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PV Audio
03-30-2007, 11:00 PM
Before I begin this, I should say that this is merely my personal adaptation of James Bang's idea, whose technique is based off fishface's idea. I find it the easiest way in the world to replicate the look of inset sides ONLY IF you have a table saw. If you don't, good luck not slicing your hand off. Furthermore, do not do what I do and begin carpeting while the box is drying, nor test it while the glue is wet either. I am only doing so for time's sake. If you have screws, it should be okay since they can hold the boards together until the glue dries, but they do NOT give any actual strength. Also, the port end should be rounded over in the box, which I decided not to do, also for time's sake. Now, onto the technique itself.

This design is for a HiVi D6G. Yes, it's a home audio speaker, yes it's hideous, and yes the box is too large. I've had four of them for a couple of years now, so I figure it's time to try one out as a subwoofer. They have great bass response, but require a shitload of power. I minus whale see how they do in a large enclosure, what harm could come from that? :)

Note that if you look at the selected designs in mah sig link, the way the panels are aligned is much different. For this technique, you MUST have the sides be the boards being screwed into. The only flaw in my technique is that you must use a .75" wide stick to recreate the same look on the other side. If you glue it properly, it will be fine. Built an enclosure this way for two 15" dreadnauts or juggernauts, (can't remember) about a year ago with no problems so far.

The rest of the build is coming in the next few posts.

PV Audio
03-30-2007, 11:06 PM
Now for the build itself:

The first thing to any successful box is good cuts. They don't have to be CNC machined cuts to 1/1000th of an inch, but good cuts that line up flush with one another.
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8683/IMG_0306.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1500/IMG_0302.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8493/IMG_0301.jpg

Now, take your two side panels, and make sure that they line up EXACTLY. The way that I ensure this is to cut all like measurements without moving the fence, and then go on with the other cuts. In this case, I cut all my 13.5s first, then did the rest. Again, the edges must be sharp and straight:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7365/IMG_0307.jpg

Okay, now is time to cut the recesses. Bring your sawblade down to about 1/8" height, and as close to the fence as possible (you will have to remove your splitter for this, make sure to replace it later though).

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7853/IMG_0308.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6177/IMG_0311.jpg

Okay, once you do that, rip off the excess that may remain, and take your razor to make the edges flush. Now it's time to assemble the box. You can do this however you want, but I was taught by a guy on diyaudio named vikash to build three unlike panels (bottom, rear and side) first, and then alternate so that you always have access to the inside until you put on the top. Clamp and screw the panels together with WOOD glue.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7922/IMG_0316.jpg

Make sure that all your panels are the same height otherwise you're in for some fun later on.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1042/IMG_0317.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7070/IMG_0320.jpg

PV Audio
03-30-2007, 11:09 PM
Okay, continue to assemble the enclosure.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7096/IMG_0325.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/929/IMG_0329.jpg

You can use a countersink bit if you want, but I just use the torque of my drill to make it work for me.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2331/IMG_329.jpg

As reminded by powernaudio, make sure to take a flathead screw driver and scrape all the excess glue from the grooves. Otherwise, if it dries in there, the carpet won't go in and you'll be shafted. Makes life a lot easier. Sand down the enclosure and you'll see how similar it looks to JB's and bjfish's boxes.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1553/IMG_0330.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4701/IMG_332.jpg

Only difference is that you don't need a router table and only need to use the router for anything but cutting out circles. I recommend either a straight bit or spiral upcut bit. I've used both, either is fine. This is what a SUC bit looks like.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1389/IMG_0332.jpg

importdude
03-30-2007, 11:11 PM
sweeet!
this has helped me even more than ever!
thx

PV Audio
03-30-2007, 11:17 PM
Alright, onto the carpeting part. You will need:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/663/IMG_0335.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2628/IMG_0336.jpg

Now, spray the sides of the enclosure with the glue and then the side of the carpet to be applied. MAKE SURE IT'S FLAT! Tuck the edges into the grooves and then cut off the excess by sliding the razor through the groove.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4425/IMG_0338.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6538/IMG_0337.jpg

Do that for both sides. Carpet the rest of the box by starting on the bottom, spraying the wood and the carpet. The key to a successful bond with spray adhesive is to wait ~30-40 seconds until the glue becomes tacky on both surfaces, THEN you put on the carpet and make sure it's flat. Wrap it around until you get to this:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2561/IMG_0340.jpg

The key here is to overlap the carpet, lay a straight edge down and cut through both layers. You're left with a clean seam. I won't post a pic of the seam since you can't see it and it looks like all the other sides. Now turn the box on its side and spray the edges and tuck the main carpet into the grooves.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4576/IMG_0344.jpg

Take your scissors and cut the corners so you have another clean seam.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1154/IMG_0345.jpg

Razor the grooves again, tuck in any stray bits into the grooves and repeat on both sides.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/892/IMG_0346.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2025/IMG_0348.jpg

PV Audio
03-30-2007, 11:22 PM
Now, cut out your holes and port.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5544/IMG_0350.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3326/IMG_0349.jpg

Vacuum the box and you're done!

