

wow then, how big is the screen?

Flipx99
04-02-2007, 10:13 PM
I can't see well enough to tell the difference. I wish they still made black and white TVs or had the option for black and white. I could see well then.

ngsm13
04-02-2007, 10:15 PM
I'm not disputing HD content...

And I just posted this thread as a... "heh" type thread...

nG

docutech
04-02-2007, 10:20 PM
wow then, how big is the screen?

52 inch LN-S5296D

elementxero
04-02-2007, 10:31 PM
I just want to post in a thread that was started by nG and actually contained something intriguing, interesting, or insightful, even if it was lifted from an external site.


Forum first?



/awaits ban stick

joetama
04-02-2007, 11:17 PM
I have to say that I couldn't agree with that writter more!!!

Good find mang!!!

ngsm13
04-02-2007, 11:19 PM
Indeeds.

A lot of good analogies, and past examples...

nG

Eugenics
04-02-2007, 11:22 PM
i think its a little idealistic but meh.

1loudsuv
04-02-2007, 11:31 PM
1) You are not your TV.
2) Some don't care :D

I'll stick to what I know, at least there isn't a format war with LPs anymore :)

stuck in the past arent you.....


me i like the latest and greatest.

some people are happy with their boomboxes who are you to say what i should want or who am i to say what other should like.

but i havent had anyone come over to my house that hasnt smiled through a whole movie and ooo and aaa's when the sound or really good image shots show up, its the best feeling ever having people call you up and tell you they wish they had the toys you have :)

ps i just got back from best buy and picked up talladega night (not the best movie out but something to watch after prison break) and watched goal and nothing immerses you more into a movie then awesome lossless audio and high definition picture.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/subingncali/0402072032.jpg

joetama
04-02-2007, 11:39 PM
1loudsuv should be in the marketing team for HD or BR...

Too bad even with regular DVD my system still sounds better... :nerd:;)

1loudsuv
04-02-2007, 11:49 PM
1loudsuv should be in the marketing team for HD or BR...

Too bad even with regular DVD my system still sounds better... :nerd:;)

i heard the 703 and their not any better then the 7001 from def tech now the 800's are a different monster..

but the def techs do retail for about $500 more for the pair then the 703'sbut i didnt pay retail :)

maybe one day i can afford some 800ds :)

i think the sound difference is actually way better for blu ray and hd-dvd then the image quality, versus dvd. its much more dynamic and better sounding.

Eugenics
04-02-2007, 11:54 PM
stuck in the past arent you.....


me i like the latest and greatest.

some people are happy with their boomboxes who are you to say what i should want or who am i to say what other should like.

but i havent had anyone come over to my house that hasnt smiled through a whole movie and ooo and aaa's when the sound or really good image shots show up, its the best feeling ever having people call you up and tell you they wish they had the toys you have :)

ps i just got back from best buy and picked up talladega night (not the best movie out but something to watch after prison break) and watched goal and nothing immerses you more into a movie then awesome lossless audio and high definition picture.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/subingncali/0402072032.jpg

that wouldn't get me off at all. infact i'd resent it.

Flipx99
04-02-2007, 11:59 PM
I am curious if you still max out your 401(k) and IRA. That is pretty good to invest $18k/yr and still get all these things.

lookitsjim23
04-03-2007, 12:04 AM
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e134/p_j507/ncaa.jpg


that looks awesome

Pistonsfan70
04-03-2007, 12:05 AM
LCD with a 20 dollar over the air Zenith Silver Sensor antenna.


Can some PLEASE explain how the antenna's for HD work?? I have a 65" 1080p beauty I'd love to see even CLEARER (if possible)

docutech
04-03-2007, 12:05 AM
that looks awesome

You should see it in person.

thylantyr
04-03-2007, 12:13 AM
HD p0rn - now you can see all the female flaws........ harr harr...........

Decipha
04-03-2007, 12:13 AM
i bet ...im just awaiting till they get hd monitors for car use

elementxero
04-03-2007, 01:07 AM
its the best feeling ever having people call you up and tell you they wish they had the toys you have :)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23/subingncali/0402072032.jpg

That is a little sad to me. That's the best feeling you have ever had? I don't envy you at all, despite your assumption that ooo's and aaa's from video and audio quality would generate such a response.

We all like high quality multimedia here, that's why this place exists, but I think its important not to confuse materialistic, indeed, nearly hedonistic indulgence in audio/visual toys for reproducing ENTERTAINMENT, aka DISTRACTION, with actual existentially satisfying moments.

That's the kind of **** that breeds 20,000+ post counts.


PS- NOBODY WORTH A **** is going to envy you for having Talladega Nights on Blu-Ray.

