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88irocZ
03-27-2007, 02:15 PM
well i have 4x6's in the front and 6x9's in the rear of my camaro im thinking about changing to a 5" speaker set for the rear and adding a 5.25 component system in the front at the kick panels also i want to make an amp rack in the back for the amps and have 2 8" subs facing forward. here is the setup i was thinking about let me know what you think good or bad and suggestions would help b/c i know yall know alot more about this stuff than i do. im planing on running the 8" subs and component system through the ap1040 amp and the 4x6 and 5" rears run through the h/u power. then the infinity kappa 12 run off the ap1000 what do you guys think of this setup?

4x6= audiobahn AS46Q http://www.millionbuy.com/adbas46q.html or infinity 6412cf http://www.millionbuy.com/inf6412cf.html

5" rear speaks= phoenix gold r5.0 http://www.millionbuy.com/phgr50comp.html

5.25 component speaks= infinity ref. 5010cs http://www.millionbuy.com/inf5010cs.html or alpine spr13s http://www.millionbuy.com/apnspr13s.html not sure on these yet.

two small 8" subs in the rear facing forward for midbass= rockford fosgate rfz3408 http://www.millionbuy.com/rocrfz3408.html

subwoofer= infinity kappa perfect 12

amp for comps and 8"s= profile ap1040 http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1040.html

sub amp= profile ap1000 http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1000.html

i just got the links from the same site to make it a little easier and these prices seem to be the lowest maybe if i get em all from the same place ill save money on shipping.

alxmlr789
03-27-2007, 02:19 PM
looks good..specially that sub..

You want an amp to along with it though?

88irocZ
03-27-2007, 02:24 PM
looks good..specially that sub..

You want an amp to along with it though?

naw i want to run matching amps b/c im going to be showing the car and want to keep it clean and neat and all matching

heres a pic of my setup now... dont mind the phone and screwdriver though.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/maoon88iroc/IMG_0003.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/maoon88iroc/IMG_0005.jpg

DejaWiz
03-27-2007, 02:39 PM
Why not just run fronts and forget the rear fill for an SQ setup?

I know some people like rear fill, but have you ever tried to image and soundstage your system with only fronts? Makes a world of difference for the better, IMO.

Are you at all able to put 6.5" comps up front?

88irocZ
03-27-2007, 04:11 PM
Why not just run fronts and forget the rear fill for an SQ setup?

I know some people like rear fill, but have you ever tried to image and soundstage your system with only fronts? Makes a world of difference for the better, IMO.

Are you at all able to put 6.5" comps up front?

6.5 is an option i mean i havent made the kickpanels yet but i have a manual swap that im putting in my car this summer and i want to take away the least amount of space down there as possible its fine down there right now but i dont want to be kicking a speaker when i go to change gears either.

so you dont think i should run rear fill at all? you dont think i should use the 8's or the 5" phoenix audio speaks and tweets either? i mean you tell me you probably know more about this than me ive never had a SQ setup but i want to be blown away you know. like crystal clear music and loud. i figured the 8's in the back would help some with the midbass since im going to be using a 12" SQ oriented speaker so the 8's possibly could hit the tighter crisper beats.


what do you think about the speaker selection?

DejaWiz
03-27-2007, 04:36 PM
1. 6.5 is an option i mean i havent made the kickpanels yet but i have a manual swap that im putting in my car this summer and i want to take away the least amount of space down there as possible its fine down there right now but i dont want to be kicking a speaker when i go to change gears either.

2. so you dont think i should run rear fill at all? you dont think i should use the 8's or the 5" phoenix audio speaks and tweets either? i mean you tell me you probably know more about this than me ive never had a SQ setup but i want to be blown away you know. like crystal clear music and loud. i figured the 8's in the back would help some with the midbass since im going to be using a 12" SQ oriented speaker so the 8's possibly could hit the tighter crisper beats.


3. what do you think about the speaker selection?

I'll try to answer these as best I can...

1. Kicks would be ideal, but is there any way you might be able to mount the 6.5 mids in the doors and then the tweets in door, a-pillar, or dash pods? That way you won't have to worry about putting your clutch foot down.

2. A very good SQ setup should be imaged so that (to put it as simple as I can) you can close your eyes and draw a mental picture of where everyone is positioned on the stage in front of you. Add rear fill to that, and the stage gets pulled behind you, destroying the soundstage and imaging.