Here she is with her big twin brothers and larger uncle.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3460/IMG_0355.jpg

Some general tips:

1. SAVE YOUR SAWDUST! It is invaluble for making your own wood putty and fillers. Just keep it in a bucket, mix with glue and water until you get a thick paste. Can be used on anything. Relatively free and color matches.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5884/IMG_0304.jpg

2. Use good tools. Most, if not all of my tools are rated as medium duty. This is suitable for what we're doing. Light duty is for homemakers putting picture frames up, and heavy duty works fine, but is usually quite expensive. Make sure that you use a clean razor blade for every box (makes a HUGE difference).

3. Last but most importantly, be SAFE. Work on a clean surface. You don't want to be sliding around on wood dust and DEFINITELY don't want to breathe in the dust. I have a permanent cough now from it. Thus, I never even plug in anything until I put on:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/7210/IMG_0334.jpg

Cheap, but effective enough. I'd also like to say that I really do NOT recommend doing this technique unless you've built boxes before. Not that it's difficult, but because when you are screwing into the sides, you have about 1/3 of the material to screw into. You need to make sure you get the screws dead into the meat of the wood, otherwise you'll either split it or it will protrude into the groove. Either way, it'll make it difficult.

That's it, questions and comments welcomed.

-Dave

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 12:08 AM
Just listened to it. Doesn't sound bad, and has the output I expected. Would be a bit better if I put two in the box, but can't change that now. :)

Immacomputer
03-31-2007, 12:20 AM
Looks really nice. Great tutorial for those of us who either don't have routers or don't like to use them. I never would have thought to do it like that!

Question though... what's your ethnicity?


Just listened to it. Doesn't sound bad, and has the output I expected. Would be a bit better if I put two in the box, but can't change that now. :)

Pfft... put one on top... DBB style.

bdawson72
03-31-2007, 12:24 AM
black?

SHiZNiLTi
03-31-2007, 12:26 AM
Looks Great!!!

pickup1
03-31-2007, 12:30 AM
great write up.

ngsm13
03-31-2007, 12:33 AM
OH EM GEEZ!!!

It's George Foreman.

nG

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 12:34 AM
Shut up noah :laugh:

Yes, I'm black btw.

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 12:35 AM
Looks really nice. Great tutorial for those of us who either don't have routers or don't like to use them. I never would have thought to do it like that!

Question though... what's your ethnicity?



Pfft... put one on top... DBB style.
Thanks. Yea, the only reason why I do it this way is because I hate using my router guide. It's annoying and the table saw makes something similar possible.

theCybe
03-31-2007, 12:38 AM
you can see bjfish's methods @ caraudiojunkyard; same idea, similar results.

awesome, peev. :)

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 12:40 AM
Fisher made a thread like this for his method. I merely adapted it since I don't like using my router if I'm just making a sub box. If it's a home speaker, then fine. If I want to sit there and take days to weeks on it, sure. Otherwise, I want it to be on the customer's doorstep ASAP.

req
03-31-2007, 12:44 AM
cool lemon.

and you made a thread that was worth my life :)

2 points.

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 12:46 AM
How's that military treatin ya?

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 11:26 AM
BTW, that spray glue is simply the red can **** you can get at lowes or home depot. I buy the little cans from parts express cause it's really cheap.

AVSTANG02
03-31-2007, 11:47 AM
As a noob someone that would have liked to follow that tutorial you left out a lot of details that make that tutorial useless for me....

but the box looks awsome.

rpfuror
03-31-2007, 12:19 PM
what's so difficult about it, I think it pretty straight forward... very basic.

good work BTW PV

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 02:27 PM
As a noob someone that would have liked to follow that tutorial you left out a lot of details that make that tutorial useless for me....

but the box looks awsome.
What did I leave out? You could have at least told me what it needs instead of just saying it's useless.