JimJ
04-03-2007, 01:49 AM
stuck in the past arent you.....

For some things...yes :)


its the best feeling ever having people call you up and tell you they wish they had the toys you have

I build my system for one person - me. I'm the one that's going to be listening to it, I don't really care if people like what I've done with it or not.

I personally think the best feeling is finding a cool new album to play, going home and relaxing on the couch while surrounded by the experience...but meh, maybe I should be out trying to impress people.


Can some PLEASE explain how the antenna's for HD work??

The same way antennas for non-HD work :)

Beat_Dominator
04-03-2007, 01:57 AM
I build my system for one person - me. I'm the one that's going to be listening to it, I don't really care if people like what I've done with it or not.

I personally think the best feeling is finding a cool new album to play, going home and relaxing on the couch while surrounded by the experience...but meh, maybe I should be out trying to impress people.


Plus your friends probably think you're a psycho for spending the kind of ca$h you do on 2 channel. :p:

ballstothewall
04-03-2007, 02:18 AM
Plus your friends probably think you're a psycho for spending the kind of ca$h you do on 2 channel. :p:

Thats cause he is... :naughty:

Pistonsfan70
04-03-2007, 02:20 AM
For some things...yes :)



I build my system for one person - me. I'm the one that's going to be listening to it, I don't really care if people like what I've done with it or not.

I personally think the best feeling is finding a cool new album to play, going home and relaxing on the couch while surrounded by the experience...but meh, maybe I should be out trying to impress people.



The same way antennas for non-HD work :)

LOL a little more detail would be great!! Does it ASSIST my cable box....is it a totally separate signal?? How much of an improvement is it?

JimJ
04-03-2007, 02:33 AM
See, this is what happens when people forget what older technology was :D

Doesn't have anything to do with the cable box...totally seperate. You can either buy or build an antenna. Put it up in the highest spot that you can...outside antennas are preferable. Use really good quality coax cable back to the TV - RG-6QS or the Belden equivalent.

How much of an improvement? Well, without an antenna you won't receive squat unless you live 10 stories up or right next to the transmitter :)

1loudsuv
04-03-2007, 02:34 AM
That is a little sad to me. That's the best feeling you have ever had?

not really, more like everytime i pick up a high def movie like casino royale or many other things (i worded it wrong should of put its a good feeling not the best lol)



I don't envy you at all, despite your assumption that ooo's and aaa's from video and audio quality would generate such a response.
why would i try to impress you if i dont even know you... i dont even know if you even have an ht setup? if you had a nice one say like b&w or others then yah i would try to impress you. i know their trying to impress others or else they wouldnt put it in their sig. its not like their getting paid to advertise what they run, so why post pictures? to show off duh!




That's the kind of **** that breeds 20,000+ post counts.
huh i have as much posts as you do lol






PS- NOBODY WORTH A **** is going to envy you for having Talladega Nights on Blu-Ray.

its isnt the only blu ray movie i have... i have 13 now and 40 hd-dvds. if you dont envy someone that has a nicer setup then you then he obviously doesnt have a nicer setup so you should post some pix of your setup.... or you just dont like the same stuff he does. i know theirs tons of setups i see on the avs forum i wish i had, but their is a few of those that live in apartments and can never really hear what their setups can do... me on the other hand my roomate which we live in a 3 bedroom house. actually thinks its cool when i shake the walls :) when his freinds come over his always asking me if i can demo it to them and im more then glad to. but their is nothing like having your own house but their still the girlfreind to worry about...

1loudsuv
04-03-2007, 02:37 AM
LOL a little more detail would be great!! Does it ASSIST my cable box....is it a totally separate signal?? How much of an improvement is it?

well they say over the air is better then cable hd channels. i do notice a slight difference in pq but it can be cause of many reasons like the cable company compresing it more then others or beats me but their is a slight improvement. i have an over the air hd antenna which i picked up from walmart for $30 but anything like a cell phone can make it drop the channel so i prefer to use my cable box unless the cable is out which then i have no choice.

Eugenics
04-03-2007, 06:08 AM
i bet ...im just awaiting till they get hd monitors for car use

i honestly doubt a whole lot of people would be able to discern a difference.

bigbangtheory
04-04-2007, 10:23 PM
This thread has made me want to go pick up a HD cable antenna and give that a try. Hell if I like it then I am droping my cable box......................................not, lol!

joetama
04-04-2007, 10:44 PM
HD over the Cable is useless...

Unless you live in an area where you don't get HD off air....

ngsm13
04-04-2007, 11:43 PM
This thread has made me want to go pick up a HD cable antenna and give that a try. Hell if I like it then I am droping my cable box......................................not, lol!