3. Not bad, but I would choose Crystal SSCS6's or some Rainbow SLC265 Kicks and amp them very adequately....150-200WPC for the Crystals and 100-150WPC for the Rainbows (there have been some people here amping the Crystals by as much as 250WPC or more). Both are very heavy on the midbass.

Hintzyboy
03-27-2007, 04:37 PM
There is NO reason to use rear fill in a Camaro. The space is so small, it would just cause trouble Tell us what your total budget is and we can help out better. You shouldn't need much equipment to fulfill your needs. Single sub, a set of good comps, and the amps to go along with them should be all you need.

Hintzyboy
03-27-2007, 04:39 PM
And I don't think it would be a bad idea to sell off your stuff and just start from scratch.

DejaWiz
03-27-2007, 04:45 PM
And I don't think it would be a bad idea to sell off your stuff and just start from scratch.

Werd up. And stay away from Audiobahn. Da prittie blingbling =/= sounds good.*

:veryhapp:



*For those of you not versed in netbonics, that means their products totally **** for SQ.

Hintzyboy
03-27-2007, 05:33 PM
Werd up. And stay away from Audiobahn. Da prittie blingbling =/= sounds good.*

:veryhapp:



*For those of you not versed in netbonics, that means their products totally **** for SQ.

Not everything they make *****. They have a couple amps out there that I've heard decent things about (like the A8000T I just sold to MisterGrubbs). But I would agree that you should generally stay away from most of their products, especially for SQ.

88irocZ
03-27-2007, 11:03 PM
There is NO reason to use rear fill in a Camaro. The space is so small, it would just cause trouble Tell us what your total budget is and we can help out better. You shouldn't need much equipment to fulfill your needs. Single sub, a set of good comps, and the amps to go along with them should be all you need.


well my budget is cheap i want good good equipment but unfortunately i am cheap. but if im not going to be using any rear speaks then i guess i can spend a little more on the components and amp, i would like to stay under $250 on the component set and amp to power them, i was looking at the profile b/c it is in my range and i have used their products b4 with success and it would look good with the two amps matching.

i dont really want to put the component speaks on the door but it is a possibility i just hate how it looks, i used to have tweets in the apillers but took them out b/c i put in a dual gauge pod...

i am selling all of my equipment actually, my subs were sold today and so was my box i just need to find a good home for my BARELY used ap2000

i appreciate yall helping me with this i would have just posted my price range and said yall tell me what to run but i would have got.... :rolleyes: and no answers.

you guys think just the 4x6's and components and rear sub would be a good SQ system? i understand what you guys are saying about the concert thing but to me it would sound weird with no rear fill?

Platestacker45
03-27-2007, 11:12 PM
im going to be showing the car and want to keep it clean and neat

And your using the cheapest equipment you can't find? If I were to see a nice car and looked inside to see $30 speakers and $80 amps... I would shake my head and laugh. Thats like seeing your Iroc all nice and modded out on the outside and poping the hood and seeing a small little dirty stock V6. :crap:

88irocZ
03-27-2007, 11:19 PM
And your using the cheapest equipment you can't find? If I were to see a nice car and looked inside to see $30 speakers and $80 amps... I would shake my head and laugh. Thats like seeing your Iroc all nice and modded out on the outside and poping the hood and seeing a small little dirty stock V6. :crap:

yes but not everyone is into car audio.... have of the judges or spectators dont even know what any of it is.. im just looking for something that sounds good and i think the way im going to do it will sound good but that is what i posted this thread for to get input on my selection. im not trying to be rude but do you have any input on this thread besides you think that my selection involves cheap equipment? what would you recomend and why do you call them cheap do you have any expirience with this equipment?

budahbuddy803
03-27-2007, 11:23 PM
naw i want to run matching amps b/c im going to be showing the car and want to keep it clean and neat and all matching

heres a pic of my setup now... dont mind the phone and screwdriver though.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/maoon88iroc/IMG_0003.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/maoon88iroc/IMG_0005.jpg

i must be missing something because those dont look like infinity kapa perfects which is what you named

88irocZ
03-27-2007, 11:30 PM
i must be missing something because those dont look like infinity kapa perfects which is what you named


you are correct those subs picture are 10" kicker cvr's i just bout a 12" kappa perfect sub to replace these cvr's. i never said I had the kappa but i was working out the deal with alxmlr789 to get it and i just bought it tonight so that is on the way now as well i still have everything else left to get.