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 02:28 PM
what's so difficult about it, I think it pretty straight forward... very basic.

good work BTW PV
Yea, the only parts I left out were the final steps of actually building the box, but as I said, I don't recommend doing this unless you know how to drill into MDF without splitting it.

DeuceLee
03-31-2007, 02:51 PM
shaweeeeeeeeeet...!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gawd i can't wait till i get a fricken table saw...

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 03:07 PM
300 > all btw

And yes, a table saw makes all the difference when it comes to efficiency. Make sure that you get a GOOD one, not the cheapest one. They are not made equal and I had to buy the hitachi you see here after getting raped by a craftsman one.

DeuceLee
03-31-2007, 03:55 PM
300 > all btw

And yes, a table saw makes all the difference when it comes to efficiency. Make sure that you get a GOOD one, not the cheapest one. They are not made equal and I had to buy the hitachi you see here after getting raped by a craftsman one.

thanks bro...

i made a new thread about table saws...help if you can...

PowerNaudio
03-31-2007, 05:04 PM
pretty good tutorial bro. i like the presentation of the information, is very easy to understand and the pictures explains it all by them selfs.

thats exactly how i do all my carpeted enclosures. i figured most people used the same technique. since its so simple and you dont have to buy or use extra tool to do it.

one thing you have to keep in mind while you're assembling the enclosure is to clean up any glue that got into the grove. if you don't is going to be tricky to clean up after it has dried and if you don't clean it up the carpet will not go into the grove.

also here is an image of a jig i made to keep the blade from ever hitting the aluminum guide, its simple and very easy to make, and will keep your guide from getting damaged by the blade.
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/620185423.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4460629)

again great job on the tutorial.

DeuceLee
03-31-2007, 05:29 PM
pretty good tutorial bro. i like the presentation of the information, is very easy to understand and the pictures explains it all by them selfs.

thats exactly how i do all my carpeted enclosures. i figured most people used the same technique. since its so simple and you dont have to buy or use extra tool to do it.

one thing you have to keep in mind while you're assembling the enclosure is to clean up any glue that got into the grove. if you don't is going to be tricky to clean up after it has dried and if you don't clean it up the carpet will not go into the grove.

also here is an image of a jig i made to keep the blade from ever hitting the aluminum guide, its simple and very easy to make, and will keep your guide from getting damaged by the blade.
http://img1.putfile.com/main/1/620185423.jpg

again great job on the tutorial.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5181/clipimage002gs0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 08:10 PM
pretty good tutorial bro. i like the presentation of the information, is very easy to understand and the pictures explains it all by them selfs.

thats exactly how i do all my carpeted enclosures. i figured most people used the same technique. since its so simple and you dont have to buy or use extra tool to do it.

one thing you have to keep in mind while you're assembling the enclosure is to clean up any glue that got into the grove. if you don't is going to be tricky to clean up after it has dried and if you don't clean it up the carpet will not go into the grove.

also here is an image of a jig i made to keep the blade from ever hitting the aluminum guide, its simple and very easy to make, and will keep your guide from getting damaged by the blade.
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/620185423.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4460629)

again great job on the tutorial.
Mm, shoulda put that in there. Yeah take a flathead screwdriver and scrape out the glue when it's wet. I'll edit the post.

More details on your guide? If you can see in the pics, it took me a few tries my first time to not hit the fence. I just marked the width on the measuring tape now though.

And thanks for the compliments. :)

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 08:13 PM
Ohh, I think I get you. You just take a 90 degree bonded piece of MDF and clamp it to the fence to make sure that if it does indeed hit, it hits the wood and not the metal. That's so simple, it's brilliant. :)

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 08:19 PM
Also note that I used the wrong sawblade in the tutorial. It has too few teeth, and I only had it in there cause I was cutting PCBs for my new home audio project and forgot to change it back. Go with a 60 tooth blade and you won't get any saw lines like you see in the close up woodcut pic.

baseballer1100
03-31-2007, 08:19 PM
Nice write up.

PowerNaudio
03-31-2007, 08:19 PM
Ohh, I think I get you. You just take a 90 degree bonded piece of MDF and clamp it to the fence to make sure that if it does indeed hit, it hits the wood and not the metal. That's so simple, it's brilliant. :)

the jig is simple, its about 2" wide by 2" high by close to the depth of the table saw.
i used some scrap wood i had laying around. i glued the pieces and brad nailed them together. then clamp it to the table saw guide for safety reasons, then i adjust the depth, lock it in place and cut away.