It's not a cable antenna, it's gives you local HD Channels basically...

nG

JimJ
04-05-2007, 12:45 AM
Cable antenna?

That's a new one? :laugh:

ngsm13
04-05-2007, 12:51 AM
Indeed.

nG

Beat_Dominator
04-05-2007, 12:53 AM
It's called a UHF antenna. Do not need "HD" written on it. It looks really really good too, the picture you'll get on local HD broadcasts, that is.

JimJ
04-05-2007, 12:55 AM
It looks really really good too, the picture you'll get on local HD broadcasts, that is.

I'd say a big rooftop antenna array looks really really good too...but I'm kinda demented in that way :D

profundus-sanus
04-05-2007, 01:02 AM
HD over the Cable is useless...

Unless you live in an area where you don't get HD off air....


channel quantity. Espn, discovery, premium movie channels, and whatever that channel is that broadcasts concerts in hd.

But sometimes through the cable box the hd channels won't even be braodcast in hd. They show up in letterbox 480p, then arbitrarily pop in and out of 1080i. Only does it on the channels that can be picked up on the antenna.

Coolwazabi
04-05-2007, 01:05 AM
isn't there already a disc thats like 1 tarabite ?

ballstothewall
04-05-2007, 01:08 AM
isn't there already a disc thats like 1 tarabite ?

They have organic based media developed that is in the tens to hundreds of terabytes that is the size of your fingernail, but they haven't figured out how to protect it from the elements yet. Dashboard of a car for ~20min and it'll be junk.

Beat_Dominator
04-05-2007, 01:09 AM
:bsflag:

ballstothewall
04-05-2007, 01:12 AM
:bsflag:

A Kansas State University Engineering professor told me this, hes been over there and seen it.

Take it for what you wish.

profundus-sanus
04-05-2007, 01:14 AM
They have organic based media developed that is in the tens to hundreds of terabytes that is the size of your fingernail, but they haven't figured out how to protect it from the elements yet. Dashboard of a car for ~20min and it'll be junk.

please provide info if you can. Several hundreds of terabytes is an immense(for lack of a larger word) ammount of storage for a disc. And imagine the computational power that would be required to run the disc in a timely manner.

JimJ
04-05-2007, 01:15 AM
Dude, I can make an LP that holds tens to hundreds of terabytes.

It'd just need to ring around the Earth like Saturn or something...

:)

Beat_Dominator
04-05-2007, 01:15 AM
I follow news on that stuff, I'd need an article or something to believe what you heard. The size is the first thing I question because organic storage stuff usually is quite large.

Manufactured diamond storage however.......

ballstothewall
04-05-2007, 01:18 AM
I follow news on that stuff, I'd need an article or something to believe what you heard. The size is the first thing I question because organic storage stuff usually is quite large.

Manufactured diamond storage however.......

I didn't ask many questions, about all I know is what I typed. **** ton of terabytes, small *** space, and it couldn't live for ****. Somewhere in Chine IIRC.

ballstothewall
04-05-2007, 01:18 AM
please provide info if you can. Several hundreds of terabytes is an immense(for lack of a larger word) ammount of storage for a disc. And imagine the computational power that would be required to run the disc in a timely manner.

Who said it was a disk?

Beat_Dominator
04-05-2007, 01:21 AM
I didn't ask many questions, about all I know is what I typed. **** ton of terabytes, small *** space, and it couldn't live for ****. Somewhere in Chine IIRC.

Yeah not trying to be mean, just sounds a little "embellished" ;)

ballstothewall
04-05-2007, 01:24 AM
Yeah not trying to be mean, just sounds a little "embellished" ;)

I've learned to take things with a grain of salt... I dont doubt something like this exists though. *if it dosen't currently, it will pretty **** quick*

profundus-sanus
04-05-2007, 01:32 AM
Who said it was a disk?

i swear i saw it in there. but nope. was there any hint on size? as in finger nail by fingernail or what?

joetama
04-05-2007, 10:16 AM
I had a prof talk about something like that once. It is a cube however, not a circular surface. And he said it was 'a fingernail in width'

joetama
04-05-2007, 10:20 AM
channel quantity. Espn, discovery, premium movie channels, and whatever that channel is that broadcasts concerts in hd.

But sometimes through the cable box the hd channels won't even be braodcast in hd. They show up in letterbox 480p, then arbitrarily pop in and out of 1080i. Only does it on the channels that can be picked up on the antenna.