DBfan187
03-27-2007, 11:30 PM
Use that AP2000 on your fronts, it's got a lot of power.;)

If not, sell it to me cheap. :)

Platestacker45
03-27-2007, 11:39 PM
yes but not everyone is into car audio.... have of the judges or spectators dont even know what any of it is.. im just looking for something that sounds good and i think the way im going to do it will sound good but that is what i posted this thread for to get input on my selection. im not trying to be rude but do you have any input on this thread besides you think that my selection involves cheap equipment? what would you recomend and why do you call them cheap do you have any expirience with this equipment?

Do I have any input? Isen't that what your looking for? You made a thread about some equipment and wanted some comments, so I gave you one. I'm sorry if you don't like it. And I call them cheap because they are $30 dollars a set. Thats pretty cheap if thats all your putting in your show car. I don't have experience with those actual models, do you? I've heard AudioBahn and similer wallmart brand stuff and woulden't have them in MY show car.

88irocZ
03-27-2007, 11:43 PM
Do I have any input? Isen't that what your looking for? You made a thread about some equipment and wanted some comments, so I gave you one. I'm sorry if you don't like it. And I call them cheap because they are $30 dollars a set. Thats pretty cheap if thats all your putting in your show car. I don't have experience with those actual models, do you? I've heard AudioBahn and similer wallmart brand stuff and woulden't have them in MY show car.

yes they are cheap speakers but i only picked those b/c they would be ran off the h/u power... the front components and amps and sub is what i was mainly worried about. i appreciate your comments though.

Platestacker45
03-27-2007, 11:44 PM
Do NOT listen to him. . . . he's the bad sheep of ca.com . . . . he doesnt know what good sounds like and he consistently talks about how "loud" his car is and how he can "drown people from a mile away" to be exact in his own words. . his 142.xx is NOTHING impressive to be bragging about like he talks about. He doesnt know much about car audio period either, he's afraid to check his own CONNECTIONS.

Enjoy your stuff, I am a fellow camaro owner and I love mine. If you like how it sounds thats all that matters.

You are so far off from reality I don't know what to say. I said 1/4 mile away as to express how much louder mine is and how I will drown you out, no dought about it. And I hit a 144 on the New Termlab with 2 $170 12" Mofo's that every says aren't loud with about 500 watts a piece to them. That was in a 30hz box that was designed to do very poorly on the meter! You sure know how to make an *** out of urself kid! And you say as long as he likes it, thats all that matters!?!? Its a show car!!! Ment for show to other people! Wheew buddy! You make me giggle! :laugh:

j3bus2k3
03-27-2007, 11:49 PM
While I do have a general dislike towards platestacker, he is right on this account. To have "sound quality" and to list the specific equipment you have is an oxymoron in itself. Invest in better equipment, end of story. Personally, I'd keep those 2 10" CVR's, and run a set of middle-line DLS, CDT, MB Quart, or Diamond comps off some clean power...

88irocZ
03-27-2007, 11:49 PM
You are so far off from reality I don't know what to say. I said 1/4 mile away as to express how much louder mine is and how I will drown you out, no dought about it. And I hit a 144 on the New Termlab with 2 $170 12" Mofo's that every says aren't loud with about 500 watts a piece to them. That was in a 30hz box that was designed to do very poorly on the meter! You sure know how to make an *** out of urself kid! And you say as long as he likes it, thats all that matters! Its a show car!!! Ment for show to other people! You make me giggle! :laugh:


dont do all that in my thread please i want to keep this clean and on topic... :rolleyes:

Hintzyboy
03-27-2007, 11:57 PM
Honestly, there is no need for rear fill in such a small environment. It will have no benefits for your listening experience up front, and a well-installed front stage will be more than enough for the occasional rear passenger.

Trust me, you'll like it better.

I would save up a little more before you start looking for stuff, because your options open up drastically when you get into the $200 range for components. However, if you must go with the budget you have now, Phoenix Gold RSD components can be had pretty cheap and I have seen some good reviews on them.