Edit: i didn't see your other response where you figured the jig out. but ill leave it since it has simple dimensions on how to make it. lol

baseballer1100
03-31-2007, 08:20 PM
Also note that I used the wrong sawblade in the tutorial. It has too few teeth, and I only had it in there cause I was cutting PCBs for my new home audio project and forgot to change it back. Go with a 60 tooth blade and you won't get any saw lines like you see in the close up woodcut pic.

I have a blade like that and i dont get any saw lines...:cool:

PV Audio
03-31-2007, 08:30 PM
Is your blade dulled to hell and back from two years of non carbide tipped usage? :cool:

It's the miscellaneous blade. Use it for cutting through things that I don't want to use the diamond tipped blade for.

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 01:25 AM
the jig is simple, its about 2" wide by 2" high by close to the depth of the table saw.
i used some scrap wood i had laying around. i glued the pieces and brad nailed them together. then clamp it to the table saw guide for safety reasons, then i adjust the depth, lock it in place and cut away.

Edit: i didn't see your other response where you figured the jig out. but ill leave it since it has simple dimensions on how to make it. lolThx, Ima make me one so that I can just slap it up against my fence and not worry about it.

baseballer1100
04-01-2007, 01:27 AM
Is your blade dulled to hell and back from two years of non carbide tipped usage? :cool:

It's the miscellaneous blade. Use it for cutting through things that I don't want to use the diamond tipped blade for.

Its worse.

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 01:30 AM
Its worse.
It can't be worse because I've never seen wood burn or saw marks on your cuts. If your blade were dull, then that's the dead giveaway. ;)

baseballer1100
04-01-2007, 01:35 AM
ill show you pics tommorow of the blade.. The blade honestly *****. It has to be 5+ years old.

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 10:39 AM
These better be good. :laugh:

ballstothewall
04-01-2007, 01:20 PM
These better be good. :laugh:

The blade in our local home depot panel saw is worse I'll bet ya. :suicide:

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 01:25 PM
Those blades aren't really bad, they're just bend to hell and back. :)

krisfnbz
04-01-2007, 01:32 PM
Great build man, it was a pleasure reading this!

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 01:33 PM
Thanks! :)

btlking
04-01-2007, 01:46 PM
i think this should be stickied if its not already and good job by the way very helpful

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 02:05 PM
Thank you, but a pv audio thread will never be stickied. :)

krisfnbz
04-01-2007, 02:21 PM
Yeah it should be stickied. Lets have a vote and maybe a mod will consider it!

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 02:32 PM
But they won't :laugh:

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 04:44 PM
Oh, I should also mention that Titebond I is okay to use, but I recommend Titebond II. It's only about 50 cents more and the benefits are worth it. I only used T1 because this box was small enough to not worry about the extra strength.

baseballer1100
04-01-2007, 07:08 PM
T2 is amazing.

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 07:10 PM
8th wonder of the world right there.

THXdts
04-01-2007, 07:16 PM
How exactly do you make the paste?

phyphoestilic
04-01-2007, 07:18 PM
Thank you, but a pv audio thread will never be stickied. :)

I'll add it to my favorites. Better then a sticky :)

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 07:25 PM
What happened to "Fvck carpet! Turn off the d*mn lights !" ... ???Long gone my friend :(

fawd06
04-01-2007, 07:26 PM
what about tite bond 3?

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 07:28 PM
How exactly do you make the paste?
Very simple, in fact, I usually just mix it up in my hand. Just take some of the wood dust, mix it with either thick gluewash, or water and wood glue. Gluewash = diluted wood glue, kinda like the **** they gave you in kindergarten for gluing construction paper. Anyway, mix it up and keep adding gluewash until it's a thick paste. It should be creamy and have strong peaks. It should also have a yellow tint to it. Otherwise, you need more glue. Honestly, it's very easy to figure out once you start it.

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 07:30 PM
what about tite bond 3?I rarely use T3. Not because it's bad, but because it's unnecessary. The strength benefits between T1 and T2 are worth 50 cents. The benefits between T2 and T3 are NOT worth the dollars extra. Not only that, but T3 takes forever to fully cure. The only times I use T3 is when I'm making a home audio enclosure or speaker with plywood and am going to stain or accentuate it. The dark line formed from where the glue cures looks like a part of the plywood.

Immacomputer
04-01-2007, 07:50 PM
Are you sure there is a strength difference in T2 vs T1? I was under the impression that the only difference was that T2 was waterproof.