But it is the idea of FREE vs. $30-$60 more a month on top of the already expensive cable bill. I don't think watching Myth Busters or How it's Made in HD is really worth it, and are those shows even in HD. And the Premium Movie Channels are a joke. HBO has been playing 'You've got mail' for the last month and 'Fever Pitch' for the past 3 months. And I really couldn't give too shits about those films. Really if you think about it HDTV is pretty much a joke. Watched Leno in HD the other day and discovered that most stars are really ugly. Bummer....

djman37
04-05-2007, 10:28 AM
:bsflag:

it's called holostore. the first holostore recorder is out. Been out almost a year. I went to a demo months ago. The meda for broadcasters looks like an MO, but with yellow tinted media. I might be able to find the link of the gear in a bit for the doubters.
As the technology refines, the same media will be able to hold more without re-buying media.
the original article in popular science talked about a holostore cube for audio that was being worked on 10cm x 10cm at the time. The first recording media to branch away from Edison's first design. Finally, access at the speed of light. The consumer 'chip' was going to hold every instrument from an orchestra for a concert, or two-weeks worth of stereo recordings.

edited for link to holostore product.
http://www.inphase-technologies.com/

joetama
04-05-2007, 10:43 AM
That would be the **** if you could buy a media that had every instrument recorded individually and then have a pre-programed mix that mixed them back in real time on your system...

THat would sound AMAZING!

djman37
04-05-2007, 10:45 AM
That would be the **** if you could buy a media that had every instrument recorded individually and then have a pre-programed mix that mixed them back in real time on your system...

THat would sound AMAZING!

i can't find the article yet. it was only, at that time, a theory of potential for the chip.

'you can be your own conductor' was i think the quote.

the disc
http://news.com.com/Maxell+focuses+on+holographic+storage/2100-1015_3-5973868.html

profundus-sanus
04-05-2007, 10:50 AM
But it is the idea of FREE vs. $30-$60 more a month on top of the already expensive cable bill. I don't think watching Myth Busters or How it's Made in HD is really worth it, and are those shows even in HD. And the Premium Movie Channels are a joke. HBO has been playing 'You've got mail' for the last month and 'Fever Pitch' for the past 3 months. And I really couldn't give too shits about those films. Really if you think about it HDTV is pretty much a joke. Watched Leno in HD the other day and discovered that most stars are really ugly. Bummer....

try 10$ a month including dvr and showtime.

The movie channels are just another channel to watch that occasionally have a decent movie on.

Obviously it all depends on priority and to each their own.

JimJ
04-05-2007, 10:58 AM
That would be the **** if you could buy a media that had every instrument recorded individually and then have a pre-programed mix that mixed them back in real time on your system...

THat would sound AMAZING!

And have none of the coolness of single-miked recordings :)

But what do I know...I'm stuck in the past :blackeye:

joetama
04-05-2007, 11:06 AM
try 10$ a month including dvr and showtime.

The movie channels are just another channel to watch that occasionally have a decent movie on.

Obviously it all depends on priority and to each their own.

You must have an awesome cable company... You should come down here to Cincy. They would laugh at you if you only wanted to pay that much.


And have none of the coolness of single-miked recordings :)

But what do I know...I'm stuck in the past :blackeye:


With a REALLY good stereo mic then you can get some really great recordings out of that. But, the thing I don't like about most recordings is how they are mixed. A media like that would give me the ability to mix my own records to my liking. A lot of mix engineers today are idiots and have no ears at all...

profundus-sanus
04-05-2007, 01:00 PM
You must have an awesome cable company... You should come down here to Cincy. They would laugh at you if you only wanted to pay that much.

i believe its an introductory offer, but my local comcast people are pushovers. We've had the dish switchover price for the last 3 years.

DBfan187
04-05-2007, 01:01 PM
channel quantity. Espn, discovery, premium movie channels, and whatever that channel is that broadcasts concerts in hd.

But sometimes through the cable box the hd channels won't even be braodcast in hd. They show up in letterbox 480p, then arbitrarily pop in and out of 1080i. Only does it on the channels that can be picked up on the antenna.my cable box did the samething until I turned it off and pushed 'MENU' on the remote, then set all of the HD channels up for 720P and the digital channels to 480P, also selected the output to widescreen.

joetama
04-05-2007, 01:14 PM
i believe its an introductory offer, but my local comcast people are pushovers. We've had the dish switchover price for the last 3 years.

Right on... Down here the TW people are total *****, and if you were supposed to get the introductory offer they probably would charge you double, just because they wanted to...

1loudsuv
04-05-2007, 02:48 PM
yah i pay $9 a month extra for hd programing. it includes like 17 channels. but if i wanted a dvr box it would be $5 more.

for $9 i think its worth it sometimes hdmov has movies that neither blu ray or hd-dvd have yet.

then i also have netflix which is $27 a month lol