A PG RSD sub would be nice too. Very nice woofer for around $100. Amps are really the hardest part of the system to find cheap. You can go with the Profiles to match if necessary, but you'll get better quality from some of the used stuff in the classifieds.

Bottom Line: Bringing it all in within your budget is possible, but not easy. A little more cash will open up a lot mor possibilities for you.

Hintzyboy
03-28-2007, 12:01 AM
dont do all that in my thread please i want to keep this clean and on topic... :rolleyes:

Nothing Platestacker does is clean. He knows absolutely nothing about SQ, and apparently not much about SPL if he thinks his car is so **** loud.

Platestacker45
03-28-2007, 12:01 AM
dont do all that in my thread please i want to keep this clean and on topic... :rolleyes:

As always, Im not the one that started the **** talking acting like a little jealous baby. I hate when people start dumping like he did. But there are quite a lot of speakers and comps you can grab for around that same price and still use those Profiles to amp them. Power Acoustik also has great Mid/High amps for cheap that look pretty cool for a show car as well. I would stay away from the mainstream stuff that you can buy at Circutcity or BB. I would think people would like to see something that you can't buy in stores for really cheap, in a showcar. And when you turn them on they are pretty loud and sound good too.

88irocZ
03-28-2007, 08:32 AM
i can do $200 for the components what are my options? will the profile amp be ok for powering them or should i be looking into something different?

DejaWiz
03-28-2007, 09:22 AM
How about for comps:
Phoenix Gold RSd6cs (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17541) or RSd65cs (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17540)

And for the amp (in this order is what I'd choose):
PG Xenon X100.2 (http://sonicelectronix.com/item_2740_Phoenix+Gold+Xenon+X100.2.html)
Blaupunkt Velocity VA2200 (http://sonicelectronix.com/item_6754_Blaupunkt+VA2200.html)
TMA T4002 (http://sonicelectronix.com/item_8274_TOTAL+Mobile+Audio+TMA+T4002.html)
Pioneer GM-5300T (http://sonicelectronix.com/item_8522_Pioneer+GM-5300T.html)
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Platestacker45
03-28-2007, 12:49 PM
i can do $200 for the components what are my options? will the profile amp be ok for powering them or should i be looking into something different?

Like I said, those profiles are great for power mids/highs and small substages for cheap. Look into the new Power Acoustik Gothic and Power series for good quality amps for a good price also. Phoenix Gold also makes some good 4 channels for cheap.

88irocZ
03-28-2007, 01:35 PM
those amps are alot more power than the components are rated at, how much power should i be sending the components?

do you have a link to some reviews for those phoenix gold components? i am just worried they arent going to be the best quality i can get for the money but i dont have never heard them have you?

DejaWiz
03-28-2007, 01:48 PM
those amps are alot more power than the components are rated at, how much power should i be sending the components?

do you have a link to some reviews for those phoenix gold components? i am just worried they arent going to be the best quality i can get for the money but i dont have never heard them have you?

Set the gains a little low and the amps will perform beautifully with those comps.

As for the RSD reviews:
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6342&highlight=spx-177r
http://www.soundbuggy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4280
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3543&highlight=RSd (5.25")

from: http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86260&postcount=3

88irocZ
03-28-2007, 02:26 PM
should i get some 4x6's also or just run the components and the sub? the pg is what you would reccomend? these would do better than the type r's and the polk momo's or the infinity's?

DejaWiz
03-28-2007, 02:37 PM
No 4x6's. Just run subs and fronts and if you take the time to tune everything properly, it's very likely you won't even miss having rears. And if you do, then you can always add them later.

MOMO's = very solid midbass, but not harsh or attacking. Highs are slightly harsh but tolerable.
TYPE R's = very clear set all around. Midbass is slightly less than the MOMO's, but very detailed.
INFINITY's = about the same as the MOMO's but with slightly harsher highs.
RSd's = the reviews are very promising, but I have not personally heard them.

And I would defnintely recommend the Xenon amp above all else.

MTXman
03-28-2007, 02:55 PM
I have two PG RSD12D's they sound great and get LOUD. I would def. recommend them for an SQ/SQL setup.

Hintzyboy
03-28-2007, 04:44 PM
No 4x6's. Just run subs and fronts and if you take the time to tune everything properly, it's very likely you won't even miss having rears. And if you do, then you can always add them later.