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 08:04 PM
Are you sure there is a strength difference in T2 vs T1? I was under the impression that the only difference was that T2 was waterproof.From a technical standpoint? Yes there is. Will you notice it? No, most likely not. The main reason I don't much like T1 is because it dries too quick. Not that it sets fast or anything, but the excess becomes all flaky and nasty which is hard to sand off. In this pic here:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1209/img0324xv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Note how the joint itself is still quite wet on the left, but even the tiniest excess is dried. What happens is it gets too smooth and doesn't sand off, you end up polishing it off instead. T2 shears away from the wood when it's still tacky which is far easier than something that dries within minutes. Personal preference of course, I've used basically all of the woodglues at lowes such as T(1,2,3), elmer's probond, elmer's carpenter, elmer's carpenter dark, loctite, and some old **** from my grandfather's garage. All work, but for the money, T2 and ProBond are the stand out winners for me.

baseballer1100
04-01-2007, 11:31 PM
Used this technique today. Amazing. Ok PV here is my pics of the blade.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r178/baseballer2030/CIMG1700.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r178/baseballer2030/CIMG1697.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r178/baseballer2030/CIMG1696.jpg

PV Audio
04-01-2007, 11:42 PM
**** the blade, show me pics of the box!

And yes, that ****er's horrible haha :laugh:

baseballer1100
04-01-2007, 11:51 PM
I just made some cuts. But in regards to the blade. It really doesnt matter because as soon as you cut mdf. The blade dulls. same with router bits. Ive used the same router bits on every box and so far havent had a problem same with the blade. That blade has been to hell and back we have put that thing through some hell. well here are the cuts.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r178/baseballer2030/CIMG1706.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r178/baseballer2030/CIMG1707.jpg

PV Audio
04-02-2007, 12:09 AM
I can't tell for sure, but just by looking at what you posted, it seems as though your groove will be a little too narrow. I don't know for sure though. I always aim for 3/16 to 5/32 or so. Below 1/4", but a little wider than 1/8".

baseballer1100
04-02-2007, 12:13 AM
hmmm... Ill check it out.Its about the width of the blade and a little.

PV Audio
04-02-2007, 05:38 PM
Update?

baseballer1100
04-02-2007, 07:06 PM
from who?

iamamp3pimp
04-02-2007, 07:21 PM
Very simple, in fact, I usually just mix it up in my hand. Just take some of the wood dust, mix it with either thick gluewash, or water and wood glue. Gluewash = diluted wood glue, kinda like the **** they gave you in kindergarten for gluing construction paper. Anyway, mix it up and keep adding gluewash until it's a thick paste. It should be creamy and have strong peaks. It should also have a yellow tint to it. Otherwise, you need more glue. Honestly, it's very easy to figure out once you start it.

TOld you paste was good

;)

baseballer1100
04-02-2007, 08:21 PM
What is this paste used for?

PV Audio
04-02-2007, 08:59 PM
TOld you paste was good

;)...You did? I first used that on my computer speakers, which I made over a year ago.

PV Audio
04-02-2007, 08:59 PM
What is this paste used for?
It's for wood filler that color matches.

And yes, the update was from you. How'd the box turn out?

baseballer1100
04-02-2007, 09:01 PM
Its still in the makings. Between cutting grass/ landscaping/School and the ******** teachers that cram everything/baseball its hard to get it all done.

PV Audio
04-02-2007, 09:01 PM
OH even more important reason tno save your sawdust: spills. I knocked over an entire can of mahogany stain on my garage floor, laid down sawdust to keep it form spreading, then put it on the liquid itself. Sweep it up and throw it away, no towels needed.

baseballer1100
04-02-2007, 09:05 PM
OH even more important reason tno save your sawdust: spills. I knocked over an entire can of mahogany stain on my garage floor, laid down sawdust to keep it form spreading, then put it on the liquid itself. Sweep it up and throw it away, no towels needed.

Yeah works with dog **** too.

Immacomputer
04-02-2007, 09:28 PM
....and child vomit.

PV Audio
04-02-2007, 09:53 PM
True, but the likelihood of a kid randomly yakking in your garage is kinda low :(

baseballer1100
04-02-2007, 10:55 PM
lol. true. here is where all my dog **** comes from.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r178/baseballer2030/Dogs.jpg

azbass
04-02-2007, 11:01 PM
zomg your black?

PV Audio
04-02-2007, 11:23 PM
You knew that.

azbass
04-02-2007, 11:24 PM
werd yo

PV Audio
04-02-2007, 11:26 PM
Lol ok

Omarvelous
04-03-2007, 05:09 PM
Surprised this wasn't stickied yet.

PV Audio
04-03-2007, 05:51 PM
More like, you'll be surprised if it is ever stickied. :laugh:

krisfnbz
04-03-2007, 11:36 PM
Sticky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Keep wishing :laugh:

Sweet dogs BTW baseballer.

k12ug
04-04-2007, 08:58 PM
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4576/IMG_0344.jpg

that is what i dont under stand....if you end up covering the other end...and end on the other end...

on the four outer sides....wont there be tons of extra cloth?

what do you do with this cloth....if there is any? lol

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 09:01 PM
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4576/IMG_0344.jpg

that is what i dont under stand....if you end up covering the other end...and end on the other end...

on the four outer sides....wont there be tons of extra cloth?

what do you do with this cloth....if there is any? lol

The dark grey carpet is from the main part of the box. You take the excess, pinch it at the corners, and tuck it into the groove as shown. You then merely cut off the excess. So yes, there is a lot of extra cloth being cut off if that's what you mean.

k12ug
04-04-2007, 09:03 PM
The dark grey carpet is from the main part of the box. You take the excess, pinch it at the corners, and tuck it into the groove as shown. You then merely cut off the excess. So yes, there is a lot of extra cloth being cut off if that's what you mean.


i see that....im talking about one the SIDES not the edges.

the four sides of the box....not the back and not the front..lol
the other ones

is there excess cloth there? if not how?

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 09:06 PM
i see that....im talking about one the SIDES not the edges.

the four sides of the box....not the back and not the front..lol
the other ones

is there excess cloth there? if not how?I'm sorry man, I really don't understand what you're asking me. If you could point it out in MSPaint or something, I might be able to help you out. If you are talking about four sides but not the front or back, you're talking about the two light grey panels and the top and bottom? :confused:

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 09:08 PM
This is another box I did a few weeks ago, maybe looking at this image will help you show me what you're asking.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1281/img0439oi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

k12ug
04-04-2007, 09:11 PM
I'm sorry man, I really don't understand what you're asking me. If you could point it out in MSPaint or something, I might be able to help you out. If you are talking about four sides but not the front or back, you're talking about the two light grey panels and the top and bottom? :confused:

lets say i wanted to carpet this ugly beast....
http://i11.tinypic.com/3z7487o.jpg
and when i get to this fold..there is ton of excess "carpet"
http://i5.tinypic.com/2yoygbl.jpg

ive got to be doing it wrong....

krisfnbz
04-04-2007, 09:11 PM
thats a nice box as well!

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 09:16 PM
lets say i wanted to carpet this ugly beast....
http://i11.tinypic.com/3z7487o.jpg
and when i get to this fold..there is ton of excess "carpet"
http://i5.tinypic.com/2yoygbl.jpg

ive got to be doing it wrong....
...I have no idea as to what you did there. :(

This is the easiest way I can describe to do this carpeting technique. Take a tissuebox, cut out squares of paper that are the size of the ends (the SMALLEST rectangles). Then, wrap paper all around the main part, and then trim off the edges. Same concept here, but you're tucking it into grooves instead. You have three separate pieces of carpet (two identical sides, and the main piece).

k12ug
04-04-2007, 09:20 PM
...I have no idea as to what you did there. :(

This is the easiest way I can describe to do this carpeting technique. Take a tissuebox, cut out squares of paper that are the size of the ends (the SMALLEST rectangles). Then, wrap paper all around the main part, and then trim off the edges. Same concept here, but you're tucking it into grooves instead. You have three separate pieces of carpet (two identical sides, and the main piece).

oh!!!!

so you tuck two sides correct?

like....2 light gray ( 2 carpets)
and 4 dark gray (one carpet)
*color coding it*

i hope im right :)????????

UndercoverPunk
04-04-2007, 09:20 PM
Where the hell is mike? What a slacker.