MOMO's = very solid midbass, but not harsh or attacking. Highs are slightly harsh but tolerable.
TYPE R's = very clear set all around. Midbass is slightly less than the MOMO's, but very detailed.
INFINITY's = about the same as the MOMO's but with slightly harsher highs.
RSd's = the reviews are very promising, but I have not personally heard them.

And I would defnintely recommend the Xenon amp above all else.

I agree with the no 4x6s. The Type R comps I heard completely ******. Haven't heard MOMOs, and have heard things about the Infinity's being a bit harsh as well. I've seen good reviews on the RSDs. Might consider some Crystals or some entry-level CDTs. There are dozens of threads on $200 comps, so a search should yield a plethora of results.

On the amps, I would look for a good used one in the classifieds before I bought the Profile. I have a Memphis ST2004 that will do around 150w x 2 bridged. Sell it to you for $100 shipped. There are a lot of good used amps out there, so look around.

Hintzyboy
03-28-2007, 04:47 PM
Look through these threads

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1933154

DejaWiz
03-28-2007, 04:47 PM
1. I have a Memphis ST2004 that will do around 150w x 2 bridged. Sell it to you for $100 shipped.

2. There are a lot of good used amps out there, so look around.

1. Oh man the OP just scored a deal!

2. Agreed.

DBfan187
03-28-2007, 07:06 PM
Dude, your AP2000 amp is rated for 320 x 2 @ 4ohms, use it!

Justintoxicated
03-28-2007, 09:07 PM
sub amp (ap1000) does not have much rated power. Maybe look for a used AA 12" Assassin or Arsenal, they sound Really good sealed and they are cheap.

Comps DLS MS6 would be a nice middle line set with a nice A/B class amp to power them. I would not use a cheap Class D to power them.

88irocZ
03-29-2007, 08:40 AM
how much airspace do these components need, im thinking about putting them in the doors so i can face them up more but there isnt much room behind my door panel.

i think im going to get the pg's i bought a 12.1 infinity kappa so that is on the way im going to run the comps off my amp now for the meantime untill i can find a good used amp in my price range.

DejaWiz
03-29-2007, 09:14 AM
how much airspace do these components need, im thinking about putting them in the doors so i can face them up more but there isnt much room behind my door panel.

i think im going to get the pg's i bought a 12.1 infinity kappa so that is on the way im going to run the comps off my amp now for the meantime untill i can find a good used amp in my price range.

They are designed to work with any amount of airspace. From the reviews I've read, you don't need to completely seal the doors for them to perform well.

///M5
03-30-2007, 03:01 PM
well i have 4x6's in the front and 6x9's in the rear of my camaro im thinking about changing to a 5" speaker set for the rear and adding a 5.25 component system in the front at the kick panels also i want to make an amp rack in the back for the amps and have 2 8" subs facing forward. here is the setup i was thinking about let me know what you think good or bad and suggestions would help b/c i know yall know alot more about this stuff than i do. im planing on running the 8" subs and component system through the ap1040 amp and the 4x6 and 5" rears run through the h/u power. then the infinity kappa 12 run off the ap1000 what do you guys think of this setup?

4x6= audiobahn AS46Q http://www.millionbuy.com/adbas46q.html or infinity 6412cf http://www.millionbuy.com/inf6412cf.html

5" rear speaks= phoenix gold r5.0 http://www.millionbuy.com/phgr50comp.html

5.25 component speaks= infinity ref. 5010cs http://www.millionbuy.com/inf5010cs.html or alpine spr13s http://www.millionbuy.com/apnspr13s.html not sure on these yet.

two small 8" subs in the rear facing forward for midbass= rockford fosgate rfz3408 http://www.millionbuy.com/rocrfz3408.html

subwoofer= infinity kappa perfect 12

amp for comps and 8"s= profile ap1040 http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1040.html

sub amp= profile ap1000 http://www.millionbuy.com/prfap1000.html

i just got the links from the same site to make it a little easier and these prices seem to be the lowest maybe if i get em all from the same place ill save money on shipping.

That is MILES from an SQ system.

Buy one set of components and a ton of deadener for installation. One sub and an amp to power both. Spend your money on installation. If you do anything like the above it won't be an SQ system, nor will it be loud. It will just sound like ***.