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 09:22 PM
oh!!!!

so you tuck two sides correct?

like....2 light gray ( 2 carpets)
and 4 dark gray (one carpet)
*color coding it*

i hope im right :)????????Yes, the four main sides of the box are all one piece of carpet. Hope that's what you're asking :crap:

k12ug
04-04-2007, 09:24 PM
Yes, the four main sides of the box are all one piece of carpet. Hope that's what you're asking :crap:


not what i was asking...but its what i needed to hear...thank you.

and when that one main part of carpet comes together, do i just overlap a lil? or cut close to it as possible?

k12ug
04-04-2007, 09:25 PM
Yes, the four main sides of the box are all one piece of carpet. Hope that's what you're asking :crap:


quote me for your 16,000!!!!!!!
:)
lol

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 09:31 PM
not what i was asking...but its what i needed to hear...thank you.

and when that one main part of carpet comes together, do i just overlap a lil? or cut close to it as possible?
When the main part comes together on the bottom, you overlap the carpet a few inches. You then lay down a straight edge (carpenter's angle in my case) across the entire width of the box. You then want to run the razor along the straight edge through BOTH pieces of carpeting. That way, you will cut off the open end, and cut through the already glued portion, so that when you peel off the glued portion, you have a perfect seam. That's the most difficult thing to illustrate since you can't see the seam.

k12ug
04-04-2007, 09:35 PM
When the main part comes together on the bottom, you overlap the carpet a few inches. You then lay down a straight edge (carpenter's angle in my case) across the entire width of the box. You then want to run the razor along the straight edge through BOTH pieces of carpeting. That way, you will cut off the open end, and cut through the already glued portion, so that when you peel off the glued portion, you have a perfect seam. That's the most difficult thing to illustrate since you can't see the seam.

how does it feel to have posted 16,000 times?
thanks man

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 09:40 PM
No problem. :)

Lol, I'm not even in the top 10 of posters here though.

k12ug
04-04-2007, 09:43 PM
No problem. :)

Lol, I'm not even in the top 10 of posters here though.

you just need 1000 more.
haha

but sry...i dont wana ruin your thread.

on topic

PV Audio
04-04-2007, 10:10 PM
thats a nice box as well!Thank you. :)

krisfnbz
04-06-2007, 09:07 AM
I wish I had an amp that did 16,000 rms... I would sh*t myself!

PV Audio
04-06-2007, 10:52 AM
Uhh, what?

baseballer1100
04-06-2007, 12:05 PM
Random?

DeuceLee
04-06-2007, 03:55 PM
screw it if its not getting stickied then...

i'll just put this thread on my favorites list :cool:

i'd suggest ya'lls do the same...

baseballer1100
04-08-2007, 03:45 PM
Ttt

danteBirosel
04-09-2007, 04:01 AM
Hey Dave,

If you don't mind, i'll be adding your tutorial to the Car Audio Junkyard Knowledge Base. :D It will always be there and great reference for the newbies. :)

I will place it under the Intermediate Tutorial section. And don't worry, we will credit you for the great tutorial. ;)

http://www.caraudiojunkyard.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=56

Stay tune!!!

PV Audio
04-09-2007, 08:07 AM
Thanks inferno. :)

krisfnbz
04-09-2007, 11:35 AM
Hey you didnt get stickied on this site... but still get recognition!! :)

PV Audio
04-11-2007, 08:37 AM
Thanks. :)

PV Audio
04-17-2007, 08:02 PM
Seen some threads lately, thought this could use some love. :)

baseballer1100
04-17-2007, 10:46 PM
Im giving it love now...

danteBirosel
04-17-2007, 10:47 PM
This tutorial will be added to the www.caraudiojunkyard.com knowledge base tonight. :)

iamamp3pimp
04-17-2007, 10:52 PM
/me agrees

PV Audio
04-17-2007, 11:02 PM
Dante, your name sounds like some newscaster, know who I'm talkin about?

baseballer1100
04-17-2007, 11:03 PM
No.

danteBirosel
04-17-2007, 11:27 PM
Tutorial has been added. :D


http://www.caraudiojunkyard.com/forum/tutorials/997-complex-pv-audios-carpeting-box-build-technique.html

DeuceLee
04-18-2007, 08:32 AM
that tutorial is flawless...

ofcourse its slightly not as good of a technique (strong of a hold) as fishfaces but ALOT less work with/out the router table so i actually like this better...ofcourse fish can enjoy the economies of scale since he has everything set up already...

also:

PV Audio's Carpeting > eD's Carpeting technique (http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/elementaldesigns_carpet1.php) by 420%

PV Audio
04-18-2007, 05:00 PM
I appreciate the comments, but I'd appreciate it more if someone would try it out!

PV Audio
04-18-2007, 05:01 PM
:uhoh: That eD tutorial is horrible, it only works if you have a huge roll of carpet like they do.

PV Audio
04-18-2007, 05:02 PM
Let alone the **** carpet is next to white now from all the dust he's grinding into the fibers.

PowerNaudio
04-18-2007, 05:41 PM
the ed tutorial is pretty much the basic carpeting technique, and the one that pvaudio have illustrated in his tutorial is a more advanced technique, where you can create the dual carpet tone look.
they are both widely used in the car audio seen and nether is really better then the other.
depending on the particular goal for the final product look one technique will be used rather then the other.
when you're in business to make money, you use the fasted technique that will get you the results you need.
if you're going for the one tone carpet look. then use the simplee carpeting technique to get the job done since is faster, and looks good.
if you're going for the two tone technique then use the recessed cut on the sides technique, which will allow for the use of two carpet tones and enhance the look of it as well.
all these techniques have been around for a long time. and if you look closely to the builders carpeted enclosures, you'll notice that they have been implemented for a long time. and that none of them have been invented by them or resently. you just use what ever technique applies for that particular enclosure and call it a day.

DeuceLee
04-18-2007, 06:50 PM
the ed tutorial is pretty much the basic carpeting technique, and the one that pvaudio have illustrated in his tutorial is a more advanced technique, where you can create the dual carpet tone look.
they are both widely used in the car audio seen and nether is really better then the other.
depending on the particular goal for the final product look one technique will be used rather then the other.
when you're in business to make money, you use the fasted technique that will get you the results you need.
if you're going for the one tone carpet look. then use the simplee carpeting technique to get the job done since is faster, and looks good.
if you're going for the two tone technique then use the recessed cut on the sides technique, which will allow for the use of two carpet tones and enhance the look of it as well.
all these techniques have been around for a long time. and if you look closely to the builders carpeted enclosures, you'll notice that they have been implemented for a long time. and that none of them have been invented by them or resently. you just use what ever technique applies for that particular enclosure and call it a day.

i don't disagree with most of what you've said...

honestly i think if you have a table saw, doing what PV did looks 10x better then the standard technique of making a big X on the side of the box, even if you're not using a two tone set up...i know if done the X cut method, it can look right and you can barely notice that there was a cut on the side of the box...but the tuck in method just looks much cleaner and i don't think its any harder...

i'm sure many people have done this before, i think most people and myself just want to thank and appreciate the fact that PV spent his time showing the little steps of doing this, even if its not rock science, some people like myself are not hard core folks who breath car audio and may have not thought of this simple but excellent technique...

ofcourse i've done something similar to this technique already but not this efficiently...and i never thought about using those drywall putty sticks until seeing PV using it...i went out and bought myself one :D

and PV, i'll be doing your technique for at least 4 boxes this summer :naughty:

i'll be displaying them off here ofcourse...

PV Audio
04-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Powernaudio, I didn't say the technique is bad (It is what I learned and still use it), the tutorial isn't good. That isn't me being arrogant, but the guy is showing the method using circumstances that nearly anyone learning to carpet a box would be without.

johnson
05-01-2007, 03:34 PM
Is there a way around carpeting the port side without having to add a 3/4" piece?

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m127/johnson_n/carpetbox.png

PV Audio
05-02-2007, 05:18 PM
You can leave that side without a complete rectangle, yes. Fisher does that on his boxes.

johnson
05-02-2007, 05:57 PM
what?

saj21187
05-02-2007, 06:59 PM
Hey sorry if this has been asked already, but what type of carpet do you use/have the best luck with. Im looking for an easy to work with very dark or black carpet. Im building a box here in a week and am gonna try and use your technique. Great write up, you might have a pm or two coming your way if i get hung up on anything :)

johnson
05-03-2007, 12:01 PM
I like the padded ones.

jmanpc
07-16-2007, 09:58 PM
Just wanted to say thanks for the carpeting tutorial. It works fantasticly!

PV Audio
09-09-2007, 01:38 PM
Anyone else try this out? I just used it last week on my new dorm sub (which is going to be scrapped because I'm running the plate amp and half the impedance it wants, but I digress):

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3520/img1030yk0.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2970/img1031jo4.jpg

And no, the wood isn't bent, it's the filter I forgot to take off the camera.

Twistid
09-09-2007, 01:43 PM
what is that? a diy kit from partsexpress or something?

PV Audio
09-09-2007, 01:44 PM
A diy kit from PV Audio lol. Two tangband 5.25" subs with a 70watt plate amp. The limits are far too low, so instead of popping in two more, I'm just going to get a 10" like I should have done initially.

PV Audio
12-16-2009, 10:20 PM
Since I've been getting some questions about this, I figure I'll bump it up to help any new members wanting to learn how to carpet :).